I just read somewhere he refused to play, not sure if it's true but I wouldn't put it past him, apparently he was at the game
The sooner he goes the better as far as I'm concerned
Toxic
He was sitting in the JH stand.
Quote from: cookieg on August 08, 2021, 05:10:47 PM
He was sitting in the JH stand.
What is the JH stand?
The Johnny Haynes stand.
As I stated elsewhere during the match - he doesn't care for the club at all. Sell his disloyal and journeyman rear end off to the highest bidder. China sounds about his speed.
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on August 08, 2021, 05:17:45 PM
As I stated elsewhere during the match - he doesn't care for the club at all. Sell his disloyal and journeyman rear end off to the highest bidder. China sounds about his speed.
Exactly send him to China
Blokes a wrongun, always has been always will be
Would seem odd that he chose to watch the game on the stands if refusing to play.
And he can take that knob Seri with him.
Why would he be sitting in the stands if he refused to play?
I heard he tweaked an ankle in training.
Injured? I mean, if I trying not to be at a club I wouldn't watch the clubs game.
So many underlying agendas on these forums sometimes. Now we get a thread about Anguissa refusing to play.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 08, 2021, 05:23:07 PM
Why would he be sitting in the stands if he refused to play?
Yes I agree, anyone ITK have anymore info regarding this?
Where has he said he wants to go?
I sense unsubstantiated bullsh1t.
He walked on the pitch to the dug out just before the second half started - FFC track-suited up...
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 08, 2021, 05:23:07 PM
Why would he be sitting in the stands if he refused to play?
Apparently he was heading to Rome then he did a U turn and went sideways then ended up back at the Cottage !
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 08, 2021, 05:27:02 PM
I sense unsubstantiated bullsh1t.
+1
Clearly he's leaving though
Quote from: ashteadFFC on August 08, 2021, 05:27:25 PM
He walked on the pitch to the dug out just before the second half started - FFC track-suited up...
Was just about to post the same. Looking at the body language, I think big Heck is probably on his way.
Agree with that, Statto. I just hope its for a fee rather than loan again.
It'd be stupid to plan to sell Anguissa, and not give Onamah any real preseason minutes. Also, selling Stefjo while Grimes is still playing in a game for Swansea (where the player risk injury that would kill any deal) and only have a returning from injury Reed and returning from injury Cairney on your roster.
If we sell Anguissa before Grimes is wearing the shirt...
Quote from: blingo on August 08, 2021, 05:21:14 PM
And he can take that knob Seri with him.
Lol. Agreed
Quote from: blingo on August 08, 2021, 05:21:14 PM
And he can take that knob Seri with him.
Whys he a knob? Because he cost a lot? Not his fault - by all accounts he has trained well and when Carvalho got taken off Seri was congratulating him and speaking to him
At the end of the day ;
Onomah filled the role today and was far more influential either way
So to me if he goes no great loss, an extremely overrated player in my eyes
Neither Seri nor Zambo are responsible for their transfer fees, for that blame TK. They are responsible for their performances on the pitch, I'd suggest Zambo hasn't completely disappointed but sadly Seri probably has. As to whether they are motivated to play or not, well none of us has a freaking clue!
Quote from: Twig on August 08, 2021, 06:42:46 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 08, 2021, 05:13:15 PM
Quote from: cookieg on August 08, 2021, 05:10:47 PM
He was sitting in the JH stand.
What is the JH stand?
Is this a serious question?
Of course. I looked it up after. I've never been to London (or out of the USA for that matter).
Quote from: perry geyton on August 08, 2021, 06:05:38 PM
At the end of the day ;
Onomah filled the role today and was far more influential either way
So to me if he goes no great loss, an extremely overrated player in my eyes
Sorry Perry, I completely disagree, Josh is a trier but only Championship standard.
Before the start of the second half I saw Anguissa, Cairney and Reed walk over to the seats behind the bench on the Riverside. Anguissa's body language was in my opinion very depressed. Cairney's looked upbeat but he was limping. Reed looked happy and was walking well. Is Anguissa a problem that can only be resolved when he leaves?
Quote from: Ronnief on August 08, 2021, 07:20:49 PM
Before the start of the second half I saw Anguissa, Cairney and Reed walk over to the seats behind the bench on the Riverside. Anguissa's body language was in my opinion very depressed. Cairney's looked upbeat but he was limping. Reed looked happy and was walking well. Is Anguissa a problem that can only be resolved when he leaves?
Me too. Agree that Anguissa looked fed up and Cairney who was munching on a banana had a very obvious limp on the left leg.
Quote from: Whitestone on August 08, 2021, 07:24:26 PM
Quote from: Ronnief on August 08, 2021, 07:20:49 PM
Before the start of the second half I saw Anguissa, Cairney and Reed walk over to the seats behind the bench on the Riverside. Anguissa's body language was in my opinion very depressed. Cairney's looked upbeat but he was limping. Reed looked happy and was walking well. Is Anguissa a problem that can only be resolved when he leaves?
Me too. Agree that Anguissa looked fed up and Cairney who was munching on a banana had a very obvious limp on the left leg.
Anguissa always looks fed up, nothing new there, he probably pulls that face when he's getting laid
that's horrible news about Cairney though
I'm sure Reeds close enough to fitness
Quote from: SP on August 08, 2021, 07:14:08 PM
Quote from: perry geyton on August 08, 2021, 06:05:38 PM
At the end of the day ;
Onomah filled the role today and was far more influential either way
So to me if he goes no great loss, an extremely overrated player in my eyes
Sorry Perry, I completely disagree, Josh is a trier but only Championship standard.
I thought Josh was our man of the match today
Quote from: Ronnief on August 08, 2021, 07:20:49 PM
Before the start of the second half I saw Anguissa, Cairney and Reed walk over to the seats behind the bench on the Riverside. Anguissa's body language was in my opinion very depressed. Cairney's looked upbeat but he was limping. Reed looked happy and was walking well. Is Anguissa a problem that can only be resolved when he leaves?
Aha. The old know-nothing amateur psychologist's trusty standby 'body language' makes an early appearence.
As a know-nothing amateur psychologist myself here's my diagnosis:
Anguissa: depressed at being injured and missing a game he was looking forward to. Excellent attitude.
Cairney: upbeat about being injured. Worrying.
Reed: walking well and happy about not playing. Lousy attitude. Obviously seeking a transfer.
I'll leave Cairney's banana to Freud,
Pretty sure Anguissa has what the ladies call a "resting bitch face". Always looks miserable and like he can't be arsed but it means absolutely nothing IMO. Shame that so many draw conclusions from it in the manner cmg parodies above.
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Quote from: blingo on August 08, 2021, 05:21:14 PM
And he can take that knob Seri with him.
Whys he a knob? Because he cost a lot? Not his fault - by all accounts he has trained well and when Carvalho got taken off Seri was congratulating him and speaking to him
Because both he, and his agent have both said that they don't want to be at FFC. They have made it very very clear and in my view that makes him a TOTAL KNOB.
Was Anguissa left out today because he is very close to being transferred. Perhaps we need the money before we can buy any prospective purchases in the pipeline.
Seems a bit harsh given he was apparently injured. Didn't he feature heavily in preseason? I'll give him the benefit of the doubt anyway.
Either way we can't be starting Francois in that position. The lad just isn't ready yet and that was clear today. His poor marking was the biggest factor in their goal. Either we need Anguissa fit and starting or get Grimes in ASAP.
Quote from: sarnian on August 08, 2021, 07:56:17 PM
Was Anguissa left out today because he is very close to being transferred. Perhaps we need the money before we can buy any prospective purchases in the pipeline.
That's what I'm hoping, also don't wanna carry his wage bill
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Quote from: Ronnief on August 08, 2021, 07:20:49 PM
Before the start of the second half I saw Anguissa, Cairney and Reed walk over to the seats behind the bench on the Riverside. Anguissa's body language was in my opinion very depressed. Cairney's looked upbeat but he was limping. Reed looked happy and was walking well. Is Anguissa a problem that can only be resolved when he leaves?
Aha. The old know-nothing amateur psychologist's trusty standby 'body language' makes an early appearence.
As a know-nothing amateur psychologist myself here's my diagnosis:
Anguissa: depressed at being injured and missing a game he was looking forward to. Excellent attitude.
Cairney: upbeat about being injured. Worrying.
Reed: walking well and happy about not playing. Lousy attitude. Obviously seeking a transfer.
I'll leave Cairney's banana to Freud,
I beg to differ
Anguissa - always looks miserable and thinks he's better then the championship for some unknown reason
Cairney - over it
Reed - injured but a good uptempo kid who can't wait to get back out there
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 08, 2021, 05:49:08 PM
It'd be stupid to plan to sell Anguissa, and not give Onamah any real preseason minutes. Also, selling Stefjo while Grimes is still playing in a game for Swansea (where the player risk injury that would kill any deal) and only have a returning from injury Reed and returning from injury Cairney on your roster.
If we sell Anguissa before Grimes is wearing the shirt...
I blame our hiring and recruitment people.... again. TONY Khan!!! So frustrating.
I struggle to recall a match where Anguissa really changed the outcome one way or another.
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Although this is pure speculation, I had assumed he was excluded in order to avoid messing up important sale negotiations by getting injured.
I would guess both club and player are aligned in wanting to move him on so I would be surprised if there were any conflict between them
Quote from: General on August 08, 2021, 08:09:21 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 08, 2021, 05:49:08 PM
It'd be stupid to plan to sell Anguissa, and not give Onamah any real preseason minutes. Also, selling Stefjo while Grimes is still playing in a game for Swansea (where the player risk injury that would kill any deal) and only have a returning from injury Reed and returning from injury Cairney on your roster.
If we sell Anguissa before Grimes is wearing the shirt...
I blame our hiring and recruitment people.... again. TONY Khan!!! So frustrating.
Do you blame Tony Khan for the terentcial
Quote from: General on August 08, 2021, 08:09:21 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 08, 2021, 05:49:08 PM
It'd be stupid to plan to sell Anguissa, and not give Onamah any real preseason minutes. Also, selling Stefjo while Grimes is still playing in a game for Swansea (where the player risk injury that would kill any deal) and only have a returning from injury Reed and returning from injury Cairney on your roster.
If we sell Anguissa before Grimes is wearing the shirt...
I blame our hiring and recruitment people.... again. TONY Khan!!! So frustrating.
Do you blame Tony Khan for the torrential rain in the second half also ?
Have you got a link to where you read this about Anguissa?
Quote from: perry geyton on August 08, 2021, 05:08:14 PM
I just read somewhere he refused to play, not sure if it's true but I wouldn't put it past him, apparently he was at the game
The sooner he goes the better as far as I'm concerned
Toxic
If you "read somewhere", then surely you can state where you read it? Especially as you stated that you "just" read it!
Sounds like you just want to dig the player out otherwise?
Quote from: perry geyton on August 08, 2021, 07:31:18 PM
Quote from: SP on August 08, 2021, 07:14:08 PM
Quote from: perry geyton on August 08, 2021, 06:05:38 PM
At the end of the day ;
Onomah filled the role today and was far more influential either way
So to me if he goes no great loss, an extremely overrated player in my eyes
Sorry Perry, I completely disagree, Josh is a trier but only Championship standard.
I thought Josh was our man of the match today
Ah there we have it!
Your agenda for feeling that Onomah is better then Zambo!
Well imo Onomah gave away far too many free kicks in dangerous areas and didn't do much else!
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 08, 2021, 09:19:22 PM
Have you got a link to where you read this about Anguissa?
It'd be hard to fish out a link to a made up bit of news.
I have full faith that Perry can produce the goods.
Surely nobody on here would simply invent a lie like that, would they?
Fake news made even worse by calling the player 'toxic'.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 08, 2021, 09:57:30 PM
I have full faith that Perry can produce the goods.
Surely nobody on here would simply invent a lie like that, would they?
Surely not. Certainly no man of integrity.
