The Official Silly Season Summer Transfer Thread 2021/22

[The Rational Fan]

Says to me that Fulham have made an approach,  which is why he was left out, and if the deal can't be completed he will be reintroduced to the squad, I just hope we haven't overspent on Muniz and now miss out on Grimes

If your assumption is correct and we can't afford both players, prioritising Muniz will be a choice the Club has made - not an oversight. Whether this would be the better choice probably depends on which is more important to us: a striker or a midfielder.

We can afford the spend this as long as we are wiling to sell Rodak, Cairney and Mitrovic. I am just not sure this is a great idea, it has been proven under FFP that relegated PL teams are better off using their failures/deadwood to win the championship that using the failures to raise money for the club.

[S.F.Sorrow]

But this is where it begins. 

Prioritise Grimes and 'why the hell didn't we get a forward.' Get the forward and the outrage will be because people 'knew that we were short in midfield.'

Hopefully we are able to get both over and we'll move on to the next potential 'I told you so' moment.

Tough choice if we can only get one of them. Exciting but very risky (Muniz) vs sensible but slightly underwhelming (Grimes). Ok, maybe underwhelming is a bit harsh but certainly less exciting than a Brazilian striker from Flamengo!

[WestSussexWhite]

Says to me that Fulham have made an approach,  which is why he was left out, and if the deal can't be completed he will be reintroduced to the squad, I just hope we haven't overspent on Muniz and now miss out on Grimes

If your assumption is correct and we can't afford both players, prioritising Muniz will be a choice the Club has made - not an oversight. Whether this would be the better choice probably depends on which is more important to us: a striker or a midfielder.

We can afford the spend this as long as we are wiling to sell Rodak, Cairney and Mitrovic. I am just not sure this is a great idea, it has been proven under FFP that relegated PL teams are better off using their failures/deadwood to win the championship that using the failures to raise money for the club.

This transfer will have no impact on Mitro, Cairney or Rodak. Frank and Seri are almost certainly off. I've also been told Kebano, Odoi, MLM, Steve Sess, Fabri are all likely to be off when deals come in. We have anywhere between 4 and 7 million to spend within FFP. This deal with cost us about 1.2 mill a season, rising to potentially 1.6 mill a season. I understand the Grikes deal is on hold as he is now waiting to see if a Prem club comes in for him after hearing of potential interest. I'm 99.99% certain that Mitro and Cairney will not be going anywhere. The only way Rodak leaves is if Gazza is going to be number 1

[FulhamStu]

Says to me that Fulham have made an approach,  which is why he was left out, and if the deal can't be completed he will be reintroduced to the squad, I just hope we haven't overspent on Muniz and now miss out on Grimes

If your assumption is correct and we can't afford both players, prioritising Muniz will be a choice the Club has made - not an oversight. Whether this would be the better choice probably depends on which is more important to us: a striker or a midfielder.

We can afford the spend this as long as we are wiling to sell Rodak, Cairney and Mitrovic. I am just not sure this is a great idea, it has been proven under FFP that relegated PL teams are better off using their failures/deadwood to win the championship that using the failures to raise money for the club.

This transfer will have no impact on Mitro, Cairney or Rodak. Frank and Seri are almost certainly off. I've also been told Kebano, Odoi, MLM, Steve Sess, Fabri are all likely to be off when deals come in. We have anywhere between 4 and 7 million to spend within FFP. This deal with cost us about 1.2 mill a season, rising to potentially 1.6 mill a season. I understand the Grikes deal is on hold as he is now waiting to see if a Prem club comes in for him after hearing of potential interest. I'm 99.99% certain that Mitro and Cairney will not be going anywhere. The only way Rodak leaves is if Gazza is going to be number 1

Thanks for that WSW, what makes you think Anguissa and Seri are off, there seems to be a lot of coverage, training photos, videos and match action featuring esp Anguissa, but also Seri.  This suggests to me that the media people at least think they are staying, but what do I know!

