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[Logicalman]

The virus started in China (Wuhan), spread to Italy (possibly students who studied in China or possibly through Chinese backed infra-structure projects) and Iran (possibly through Chinese backed infra-structure projects).

Those two countries were hit very early with Covid-19. Chinese has a infra-structure projects scheme (it's a dubious scheme, where projects could easily fall back into the hands of the Chinese, if payments aren't made).

Two countries who signed up to the scheme are Italy (only European country to do so) and Iran.   

You are referencing the Belt & Road Initiative I guess.

Multiple countries have signed a memorandum of understanding with China though it is less well known how many actual projects are in more than discussion phase at this time, and I have seen none in process involving European Countries (outside of the Silk Road project through Russia that will ultimately encompass Poland & Germany)

The main website is here: https://www.beltroad-initiative.com/info/
A Brief overview can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_Initiative

[davew]

No way of knowing Holders, you stay safe also m8!

[mrmicawbers]

Interesting reading the traffic light relaxing of the lockdown drawn up by scientists.It was in most papers so sure many must have had a chance to look at it.This would obviously be subject to the relaxation going on in parts of Europe now. Back in the pub by June with restrictions would be great.Sorry I am unable to put the article up for those who haven't seen it.

[Woolly Mammoth]

They are introducing a Stop Go Man to replace Traffic Lights, as he will ensure nobody jumps them.

[davew]

They are introducing a Stop Go Man to replace Traffic Lights, as he will ensure nobody jumps them.

The lights will be stuck on red for a long time yet, a light at the end of the tunnel ... won´t go there!!

[Statto]

The mayor of Victim City Region has called for an investigation into whether a Champions League fixture should have taken place in the city in March amid concerns it could have led to a high number of local coronavirus cases.
Victim's match against Atletico Madrid at Anfield on 11 March was attended by 52,000 supporters, including 3,000 from the Spanish capital, where a partial lockdown was already in force.
The UK government has defended its decision to allow such events to go ahead before restrictions on mass gatherings were enforced 10 days later.
But Steve Rotheram told BBC Sport an independent inquiry was needed into a potential connection with a surge of cases in Victim since.
"If people have contracted coronavirus as a direct result of a sporting event that we believe shouldn't have taken place, well that is scandalous," he said.
"That's put not just those people in danger, but those frontline staff in the NHS and others in their own families that may have contracted it."
The latest figures show 246 people have died with coronavirus in Victim's NHS hospitals.
Meanwhile, Madrid is one of Europe's worst affected cities and Spain has the second highest number of confirmed infection cases in the world, behind the United States.
"We've seen an increase in the infection curve, and that's resulted in 1,200 people [in Victim] contracting Covid-19," said Rotheram.
"That needs to be investigated to find out whether some of those infections are due directly to the Atletico fans. There were coronavirus hot cities, and Madrid was one of those.
"They weren't allowed to congregate in their own country, but 3,000 of those fans came over to ours, and potentially may well have spread coronavirus.
"So it does need looking at, and it does need the government to take some responsibility for not locking down sooner."
The mayor of Madrid has already said the decision to allow the match to go ahead was "a mistake", as has Victim city council's director of public health Matthew Ashton.
'An interesting hypothesis'
On the day of the match at Anfield, England's deputy chief medical officer, Dr Jenny Harries, said the UK was "following the science and the evidence" in not banning sports events, as other countries had done by then.
"In general, those sorts of events and big gatherings are not seen to be something which is going to have a big effect," she said, despite the World Health Organization urging tougher action by governments that day.
A few days earlier, Prime Minister Boris Johnson had attended England v Wales in the Six Nations at Twickenham.
But while there is no confirmed link between the Victim match and any coronavirus cases, on 20 April the government's deputy chief scientific adviser, Angela McLean, said it warranted further investigation, describing it as an "interesting hypothesis."
"The government was saying it was a low risk at the time, but of course just a few days later they completely locked down the country; they banned sports and events and large gatherings," said Rotheram.
"And this could have happened sooner. I haven't got access to the government's scientific advisors, but they would have been asking those questions.
"That's why I think an inquiry needs to tease out just what the government was being advised to do at that time."
On Wednesday, Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden defended the timing of the UK government's ban on mass gatherings.
"Throughout all of this, we have based what we did on the scientific evidence we received both from Sage (Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies) and from the medical officers," he told MPs.
"There wasn't a case for singling out mass gatherings."
'I wish I could go back in time and not go'
'Poor decision' to stage Atletico game in March
A Victim fan who fears he may have unwittingly spread the disease at Anfield told the BBC the decision to stage the match was "negligent".
Having returned from a holiday a few days earlier, Ben Johnson felt slightly unwell on the day of the Atletico game and sought medical advice.
As he did not have a cough or fever, he was told to carry on as normal and attended the match.
In the days that followed he developed coronavirus symptoms. He was not tested but says he was on the verge of going to hospital, before recovering.
"It was obvious it shouldn't have gone ahead," he said.
"It just seems crazy. I wish I could go back in time and not go, and I wish there wasn't the opportunity to go. I just don't understand how it was allowed to go ahead."
Both European football's governing body Uefa and Victim have declined to comment.
Cheltenham 'should have been stopped'
The Victim v Atletico match was the last major football game to be played in England, with the season suspended two days later.
There have also been calls for an investigation into whether horse racing's Cheltenham Festival - staged in the second week of March - should have gone ahead. There are concerns it may also have led to a high number of local coronavirus cases, with 251,684 spectators in attendance across the four days.
Professor Gabriel Scally, former director of public health in the south west of England and visiting professor of public health at the University of Bristol, said there "seemed to be" a high number of Covid-19 cases in Gloucestershire.
"I think it's very tempting to link it to the Cheltenham Festival," he said. "Really, from a health point of view, [it] should have been stopped in advance."
Government data shows there have been 972 cases of the virus in Gloucestershire, and 147 people have died.
A number of high-profile attendees have reported symptoms - including West Bromwich Albion player Charlie Austin, comedian Lee Mack and Gold Cup-winning jockey Andrew Thornton.
Cheltenham organisers introduced special hygiene measures for the event, including extra hand-washing stations, and say they had followed clear guidance from the government and science experts.
Dr Sue Smith, senior racecourse medical officer for the festival, has said the hygiene standards were "of the highest level and all measures were taken in accordance with daily updates from Public Health England".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52399569

[MikeTheCubed]

I'm sure the victims would have accepted the decision without complaint had the game been postponed.