Their saying it all over the place, that is what people suspect is going on judging by his track record, if you lot think Anguissa's happy to stay and play in the championship you are delusional fellas's, sorry if it offends you so heavily that a player feels he's too big for Fulham's boots, plus his wages are ridiculously high, not worth it for such an ineffective player, best off to just unload
But it's ok you can all knit pick me all day long, I'm sure we'll find out sooner then later,
I certainly have no agenda and I thought Onomah played well today and plays for the badge
Harry Wilson did more today in a Fulham shirt then Anguissa's done in 3 years
Perry we all know you hate Anguissa as you've created probably half a dozen threads to slag him off in recent times, but if you're going to start rumours then at least post links to your "evidence" rather than saying it's being said all over the place. As far as I can see there hasn't been a single news outlet running a story on it, which would be quite big news considering he's our most expensive asset
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 09, 2021, 01:31:17 AM
Perry we all know you hate Anguissa as you've created probably half a dozen threads to slag him off in recent times, but if you're going to start rumours then at least post links to your "evidence" rather than saying it's being said all over the place. As far as I can see there hasn't been a single news outlet running a story on it, which would be quite big news considering he's our most expensive asset
Since when have MSM & news outlets ever given out correct information on any subject Deeping White ? 🤣
I mainly go by intuition and common sense these days
Quote from: perry geyton on August 09, 2021, 12:49:15 AM
Harry Wilson did more today in a Fulham shirt then Anguissa's done in 3 years
Indeed. Anguissa hardly set the Premier League alight I think the Championship or struggling Premier League side is actually his level. How many matches has he done some nice turns but then completely lost possession and put the defense under pressure. I think the best result would be to get a decent fee for him if he truly wants to go. If he stays then of course he'd be an asset but not sure he'd be the difference maker even in the Championship.
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Quote from: Statto on August 08, 2021, 07:43:47 PM
Pretty sure Anguissa has what the ladies call a "resting bitch face". Always looks miserable and like he can't be arsed but it means absolutely nothing IMO. Shame that so many draw conclusions from it in the manner cmg parodies above.
Could be. I seriously have this problem. I'll be sitting around the house and when I am feeling most at rest and peaceful my wife or daughter will often ask what they have done to upset me. 100 times out of 100 it always catches me off guard.
Quote from: Whitestone on August 08, 2021, 10:45:13 PM
Fake news made even worse by calling the player 'toxic'.
A "Toxic Player" is one that causes others to lose motivation around them. If Anguissa is toxic who are the players around him lacking motivation. In my opinion calling a player "toxic" means he is motivated, but others are blaming him for the lack of motivation of players around him. I'm don't see any evidence that Anguissa has caused others to lose motivation, and if players have lost their motivation maybe they themselves are the problem.
He's a highly paid player who has offered very little return since his arrival.
No goals, maybe one or 2 assists, the odd tackle and a few easy on the eye dribbles that achieve nothing much.
May be a decent bloke but sooner he's gone the better.
Anguissa would have made a difference yesterday. He should have been selected irrespective of what may or may not be going on in the background unless he was carrying an injury.
If Anguissa played yesterday, we win the game.
Onomah and Francois weren't great (also not terrible) but definitely the weak links for me.
If we had Anguissa and Reed (or Grimes and Reed), we win the game.
Expecting someone to travel to places like Barnsley for a paltry 3 million pounds a year, is a breach of many modern footballers' human rights surely
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Quote from: Deeping_white on August 09, 2021, 01:31:17 AM
Perry we all know you hate Anguissa as you've created probably half a dozen threads to slag him off in recent times, but if you're going to start rumours then at least post links to your "evidence" rather than saying it's being said all over the place. As far as I can see there hasn't been a single news outlet running a story on it, which would be quite big news considering he's our most expensive asset
Since when have MSM & news outlets ever given out correct information on any subject Deeping White ? 🤣
I mainly go by intuition and common sense these days
But you still haven't offered a single link to this rumour and I certainly haven't seen it anywhere, although according to you "their (sic) saying it all over the place".
Now you've changed your tune and are going on common sense and intuition. Is that an admission that you haven't seen this reported anywhere after all?
Having said that, I don't think Zambo has been a game changer and tend to disagree with the minority on here who assert that we would have won yesterday if he had played.
Whilst I'm a big Anguissa fan, given the numbers being touted for him, I do think we'd be better off selling him and buying (for instance) Will Hughes and Grimes instead.
Quote from: Whitestone on August 09, 2021, 08:34:55 AM
Anguissa would have made a difference yesterday. He should have been selected irrespective of what may or may not be going on in the background unless he was carrying an injury.
Agree
So many supporters struggle to understand that football players are basically a product that gets bought and sold, sometimes a player has an involvement and sometimes they don't, dependent on their age, their contract length, their value,
Relegated clubs invariably have to sell a star player to raise funds to give to their respective manager,
The likes of Danjuma, Brooks, Billing, Pereira, Berg, Ramsdale and Anguissa will always be painted by their club as looking to get away when in reality the club needs to sell players to raise revenue,
Have a look at Tottenham, apparently Kane has been troublesome when in reality Spurs fancy the £150 million for a 28 year old with dodgy ankles so that they can rebuild,
Brentford have been excellent at it and their supporters very understanding about it,
So let's cut Anguissa a bit of slack shall we
COYSW
Quote from: General on August 08, 2021, 08:09:21 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 08, 2021, 05:49:08 PM
It'd be stupid to plan to sell Anguissa, and not give Onamah any real preseason minutes. Also, selling Stefjo while Grimes is still playing in a game for Swansea (where the player risk injury that would kill any deal) and only have a returning from injury Reed and returning from injury Cairney on your roster.
If we sell Anguissa before Grimes is wearing the shirt...
I blame our hiring and recruitment people.... again. TONY Khan!!! So frustrating.
It's a shame because things looked so promising this time. Wilson and Gazzaniga in early and strong rumours about Muniz and Grimes. Instead we start the season with gaping holes in our squad, as always. Still, we can't really blame TK for Muniz testing positive for covid and Swansea holding on to Grimes until they've got another player back from suspension. If Muniz+Grimes are our first choices I can totally understand why we haven't signed anyone else but if the Muniz/Grimes deals fall through TK and the recuitment team will have a lot to answer for.
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on August 09, 2021, 12:16:49 PM
Quote from: General on August 08, 2021, 08:09:21 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 08, 2021, 05:49:08 PM
It'd be stupid to plan to sell Anguissa, and not give Onamah any real preseason minutes. Also, selling Stefjo while Grimes is still playing in a game for Swansea (where the player risk injury that would kill any deal) and only have a returning from injury Reed and returning from injury Cairney on your roster.
If we sell Anguissa before Grimes is wearing the shirt...
I blame our hiring and recruitment people.... again. TONY Khan!!! So frustrating.
It's a shame because things looked so promising this time. Wilson and Gazzaniga in early and strong rumours about Muniz and Grimes. Instead we start the season with gaping holes in our squad, as always. Still, we can't really blame TK for Muniz testing positive for covid and Swansea holding on to Grimes until they've got another player back from suspension. If Muniz+Grimes are our first choices I can totally understand why we haven't signed anyone else but if the Muniz/Grimes deals fall through TK and the recuitment team will have a lot to answer for.
Sorry where are the gaping holes exactly? We started with a second string CM trio yesterday because the first choice three are all injured, something that's not really the recruitment teams fault is it? Other than that we're not short in any position other than striker which we know why we haven't already signed Muniz yet
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Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on August 09, 2021, 12:16:49 PM
Quote from: General on August 08, 2021, 08:09:21 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 08, 2021, 05:49:08 PM
It'd be stupid to plan to sell Anguissa, and not give Onamah any real preseason minutes. Also, selling Stefjo while Grimes is still playing in a game for Swansea (where the player risk injury that would kill any deal) and only have a returning from injury Reed and returning from injury Cairney on your roster.
If we sell Anguissa before Grimes is wearing the shirt...
I blame our hiring and recruitment people.... again. TONY Khan!!! So frustrating.
It's a shame because things looked so promising this time. Wilson and Gazzaniga in early and strong rumours about Muniz and Grimes. Instead we start the season with gaping holes in our squad, as always. Still, we can't really blame TK for Muniz testing positive for covid and Swansea holding on to Grimes until they've got another player back from suspension. If Muniz+Grimes are our first choices I can totally understand why we haven't signed anyone else but if the Muniz/Grimes deals fall through TK and the recuitment team will have a lot to answer for.
Sorry where are the gaping holes exactly? We started with a second string CM trio yesterday because the first choice three are all injured, something that's not really the recruitment teams fault is it? Other than that we're not short in any position other than striker which we know why we haven't already signed Muniz yet
The 2 (Reed and Cairney - not sure who the 3rd is) were known to be injured some time ago and will both injured again before the season finishes so we can't really use that as an excuse. Onomah, Francois and Carvalho is, with all due respect, a far cry from McDonald, Johansen and Cairney and arguably not even a top 6 midfield. I said at the outset of this window that CM was the priority area, and whilst I was temporarily appeased by the Grimes rumours, the failure to get him or anyone in thus far has cost us 2 points and counting. So I have to agree with the complaints.
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Quote from: Deeping_white on August 09, 2021, 12:30:45 PM
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Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 08, 2021, 05:49:08 PM
It'd be stupid to plan to sell Anguissa, and not give Onamah any real preseason minutes. Also, selling Stefjo while Grimes is still playing in a game for Swansea (where the player risk injury that would kill any deal) and only have a returning from injury Reed and returning from injury Cairney on your roster.
If we sell Anguissa before Grimes is wearing the shirt...
I blame our hiring and recruitment people.... again. TONY Khan!!! So frustrating.
It's a shame because things looked so promising this time. Wilson and Gazzaniga in early and strong rumours about Muniz and Grimes. Instead we start the season with gaping holes in our squad, as always. Still, we can't really blame TK for Muniz testing positive for covid and Swansea holding on to Grimes until they've got another player back from suspension. If Muniz+Grimes are our first choices I can totally understand why we haven't signed anyone else but if the Muniz/Grimes deals fall through TK and the recuitment team will have a lot to answer for.
Sorry where are the gaping holes exactly? We started with a second string CM trio yesterday because the first choice three are all injured, something that's not really the recruitment teams fault is it? Other than that we're not short in any position other than striker which we know why we haven't already signed Muniz yet
The 2 (Reed and Cairney - not sure who the 3rd is) were known to be injured some time ago and will both injured again before the season finishes so we can't really use that as an excuse. Onomah, Francois and Carvalho is, with all due respect, a far cry from McDonald, Johansen and Cairney and arguably not even a top 6 midfield. I said at the outset of this window that CM was the priority area, and whilst I was temporarily appeased by the Grimes rumours, the failure to get him or anyone in thus far has cost us 2 points and counting. So I have to agree with the complaints.
Fully fit our starting three would be Reed/TC/Anguissa. We're hardly going to sign a CM when we have 7 currently in our first team without one leaving though are we? For us to bring in Grimes for example, we have to sell Anguissa first because then we have 8 CM's that we've got contracted to the club, and if he doesn't leave for whatever reason then we're stuffed from an FFP perspective because of the sheer number of players we'd be paying to not play, plus the fact we've spent even more money in that position with no incoming cash. So short of selling Anguissa for less than what he's worth for a quick sale, we need him to go before we move onto buying in additional replacements
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Quote from: General on August 08, 2021, 08:09:21 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 08, 2021, 05:49:08 PM
It'd be stupid to plan to sell Anguissa, and not give Onamah any real preseason minutes. Also, selling Stefjo while Grimes is still playing in a game for Swansea (where the player risk injury that would kill any deal) and only have a returning from injury Reed and returning from injury Cairney on your roster.
If we sell Anguissa before Grimes is wearing the shirt...
I blame our hiring and recruitment people.... again. TONY Khan!!! So frustrating.
It's a shame because things looked so promising this time. Wilson and Gazzaniga in early and strong rumours about Muniz and Grimes. Instead we start the season with gaping holes in our squad, as always. Still, we can't really blame TK for Muniz testing positive for covid and Swansea holding on to Grimes until they've got another player back from suspension. If Muniz+Grimes are our first choices I can totally understand why we haven't signed anyone else but if the Muniz/Grimes deals fall through TK and the recuitment team will have a lot to answer for.
Sorry where are the gaping holes exactly? We started with a second string CM trio yesterday because the first choice three are all injured, something that's not really the recruitment teams fault is it? Other than that we're not short in any position other than striker which we know why we haven't already signed Muniz yet
The 2 (Reed and Cairney - not sure who the 3rd is) were known to be injured some time ago and will both injured again before the season finishes so we can't really use that as an excuse. Onomah, Francois and Carvalho is, with all due respect, a far cry from McDonald, Johansen and Cairney and arguably not even a top 6 midfield. I said at the outset of this window that CM was the priority area, and whilst I was temporarily appeased by the Grimes rumours, the failure to get him or anyone in thus far has cost us 2 points and counting. So I have to agree with the complaints.