[Deeping_white]

Says to me that Fulham have made an approach,  which is why he was left out, and if the deal can't be completed he will be reintroduced to the squad, I just hope we haven't overspent on Muniz and now miss out on Grimes

If your assumption is correct and we can't afford both players, prioritising Muniz will be a choice the Club has made - not an oversight. Whether this would be the better choice probably depends on which is more important to us: a striker or a midfielder.

We can afford the spend this as long as we are wiling to sell Rodak, Cairney and Mitrovic. I am just not sure this is a great idea, it has been proven under FFP that relegated PL teams are better off using their failures/deadwood to win the championship that using the failures to raise money for the club.

This transfer will have no impact on Mitro, Cairney or Rodak. Frank and Seri are almost certainly off. I've also been told Kebano, Odoi, MLM, Steve Sess, Fabri are all likely to be off when deals come in. We have anywhere between 4 and 7 million to spend within FFP. This deal with cost us about 1.2 mill a season, rising to potentially 1.6 mill a season. I understand the Grikes deal is on hold as he is now waiting to see if a Prem club comes in for him after hearing of potential interest. I'm 99.99% certain that Mitro and Cairney will not be going anywhere. The only way Rodak leaves is if Gazza is going to be number 1

Assuming that Frank & Seri are off and we've also let StefJo go, we must have at least 2 CM's lined up then?

[mrmicawbers]

Any idea how long Frank has left on his contract?

[The Rational Fan]

Any idea how long Frank has left on his contract?

Assuming we renew the option, Anguissa is with us until 30 June 2024 (otherwise June 2023). I think we should think about selling Cairney to Watford, Brentford or Leeds if we can get £10m plus. If we cannot Rodak, Robinson, Anguiisaa or Mitro has to go in order to balance books.

[WestSussexWhite]

Obviously they will only go if we get an offer for them. They are willing to let Seri go quite cheap because he's a high earner. Frank will go if we get an offer of 20-25 million. Muniz aside, Silva still wants 3 more signings, so assuming we get Grimes. Silva wants another top quality winger and another CM, but this is all dependent on players leaving: we will try and get rid of knockaert but his wages woll be an issue

[The Rational Fan]

Obviously they will only go if we get an offer for them. They are willing to let Seri go quite cheap because he's a high earner. Frank will go if we get an offer of 20-25 million. Muniz aside, Silva still wants 3 more signings, so assuming we get Grimes. Silva wants another top quality winger and another CM, but this is all dependent on players leaving: we will try and get rid of knockaert but his wages woll be an issue

How on earth could we fit in three more signings into FFP without selling Rodak, Robinson, Anguissa, Cairney and/or Mitro? Why get more signings if our best players have to leave to finance them. Getting rid of Knockaert and Seri really won't help our finances that much, we need profit of player sales to finance buys. If our strategy is to sell Knockaert and Seri for profits, then we could quickly find us "Doing a Leeds" and unable to raise money to balance the books.

[Deeping_white]

Obviously they will only go if we get an offer for them. They are willing to let Seri go quite cheap because he's a high earner. Frank will go if we get an offer of 20-25 million. Muniz aside, Silva still wants 3 more signings, so assuming we get Grimes. Silva wants another top quality winger and another CM, but this is all dependent on players leaving: we will try and get rid of knockaert but his wages woll be an issue

How on earth could we fit in three more signings into FFP without selling Rodak, Robinson, Anguissa, Cairney and/or Mitro? Why get more signings if our best players have to leave to finance them. Getting rid of Knockaert and Seri really won't help our finances that much, we need profit of player sales to finance buys. If our strategy is to sell Knockaert and Seri for profits, then we could quickly find us "Doing a Leeds" and unable to raise money to balance the books.

Well you're the rational fan who defends TK and transfers at all costs so why don't you tell us?

