So it all kicks off today! :wine:
Russia vs Saudi Arabia up first.
Who do we fancy for this one?
Hard to see past Russia winning, they will be fired up, home crowd and fearful of they mess up that Putin will punish them!!! Seriously though, bookies are offering 10-1 for A scoreline of 2-1 which I think is a good bet. Both teams will be raring to go and should be a high tempo game with the whole world watching.
Whoever loses, the players will have a bleak future.
Saudi, please.
Quote from: gmosullivan on June 14, 2018, 12:22:41 PM
Hard to see past Russia winning, they will be fired up, home crowd and fearful of they mess up that Putin will punish them!!! Seriously though, bookies are offering 10-1 for A scoreline of 2-1 which I think is a good bet. Both teams will be raring to go and should be a high tempo game with the whole world watching.
Think that's too good to pass up, worth at least a fiver on.
Don't really care. I'm waiting for the USA v Italy match. .......and waiting...
Saudi Arabia were no great sheikhs.
Great game I thought, I think Russia's seeding is very very unrealistic, as they haven't played a competitive game in two years as hosts, etc.
If Salah is not 100%, I think Russia will get out of the group.
Hmm I thought Russia must have folded under the pressure, so fancied a draw.
The Saudi defence was just awful. Are we looking at consecutive World Cups without an Asian side into the 2nd round?
Mitro in action on Sunday.
125-1 for top goalscorer. Perhaps each way top 4 goal scorers at 31/1 is a better bet?
Quote from: Milo on June 15, 2018, 01:19:41 AM
Mitro in action on Sunday.
125-1 for top goalscorer. Perhaps each way top 4 goal scorers at 31/1 is a better bet?
Yeah that's worth a look. Doesn't look like a group where goals will be too easy to come by, however.
I didn't see the game but heard something about some singer making a gesture at the camera. Does anyone know what that was all about and whom the gesture was aimed at?
It seems a bit ungracious if he was being paid to perform there.
As good a player Ronaldo is I just hate his cheating & play acting. For his pen he hung out his right leg to make contact with the defender. Deserved a booking. 2 mins later he was fouled & went down clutching his face. There was no contact any way near his face. Another booking for simulation & off. But the weak refs do nothing as it´s Ronaldo.
Replay suggests differently re penalty Great game though. Could easily be 2 all after half an hour.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on June 15, 2018, 07:30:57 PM
Replay suggests differently re penalty Great game though. Could easily be 2 all after half an hour.
I agree about the quality of the game but I am still convinced that Ronaldo conjured the pen. Did you see the smile he gave Nacho as if to say " I´m too clever for you & the ref."
I don't like him either but the penalty was legitimate. Second half promises to be something special. I can't see Portugal parking a bus successfully against these Spanish magicians, but Portugal's counter attacks are wonderfully dangerous.
Quote from: Holders on June 15, 2018, 10:53:16 AM
I didn't see the game but heard something about some singer making a gesture at the camera. Does anyone know what that was all about and whom the gesture was aimed at?
It seems a bit ungracious if he was being paid to perform there.
Apparently the singer RB was performing without payment, and stuck two fingers up at the transgender mob, who had criticised him for performing in anti gay Russia.
However, he embarrassed himself by carrying out that gesture, loses respect and any credibility, he should rise above the T G merchants, they have far too much time on their hands
Not a smart thing to do, shows ignorance.
What a game. Poor old England would get slaughtered by either of these sides.
Terrific entertainment.
Just talk us through Ronaldo's options with that free-kick again, Danny.
Quote from: grandad on June 15, 2018, 08:20:08 PM
What a game. Poor old England would get slaughtered by either of these sides.
Easily we would be cheated out of the game by these two diving nations.
They are a disgrace, but especially that "*#@ Portuguese no 7
I hate it - with the skill these players have surely there's no need for this type of blatant cheating?
Really hope we get a better standard of reffing!
I actually really hate Ronald with a passion!
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Quote from: grandad on June 15, 2018, 08:20:08 PM
What a game. Poor old England would get slaughtered by either of these sides.
Easily we would be cheated out of the game by these two diving nations.
They are a disgrace, but especially that "*#@ Portuguese no 7
I hate it - with the skill these players have surely there's no need for this type of blatant cheating?
Really hope we get a better standard of reffing!
I actually really hate Ronald with a passion!
I tend to agree with you about the cheating. I have never understood why top players feel they have to resort to cheating, diving, feigning injury, pretending to be hit in the face. Does it become natural for them or are they coached to do it due to their natural skills.?
Spain v Portugal was a great game. It would be nice to have one or two more like that. Now it seems to me that the team that can beat Spain can win the World cup but it is unlikely to be England.
With The Spain Portugal game the World Cup for the neural can only get worse ?
Surely this will be seen as
- the best game
- the best free kick
- the best volley goal
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Australia v France - Two Aussie central defenders were impressive. France were awful and were play acting from the start. Still a win is a win. More use of VAR and it doesn't take the talking points or controversy out of the game. Still hard to see why France had a penalty.