Fully fit our starting three would be Reed/TC/Anguissa. We're hardly going to sign a CM when we have 7 currently in our first team without one leaving though are we? For us to bring in Grimes for example, we have to sell Anguissa first because then we have 8 CM's that we've got contracted to the club, and if he doesn't leave for whatever reason then we're stuffed from an FFP perspective because of the sheer number of players we'd be paying to not play, plus the fact we've spent even more money in that position with no incoming cash. So short of selling Anguissa for less than what he's worth for a quick sale, we need him to go before we move onto buying in additional replacements
If we have 8 CM's isn't that a sign of an imbalanced squad? And that suggests historic recruitment errors to me. As to Anguissa, well he's worth what other clubs will pay, no more no less.
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Quote from: General on August 08, 2021, 08:09:21 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 08, 2021, 05:49:08 PM
It'd be stupid to plan to sell Anguissa, and not give Onamah any real preseason minutes. Also, selling Stefjo while Grimes is still playing in a game for Swansea (where the player risk injury that would kill any deal) and only have a returning from injury Reed and returning from injury Cairney on your roster.
If we sell Anguissa before Grimes is wearing the shirt...
I blame our hiring and recruitment people.... again. TONY Khan!!! So frustrating.
It's a shame because things looked so promising this time. Wilson and Gazzaniga in early and strong rumours about Muniz and Grimes. Instead we start the season with gaping holes in our squad, as always. Still, we can't really blame TK for Muniz testing positive for covid and Swansea holding on to Grimes until they've got another player back from suspension. If Muniz+Grimes are our first choices I can totally understand why we haven't signed anyone else but if the Muniz/Grimes deals fall through TK and the recuitment team will have a lot to answer for.
Sorry where are the gaping holes exactly? We started with a second string CM trio yesterday because the first choice three are all injured, something that's not really the recruitment teams fault is it? Other than that we're not short in any position other than striker which we know why we haven't already signed Muniz yet
The 2 (Reed and Cairney - not sure who the 3rd is) were known to be injured some time ago and will both injured again before the season finishes so we can't really use that as an excuse. Onomah, Francois and Carvalho is, with all due respect, a far cry from McDonald, Johansen and Cairney and arguably not even a top 6 midfield. I said at the outset of this window that CM was the priority area, and whilst I was temporarily appeased by the Grimes rumours, the failure to get him or anyone in thus far has cost us 2 points and counting. So I have to agree with the complaints.
Fully fit our starting three would be Reed/TC/Anguissa. We're hardly going to sign a CM when we have 7 currently in our first team without one leaving though are we? For us to bring in Grimes for example, we have to sell Anguissa first because then we have 8 CM's that we've got contracted to the club, and if he doesn't leave for whatever reason then we're stuffed from an FFP perspective because of the sheer number of players we'd be paying to not play, plus the fact we've spent even more money in that position with no incoming cash. So short of selling Anguissa for less than what he's worth for a quick sale, we need him to go before we move onto buying in additional replacements
If we have 8 CM's isn't that a sign of an imbalanced squad? And that suggests historic recruitment errors to me. As to Anguissa, well he's worth what other clubs will pay, no more no less.
Not for me. I think its a sign of a fantastic academy that has pushed up two stars into the first team squad.
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It'd be stupid to plan to sell Anguissa, and not give Onamah any real preseason minutes. Also, selling Stefjo while Grimes is still playing in a game for Swansea (where the player risk injury that would kill any deal) and only have a returning from injury Reed and returning from injury Cairney on your roster.
If we sell Anguissa before Grimes is wearing the shirt...
I blame our hiring and recruitment people.... again. TONY Khan!!! So frustrating.
It's a shame because things looked so promising this time. Wilson and Gazzaniga in early and strong rumours about Muniz and Grimes. Instead we start the season with gaping holes in our squad, as always. Still, we can't really blame TK for Muniz testing positive for covid and Swansea holding on to Grimes until they've got another player back from suspension. If Muniz+Grimes are our first choices I can totally understand why we haven't signed anyone else but if the Muniz/Grimes deals fall through TK and the recuitment team will have a lot to answer for.
Sorry where are the gaping holes exactly? We started with a second string CM trio yesterday because the first choice three are all injured, something that's not really the recruitment teams fault is it? Other than that we're not short in any position other than striker which we know why we haven't already signed Muniz yet
The 2 (Reed and Cairney - not sure who the 3rd is) were known to be injured some time ago and will both injured again before the season finishes so we can't really use that as an excuse. Onomah, Francois and Carvalho is, with all due respect, a far cry from McDonald, Johansen and Cairney and arguably not even a top 6 midfield. I said at the outset of this window that CM was the priority area, and whilst I was temporarily appeased by the Grimes rumours, the failure to get him or anyone in thus far has cost us 2 points and counting. So I have to agree with the complaints.
Fully fit our starting three would be Reed/TC/Anguissa. We're hardly going to sign a CM when we have 7 currently in our first team without one leaving though are we? For us to bring in Grimes for example, we have to sell Anguissa first because then we have 8 CM's that we've got contracted to the club, and if he doesn't leave for whatever reason then we're stuffed from an FFP perspective because of the sheer number of players we'd be paying to not play, plus the fact we've spent even more money in that position with no incoming cash. So short of selling Anguissa for less than what he's worth for a quick sale, we need him to go before we move onto buying in additional replacements
If we have 8 CM's isn't that a sign of an imbalanced squad? And that suggests historic recruitment errors to me. As to Anguissa, well he's worth what other clubs will pay, no more no less.
Not really as we play with 3 CM's in our formation, so you need at least 6 so you have 2 for each position, and then a utility 7th who is ideally a youth team player as 7th in the pecking order because inevitably we will see injuries over a 48+ game season and require depth options.
Young lads done well yesterday but you wouldn't that midfield 3 away from home although Josh O was excellent.
So the whole thing is a fabrication of your own doing, Perry?
How very disappointing.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 09, 2021, 04:38:37 PM
So the whole thing is a fabrication of your own doing, Perry?
How very disappointing.
You love having a go don't you Summerset
Arsenal, Roma, Everton, Villa all rumored to be interested, only a day ago
All of a sudden he's apparently injured and benched for the first game of the season ?
Put 2 & 2 together
It hardly takes a genius PLUS he thinks he's bigger then us
Like I said I'd be fine with him leaving, there's way better out there for a way better price
Now get back to your beans on toast
So you made it up?
Saying we have 7 CMs is totally misleading.
We have two CMs who will only just play 46 games between them (Cairney and Reed)
We have Onomah who's arguably not the standard we need if the target is top two
We have one CM who hasn't played a game for us in over two years (Seri)
We have another CM we can't use, as yesterday demonstrates (Anguissa)
We have two youth players who can play CM... just like we have several layers of youth cover in every position theoretically
So for all intents and purposes we have one quality CM (Reed + Cairney = 1) and one backup CM (Onomah)
We ain't getting promoted with that
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 09, 2021, 04:50:07 PM
So you made it up?
2 + 2 = ?
Get it into your head
Him and his agent think he's too good for the championship
It lowers his stock
As I said time will tell
If I'm wrong I'll own it
I wonder if this thread will last as long as the Cooper is our next manager thread.
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Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 09, 2021, 04:50:07 PM
So you made it up?
2 + 2 = ?
Get it into your head
Him and his agent think he's too good for the championship
It lowers his stock
As I said time will tell
If I'm wrong I'll own it
Don't move the goal posts. You stated that your saw somewhere that he had refused to play yesterday.
My question to you is, did you make that up?
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Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 09, 2021, 04:50:07 PM
So you made it up?
2 + 2 = ?
Get it into your head
Him and his agent think he's too good for the championship
It lowers his stock
As I said time will tell
If I'm wrong I'll own it
Don't move the goal posts. You stated that your saw somewhere that he had refused to play yesterday.
My question to you is, did you make that up?
No of coarse I didn't make it up, I read it in a few places not paper articles, plus 2 + 2 logic cos that's worth more to me these days
It was 5AM and I was on the couch slightly hung over waiting for the game to kick off, excuse me if I don't remember every exact detail I was scouring the internet wondering why he wasn't in the starting line up all of a sudden after starting the last pre season friendly
Like I said take him or leave him, I've never rated him as much as many do on here, infact I'd go as far to say he's been a hindrance to our team since he's been around,
Saying that I felt a season in the championship could of been exactly what he needs to become a better player, but so be it no great loss I'd take Matt Grimes a player that wants to be here all day long,
Like I said time will tell but it seems to me that you are in complete denial of the fact that he'll more then likely go.
Now it's a waiting game but I'm sure he's a gonner
I agree that he probably is off, thats not really up for debate - we mostly all think the same in that respect.
However, I (and others) have found zero links to support your claim though, which is....strange, but there we are.
I'll leave it there.
I was reading that he's apparently off to Aston Villa for 21.5 million, which would explain his absence from the squad
https://theathletic.com/news/anguissa-left-out-of-fulhams-draw-with-middlesbrough-due-to-desire-to-leave/yhUR6ywExKEP
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Quote from: MartyFFC on August 09, 2021, 08:33:33 PM
I was reading that he's apparently off to Aston Villa for 21.5 million, which would explain his absence from the squad
I think we rejected a bid for more than that abroad last week. Why would we sell to a team we could hopefully play next season?
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Quote from: Stephen Kelly on August 09, 2021, 09:13:42 PM
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Thankyou Stephen
Now hopefully it'll sink in
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 09, 2021, 08:01:11 PM
I agree that he probably is off, thats not really up for debate - we mostly all think the same in that respect.
However, I (and others) have found zero links to support your claim though, which is....strange, but there we are.
I'll leave it there.
https://theathletic.com/news/anguissa-left-out-of-fulhams-draw-with-middlesbrough-due-to-desire-to-leave/yhUR6ywExKEP
Well there you have it Sumerset, Twig, bestofBrede, simply fulham, cookieG etc etc
I'll be waiting for apologies from the lot of you
And don't be changing your tune like Sumersets already done
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Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 09, 2021, 08:01:11 PM
I agree that he probably is off, thats not really up for debate - we mostly all think the same in that respect.
However, I (and others) have found zero links to support your claim though, which is....strange, but there we are.
I'll leave it there.
https://theathletic.com/news/anguissa-left-out-of-fulhams-draw-with-middlesbrough-due-to-desire-to-leave/yhUR6ywExKEP
Well there you have it Sumerset, Twig, Bredes leg etc....
A nice apology from every single one of you would be nice...
Perhaps it would have been easier if you had posted the link yourself and a lot earlier.
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Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 09, 2021, 08:01:11 PM
I agree that he probably is off, thats not really up for debate - we mostly all think the same in that respect.
However, I (and others) have found zero links to support your claim though, which is....strange, but there we are.
I'll leave it there.
https://theathletic.com/news/anguissa-left-out-of-fulhams-draw-with-middlesbrough-due-to-desire-to-leave/yhUR6ywExKEP
Well there you have it Sumerset, Twig, Bredes leg etc....
A nice apology from every single one of you would be nice...
Perhaps it would have been easier if you had posted the link yourself and a lot earlier.
And there's the first excuse and not an apology in sight ?
2 + 2 =
Thats because you're not getting one for basically lying to everybody. That link has only just surfaced, so it's not the one that you read yesterday.
We all knew he would be going, people have even said that on this very thread. What still hasn't been written anywhere is that he refused to play, I don't know why you made that up, but you did.
Quote from: MartyFFC on August 09, 2021, 08:33:33 PM
I was reading that he's apparently off to Aston Villa for 21.5 million, which would explain his absence from the squad
I hope that figure is true. Would get his 9 million or so amortization off the books along with 3 million in salary. By my math the club also books a 12 million profit. Could be enough to get Grimes, Muniz, and hopefully another CM without having to gut more of the squad for FFP.
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Quote from: MartyFFC on August 09, 2021, 08:33:33 PM
I was reading that he's apparently off to Aston Villa for 21.5 million, which would explain his absence from the squad
I hope that figure is true. Would get his 9 million or so amortization off the books along with 3 million in salary. By my math the club also books a 12 million profit. Could be enough to get Grimes, Muniz, and hopefully another CM without having to gut more of the squad for FFP.