[Holders]

To the above, one could add Cruft's around the same time with 155,000 attendees from 55 countries.

[Statto]

To the above, one could add Cruft's around the same time with 155,000 attendees from 55 countries.

Less than Heathrow airport gets in one day...

[filham]

To the above, one could add Cruft's around the same time with 155,000 attendees from 55 countries.

Less than Heathrow airport gets in one day...

So Heathrow should have been restricted earlier.
Is it not becoming clear that we were late starting Lockdown and that it is now so important that we are not early in lifting it.

[F(f)CUK]

Disinfectant...disinfectant...disinfectant 

[Statto]

Disinfectant...disinfectant...disinfectant 

Trump yesterday - we're looking at creative solutions, for example light and certain chemicals kill the virus so we're exploring solutions based on that
Media today - Trump tells everyone to drink bleach

[MikeTheCubed]

Disinfectant...disinfectant...disinfectant 

Trump yesterday - we're looking at creative solutions, for example light and certain chemicals kill the virus so we're exploring solutions based on that
Media today - Trump tells everyone to drink bleach

Haha yes exactly.

But apparently he "shouldn't have said it" because his "ill-informed followers will harm themself". Perfectly ok for the media to misconstrue his words...

[Southcoastffc]

Trump is bonkers - clean round the bend.

[Southcoastffc]

 

Disinfectant...disinfectant...disinfectant 

Trump yesterday - we're looking at creative solutions, for example light and certain chemicals kill the virus so we're exploring solutions based on that
Media today - Trump tells everyone to drink bleach

Haha yes exactly.

But apparently he "shouldn't have said it" because his "ill-informed followers will harm themself". Perfectly ok for the media to misconstrue his words...

Have you actually viewed the press conference and heard exactly what he said? And now he claims that he was 'being sarcastic to reporters'.  064.gif

[MikeTheCubed]

Disinfectant...disinfectant...disinfectant 

Trump yesterday - we're looking at creative solutions, for example light and certain chemicals kill the virus so we're exploring solutions based on that
Media today - Trump tells everyone to drink bleach

Haha yes exactly.

But apparently he "shouldn't have said it" because his "ill-informed followers will harm themself". Perfectly ok for the media to misconstrue his words...

Have you actually viewed the press conference and heard exactly what he said?

Yes, what made you doubt this? The words I've heard are:

"And then I see the disinfectant, which knocks it out in a minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection? Or almost a cleaning?"

While this is not well articulated, I'm not sure how anyone could take "we should inject disinfectant / cleaning-fluid / bleach" from that.

[Southcoastffc]

Disinfectant...disinfectant...disinfectant 

Trump yesterday - we're looking at creative solutions, for example light and certain chemicals kill the virus so we're exploring solutions based on that
Media today - Trump tells everyone to drink bleach

Haha yes exactly.

But apparently he "shouldn't have said it" because his "ill-informed followers will harm themself". Perfectly ok for the media to misconstrue his words...

Have you actually viewed the press conference and heard exactly what he said?

Yes, what made you doubt this? The words I've heard are:

"And then I see the disinfectant, which knocks it out in a minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection? Or almost a cleaning?"

While this is not well articulated, I'm not sure how anyone could take "we should inject disinfectant / cleaning-fluid / bleach" from that.

errm, the words disinfectant, iniection?

[MikeTheCubed]

Disinfectant...disinfectant...disinfectant 

Trump yesterday - we're looking at creative solutions, for example light and certain chemicals kill the virus so we're exploring solutions based on that
Media today - Trump tells everyone to drink bleach

Haha yes exactly.

But apparently he "shouldn't have said it" because his "ill-informed followers will harm themself". Perfectly ok for the media to misconstrue his words...

Have you actually viewed the press conference and heard exactly what he said?

Yes, what made you doubt this? The words I've heard are:

"And then I see the disinfectant, which knocks it out in a minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection? Or almost a cleaning?"

While this is not well articulated, I'm not sure how anyone could take "we should inject disinfectant / cleaning-fluid / bleach" from that.

errm, the words disinfectant, iniection?

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For the sake of clarity, this is the video from which I've listened to it:
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A source which is critical towards Trump so safe to assume the video is not a doctored version in which to defend Trump.

Unless you're just cherry-picking words and ignoring context?

[Southcoastffc]

No, I saw the press conference, and the reaction of Dr Birx as Trump came out with his remarks. Are you also claiming that he was being sarcastic?

[MikeTheCubed]

No, I saw the press conference, and the reaction of Dr Birx as Trump came out with his remarks.

The premise of my posts were based on the sentences Trump said and the context behind them. Not on the reaction of Dr Birx or any other person present, as interesting as that may be.

Merely mentioning that you have seen the press conference doesn't shed any light on how you've reached your conclusion. What is it that Trump has said exactly which has convinced you he was referring to either general disinfectant, bleach or a household cleaning product? (apologies if I am falsely paraphrasing!)

Are you also claiming that he was being sarcastic?

Sounds like a straw-man argument. I've made no such claim and even removed that part of your quote so as to avoid conflation.