Why is VAR not acting on the cheating. Ronaldo - as good as he is, is a seasoned cheat, yet again he pretty much admits it with the rye grin after the event. VAR is there they need to use it for such incidents also.
Australia hard done by there. Great defensively and very unlucky with the penalty and goal.
Not going to lie, but watching the world cup makes me want the new season to start even more ...
Such a shame to see Jedinak lose...... again.....😎😎😎😎
A brick in the White Wall
Good to see Iceland holding on for the draw. Again VAR makes the wrong decisions IMO but I am getting fed up with the system already. Good to see an ex Fulham player still doing his job for Iceland. Why it never worked out for him here remains a bit of a mystery.
Watching Peru v Denmark on mute 🤐
So disappointed those blooming vuvuzela's are back.
Our man Kvist just stretchered off
Watched the Danny Baker World Cup Brush Up the other day, on iPlayer.
Very amusing indeed, well with a watch and not the usual old clips being rolled out. In fact I don't think I have seen any of them before.
To see Kevin Keegan make Kenneth Williams crack up laughing with a quip about Millwall is worth it on its own.
And that old English Mascot guy getting his hat knocked off with some fish and chips...
And Pickles the Dog Update on Blue Peter...
Haha, great stuff.
Missed watching that Spain Portugal game as working, but very impressive stuff from Ronaldo. The penalty was fine for me, he went to try to get one, and the defender fell.for it.
But that Free Kick, fantastic and kind of gave the defender a head shave on the side too.
The penalty wasn't in my view, a player of his calibre was perfectly capable of staying on his feet. However, the free kick was outstanding.
Have we been linked to any of this Croatia team playing this evening??
These are the players who have played in the World Cup who have signed directly following a World Cup . Have I missed anyone?
2018
Mitrovic?
2014
-Adam Taggart (Australia)
2010
-Rafik Halliche (Algeria)
-Carlos Salcido (Mexico)
2002
-Pierre Wome (Cameroon)
-extended Junichi Inamotos loan (Japan)
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 16, 2018, 01:07:20 PM
Australia v France - Two Aussie central defenders were impressive. France were awful and were play acting from the start. Still a win is a win. More use of VAR and it doesn't take the talking points or controversy out of the game. Still hard to see why France had a penalty.
I think we were well and truly ripped off. An English ref would never have allowed than pen. Sainsbury was immense in defence. If Rogic had had some sort of game we might have at least got a draw. Rogic is such a talent but goes missing in big matches.
Quote from: the nutflush on June 17, 2018, 01:33:10 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 16, 2018, 01:07:20 PM
Australia v France - Two Aussie central defenders were impressive. France were awful and were play acting from the start. Still a win is a win. More use of VAR and it doesn't take the talking points or controversy out of the game. Still hard to see why France had a penalty.
I think we were well and truly ripped off. An English ref would never have allowed than pen. Sainsbury was immense in defence. If Rogic had had some sort of game we might have at least got a draw. Rogic is such a talent but goes missing in big matches.
Ridiculous use of VAR. Still got the decision wrong. Got to be honest, I am not a fan of it at all. They play on for half a minute, stop the game and then review a penalty call. It disrupts the game so much and they still got it wrong.
Have to say I heard Sainsbury's name every 2 minutes. He was immense and thought I wouldn't mind seeing him in a white shirt. Is he consistently that good?
Quote from: Newry FFC on June 17, 2018, 01:22:33 AM
These are the players who have played in the World Cup who have signed directly following a World Cup . Have I missed anyone
2018
Mitrovic?
2014
-Adam Taggart (Australia)
2010
-Rafik Halliche (Algeria)
-Carlos Salcido (Mexico)
2002
-Pierre Wome (Cameroon)
-extended Junichi Inamotos loan (Japan)
Seem to remember Clint Dempsey scoring against England?
Quote from: Sgt Fulham on June 17, 2018, 10:49:24 AM
Quote from: the nutflush on June 17, 2018, 01:33:10 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 16, 2018, 01:07:20 PM
Australia v France - Two Aussie central defenders were impressive. France were awful and were play acting from the start. Still a win is a win. More use of VAR and it doesn't take the talking points or controversy out of the game. Still hard to see why France had a penalty.
I think we were well and truly ripped off. An English ref would never have allowed than pen. Sainsbury was immense in defence. If Rogic had had some sort of game we might have at least got a draw. Rogic is such a talent but goes missing in big matches.
Ridiculous use of VAR. Still got the decision wrong. Got to be honest, I am not a fan of it at all. They play on for half a minute, stop the game and then review a penalty call. It disrupts the game so much and they still got it wrong.
Have to say I heard Sainsbury's name every 2 minutes. He was immense and thought I wouldn't mind seeing him in a white shirt. Is he consistently that good?
Hes improved a mile in the last couple of years. Is now one of our most important players. He was going to take the captains armband if Jedinak didn't play so that's how high he is rated by Van Marwijk. I put him in the Tim Ream mould. A bit of a late bloomer. Look what Tim did this season...
If he has another game like that against Denmark then he wont be playing club football where he is now for very long.