Grimes has no guaranteed ability to perform in the premiership and neither does muniz. Everyone seems so keen to get rid of zambo when his stats when he did play last season were actually very good. Going up our biggest issue was having an entire squad good enough to stay up, we need players already who can make the step up.
I just wish we had last seasons defence and the slavisa seasons forward line of babel and schurrle and then a proper decent CM pairing. Would still be up now I reckon.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 09, 2021, 11:37:27 PM
Thats because you're not getting one for basically lying to everybody. That link has only just surfaced, so it's not the one that you read yesterday.
We all knew he would be going, people have even said that on this very thread. What still hasn't been written anywhere is that he refused to play, I don't know why you made that up, but you did.
It says in that exact link that "he did not play due to his desire to leave the club"
What more do you want ? Anguisssa to come knock on your door and tell you personally ?
Own it Summerset that's all I ask
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Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 09, 2021, 11:37:27 PM
Thats because you're not getting one for basically lying to everybody. That link has only just surfaced, so it's not the one that you read yesterday.
We all knew he would be going, people have even said that on this very thread. What still hasn't been written anywhere is that he refused to play, I don't know why you made that up, but you did.
It says in that exact link that "he did not play due to his desire to leave the club"
What more do you want ? Anguisssa to come knock on your door and tell you personally ?
Own it Summerset that's all I ask
Perry, two things.
There's a difference between Anguissa refusing to play and Silva refusing to pick him. You've said you read an article about Anguissa refusing to play but the link above clearly states that Silva didn't want to pick him because Anguissa is looking to leave
Secondly, this link was published about 6 hours ago, how the hell did you read it unless Peter is using you sub edit his work for the Athletic these days.
Anguissa is off - nobody is really arguing that. Your character assassination of him based on nothing is bit much though.
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Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 09, 2021, 11:37:27 PM
Thats because you're not getting one for basically lying to everybody. That link has only just surfaced, so it's not the one that you read yesterday.
We all knew he would be going, people have even said that on this very thread. What still hasn't been written anywhere is that he refused to play, I don't know why you made that up, but you did.
It says in that exact link that "he did not play due to his desire to leave the club"
What more do you want ? Anguisssa to come knock on your door and tell you personally ?
Own it Summerset that's all I ask
"However, it is understood that Silva does not want anyone involved who is not committed to the club's promotion push, and as a result, Anguissa played no part against Middlesbrough."Silva dropped him because he has said he wants to leave, there was no mention of a refusal to play. You own it. It was you that made up some utter bullsh!t for reasons that I still don't really understand and you got caught out.
I would be extremely embarrassed if I were you, tbh.
Got to say I'm with Perry. Saying you don't want to do something in this context is effectively the same as refusing to do it. No manager is going to pick a player who's said he doesn't want to play, because it means they'll probably play crap and be a miserable sod which will bring the other players down.
Quote from: Statto on August 10, 2021, 12:45:09 AM
Got to say I'm with Perry. Saying you don't want to do something in this context is effectively the same as refusing to do it. No manager is going to pick a player who's said he doesn't want to play, because it means they'll probably play crap and be a miserable sod which will bring the other players down.
Can't believe this lot are excusing him, just can't admit their wrong
F him
And that type of behavior is Toxic in and around the dressing room
Who has exused him?
Requesting a transfer does not equate to going on strike in my book, just admit that you made this whole refusing to play thing up.
Because you did.
Quote from: Statto on August 09, 2021, 05:03:55 PM
Saying we have 7 CMs is totally misleading.
We have two CMs who will only just play 46 games between them (Cairney and Reed)
We have Onomah who's arguably not the standard we need if the target is top two
We have one CM who hasn't played a game for us in over two years (Seri)
We have another CM we can't use, as yesterday demonstrates (Anguissa)
We have two youth players who can play CM... just like we have several layers of youth cover in every position theoretically
So for all intents and purposes we have one quality CM (Reed + Cairney = 1) and one backup CM (Onomah)
We ain't getting promoted with that
spot on
But who has beans on toast every day?
Quote from: perry geyton on August 10, 2021, 01:35:20 AM
Quote from: Statto on August 10, 2021, 12:45:09 AM
Got to say I'm with Perry. Saying you don't want to do something in this context is effectively the same as refusing to do it. No manager is going to pick a player who's said he doesn't want to play, because it means they'll probably play crap and be a miserable sod which will bring the other players down.
Can't believe this lot are excusing him, just can't admit their wrong
F him
And that type of behavior is Toxic in and around the dressing room
Precisely and fractures the dressing room and divides players, undermines the management and erodes team spirit.
I'll be more than than pleased if we can get 21.5 million for him, irrespective of whether having a bad attitude and wanting to leave is technically refusing to play or not.
Has always been a player I thought had excellent ability, his attitude is however consistently poor and you do get the feeling that he plays on his own terms. Not tracking back especially early on in his Fulham career was evidence of this. Generally plays at about 70% which is frustrating as hell. With the right attitude and giving 100% every game, he would be a world beater. Be interesting to know how he is thought of by the players in the changing room with him. Anyway, we move on and I now hope we sell rather than loan, i have defended him in the past and he has let me down.
Regardless of is he refusing to play/donesn't want to play so Silva not picking him, either way it's poor from him and a huge disappointment. If he wants to go, fine - i've no doubt the club are also willing to move him on so all on the same page - but we're paying his wages so at least have the professionalism and basic integrity make yourself available / put in the effort until an offer has been accepted.
Taking this stance also diminishes our bargaining chips when it comes to his sale price as it's common knowledge he's not playing as he wants out, so this stance could also cost us much-needed money. He should also have the self-awareness to see that this reflection on his character might also put off some managers / prospective clubs.
I've always thought there is a good player in there with high potential, but the sooner he is someone else's responsbility to unlock it and we can use the sale fee to buy good players who want to be here, the better.
Quote from: perry geyton on August 09, 2021, 11:12:14 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 09, 2021, 08:01:11 PM
I agree that he probably is off, thats not really up for debate - we mostly all think the same in that respect.
However, I (and others) have found zero links to support your claim though, which is....strange, but there we are.
I'll leave it there.
https://theathletic.com/news/anguissa-left-out-of-fulhams-draw-with-middlesbrough-due-to-desire-to-leave/yhUR6ywExKEP
Well there you have it Sumerset, Twig, bestofBrede, simply fulham, cookieG etc etc
I'll be waiting for apologies from the lot of you
And don't be changing your tune like Sumersets already done
Not sure why I should be apologising Perry?
I asked where you read this and you couldn't tell us.
You don't like the player that's obvious, but to state something as fact from someone's post on the internet is just wrong. The athletic - what's that as a factual site?
I'm not particularly bothered if he leaves, but was more concerned about truth in the statement that he refused to play!
But it says in that story that it was Silva's choice to leave him out of the squad, as he has a policy of not including players that aren't in it for the long haul. It is nowhere stated or implied that Anguissa refused to play or said he wouldn't play or downed tools. Those are very different things.
looks like the sooner he goes the better,and i rate him
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Quote from: WolverineFFC on August 09, 2021, 11:38:40 PM
Quote from: MartyFFC on August 09, 2021, 08:33:33 PM
I was reading that he's apparently off to Aston Villa for 21.5 million, which would explain his absence from the squad
I hope that figure is true. Would get his 9 million or so amortization off the books along with 3 million in salary. By my math the club also books a 12 million profit. Could be enough to get Grimes, Muniz, and hopefully another CM without having to gut more of the squad for FFP.
Grimes has no guaranteed ability to perform in the premiership and neither does muniz. Everyone seems so keen to get rid of zambo when his stats when he did play last season were actually very good. Going up our biggest issue was having an entire squad good enough to stay up, we need players already who can make the step up.
I just wish we had last seasons defence and the slavisa seasons forward line of babel and schurrle and then a proper decent CM pairing. Would still be up now I reckon.
I'm not keen to get rid of him, just realistic. The club need to sell somebody for FFP. FZA makes the most sense for many reasons and I don't think he will increase the club's chances of promotion this season much anyhow.
As for Grimes, etc. The club is not currently in the Premiership, so whether players can or cannot perform there is irrelevant. You need to improve the squad for this season and if you are fortunate enough to be promoted, add those better quality players then.
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Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 09, 2021, 08:01:11 PM
I agree that he probably is off, thats not really up for debate - we mostly all think the same in that respect.
However, I (and others) have found zero links to support your claim though, which is....strange, but there we are.
I'll leave it there.
https://theathletic.com/news/anguissa-left-out-of-fulhams-draw-with-middlesbrough-due-to-desire-to-leave/yhUR6ywExKEP
Well there you have it Sumerset, Twig, Bredes leg etc....
A nice apology from every single one of you would be nice...
Perhaps it would have been easier if you had posted the link yourself and a lot earlier.
And there's the first excuse and not an apology in sight ?
2 + 2 =
Well that is one excuse you could have used or you could have said "sorry lads I read somewhere that Anguissa blah blah blah I'd a few drinks but I will go back through my browser find the link and post it". But you didn't and someone else had to bail you out. Not really a good thread to start if you don't have the link or facts to back up what you are saying.
Oh dear Piri, you've been sussed out hahahahahahahaha
I do wonder whether some journos look at threads like this on forums to create articles and then claim "sources said".
However, I wouldn't have put The Athletic in that category, so maybe there is something to him not being in the squad.
That being said, I don't believe that Anguissa refused to play, rather it was a case of there is a clear understanding between all parties that he's keen to move on.
The player we missed the most on Sunday was Harrison Reid.
Too often Ream brought the ball out of defence and had to play a 40 yard ball, when I would rather he was playing 10-15 yard balls to Reid. Yep StefJo would have been useful for sure. But Reid will make us look really good, especially with Cavalho and Wilson.
But we do need cover and it is obvs that Anguissa can play if we can convince him to stay.Trouble is he can easily go on the sick list at a moment's notice.So only Silva can make the call.
Quote from: clarkey on August 10, 2021, 01:26:51 PM
The player we missed the most on Sunday was Harrison Reid.
Too often Ream brought the ball out of defence and had to play a 40 yard ball, when I would rather he was playing 10-15 yard balls to Reid. Yep StefJo would have been useful for sure. But Reid will make us look really good, especially with Cavalho and Wilson.
But we do need cover and it is obvs that Anguissa can play if we can convince him to stay.Trouble is he can easily go on the sick list at a moment's notice.So only Silva can make the call.
I think Zambo going suits both parties. We need to raise monies because of FFP , he probably wants out. If Reed stays and we get Grimes we'll have a very good DM
Quote from: blingo on August 10, 2021, 01:00:24 PM
Oh dear Piri, you've been sussed out hahahahahahahaha
Quite the opposite Bongo
Has Zambo buggered off yet I just woke up ?
I really rate Anguissa. I was annoyed we let him go last time in championship, albeit, its understandable, but if the reports are true, I don't like the guys attitude. He's been part and parcel of our failure so if I was in his shoes, I'd want to be part of the solution and muck in and get us back up. If champions league clubs come calling, then I get it to some extent, but if it's a matter of 'I just want to play in any elite league with any elite club' and this was what he was like last time (I don't know if that was the case or not), then I'd prefer to see the back of him and wish him well wherever he winds up.
Like the reports have suggested in Silva's thinking, he only wants committed players at the club and I think that's sensible.
Quote from: perry geyton on August 10, 2021, 03:52:31 PM
Quote from: blingo on August 10, 2021, 01:00:24 PM
Oh dear Piri, you've been sussed out hahahahahahahaha
Quite the opposite Bongo
Has Zambo buggered off yet I just woke up ?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha
This is getting boring. Please move this prima Donna on and try to recruit a couple of proper footballers, who will fight for the cause!
At the end of the day Anguissa's never been fit to wear the shirt and to put it bluntly has played crap on most occasions as a FFC player. No goals or assists for us and only 2 career goals and 2 career assists in slower tempo leagues says it all. Not prem standard and good riddance if/when he leaves. Jog him right on and rip someone's hand off if they offer decent money.
Quote from: millsy on August 10, 2021, 04:52:38 PM
This is getting boring. Please move this prima Donna on and try to recruit a couple of proper footballers, who will fight for the cause!