[WestSussexWhite]

Obviously they will only go if we get an offer for them. They are willing to let Seri go quite cheap because he's a high earner. Frank will go if we get an offer of 20-25 million. Muniz aside, Silva still wants 3 more signings, so assuming we get Grimes. Silva wants another top quality winger and another CM, but this is all dependent on players leaving: we will try and get rid of knockaert but his wages woll be an issue

How on earth could we fit in three more signings into FFP without selling Rodak, Robinson, Anguissa, Cairney and/or Mitro? Why get more signings if our best players have to leave to finance them. Getting rid of Knockaert and Seri really won't help our finances that much, we need profit of player sales to finance buys. If our strategy is to sell Knockaert and Seri for profits, then we could quickly find us "Doing a Leeds" and unable to raise money to balance the books.

Hence why I said it is all dependent on players going, including Anguissa who has the highest value in the club. If we received a bid of over 10 million for Robinson we will let him go, but we are not actively touting him out. The 3 players are dependent on probably 5 players going out, 1 of which must be Anguissa. If we don't get Grimes I would expect us to get another midfielder in before the season starts, that's without departures.

[General]

Obviously they will only go if we get an offer for them. They are willing to let Seri go quite cheap because he's a high earner. Frank will go if we get an offer of 20-25 million. Muniz aside, Silva still wants 3 more signings, so assuming we get Grimes. Silva wants another top quality winger and another CM, but this is all dependent on players leaving: we will try and get rid of knockaert but his wages woll be an issue

How on earth could we fit in three more signings into FFP without selling Rodak, Robinson, Anguissa, Cairney and/or Mitro? Why get more signings if our best players have to leave to finance them. Getting rid of Knockaert and Seri really won't help our finances that much, we need profit of player sales to finance buys. If our strategy is to sell Knockaert and Seri for profits, then we could quickly find us "Doing a Leeds" and unable to raise money to balance the books.

Well you're the rational fan who defends TK and transfers at all costs so why don't you tell us?

Lol.

[General]

Re incomings and outgoings, I'd have thought it was quite straightforward.

Silva has not been at the club long and has identified targets whilst being unemployed and clearly knew players he wanted to work with and the club identified areas of weakness. The club signed two players who are stronger than what we have, one on a free and one on a deal structured in a way which means we don't pay that much up front for him to spread out payments.

It sounds as if the club is also trying to structure the other deals similarly.

Marco says he wants competition, which we were lacking up front and could, possibly, be why we're after and looking likely to get Muniz. I think if muniz comes he and mitro can play together.

As we get to the end of the window and silva has had more time with our squad I imagine decisions on players to sell will be made. And I don't think it will be anything near as drastic as what some are suggesting where we have to and are going to sell mitro, anguissa and cairney. They're assets and likely to help us guarantee or get close to the promotion race. It would be counterproductive to sell them when they help us achieve our aims as it'd likely put us in a stickier financial position the longer it takes for us not to get promoted.

I imagine we're more likely to see one of Cav, Knockaert and then Ream or mawson or of that ilk.

We've already said goodbye to Mcdonald, johansen and bettinelli from our wage bill which will also help. I don't imagine Muniz as a 20 year old from Brazil will be on anything significant for us.

[WestSussexWhite]

Re incomings and outgoings, I'd have thought it was quite straightforward.

Silva has not been at the club long and has identified targets whilst being unemployed and clearly knew players he wanted to work with and the club identified areas of weakness. The club signed two players who are stronger than what we have, one on a free and one on a deal structured in a way which means we don't pay that much up front for him to spread out payments.

It sounds as if the club is also trying to structure the other deals similarly.

Marco says he wants competition, which we were lacking up front and could, possibly, be why we're after and looking likely to get Muniz. I think if muniz comes he and mitro can play together.

As we get to the end of the window and silva has had more time with our squad I imagine decisions on players to sell will be made. And I don't think it will be anything near as drastic as what some are suggesting where we have to and are going to sell mitro, anguissa and cairney. They're assets and likely to help us guarantee or get close to the promotion race. It would be counterproductive to sell them when they help us achieve our aims as it'd likely put us in a stickier financial position the longer it takes for us not to get promoted.

I imagine we're more likely to see one of Cav, Knockaert and then Ream or mawson or of that ilk.

We've already said goodbye to Mcdonald, johansen and bettinelli from our wage bill which will also help. I don't imagine Muniz as a 20 year old from Brazil will be on anything significant for us.