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Quote from: Newry FFC on June 17, 2018, 01:22:33 AM
These are the players who have played in the World Cup who have signed directly following a World Cup . Have I missed anyone
2018
Mitrovic?
2014
-Adam Taggart (Australia)
2010
-Rafik Halliche (Algeria)
-Carlos Salcido (Mexico)
2002
-Pierre Wome (Cameroon)
-extended Junichi Inamotos loan (Japan)
Seem to remember Clint Dempsey scoring against England?
He scored in 2006 WC. Fairly certain he didn't join us until Jan 2007. I'm on about signing directly after a World Cup
I think he scored in 2010 and was already with us.
Apart from ex Fulham players Riuz and Mitrovic are there any others at the World Cup? I noticed Dejagah an unused sub for Iran the other day.
Quote from: VicHalomsLovechild on June 17, 2018, 12:56:11 PM
Apart from ex Fulham players Riuz and Mitrovic are there any others at the World Cup? I noticed Dejagah an unused sub for Iran the other day.
Ragnar Sigurdsson is playing for Iceland. We have a former youth player that starts for Nigeria.
Don't think there is anyone else.
:54:
https://youtu.be/fsRP2_aN7Qw
Good video there about how the actual football itself can change the way we see the game / goals.
I think the old Telstar is the perfect balance monochrome design (if not the panels), really makes shots on goal appear to fizz, or curl, etc.
The new Telstar-ish ball isn't bad at all, and the stunningness of Nachos fizzler for Spain was surely the epitome of this affect.
Bloody Beautiful.
Impressed by the standard of Football in the Serbia vs Costa Rica game so far. Mitro vs Ruiz.
Sub Mitro he's looking too good now 1up after foul on him
Quote from: Tabby on June 17, 2018, 12:59:49 PM
Quote from: VicHalomsLovechild on June 17, 2018, 12:56:11 PM
Apart from ex Fulham players Riuz and Mitrovic are there any others at the World Cup? I noticed Dejagah an unused sub for Iran the other day.
Ragnar Sigurdsson is playing for Iceland. We have a former youth player that starts for Nigeria.
Don't think there is anyone else.
Kvist
Great to see Mexico beat Germany. Deserved and hopefully will give many teams a bit of a problem on the break.
Quote from: Tabby on June 17, 2018, 12:59:49 PM
Quote from: VicHalomsLovechild on June 17, 2018, 12:56:11 PM
Apart from ex Fulham players Riuz and Mitrovic are there any others at the World Cup? I noticed Dejagah an unused sub for Iran the other day.
Ragnar Sigurdsson is playing for Iceland. We have a former youth player that starts for Nigeria.
Don't think there is anyone else.
We forgot Dembele!
Panama picking up an impressive number of yellow cards, I expect a red or two to follow shortly.
Watching Dembele... he doesn't really make himself available does he.. doesn't work hard enough to get into space. He's always ambled about the pitch but I do notice this could be construed as laziness actually given he rarely touches the ball.
VAR misses an obvious penalty for England. It really is a complete joke.
I didn't like VAR before this game. It's really getting on my nerves now.
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 18, 2018, 07:57:27 PM
VAR misses an obvious penalty for England. It really is a complete joke.
So does it automatically look at it?
Or does the ref need to request it?
Also.. does the TV coverage show the VAR viewpoint being analysed?
If the Dabbers and co had bothered putting the ball in the net when it mattered in the first half no one would be even mentioning VAR right now
I thought that the Kane wrestle was six of one and half a dozen of the other.
Maybe Fulham should get that Kane guy...? :005:
England might have scraped a win but were generally so poor. Like 11 players playing together for the 1st time. Kane is the only player who looks like he knows what he is doing.
Don't get too excited!
We just struggled to beat a team that wasn't interested in playing.
How they could have done with Sess (and Kamara).
Quote from: grandad on June 18, 2018, 08:53:44 PM
England might have scraped a win but were generally so poor. Like 11 players playing together for the 1st time. Kane is the only player who looks like he knows what he is doing.
Disagree. We did okay. Before the penalty we were excellent.
I thought Tunisia did well. Caused trouble with their pace out of defence.Deserved a draw.
Quote from: Stefan The Viking (The Moose) on June 18, 2018, 08:59:14 PM
Quote from: grandad on June 18, 2018, 08:53:44 PM
England might have scraped a win but were generally so poor. Like 11 players playing together for the 1st time. Kane is the only player who looks like he knows what he is doing.
Disagree. We did okay. Before the penalty we were excellent.
We were fine before the (dodgy) pen. Kane could have had two for fouls on him but second half we were trying to pass it in when we should have been running at them - like Sess and Kamara would have. Rashford was an improvement when he came on.
This thing doesn't really get going until the knockout phases. A win without playing champagne football is fine. We have some decent forwards and a "big men up from the back" option that's effective.
Harry Maguire being talked up as a playmaker on the beeb. This should ring alarm bells. Tunisia gave him the run of the pitch for reasons that are not flattering.
England missed three or four chances. Had an iffy penalty given against them and had two clear cut penalties missed by VAR. Tunisia were niggly and tetchy but were never close to scoring other than the penalty. England deserved the win and it was far from lucky. But we were certainly pedestrian in the second half compared to the first.