Apparently he tried to leave 3 times, did a surging run to Putney Bridge then did a u turn and went back to the cottage
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on August 10, 2021, 05:00:27 PM
At the end of the day Anguissa's never been fit to wear the shirt and to put it bluntly has played crap on most occasions as a FFC player. No goals or assists for us and only 2 career goals and 2 career assists in slower tempo leagues says it all. Not prem standard and good riddance if/when he leaves. Jog him right on and rip someone's hand off if they offer decent money.
Oof, well just leaving this here for FFCF.
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Quote from: perry geyton on August 09, 2021, 11:12:14 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 09, 2021, 08:01:11 PM
I agree that he probably is off, thats not really up for debate - we mostly all think the same in that respect.
However, I (and others) have found zero links to support your claim though, which is....strange, but there we are.
I'll leave it there.
https://theathletic.com/news/anguissa-left-out-of-fulhams-draw-with-middlesbrough-due-to-desire-to-leave/yhUR6ywExKEP
Well there you have it Sumerset, Twig, bestofBrede, simply fulham, cookieG etc etc
I'll be waiting for apologies from the lot of you
And don't be changing your tune like Sumersets already done
1. If this was the "loads of articles" that you were referring to why didn't you post it and admit there's just one single reference?
2. Where does it say he refused to play?
Look, at the end of the day I want him gone as much as the next person. I don't rate him and feel he's always underperformed. His goals and assists contribution is pathetic. Whether he's toxic like some claim, I've no idea and whether he's refused to play I've similarly no idea. I just want to see the back of him. On that we are in full agreement!
I can't believe that you are all biting. Piri has got you all at it. I'd take bets he's sitting there laughing his socks off.
It's not funny though, Blingo.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 10, 2021, 07:36:03 PM
It's not funny though, Blingo.
Agree, it's not funny and totally disrespectful to Anguissa. No one knows the full facts.
Quote from: Whitestone on August 10, 2021, 07:38:45 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 10, 2021, 07:36:03 PM
It's not funny though, Blingo.
Agree, it's not funny and totally disrespectful to Anguissa. No one knows the full facts.
I'd happily trust the athletic. One of the rare but reliable sports outlets. If they say Anguissa is refusing to play and wants a move, I'm more than willing to believe it.
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 10, 2021, 07:44:26 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on August 10, 2021, 07:38:45 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 10, 2021, 07:36:03 PM
It's not funny though, Blingo.
Agree, it's not funny and totally disrespectful to Anguissa. No one knows the full facts.
I'd happily trust the athletic. One of the rare but reliable sports outlets. If they say Anguissa is refusing to play and wants a move, I'm more than willing to believe it.
.
I thought rutzler said he wants a transfer, nowhere did I read he refused to play, that was Silva's decision not to play him. One I agree with.
If he isn't gonna play, sell him ASAP and buy players who will improve the squad. There's no point in having a player who doesn't want to play, if he wants to go let him go.
Why aren't we signing players?
Quote from: bobby01 on August 10, 2021, 07:47:24 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 10, 2021, 07:44:26 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on August 10, 2021, 07:38:45 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 10, 2021, 07:36:03 PM
It's not funny though, Blingo.
Agree, it's not funny and totally disrespectful to Anguissa. No one knows the full facts.
I'd happily trust the athletic. One of the rare but reliable sports outlets. If they say Anguissa is refusing to play and wants a move, I'm more than willing to believe it.
.
I thought rutzler said he wants a transfer, nowhere did I read he refused to play, that was Silva's decision not to play him. One I agree with.
Pardon me, that was a poor choice of wording. Yes, doesn't want to be here, so yeh, I still stand by it, if he doesn;t want to correct the failure he's been amply apart of, I think thats a slight on his character.
Quote from: perry geyton on August 09, 2021, 11:12:14 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 09, 2021, 08:01:11 PM
I agree that he probably is off, thats not really up for debate - we mostly all think the same in that respect.
However, I (and others) have found zero links to support your claim though, which is....strange, but there we are.
I'll leave it there.
https://theathletic.com/news/anguissa-left-out-of-fulhams-draw-with-middlesbrough-due-to-desire-to-leave/yhUR6ywExKEP
Well there you have it Sumerset, Twig, bestofBrede, simply fulham, cookieG etc etc
I'll be waiting for apologies from the lot of you
And don't be changing your tune like Sumersets already done
Not wishing to insert myself in this quarrel, but when the opening paragraph says:
"Andre-Frank Anguissa was left out of Fulham's matchday squad against Middlesbrough on Sunday due to his desire to leave the club, The Athletic understands."For me, personally, the fact The Athletic might understand this doesn't fill me with the overall impression that they aren't just hedging bets on something they have read on the internet (well it's on the internet so it must be true - says the French model) and are looking to simply make unsubstantiated headlines, as some people are intent on doing. The refusal to play part does add some interest to the whole thing though.
Quote from: Logicalman on August 10, 2021, 08:04:47 PM
Quote from: perry geyton on August 09, 2021, 11:12:14 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 09, 2021, 08:01:11 PM
I agree that he probably is off, thats not really up for debate - we mostly all think the same in that respect.
However, I (and others) have found zero links to support your claim though, which is....strange, but there we are.
I'll leave it there.
https://theathletic.com/news/anguissa-left-out-of-fulhams-draw-with-middlesbrough-due-to-desire-to-leave/yhUR6ywExKEP
Well there you have it Sumerset, Twig, bestofBrede, simply fulham, cookieG etc etc
I'll be waiting for apologies from the lot of you
And don't be changing your tune like Sumersets already done
Not wishing to insert myself in this quarrel, but when the opening paragraph says:
"Andre-Frank Anguissa was left out of Fulham's matchday squad against Middlesbrough on Sunday due to his desire to leave the club, The Athletic understands."
For me, personally, the fact The Athletic might understand this doesn't fill me with the overall impression that they aren't just hedging bets on something they have read on the internet (well it's on the internet so it must be true - says the French model) and are looking to simply make unsubstantiated headlines, as some people are intent on doing. The refusal to play part does add some interest to the whole thing though.
Whilst I'd normally agree, the Athletic has a much higher threshold to not produce rubbish unless they're confident of who has reported it to them. They have too much to lose as a sub service model to produce click bait. I sub myself and they very rarely, get it wrong.
Quote from: Whitestone on August 10, 2021, 07:38:45 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 10, 2021, 07:36:03 PM
It's not funny though, Blingo.
Agree, it's not funny and totally disrespectful to Anguissa. No one knows the full facts.
Hardly worth getting upset over. I don't read anything life threatening. Piri has got you all worked up. As Bill Shakespeare would say, much ado about nothing. Tbh I do find it funny.
FWIW Grimes to be far more effective player than Anguissa.
I'm certainly not worked up, I just don't like a liar / peddler of misinformation. But I'll say no more on the matter, he clearly won't apologise for it, nor is he embarrassed by it, which is quite something.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 10, 2021, 08:53:19 PM
I'm certainly not worked up, I just don't like a liar / peddler of misinformation. But I'll say no more on the matter, he clearly won't apologise for it, nor is he embarrassed by it, which is quite something.
Oh dear
You must be a bundle of fun to be around
It clearly says he didn't want to be here which clearly means he does not want to play,
Silva dropped him because of that fact, rightly so
What part of that do you not understand ?
Now go iron your khaki's to get your mind off it for a bit
I still love u 😍
Quote from: blingo on August 10, 2021, 08:40:01 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on August 10, 2021, 07:38:45 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 10, 2021, 07:36:03 PM
It's not funny though, Blingo.
Agree, it's not funny and totally disrespectful to Anguissa. No one knows the full facts.
Hardly worth getting upset over. I don't read anything life threatening. Piri has got you all worked up. As Bill Shakespeare would say, much ado about nothing. Tbh I do find it funny.
No one is upset. No one is worked up. Opinion is fine. Fabrication is not.
Quote from: blingo on August 10, 2021, 06:57:31 PM
I can't believe that you are all biting. Piri has got you all at it. I'd take bets he's sitting there laughing his socks off.
Reveling in it Bongo
Quote from: perry geyton on August 10, 2021, 09:09:56 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 10, 2021, 08:53:19 PM
I'm certainly not worked up, I just don't like a liar / peddler of misinformation. But I'll say no more on the matter, he clearly won't apologise for it, nor is he embarrassed by it, which is quite something.
Oh dear
You must be a bundle of fun to be around
It clearly says he didn't want to be here which clearly means he does not want to play,
Silva dropped him because of that fact, rightly so
What part of that do you not understand ?
Now go iron your khaki's to get your mind off it for a bit
I still love u 😍
Well, well, Perry...
That's changed quite a lot from your original statement eh?
You now say: "it clearly says he didn't want to be here which clearly means he does not want to play"
Whereas, originally you stated that he "REFUSED" to play!
Surely you can see why people are questioning that?
Best leave this!?
Quote from: Whitestone on August 10, 2021, 07:38:45 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 10, 2021, 07:36:03 PM
It's not funny though, Blingo.
Agree, it's not funny and totally disrespectful to Anguissa. No one knows the full facts.
Totally disrespectful to Anguissa
Do me a favor
Not fulfilling a contract and not wanting to play when on silly money and thinking your too good when you are not and have done bugger all to prove yourself in 3 years is what I would call disrespectful
Mr U turn can do one as far as I'm concerned
Quote from: Whitestone on August 10, 2021, 07:38:45 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 10, 2021, 07:36:03 PM
It's not funny though, Blingo.
Agree, it's not funny and totally disrespectful to Anguissa. No one knows the full facts.
Lol. The full facts are that Anguissa aint up to the job of representing FFC. Respect must be earned and he aint earned it. Gimme a Terry Hurlock over him any day of the week please.
Reading WhiteJC Daily news (second story of the day) and you'll find that "Silva does not want any uncommitted players playing for Fulham". I would agree and support that line off thinking.
https://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=82593.0
If this is true it's really disappointing, especially as he had never actually performed in a way to suggest our current level is actually beneath his capabilities as a player. He was pretty mediocre last season in a poor team and he isn't doing himself any favours here either - bit embarrassing turning up at the cottage and sitting in the stands when you've refused to play because you consider yourself above the lads out there working hard for the shirt.
I've been in his corner but if we can get anything near what we paid for him, ship him out.
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on August 11, 2021, 02:49:31 AM
Quote from: Whitestone on August 10, 2021, 07:38:45 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 10, 2021, 07:36:03 PM
It's not funny though, Blingo.
Agree, it's not funny and totally disrespectful to Anguissa. No one knows the full facts.
Lol. The full facts are that Anguissa aint up to the job of representing FFC. Respect must be earned and he aint earned it. Gimme a Terry Hurlock over him any day of the week please.
Terry Hurlock. Ha ha ha. That's like comparing a Rolls Royce with a Dacia.
If as player want to leave and show no commitment or even refuse to play, then that player should not be paid.
No work - No money!
What do we know of Zambo's time at FFC?
He costs us a hell of a lot of money in salary & transfer fees.
He struggled to play at the desired level when he arrived in the PL
Parker reinstated him into the team during the final games in the PL and he showed some promise.
Its widely accepted he made it clear he didn't want to play in the EFL the following year.
He played for Villarreal on loan and by all accounts had a decent season, albeit in a less physical league.
He returned to FFC for another PL season and again showed some promise but only showed very occasional flashes of quality and never affected the results in a positive way.
He impresses when he steals the ball or keeps the ball under pressure in tight situations.
Too infrequently he uses his athleticism to carry the ball, when he does it excites but never delivers.
None of the above is done in area of the pitch that hurt the opposition throughout his time with us.
Considering what we get for the money its cost the club he can only be described as a big failure.
That's the basics as far as I'm concerned but can anyone show I'm wrong?
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on August 11, 2021, 09:38:24 AM
What do we know of Zambo's time at FFC?
He costs us a hell of a lot of money in salary & transfer fees.
He struggled to play at the desired level when he arrived in the PL
Parker reinstated him into the team during the final games in the PL and he showed some promise.
Its widely accepted he made it clear he didn't want to play in the EFL the following year.
He played for Villarreal on loan and by all accounts had a decent season, albeit in a less physical league.
He returned to FFC for another PL season and again showed some promise but only showed very occasional flashes of quality and never affected the results in a positive way.
He impresses when he steals the ball or keeps the ball under pressure in tight situations.
Too infrequently he uses his athleticism to carry the ball, when he does it excites but never delivers.
None of the above is done in area of the pitch that hurt the opposition throughout his time with us.
Considering what we get for the money its cost the club he can only be described as a big failure.