This is exactly right, so far we have brought in the players that Silva thinks are essential. I do expect Anguissa to go because I think someone will make a decent bid for him. Once he goes, that will fund extra players that Silva wants that are not as essential right now. I expect us to be active right up until the deadline. Replacing outgoings with incomings

[General]

Re incomings and outgoings, I'd have thought it was quite straightforward.

Silva has not been at the club long and has identified targets whilst being unemployed and clearly knew players he wanted to work with and the club identified areas of weakness. The club signed two players who are stronger than what we have, one on a free and one on a deal structured in a way which means we don't pay that much up front for him to spread out payments.

It sounds as if the club is also trying to structure the other deals similarly.

Marco says he wants competition, which we were lacking up front and could, possibly, be why we're after and looking likely to get Muniz. I think if muniz comes he and mitro can play together.

As we get to the end of the window and silva has had more time with our squad I imagine decisions on players to sell will be made. And I don't think it will be anything near as drastic as what some are suggesting where we have to and are going to sell mitro, anguissa and cairney. They're assets and likely to help us guarantee or get close to the promotion race. It would be counterproductive to sell them when they help us achieve our aims as it'd likely put us in a stickier financial position the longer it takes for us not to get promoted.

I imagine we're more likely to see one of Cav, Knockaert and then Ream or mawson or of that ilk.

We've already said goodbye to Mcdonald, johansen and bettinelli from our wage bill which will also help. I don't imagine Muniz as a 20 year old from Brazil will be on anything significant for us.

This is exactly right, so far we have brought in the players that Silva thinks are essential. I do expect Anguissa to go because I think someone will make a decent bid for him. Once he goes, that will fund extra players that Silva wants that are not as essential right now. I expect us to be active right up until the deadline. Replacing outgoings with incomings

I don't think we'll sell Anguissa. The club has shown too often that they value him and don't want to sell outright. Both he and seri have had clubs interested in permanent deals but simply can't afford our evaluation of both players based on presumably what we've paid for them and how that's structured. I also think after both players have been in two relegation squads with one hardly playing, offloading them now to a team who can pay the necessary amount simply is unlikely to happen. Let's be honest both have failed to impress even us as fulham fans as of yet. Even Anguissa ended last season (arguably his best for us) in and out of first team contention.

On top of those reasons, I also think silva simply is a better manager and I expect him to be better at man management and the more subtle but arguably most important side of management in speaking to and developing the individuals (I see seri in particular like knockaert as emotional players, who if they're loved give everything but if out of favour or disenchanted fall flat quickly) and I think silva wants to manage the best players, can manage them better and subsequently will want to keep them.

[Andy S]

Every club has to work to a budget and every player wants the best deal he can get as well as first team football. If it is meant to be it will be

[Marcel_Gecov]

I know its been said on here before, but with FFP... if you signed someone for 6m on 3 year contract... does it go down as 6, 0, 0 or 2, 2, 2 or does it all depend on all how you split the payments

[Twig]

I know its been said on here before, but with FFP... if you signed someone for 6m on 3 year contract... does it go down as 6, 0, 0 or 2, 2, 2 or does it all depend on all how you split the payments

Basically it's amortised over the life of the contract. And if that includes an option to extend the contract by an extra year then that can be a way of tweaking the amortisation spread.

[Twig]

But do't forget that players can be on very high wages so towards the back end of a contract it may be worthwhile taking an accounting bit to get the wage off the books.  A good example could be Seri who is in the last year of his contract so there is still that year of amortisation left but letting him go gets his high wage off our books.

At least, that's my simplistic understanding of it all.

[WestSussexWhite]

I know its been said on here before, but with FFP... if you signed someone for 6m on 3 year contract... does it go down as 6, 0, 0 or 2, 2, 2 or does it all depend on all how you split the payments

For FFP purposes it will go down 2,2 and 2. That's the reason why most very expensive transfers (Wilson) will be done over 5 years so as to balance the payments from an FFP perspective.