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on June 18, 2018, 08:54:20 PM
Don't get too excited!
We just struggled to beat a team that wasn't interested in playing.
Well this is every euro or world cup group game we ever play. I'm quite excited we got through this. Not expecting us to win the thing but it's nice to finally get what we deserve.
Quote from: grandad on June 18, 2018, 08:59:21 PM
I thought Tunisia did well. Caused trouble with their pace out of defence.Deserved a draw.
No because we should have had two stone wall pens. And Tunisia were very limited we were far and away the better side. We played the football, had far more shots on goal, dominated possession, had more corners...... In what way did we not deserve to win?
Poland 0-1 Senegal
Iran against Spain. Pundits complaining about Iran playacting. I wonder where Iran players would have got the idea from? Possibly among the worst offenders, Spain maybe?
Maybe it's just me but WCs don't seem to have the glamour these days?
Remember watching unkown players from the African countries in particular & the commentators would speculate if they'd be good enough to play in England. These days, those players have probably already been signed by the age of 10 to clubs in Spain, Italy or Ch*lsea.
Quote from: SP on June 20, 2018, 08:31:21 PM
Maybe it's just me but WCs don't seem to have the glamour these days?
Remember watching unkown players from the African countries in particular & the commentators would speculate if they'd be good enough to play in England. These days, those players have probably already been signed by the age of 10 to clubs in Spain, Italy or Ch*lsea.
It's just you. I'm loving it so far
What better way of spending your Friday evening than watching Mitro?
Quote from: SP on June 20, 2018, 08:31:21 PM
Maybe it's just me but WCs don't seem to have the glamour these days?
Remember watching unkown players from the African countries in particular & the commentators would speculate if they'd be good enough to play in England. These days, those players have probably already been signed by the age of 10 to clubs in Spain, Italy or Ch*lsea.
Not being funny, but how old are you?
There've been top African players in the European leagues for years.
Staying on the OP thread just World Cup, who else has noticed the really high level of fouling and gamesmanship going unpunished. It seems it's an accepted part of the game. I hate it with a passion.
Quote from: bobbo on June 21, 2018, 08:12:00 PM
Staying on the OP thread just World Cup, who else has noticed the really high level of fouling and gamesmanship going unpunished. It seems it's an accepted part of the game. I hate it with a passion.
Also an amazing amount of toe and foot stamping. Seems to be the new craze.
Beckham (whilst in China) predicted an Argentina vs England final :005:
I think Maradona was right here about Messi...
https://youtu.be/llktgY7ppBI
Absolutely one of the Great Players, but his one big weakness is a lack of leadership / personality. All the great players have this, except him. I have seen him play well at times and in spurts for Argentina, but looks like they are done now in 2018, and he didn't seem to make an impression at all.
He made me laugh the Argentina manager he must have worn his shoes out walking back and forward on touchline, then he took his jacket off and he looked like an extra from the Sopranos.😉
Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on June 21, 2018, 10:28:01 PM
I think Maradona was right here about Messi...
https://youtu.be/llktgY7ppBI
Absolutely one of the Great Players, but his one big weakness is a lack of leadership / personality. All the great players have this, except him. I have seen him play well at times and in spurts for Argentina, but looks like they are done now in 2018, and he didn't seem to make an impression at all.
The difference with him and Ronaldo is the latter can turn it on at International level Messi always seems lost.
He is a great player,but it has been easy playing for a club like Barca all his career,that's the difference with other great players playing to his strength, Argentina haven't got them imo.
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 18, 2018, 09:40:03 PM
England missed three or four chances. Had an iffy penalty given against them and had two clear cut penalties missed by VAR. Tunisia were niggly and tetchy but were never close to scoring other than the penalty. England deserved the win and it was far from lucky. But we were certainly pedestrian in the second half compared to the first.
That was my reading of proceedings too. The squandered chances were almost easier to score from than the two that were taken. Kane had composure when others had none and that is why we had to scrap for the win.
Those Brazilians left it late! Still not a fan of Neymar.
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on June 22, 2018, 02:57:30 PM
Those Brazilians left it late! Still not a fan of Neymar.
very unlucky for costa rica. brasil clearly better but did not deserve to win like that. neymar is totally loathsome.
Quote from: nose returns on June 22, 2018, 03:01:47 PM
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on June 22, 2018, 02:57:30 PM
Those Brazilians left it late! Still not a fan of Neymar.
very unlucky for costa rica. brasil clearly better but did not deserve to win like that. neymar is totally loathsome.
Well he is only five years old. Just needs his parents to slap his legs and told to grow up.
Just showed this on the BBC, Argentinan Football TV show holding a minute's silence after the Croatia defeat...
https://youtu.be/8xg9w3baOVc
Hahahaha
I wish FIFA would issue retrospective yellows for all the diving and feigning injury. Neymar should have been booked for his comical dive to try and con the ref into giving a penalty. The waving of the hand to the ref asking for a yellow card should straight away be rewarded with a yellow for the player doing that. I had thought FIFA were going to crack down on all this but they don't seem to be bothered.