That's the basics as far as I'm concerned but can anyone show I'm wrong?
I mean that's quite easy to do.
Don't you remember against Leeds at Elland Road where with the ball he shrugged off kalvin Phillips (who played every game getting England to the euro finals this summer), then played a perfectly weighted pass to BDR who subsequently scored.
And before you say that's it and he doesn't do anything else because it's the easy default to go to and you can't be bothered to check, because you've clearly missed a pretty obvious example, you may actually be inclined to check videos - not stats - and see what he did offer. Because he obviously did offer stuff and your suggestion he didn't and resting on laurels where there are obvious examples suggests you're more inclined to go with information that reaffirms your confirmation bias over actual objectivity and facts.
He also carried the ball forward, outpacing the Leicester midfield to lay in Lookman with a perfect pass when we beat Leicester. This and the Leeds goal as mentioned above are examples that he has the ability to influence things, he does however always seem to be in 2nd gear, sometime does not track back and I would say is a bit of a luxury most of the time. With the right attitude and a bit of fight he could be a world beater, he just strikes me as a bit of a lazy player that plays for himself and I suspect would have gone missing in the championship as often as not. Best to get as much money for him as we can, certainly more than £20M and use that to bring in players more suitable to our needs right now. I was very much a Frank man when he first arrived but he has let me down.
Quote from: sarvenpa on August 11, 2021, 09:04:31 AM
If as player want to leave and show no commitment or even refuse to play, then that player should not be paid.
No work - No money!
If he refuses to play, that's Breach of Contract.
Quote from: FulhamStu on August 11, 2021, 09:59:44 AM
He also carried the ball forward, outpacing the Leicester midfield to lay in Lookman with a perfect pass when we beat Leicester. This and the Leeds goal as mentioned above are examples that he has the ability to influence things, he does however always seem to be in 2nd gear, sometime does not track back and I would say is a bit of a luxury most of the time. With the right attitude and a bit of fight he could be a world beater, he just strikes me as a bit of a lazy player that plays for himself and I suspect would have gone missing in the championship as often as not. Best to get as much money for him as we can, certainly more than £20M and use that to bring in players more suitable to our needs right now. I was very much a Frank man when he first arrived but he has let me down.
He has the ability, he should be MotM in every match. He should be driving forward at every opportunity, some of his play last season reminded me of Parker playing. Pirouetting in a circle, you beaten all the opposition players, but keep doing it, then pass back.
I think he has said he doesn't want to play in the championship rather than he will not play. Silva has said he will not pick players that don't want to play rather than will not play. It's sort of semantics but I think Silva realises that he will not get 100% from him, so better get the money and buy hungry players and I agree with that. Life has been made too easy for Anguissa who always looks like he needs a bit of a kick up the bum to me. Earns a fortune, breezes through games, maybe he is the same in training ?
Quote from: FulhamStu on August 11, 2021, 10:24:32 AM
I think he has said he doesn't want to play in the championship rather than he will not play. Silva has said he will not pick players that don't want to play rather than will not play. It's sort of semantics but I think Silva realises that he will not get 100% from him, so better get the money and buy hungry players and I agree with that. Life has been made too easy for Anguissa who always looks like he needs a bit of a kick up the bum to me. Earns a fortune, breezes through games, maybe he is the same in training ?
It's the same with Seri, if he plays it won't be 100% effort.
Quote from: rebel on August 11, 2021, 10:14:51 AM
If he refuses to play, that's Breach of Contract.
...and if he doesn't but someone says he does, that's libel.
And if he was MotM every game he'd win the Balon D'Or.
And if he set fire to HMS Victory at Portsmouth it would be 'arson in Her Majesty's Dockyard' and thus a capital crime.
But first a whole bunch of opinions, rumours and theories would need to be established as facts.
Thanks, cmg, that's nicely put
Football forums are awash with conjecture, rumour and supposition; and really shouldn't be taken so seriously......
But Prince Zambo is untouchable and by far the best player in the football league by a country mile,
Why on earth would he lower his standards to the championship ? That leagues not good enough to clean his boots
I mean 1 goal and 1 assist with stats like that surely he's champions league
Any news ?
Has he buggered off yet ?
Just an update on zambo, the club posted photos of Harrison reed on twitter and zambo is still training with the guys.
Back in the day I remember some players were kept out of games until window closed Just for precaution and not even necessarily because a player wanted to leave. They are assets not worth risking in some instances and not always an indication of a player actively not wanting to play at the club.
Quote from: perry geyton on August 11, 2021, 02:50:37 PM
But Prince Zambo is untouchable and by far the best player in the football league by a country mile,
Why on earth would he lower his standards to the championship ? That leagues not good enough to clean his boots
I mean 1 goal and 1 assist with stats like that surely he's champions league
Any news ?
Has he buggered off yet ?
In fairness he isn't and has never been a goalscoring midfielder. To expect it from him is slightly strange and akin to thinking Harrison Reed to score and be our attacking outlet or any other general cm and with Wilson, BDR and Mitro its not what we need him to do.
Would be nice to have cairney back fit though.
I believe PSG have their lawyers working 24/7 to back out of the Messi deal since they've found out Anguissa was available
Quote from: perry geyton on August 11, 2021, 02:50:37 PM
But Prince Zambo is untouchable and by far the best player in the football league by a country mile,
Why on earth would he lower his standards to the championship ? That leagues not good enough to clean his boots
I mean 1 goal and 1 assist with stats like that surely he's champions league
Any news ?
Has he buggered off yet ?
Jesus wept, Perry's found whiskey cabinet again.
Quote from: simplyfulham on August 11, 2021, 03:39:37 PM
Quote from: perry geyton on August 11, 2021, 02:50:37 PM
But Prince Zambo is untouchable and by far the best player in the football league by a country mile,
Why on earth would he lower his standards to the championship ? That leagues not good enough to clean his boots
I mean 1 goal and 1 assist with stats like that surely he's champions league
Any news ?
Has he buggered off yet ?
Jesus wept, Perry's found whiskey cabinet again.
Rumor is Perry is a pirate and pirates drink rum.
If the manager cannot motivate Anguissa then that is the MANAGER'S problem. I always compared Anguissa to Patrick Vieira and as has been stated, yes he sometimes plays within himself. However watching that shambles against the primitive tactics of Neil Warnock, Fulham needed someone with central midfield prescence, something Anguissa possesses.
One must take issue with some of the fickle Fulham fans who decry such a talented individual when we are playing juniors like Francois & Cavalho who opponents will eat for breakfast! Observe Mitrovic's effort and much as I am an admirer his work rate is woeful. Doubt if Anguissa can do less and one has to believe in a decent manager being able to get the most out of his players, otherwise Silva is not fit for purpose.
Poor old Frank. I'm beginning to feel sorry for him now.
Not only is he regularly slagged off by a significant section of this board but now he is being compared, obviousy to his disadvantage, to one of the greatest midfielders of all time.
Other than both are tall (although Vieira even beats him by 3 inches there) and can be seen in midfield on a football pitch I can think of no other point of similarity.
Bottom line from the poster seems to be, if Silva can't turn Anguissa into Vieira he is useless at his job. Good luck with that one Marco. Perhaps he should try water into wine first.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on August 11, 2021, 04:29:12 PM
If the manager cannot motivate Anguissa then that is the MANAGER'S problem. I always compared Anguissa to Patrick Vieira and as has been stated, yes he sometimes plays within himself. However watching that shambles against the primitive tactics of Neil Warnock, Fulham needed someone with central midfield prescence, something Anguissa possesses.
One must take issue with some of the fickle Fulham fans who decry such a talented individual when we are playing juniors like Francois & Cavalho who opponents will eat for breakfast! Observe Mitrovic's effort and much as I am an admirer his work rate is woeful. Doubt if Anguissa can do less and one has to believe in a decent manager being able to get the most out of his players, otherwise Silva is not fit for purpose.
Not the managers fault, get it into your head he thinks he's too good for the championship and Fulham.
Comparing him to a Patrick Vierrra now 🤣 oh dear
A Poor mans Etuhu more like
Quote from: BarryP on August 11, 2021, 04:02:13 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on August 11, 2021, 03:39:37 PM
Quote from: perry geyton on August 11, 2021, 02:50:37 PM
But Prince Zambo is untouchable and by far the best player in the football league by a country mile,
Why on earth would he lower his standards to the championship ? That leagues not good enough to clean his boots
I mean 1 goal and 1 assist with stats like that surely he's champions league
Any news ?
Has he buggered off yet ?
Jesus wept, Perry's found whiskey cabinet again.
Rumor is Perry is a pirate and pirates drink rum.
Stone cold sober lads
I never talk football when I'm drunk
Maybe extend that to never talking football?
Jesus man you're off again with stating made up stuff - unless you can prove any of it??
To say "Get it into your head" is so strange!
Prove it or shut up
Quote from: General on August 11, 2021, 09:49:13 AM
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on August 11, 2021, 09:38:24 AM
What do we know of Zambo's time at FFC?
He costs us a hell of a lot of money in salary & transfer fees.
He struggled to play at the desired level when he arrived in the PL
Parker reinstated him into the team during the final games in the PL and he showed some promise.
Its widely accepted he made it clear he didn't want to play in the EFL the following year.
He played for Villarreal on loan and by all accounts had a decent season, albeit in a less physical league.
He returned to FFC for another PL season and again showed some promise but only showed very occasional flashes of quality and never affected the results in a positive way.
He impresses when he steals the ball or keeps the ball under pressure in tight situations.
Too infrequently he uses his athleticism to carry the ball, when he does it excites but never delivers.
None of the above is done in area of the pitch that hurt the opposition throughout his time with us.
Considering what we get for the money its cost the club he can only be described as a big failure.
That's the basics as far as I'm concerned but can anyone show I'm wrong?
I mean that's quite easy to do.
Don't you remember against Leeds at Elland Road where with the ball he shrugged off kalvin Phillips (who played every game getting England to the euro finals this summer), then played a perfectly weighted pass to BDR who subsequently scored.
And before you say that's it and he doesn't do anything else because it's the easy default to go to and you can't be bothered to check, because you've clearly missed a pretty obvious example, you may actually be inclined to check videos - not stats - and see what he did offer. Because he obviously did offer stuff and your suggestion he didn't and resting on laurels where there are obvious examples suggests you're more inclined to go with information that reaffirms your confirmation bias over actual objectivity and facts.
I guess I was generalising and guilty of not listing every positive play he initiated during the season.
Your observation about his contribution in the Leeds game is totally correct as are one or 2 other posters comments but isn't that the problem.
He has all the tools in the box but rarely does he bother to take them out and use them to the teams benefit.
I'm sure there are even a few more examples of his achievements in games if we think a bit hard enough but is that really enough for a player of his undoubted ability.
The odd times during the season he was "at it" he's was a classy player and this isn't a hatchet job on him but he simply never did enough over the season.
I don't know about you but I saw many of the games live home and away and unlike on TV you see the big picture and if a player is going to be lazy you have to deliver big time in other ways and he didn't.
But hey! that's my opinion and others may think otherwise.
Quote from: perry geyton on August 11, 2021, 06:23:54 PM
Quote from: BarryP on August 11, 2021, 04:02:13 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on August 11, 2021, 03:39:37 PM
Quote from: perry geyton on August 11, 2021, 02:50:37 PM
But Prince Zambo is untouchable and by far the best player in the football league by a country mile,
Why on earth would he lower his standards to the championship ? That leagues not good enough to clean his boots
I mean 1 goal and 1 assist with stats like that surely he's champions league
Any news ?
Has he buggered off yet ?
Jesus wept, Perry's found whiskey cabinet again.
Rumor is Perry is a pirate and pirates drink rum.
Stone cold sober lads
I never talk football when I'm drunk
If that's the truth then you've got a lot of explaining to do.
I don't recall Anguissa stating he is too good for the championship nor that he will not play for Fulham. According to a very dodgy website he may have a desire to leave the club, but Fulham have him in a 2 year contract with an option for a further year. We are in the driving seat in any contract negotions.
I compare him to Vieira, he may not be as good but one cannot deny the similarity. Anguissa has shown some incredible close control skills when our team was floundering in the EPL, and Parker would drop him for no good reason at all.
Last weekend, I watched two juniors playing in central midfield against Warnock's thuggish marauders - they didn't stand a chance and in this very physical league they will continue to struggle. And it's not as if Fulham are bursting at the seams with prolific talent; again last weekend even the subs looked weak!!