Quote from: cookieg on June 22, 2018, 04:11:37 PM
I wish FIFA would issue retrospective yellows for all the diving and feigning injury. Neymar should have been booked for his comical dive to try and con the ref into giving a penalty. The waving of the hand to the ref asking for a yellow card should straight away be rewarded with a yellow for the player doing that. I had thought FIFA were going to crack down on all this but they don't seem to be bothered.
Fully agree, the player is lower than a snakes belly.
Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on June 22, 2018, 03:41:32 PM
Just showed this on the BBC, Argentinan Football TV show holding a minute's silence after the Croatia defeat...
https://youtu.be/8xg9w3baOVc
Hahahaha
I love it, let's hope they can extend that minutes silence for a few more minutes, Like ten years worth.
Which is 5,256,000 minutes if anyone is interested.
It could not have happened to a more deserving team.
Individual piece on Mitros threat on BBC pre the game tonight...
Mitro starting shortly - I've got a bit on him as first AND last goal scorer. And motm. I heart Mitro.
Mitro just scored right on que.
Oh dear
Quote from: The Rock on June 22, 2018, 06:57:47 PM
Mitro starting shortly - I've got a bit on him as first AND last goal scorer. And motm. I heart Mitro.
5 mins in, and he scores. Monster!
There's a few more quid on his fee. Nice header.
Pay that man his money!
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1jUBbCgMWmE/hqdefault.jpg)
Lampard just described this game as the Mitrovic show.
Linekar said "Mitros on fire"..
My worst nightmare.......Superb player
Think he might get another this half.
and only 23
Quote from: Fernhurst on June 22, 2018, 08:02:14 PM
My worst nightmare.......Superb player
Think he might get another this half.
yep I think we have missed the boat with him.will be out of our price range by the end of the wc
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Quote from: Fernhurst on June 22, 2018, 08:02:14 PM
My worst nightmare.......Superb player
Think he might get another this half.
yep I think we have missed the boat with him.will be out of our price range by the end of the wc
Think the club knows this will happen,hence the interest in Ayew.
You can see how worried Switzerland are about Mitro - just had two defenders holding him down when a cross came in! Clear penalty. First Kane, now Mitro. What's the point of VAR if this sort of thing's not flagged up?!
Mitro just denied a clear penalty for two players wrestling him to the ground. As clear as the two England should have been awarded. I have had it with VAR and cr4p officials. Totally hopeless, inept rubbish.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on June 22, 2018, 08:19:25 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on June 22, 2018, 08:16:34 PM
Quote from: Fernhurst on June 22, 2018, 08:02:14 PM
My worst nightmare.......Superb player
Think he might get another this half.
yep I think we have missed the boat with him.will be out of our price range by the end of the wc
Think the club knows this will happen,hence the interest in Ayew.
not sure what's worse, that we see ayew as a replacement or that we would be stupid enough to sign another African when there is another African nations cup this year
First Harry Kane wrestled to the ground by one defender....
Now Mitro securely held by two defenders and wrestled down in similar style.....
...how many need to assault a player to get a pen in this World Cup?
Switzerland win by two falls to one
They haven't given a single penalty for wrestling in the area. I guess fouling is okay as long as you don't kick this WC.
Luckily for us Mitro tired and Serbia weren't able to get it to him in as many dangerous positions.
We might just hang on to him if he's quiet against Brazil!
Really need someone from FIFA to step forward and explain why that was not a penalty !!
Quote from: Fernhurst on June 22, 2018, 09:06:11 PM
Really need someone from FIFA to step forward and explain why that was not a penalty !!
The arms of god can be the only answer.
Shockingly clear penalty not given although hardly surprising as German ref appointed to neighbours (same language) Switzerland. FIFA knew this!
Quote from: Nick Bateman on June 22, 2018, 10:33:38 PM
Shockingly clear penalty not given although hardly surprising as German ref appointed to neighbours (same language) Switzerland. FIFA knew this!
Very odd thing to say - the refs nationality had nothing to do with it. Anyway, the Swiss don't just speak German - they have several principal languages, including French and Italian.
FIFA take bribes and organise a World Cup in the most corrupt Country in the World. Yet we are shocked that decisions oddly only help the big teams even when they are not playing.
Missed the Serbia game, we have to be happy with that result though. Mitro coming home early suits all parties.
Quote from: Stefan The Viking (The Moose) on June 22, 2018, 11:58:59 PM
Missed the Serbia game, we have to be happy with that result though. Mitro coming home early suits all parties.
Keep your fingers crossed he doesn't score a hat trick against Brazil while Costa Rica turn over the Swiss 😲
Mr Ruiz always manages to get one over on us
Mitrovic was good against Switzerland yesterday. That goal has put them in trouble though hopefully he is away from the World Cup next week then goes on holiday & in 3/4 weeks time seals his move to Fulham.
Quote from: MrFFC on June 23, 2018, 06:54:56 AM
Mitrovic was good against Switzerland yesterday. That goal has put them in trouble though hopefully he is away from the World Cup next week then goes on holiday & in 3/4 weeks time seals his move to Fulham.
personally I think that goal puts Brazil in trouble. Swiss will get a draw against Costa at least and Serbia will beat this Brazil team
If Belgium don't win today I will be EXTREMELY disappointed ...
Quote from: MrFFC on June 23, 2018, 06:54:56 AM
Mitrovic was good against Switzerland yesterday. That goal has put them in trouble though hopefully he is away from the World Cup next week then goes on holiday & in 3/4 weeks time seals his move to Fulham.
That is getting close to the Palace match, If for some reason it fails we are likely to be in there again panic buying another striker at an inflated premiership price.
I watched Korea v Mexico this afternoon and while neither team are among the favourites it was a good game with a number of talented players on view.
It is easy to understand why the competition is looked upon as a shop window for big clubs and why clubs hold back on buying new players until after the competition.
We really should have wrapped up a deal with Newcastle for Mitrovic before the World Cup started.
Here we go again tonight.....can't have people giving penalties against Germany can we??!!!!
Quote from: ron on June 23, 2018, 07:17:19 PM
Here we go again tonight.....can't have people giving penalties against Germany can we??!!!!
Ridiculous to not even review it.
Terrible!!!!!
Looks like they're going to lose anyway!
Germany cannot defend at all.
Somehow Germany will find a win as they also bimmin do.
What a dreadful commentator on itv
Bleedin' Germany. They always seem to do it.
What changes ever?
That commentator spent the second half telling us that Germany was finished, now he's telling us that you can never rule them out......
A replay of that QPR game of ours....5 mins extra time and they score on 94.57.....
They won't go much further, they are a divided camp, and it shows. Sweden should have had a penalty as well. But that's VAR for you.
5 mins of extra time and they score in the 96th minute...
Happy days are here again.
Quote from: gezkc on June 23, 2018, 09:03:35 PM
5 mins of extra time and they score in the 96th minute...
Ferguson time?
They'll finish second in the group behind Mexico and have to play Brazil next round
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Quote from: Nick Bateman on June 22, 2018, 10:33:38 PM
Shockingly clear penalty not given although hardly surprising as German ref appointed to neighbours (same language) Switzerland. FIFA knew this!
Very odd thing to say - the refs nationality had nothing to do with it. Anyway, the Swiss don't just speak German - they have several principal languages, including French and Italian.
Err but German is the most widely spoken language in Switzerland. Italian in just two cantons, Romance in one and German far outweighs French across the remainder. But I do agree that the nationality of the ref was irrelevant. Just another example of rank bad officiating and VAR failure.
You watch they'll go win it now.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on June 24, 2018, 08:55:28 AM
You watch they'll go win it now.
Not while Saudi Arabia are still in it.
What shall I watch today? Cricket 5th ODI, French F1 GP, Tennis from Queens. Can´t be bothered with boring England in the WC. Prefer to watch top class sportsmen rather than a bunch of overpaid prima donnas.
Quote from: grandad on June 24, 2018, 11:40:36 AM
What shall I watch today? Cricket 5th ODI, French F1 GP, Tennis from Queens. Can´t be bothered with boring England in the WC. Prefer to watch top class sportsmen rather than a bunch of overpaid prima donnas.
Well I probably will watch the match but am interested in the tennis. All sports people are over paid but at least they seem to earn it in tennis.
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 24, 2018, 11:58:48 AM
Quote from: grandad on June 24, 2018, 11:40:36 AM
What shall I watch today? Cricket 5th ODI, French F1 GP, Tennis from Queens. Can´t be bothered with boring England in the WC. Prefer to watch top class sportsmen rather than a bunch of overpaid prima donnas.
Well I probably will watch the match but am interested in the tennis. All sports people are over paid but at least they seem to earn it in tennis.
Tennis players are probably the fittest sportsmen. They play virtually every day in ATP matches & every other day in Grand Slam. Games last between 2 & 5 hours. Players also spend hours on the practice courts. There is a very short closed season after the O2 tournament. Footballers in the PL play no more than 60 hours in a season plus a few cup games. They train for 4 or 5 days a week for just a few hours. The rest of their time is spent in tattoo parlours, betting shops or buying designer clothes.
WC refereeing under the spotlight again.
Loved the Panama player who got no punishment for elbowing the England now pleading with the ref to send Stirling off.
Least he awarded the penalty today.
Fantastic penalty by Kane.
I really hope England thrash this lot now - Panama are a dirty bunch of cheats.
The amount of pointless free kicks England are giving away is ridiculous.
Loftus-Cheek just gave away a free kick and got a yellow card for NO reason in their half.
I know they're all young but it's amateur stuff really. The coaches need to seriously get hold of them and remind them that cheap free kicks cost games.. especially when the other team have very little chance of scoring otherwise.
Football shirts look so much better without advertising slogans across the chest. Wow, a second for Stones.
This is great to watch - England are taking Panama apart!
Quote from: Milo on June 24, 2018, 01:26:36 PM
The amount of pointless free kicks England are giving away is ridiculous.
Loftus-Cheek just gave away a free kick and got a yellow card for NO reason in their half.