This is where a good manager can make the most of his squad and convince players like Anguissa that he is in his plans. Look at the desire of others, yet they still walk into Fulham's squad and then walk around the pitch as though they are entitled. Anguissa was given a bad shake of the deal last season and he can shine in this division if played.
Let's face it, would you rather be struggling near the bottom in the EPL losing virtually every week with relegation almost a certainty, or winning at the top of the Championship with promotion almost GUARANTEED? I think you all know the answer.
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on August 11, 2021, 07:11:51 PM
Quote from: General on August 11, 2021, 09:49:13 AM
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on August 11, 2021, 09:38:24 AM
What do we know of Zambo's time at FFC?
He costs us a hell of a lot of money in salary & transfer fees.
He struggled to play at the desired level when he arrived in the PL
Parker reinstated him into the team during the final games in the PL and he showed some promise.
Its widely accepted he made it clear he didn't want to play in the EFL the following year.
He played for Villarreal on loan and by all accounts had a decent season, albeit in a less physical league.
He returned to FFC for another PL season and again showed some promise but only showed very occasional flashes of quality and never affected the results in a positive way.
He impresses when he steals the ball or keeps the ball under pressure in tight situations.
Too infrequently he uses his athleticism to carry the ball, when he does it excites but never delivers.
None of the above is done in area of the pitch that hurt the opposition throughout his time with us.
Considering what we get for the money its cost the club he can only be described as a big failure.
That's the basics as far as I'm concerned but can anyone show I'm wrong?
I mean that's quite easy to do.
Don't you remember against Leeds at Elland Road where with the ball he shrugged off kalvin Phillips (who played every game getting England to the euro finals this summer), then played a perfectly weighted pass to BDR who subsequently scored.
And before you say that's it and he doesn't do anything else because it's the easy default to go to and you can't be bothered to check, because you've clearly missed a pretty obvious example, you may actually be inclined to check videos - not stats - and see what he did offer. Because he obviously did offer stuff and your suggestion he didn't and resting on laurels where there are obvious examples suggests you're more inclined to go with information that reaffirms your confirmation bias over actual objectivity and facts.
I guess I was generalising and guilty of not listing every positive play he initiated during the season.
Your observation about his contribution in the Leeds game is totally correct as are one or 2 other posters comments but isn't that the problem.
He has all the tools in the box but rarely does he bother to take them out and use them to the teams benefit.
I'm sure there are even a few more examples of his achievements in games if we think a bit hard enough but is that really enough for a player of his undoubted ability.
The odd times during the season he was "at it" he's was a classy player and this isn't a hatchet job on him but he simply never did enough over the season.
I don't know about you but I saw many of the games live home and away and unlike on TV you see the big picture and if a player is going to be lazy you have to deliver big time in other ways and he didn't.
But hey! that's my opinion and others may think otherwise.
By and large that seems to be a fair assessment of big Frank.
He came into the professional game relatively late, by modern standards. I think he moved to France and into a professional academy structure at 18 or 19?
He's only 25 now so where most 25yos in the Premier League have been in academy set ups for roughly 10 years or so, he's a few years behind. I think that's what shows in these fits and starts we see from him, coming in and out of matches at times.
His casual-looking performances partly due to the way he learned how to play in Yaounde. He'll probably get to top one day but it's not looking very likely he'll be doing that with us.
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Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on August 11, 2021, 09:38:24 AM
What do we know of Zambo's time at FFC?
He costs us a hell of a lot of money in salary & transfer fees.
He struggled to play at the desired level when he arrived in the PL
Parker reinstated him into the team during the final games in the PL and he showed some promise.
Its widely accepted he made it clear he didn't want to play in the EFL the following year.
He played for Villarreal on loan and by all accounts had a decent season, albeit in a less physical league.
He returned to FFC for another PL season and again showed some promise but only showed very occasional flashes of quality and never affected the results in a positive way.
He impresses when he steals the ball or keeps the ball under pressure in tight situations.
Too infrequently he uses his athleticism to carry the ball, when he does it excites but never delivers.
None of the above is done in area of the pitch that hurt the opposition throughout his time with us.
Considering what we get for the money its cost the club he can only be described as a big failure.
That's the basics as far as I'm concerned but can anyone show I'm wrong?
I mean that's quite easy to do.
Don't you remember against Leeds at Elland Road where with the ball he shrugged off kalvin Phillips (who played every game getting England to the euro finals this summer), then played a perfectly weighted pass to BDR who subsequently scored.
And before you say that's it and he doesn't do anything else because it's the easy default to go to and you can't be bothered to check, because you've clearly missed a pretty obvious example, you may actually be inclined to check videos - not stats - and see what he did offer. Because he obviously did offer stuff and your suggestion he didn't and resting on laurels where there are obvious examples suggests you're more inclined to go with information that reaffirms your confirmation bias over actual objectivity and facts.
I guess I was generalising and guilty of not listing every positive play he initiated during the season.
Your observation about his contribution in the Leeds game is totally correct as are one or 2 other posters comments but isn't that the problem.
He has all the tools in the box but rarely does he bother to take them out and use them to the teams benefit.
I'm sure there are even a few more examples of his achievements in games if we think a bit hard enough but is that really enough for a player of his undoubted ability.
The odd times during the season he was "at it" he's was a classy player and this isn't a hatchet job on him but he simply never did enough over the season.
I don't know about you but I saw many of the games live home and away and unlike on TV you see the big picture and if a player is going to be lazy you have to deliver big time in other ways and he didn't.
But hey! that's my opinion and others may think otherwise.
He was 22 when he joined us and is now 25, with his birthday in November. The season before he joined he got to the europa league final with marseille and was a starter. In my eyes any lack of progress since then is due to poor coaching and management from our side. You can't expect a 23 Yr old to be the finished article, you've got to push him to improve.
In the three years he's been with us we've had hatchet squad which have never been decent enough you could argue and competitive enough. Last season we had a good defence but no attack, season before we were in the championship (he stayed last season to play) and his first season we had a shocking defence. That would handicap any decent player. Last seasons mistakes I blame Tony Khan for leaving recruitment so late, batching the fees we pay and parkers limited ability to manage properly or vary his tactics over any one players fault there were fine margins between us being Good enough to stay up last season vs going down and with a better more experienced manager we would have stayed up.
Anguissas stats during last season too were constantly referred to in regards to successful dribbles and passing and tackles as the best in the squad and some of the top in the entire league. He shouldn't be a scapegoat.
I imagine it is epically demoralising to push yourself to get to the professional standard where you're playing a European final aged 22 to going to a team that has been as poor as we have the last three seasons.
Takes a village to build a person.. our village has been useless.
Quote from: BestOfBrede on August 11, 2021, 06:29:00 PM
Maybe extend that to never talking football?
Jesus man you're off again with stating made up stuff - unless you can prove any of it??
To say "Get it into your head" is so strange!
Prove it or shut up
You come across as a very angry man
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But Prince Zambo is untouchable and by far the best player in the football league by a country mile,
Why on earth would he lower his standards to the championship ? That leagues not good enough to clean his boots
I mean 1 goal and 1 assist with stats like that surely he's champions league
Any news ?
Has he buggered off yet ?
Jesus wept, Perry's found whiskey cabinet again.
Rumor is Perry is a pirate and pirates drink rum.
Stone cold sober lads
I never talk football when I'm drunk
If that's the truth then you've got a lot of explaining to do.
Valid !
well ive just read on a website linking him to a move to villa that he refused to play in the championship last time round and
went out on loan to Villarreal. it hints that the same thing is happening this season and he could be an undiscovered star player for someone willing to take a gamble
Quote from: perry geyton on August 11, 2021, 08:20:49 PM
Quote from: BestOfBrede on August 11, 2021, 06:29:00 PM
Maybe extend that to never talking football?
Jesus man you're off again with stating made up stuff - unless you can prove any of it??
To say "Get it into your head" is so strange!
Prove it or shut up
You come across as a very angry man
I'm not Perry...
But blimey mate can't you just admit that you can't stand Zambo and made up this other stuff?
There have been a many a player that I have disliked but I've never stated stuff that I've made up or taken from Twitter or such like!
Anyway, let's leave it there Perry - I just have a thing about negativity towards FFC full stop and, as already stated, am neither here or there if he goes as long as Fulham gain!
Quote from: TC's Sporran on August 11, 2021, 08:55:33 PM
well ive just read on a website linking him to a move to villa that he refused to play in the championship last time round and
went out on loan to Villarreal. it hints that the same thing is happening this season and he could be an undiscovered star player for someone willing to take a gamble
Why should Fulham help Villa? If they pay the price for someone on a 2 year contract with an option for 3 and he is a superb strong, skillful central midfielder who would be a good replacement for Jack Grealish then we might listen. Considering they received £100million for Jack, they have plenty of filthy lucre to wet one's whistle, and only if it makes sense to the Fulham hierachy and have a replacement in view.
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Quote from: BestOfBrede on August 11, 2021, 06:29:00 PM
Maybe extend that to never talking football?
Jesus man you're off again with stating made up stuff - unless you can prove any of it??
To say "Get it into your head" is so strange!
Prove it or shut up
You come across as a very angry man
I'm not Perry...
But blimey mate can't you just admit that you can't stand Zambo and made up this other stuff?
There have been a many a player that I have disliked but I've never stated stuff that I've made up or taken from Twitter or such like!
Anyway, let's leave it there Perry - I just have a thing about negativity towards FFC full stop and, as already stated, am neither here or there if he goes as long as Fulham gain!
I've already admitted that I've disliked Zambo like a 1000 times, I've never rated him and never will
I love FFC too, that's precisely my point and Zambo clearly doesn't and that precisely why I want us to get shot of him
Ive made nothing up it's been clearly stated that he does NOT want to play us
It really can't get any clearer then that
Quote from: Nick Bateman on August 11, 2021, 04:29:12 PM
If the manager cannot motivate Anguissa then that is the MANAGER'S problem. I always compared Anguissa to Patrick Vieira and as has been stated, yes he sometimes plays within himself. However watching that shambles against the primitive tactics of Neil Warnock, Fulham needed someone with central midfield prescence, something Anguissa possesses.
One must take issue with some of the fickle Fulham fans who decry such a talented individual when we are playing juniors like Francois & Cavalho who opponents will eat for breakfast! Observe Mitrovic's effort and much as I am an admirer his work rate is woeful. Doubt if Anguissa can do less and one has to believe in a decent manager being able to get the most out of his players, otherwise Silva is not fit for purpose.
Yes, let's keep changing managers because one player isn't motivated.
General, Nick B and simplyfulham, I generally agree with your well considered pieces above, thanks.
The level of vitriol and fact-free diatribes on this thread is really depressing. I understand that some people (including the o.p.) seem to enjoy playing the panto villain, but c'mon.
I'm upset that Anguissa is likely to go this window, as I would've liked him to commit himself to getting us back to the Premiership, and I think that if used properly he can be an incredibly impactful player, but if he's expressed his desire to move elsewhere, then we should extract maximum value for him, to balance the books and fund a couple of appropriate reinforcements. It's easy to blame Frank for this situation, but in truth it's probably mutually beneficial, and something that Fulham might've been forced to do eventually, even if Frank had wanted to stay.
If it wasn't so demoralizing and pathetic, it would be quite humorous to read all of these posts slagging off Anguissa as useless, or not fit to wear the shirt, or the seemingly endless pile of cliches like "flatters to deceive" and "no end product".
Doesn't it seem odd that Anguissa is by far and away our most valuable player if he's so terrible? Probably only Mitro is valued within 10mil of him (I also think Mitro's value may have plummeted due to his poor last season). It's funny that all these professional football people, whose job it is to evaluate players and spend real, actual money on them, put such a high value on Anguissa, but a small group of amateur, armchair enthusiasts can see the real truth of his worthlessness. As for a nice comparison of his relative value, Declan Rice, who was widely creamed over, and who most think is a nailed on starter for England for the foreseeable future, is valued at well over 50mil. He has scored 5 goals in his 178 total appearances for West Ham, a rate of 1 every 36 games, and his 6 total assists gives him only a slightly better rate. Essentially 1 goal and 1 assist per season. Where are the cries of "no end product"?