I know they're all young but it's amateur stuff really. The coaches need to seriously get hold of them and remind them that cheap free kicks cost games.. especially when the other team have very little chance of scoring otherwise.
For "amateurs" they are doing pretty well i'd Have said.
Quote from: gezkc on June 24, 2018, 01:43:13 PM
This is great to watch - England are taking Panama apart!
Don't get too carried away, they are about league 1 level by the look of it.
What is amateurish is the Panama defending of set pieces , in particular corners. Lets just congratulate and enjoy England putting in a dominant display.Hell they get bollocked enough and rightly so ,when things are not going to plan .
Quote from: Twig on June 24, 2018, 01:51:30 PM
Quote from: Milo on June 24, 2018, 01:26:36 PM
The amount of pointless free kicks England are giving away is ridiculous.
Loftus-Cheek just gave away a free kick and got a yellow card for NO reason in their half.
I know they're all young but it's amateur stuff really. The coaches need to seriously get hold of them and remind them that cheap free kicks cost games.. especially when the other team have very little chance of scoring otherwise.
For "amateurs" they are doing pretty well i'd Have said.
... It is clear I am not talking about the entire performance. Instead, trying to point out improvements for us against the better teams.
Against these better teams these cheap free kicks will cost us goals. A half decent delivery by a Brazilian or German winger and the likes of Gomez etc will capitalise. Also the cheap yellow from Loftus Cheek would have been costly 75 minutes into the game against such a team when we are under the cosh.
Six 6 of the best England. ⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on June 24, 2018, 01:54:42 PM
Quote from: gezkc on June 24, 2018, 01:43:13 PM
This is great to watch - England are taking Panama apart!
Don't get too carried away, they are about league 1 level by the look of it.
I don't care - England have never done this at a World Cup before.
Quote from: Milo on June 24, 2018, 02:10:39 PM
Quote from: Twig on June 24, 2018, 01:51:30 PM
Quote from: Milo on June 24, 2018, 01:26:36 PM
The amount of pointless free kicks England are giving away is ridiculous.
Loftus-Cheek just gave away a free kick and got a yellow card for NO reason in their half.
I know they're all young but it's amateur stuff really. The coaches need to seriously get hold of them and remind them that cheap free kicks cost games.. especially when the other team have very little chance of scoring otherwise.
For "amateurs" they are doing pretty well i'd Have said.
... It is clear I am not talking about the entire performance. Instead, trying to point out improvements for us against the better teams.
Against these better teams these cheap free kicks will cost us goals. A half decent delivery by a Brazilian or German winger and the likes of Gomez etc will capitalise. Also the cheap yellow from Loftus Cheek would have been costly 75 minutes into the game against such a team when we are under the cosh.
That goal illustrated the point really..
You have to take your hats off for Panama.They scored.
Well done England. Good performance.
Quote from: grandad on June 24, 2018, 02:39:23 PM
You have to take your hats off for Panama.They scored.
Panama don't seem to like us much, perhaps they haven't forgiven us for John Darwin.
Good stuff England, and well done.
Panama were cynical and dirty and full of gamesmanship, they got what they deserved a thrashing.
It was 30 degrees out there, it was inevitable that the second half would taper off, need to conserve energy.
Anyone who has played in that temperature will understand.
Done the goal avaerage a favour.
Jessie Lingards Goal was sublime.
Makes the Belgium match interesting knowing both teams have qualified.
A long way to go, let's hope there are plenty of more games to go, but it's more than encouraging.
All this fuss we had over the referee and his white spray to keep players ten yards. Now players just stand on top of the ball to stop quick free kicks and the referee seems to allow it.
Quote from: Milo on June 24, 2018, 02:10:39 PM
Quote from: Twig on June 24, 2018, 01:51:30 PM
Quote from: Milo on June 24, 2018, 01:26:36 PM
The amount of pointless free kicks England are giving away is ridiculous.
Loftus-Cheek just gave away a free kick and got a yellow card for NO reason in their half.
I know they're all young but it's amateur stuff really. The coaches need to seriously get hold of them and remind them that cheap free kicks cost games.. especially when the other team have very little chance of scoring otherwise.
For "amateurs" they are doing pretty well i'd Have said.
... It is clear I am not talking about the entire performance. Instead, trying to point out improvements for us against the better teams.
Against these better teams these cheap free kicks will cost us goals. A half decent delivery by a Brazilian or German winger and the likes of Gomez etc will capitalise. Also the cheap yellow from Loftus Cheek would have been costly 75 minutes into the game against such a team when we are under the cosh.
That would be the Brazilian and German teams that are struggling to close out their group stage matches?
Quote from: Twig on June 24, 2018, 07:27:39 PM
Quote from: Milo on June 24, 2018, 02:10:39 PM
Quote from: Twig on June 24, 2018, 01:51:30 PM
Quote from: Milo on June 24, 2018, 01:26:36 PM
The amount of pointless free kicks England are giving away is ridiculous.
Loftus-Cheek just gave away a free kick and got a yellow card for NO reason in their half.