Silva prefers a formation of playing a "double pivot", with 2 defensive midfielders anchoring behind a central attacking midfielder. This formation was also very often used by Parker, (and Southgate, too, with Rice and Phillips as the pivots). Btw, Kalvin Phillips has a slightly higher goal rate of 12 scored in 212 appearances, but still less than 2 per season (and he's valued at close to 40mil). When playing this system, either of the pivots has the ability to surge forwards in support of the attack as the opportunity arises, and the other hangs back to cover. In our case, it was more often Anguissa who took (created, actually) those forward runs, and Reed who hung back. They are a very complementary pair, and I, for one, will be sorry to see them broken up.
That said, if we can get someone like Grimes to play alongside Reed, I would be more than satisfied. The worry is who would play the Cairney role in front of them at present (as he's injured) and in the future (as he'll likely be rotated over 46 games to give his knee a rest). I wonder if that might be Wilson or Carvalho, or potentially someone new?
I'm excited to see how Silva sets the team up and gets them playing. He also seems to be more actively involved in recruitment, and hopefully we'll see the Muniz saga reach fruition soon.
I'm actually really looking forward to the possibilities this season.
You're all going on like it's Lionel Messi or something. Anguissa has showed glimpses of how good he could be but he's never really been a star player, his record shows that. If he doesn't want to play for us, we need to sell him ASAP and replace him with someone who wants to play football.
Quote from: sonnyjim on August 12, 2021, 06:26:24 PM
You're all going on like it's Lionel Messi or something. Anguissa has showed glimpses of how good he could be but he's never really been a star player, his record shows that. If he doesn't want to play for us, we need to sell him ASAP and replace him with someone who wants to play football.
I'll drink to that 🍻
Quote from: Nick Bateman on August 11, 2021, 04:29:12 PM
If the manager cannot motivate Anguissa then that is the MANAGER'S problem. I always compared Anguissa to Patrick Vieira and as has been stated, yes he sometimes plays within himself. However watching that shambles against the primitive tactics of Neil Warnock, Fulham needed someone with central midfield prescence, something Anguissa possesses.
One must take issue with some of the fickle Fulham fans who decry such a talented individual when we are playing juniors like Francois & Cavalho who opponents will eat for breakfast! Observe Mitrovic's effort and much as I am an admirer his work rate is woeful. Doubt if Anguissa can do less and one has to believe in a decent manager being able to get the most out of his players, otherwise Silva is not fit for purpose.
One has to disagree old chap. Motivation comes from within, a manager might provide some support but if Anguissa can't motivate himself that is most certainly his problem. One would hasten to suggest.
Quote from: Twig on August 12, 2021, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: Nick Bateman on August 11, 2021, 04:29:12 PM
If the manager cannot motivate Anguissa then that is the MANAGER'S problem. I always compared Anguissa to Patrick Vieira and as has been stated, yes he sometimes plays within himself. However watching that shambles against the primitive tactics of Neil Warnock, Fulham needed someone with central midfield prescence, something Anguissa possesses.
One must take issue with some of the fickle Fulham fans who decry such a talented individual when we are playing juniors like Francois & Cavalho who opponents will eat for breakfast! Observe Mitrovic's effort and much as I am an admirer his work rate is woeful. Doubt if Anguissa can do less and one has to believe in a decent manager being able to get the most out of his players, otherwise Silva is not fit for purpose.
One has to disagree old chap. Motivation comes from within, a manager might provide some support but if Anguissa can't motivate himself that is most certainly his problem. One would hasten to suggest.
Motivation definitely comes from inside, but only a fool has unrelenting confidence in their ability, especially in such a volatile and mental sport like football (all are but the criticism is far greater in football and much more intense). Sometimes that dips, especially if your Motivation and ambitions are intense and your reality doesn't marry up. That's part if management, the best managers have that sensitivity to know how to relate to players, make them feel valued and then enable them to play to their uninhibited best. Motivators. There'll be things that motivate Anguissa its just a question of what and how to unwrap them.
OR that he's been unwrapped and that's about as good as he's gonna get
Quite to the point General. One failed to see Mitrovic motivated last weekend also which indicates to me that Silva is either not paying attention to his squad, too busy posing as a character from Scarface, or not observant watching pitch-side. To allow West Brom's anthropomorphic brigands to out-muscle a couple of ill-equipped youth debutees in midfield was lamentable. The fact he made no changes until too late cost Fulham 2 points. One expects much higher standards than this mediocrity.
Silva needs to get his finger out, and pronto!
I just wish they would hurry up and sell him so we can use the money in the transfer window. We all know he is going (especially if he doesn't play this weekend)
The end of the first premier league season he was awesome. Last season he started in the same vein but tailed off. I don't think he had the right mindset for a fight so I'm not sure he would set the championship alight.
Quote from: Max Headroom on August 12, 2021, 11:46:36 PM
I just wish they would hurry up and sell him so we can use the money in the transfer window. We all know he is going (especially if he doesn't play this weekend)
The end of the first premier league season he was awesome. Last season he started in the same vein but tailed off. I don't think he had the right mindset for a fight so I'm not sure he would set the championship alight.
I've posed the question before, but did he not have a bad dose of Covid round about the turn of the year which took him some to time to get over and after which he never recovered his early season form?
Quote from: Tonywa on August 13, 2021, 09:49:41 AM
Quote from: Max Headroom on August 12, 2021, 11:46:36 PM
I just wish they would hurry up and sell him so we can use the money in the transfer window. We all know he is going (especially if he doesn't play this weekend)
The end of the first premier league season he was awesome. Last season he started in the same vein but tailed off. I don't think he had the right mindset for a fight so I'm not sure he would set the championship alight.
I've posed the question before, but did he not have a bad dose of Covid round about the turn of the year which took him some to time to get over and after which he never recovered his early season form?
Yeah exactly that. Same as Lookman. This is what worries me with Muniz and the Covid reports
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Quote from: Max Headroom on August 12, 2021, 11:46:36 PM
I just wish they would hurry up and sell him so we can use the money in the transfer window. We all know he is going (especially if he doesn't play this weekend)
The end of the first premier league season he was awesome. Last season he started in the same vein but tailed off. I don't think he had the right mindset for a fight so I'm not sure he would set the championship alight.
I've posed the question before, but did he not have a bad dose of Covid round about the turn of the year which took him some to time to get over and after which he never recovered his early season form?
Yeah exactly that. Same as Lookman. This is what worries me with Muniz and the Covid reports
Covid or not Frank has always been the same in my book, plays some really nice stuff then reverts to being useless and giving the ball away in some dangerous places. Then there is the fact of his goal tally, which you can count across 2 seasons on all the fingers on my left foot. He was never the player I hoped he would be certainly in the Premiership and although he doesn't think so maybe more best suited to the Champioship.
It's true Bill2
A good season in the championship could of been the best thing for him as a player, confidence wise especially
Quote from: Nick Bateman on August 12, 2021, 11:19:33 PM
Quite to the point General. One failed to see Mitrovic motivated last weekend also which indicates to me that Silva is either not paying attention to his squad, too busy posing as a character from Scarface, or not observant watching pitch-side. To allow West Brom's anthropomorphic brigands to out-muscle a couple of ill-equipped youth debutees in midfield was lamentable. The fact he made no changes until too late cost Fulham 2 points. One expects much higher standards than this mediocrity.
Silva needs to get his finger out, and pronto!
Scarface 🤔
Having a pop at Silva already for playing youth ? Personally I'm happy he's got the balls too
Quote from: Nick Bateman on August 12, 2021, 11:19:33 PM
Quite to the point General. One failed to see Mitrovic motivated last weekend also which indicates to me that Silva is either not paying attention to his squad, too busy posing as a character from Scarface, or not observant watching pitch-side. To allow West Brom's anthropomorphic brigands to out-muscle a couple of ill-equipped youth debutees in midfield was lamentable. The fact he made no changes until too late cost Fulham 2 points. One expects much higher standards than this mediocrity.
Silva needs to get his finger out, and pronto!
FFC appointed our Manager and as the huddersfield result shows he does have ability
and perhaps your opinion is incorrect not that someone as opinionated as yourself would
ever admit that.
Made his league debut for Napoli today. Vs. Juventus.
Played in Seri's role.
Napoli won 2-1 off a stupid own goal header. Frank played the full 90 minutes. Performed 3 backheals... (to be fair...didn't lead to scores)
Solid Anguissa game...only a 6 out of 10 imo.
Hope he plays well for Napoli this season so they purchase him for a fair price. We can then use those funds to help bring in two players next season.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 12, 2021, 08:51:04 PM
Hope he plays well for Napoli this season so they purchase him for a fair price. We can then use those funds to help bring in two players next season.
This for me 100%
By far one of the most overrated lumps I've witnessed in a Fulham shirt
Quote from: perry geyton on September 12, 2021, 09:51:58 PM
By far one of the most overrated lumps I've witnessed in a Fulham shirt
by far you are one of the most annoying, full of s posters on this forum recently
Piri, you have an admirer hahahaha
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Piri, you have an admirer hahahaha
That almost hurt my feelings Bongo I gotta admit
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Quote from: Max Headroom on August 12, 2021, 11:46:36 PM
I just wish they would hurry up and sell him so we can use the money in the transfer window. We all know he is going (especially if he doesn't play this weekend)
The end of the first premier league season he was awesome. Last season he started in the same vein but tailed off. I don't think he had the right mindset for a fight so I'm not sure he would set the championship alight.
I've posed the question before, but did he not have a bad dose of Covid round about the turn of the year which took him some to time to get over and after which he never recovered his early season form?
Funny how Anguissa's long Covid cleared up and he plays 90 mins as Napoli beat Juventus and go top of Serie A. Maybe his long covid cleared up on the private jet over?
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Hope he plays well for Napoli this season so they purchase him for a fair price. We can then use those funds to help bring in two players next season.
This for me 100%
Me too
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Hope he plays well for Napoli this season so they purchase him for a fair price. We can then use those funds to help bring in two players next season.
This for me 100%
Me too
Add me to that list too
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Hope he plays well for Napoli this season so they purchase him for a fair price. We can then use those funds to help bring in two players next season.
This for me 100%
Me too
Add me to that list too
May I join this club please
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Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 12, 2021, 08:51:04 PM
Hope he plays well for Napoli this season so they purchase him for a fair price. We can then use those funds to help bring in two players next season.
This for me 100%
Me too
Add me to that list too
May I join this club please
Or he comes back when we are promoted and plays a blinder.
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Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 12, 2021, 08:51:04 PM
Hope he plays well for Napoli this season so they purchase him for a fair price. We can then use those funds to help bring in two players next season.
This for me 100%
Me too
Add me to that list too
May I join this club please
Or he comes back when we are promoted and plays a blinder.
I want him to do incredibly well for Napoli so we can command the highest possible fee for him but I don't want to see him playing for us again, and I don't think he should get another chance to waltz straight back into the team if we go up.
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Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 12, 2021, 08:51:04 PM
Hope he plays well for Napoli this season so they purchase him for a fair price. We can then use those funds to help bring in two players next season.
This for me 100%
Me too
Add me to that list too
May I join this club please
Or he comes back when we are promoted and plays a blinder.
I want him to do incredibly well for Napoli so we can command the highest possible fee for him but I don't want to see him playing for us again, and I don't think he should get another chance to waltz straight back into the team if we go up.
Have to agree. He's had his chances, now we need to part company.
Quote from: blingo on August 08, 2021, 05:21:14 PM
And he can take that knob Seri with him.
Unfair and not correct
Glad he is not playing for us he would just go through the motions, walks off the pitch at the end of each match looking like he has just come out the dry cleaners.
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Quote from: blingo on August 08, 2021, 05:21:14 PM
And he can take that knob Seri with him.
Unfair and not correct
Roger, to be fair to Blingo that was an older post. Seri has started this season pretty well so may have changed the opinions of a few posters on here.
Yeah agree about Seri, one of the first names on the team sheet for me
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And he can take that knob Seri with him.
Unfair and not correct
Roger, to be fair to Blingo that was an older post. Seri has started this season pretty well so may have changed the opinions of a few posters on here.
Rather than "changed opinions" I'd say "corrected silly opinions"
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Quote from: blingo on August 08, 2021, 05:21:14 PM
And he can take that knob Seri with him.
Unfair and not correct
Roger, to be fair to Blingo that was an older post. Seri has started this season pretty well so may have changed the opinions of a few posters on here.
Rather than "changed opinions" I'd say "corrected silly opinions"
Ah but I'm not as judgemental as you!