I know they're all young but it's amateur stuff really. The coaches need to seriously get hold of them and remind them that cheap free kicks cost games.. especially when the other team have very little chance of scoring otherwise.
For "amateurs" they are doing pretty well i'd Have said.
... It is clear I am not talking about the entire performance. Instead, trying to point out improvements for us against the better teams.
Against these better teams these cheap free kicks will cost us goals. A half decent delivery by a Brazilian or German winger and the likes of Gomez etc will capitalise. Also the cheap yellow from Loftus Cheek would have been costly 75 minutes into the game against such a team when we are under the cosh.
That would be the Brazilian and German teams that are struggling to close out their group stage matches?
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Quote from: Twig on June 24, 2018, 07:27:39 PM
Quote from: Milo on June 24, 2018, 02:10:39 PM
Quote from: Twig on June 24, 2018, 01:51:30 PM
Quote from: Milo on June 24, 2018, 01:26:36 PM
The amount of pointless free kicks England are giving away is ridiculous.
Loftus-Cheek just gave away a free kick and got a yellow card for NO reason in their half.
I know they're all young but it's amateur stuff really. The coaches need to seriously get hold of them and remind them that cheap free kicks cost games.. especially when the other team have very little chance of scoring otherwise.
For "amateurs" they are doing pretty well i'd Have said.
... It is clear I am not talking about the entire performance. Instead, trying to point out improvements for us against the better teams.
Against these better teams these cheap free kicks will cost us goals. A half decent delivery by a Brazilian or German winger and the likes of Gomez etc will capitalise. Also the cheap yellow from Loftus Cheek would have been costly 75 minutes into the game against such a team when we are under the cosh.
That would be the Brazilian and German teams that are struggling to close out their group stage matches?
So having seen Panama score from a cheap free kick minutes after rejecting my prediction of exactly that you now want to take a swing at my suggestion that Germany and Brazil are better teams than Panama?
Bold!
Loving the Columbian fans, always been very entertaining when they've played at the Cottage. We could use Putney blocks P1 & P2 for the Fulham Columbians next season.
Quote from: Milo on June 24, 2018, 07:54:59 PM
Quote from: Twig on June 24, 2018, 07:27:39 PM
Quote from: Milo on June 24, 2018, 02:10:39 PM
Quote from: Twig on June 24, 2018, 01:51:30 PM
Quote from: Milo on June 24, 2018, 01:26:36 PM
The amount of pointless free kicks England are giving away is ridiculous.
Loftus-Cheek just gave away a free kick and got a yellow card for NO reason in their half.
I know they're all young but it's amateur stuff really. The coaches need to seriously get hold of them and remind them that cheap free kicks cost games.. especially when the other team have very little chance of scoring otherwise.
For "amateurs" they are doing pretty well i'd Have said.
... It is clear I am not talking about the entire performance. Instead, trying to point out improvements for us against the better teams.
Against these better teams these cheap free kicks will cost us goals. A half decent delivery by a Brazilian or German winger and the likes of Gomez etc will capitalise. Also the cheap yellow from Loftus Cheek would have been costly 75 minutes into the game against such a team when we are under the cosh.
That would be the Brazilian and German teams that are struggling to close out their group stage matches?
So having seen Panama score from a cheap free kick minutes after rejecting my prediction of exactly that you now want to take a swing at my suggestion that Germany and Brazil are better teams than Panama?
Bold!
No, I want to take swings at pretty much all your negative posts. Yes England conceded one goal against Panama when they were 6 - 0 up, it hardly validates your point does it?. Yes, the defensive shape can improve. Do I see Germany or Brazil as in any way superior to England on the basis of current showings? No, emphatically not.
Quote from: Twig on June 24, 2018, 09:48:25 PM
Quote from: Milo on June 24, 2018, 07:54:59 PM
Quote from: Twig on June 24, 2018, 07:27:39 PM
Quote from: Milo on June 24, 2018, 02:10:39 PM
Quote from: Twig on June 24, 2018, 01:51:30 PM
Quote from: Milo on June 24, 2018, 01:26:36 PM
The amount of pointless free kicks England are giving away is ridiculous.
Loftus-Cheek just gave away a free kick and got a yellow card for NO reason in their half.
I know they're all young but it's amateur stuff really. The coaches need to seriously get hold of them and remind them that cheap free kicks cost games.. especially when the other team have very little chance of scoring otherwise.
For "amateurs" they are doing pretty well i'd Have said.
... It is clear I am not talking about the entire performance. Instead, trying to point out improvements for us against the better teams.
Against these better teams these cheap free kicks will cost us goals. A half decent delivery by a Brazilian or German winger and the likes of Gomez etc will capitalise. Also the cheap yellow from Loftus Cheek would have been costly 75 minutes into the game against such a team when we are under the cosh.
That would be the Brazilian and German teams that are struggling to close out their group stage matches?
So having seen Panama score from a cheap free kick minutes after rejecting my prediction of exactly that you now want to take a swing at my suggestion that Germany and Brazil are better teams than Panama?
Bold!
No, I want to take swings at pretty much all your negative posts. Yes England conceded one goal against Panama when they were 6 - 0 up, it hardly validates your point does it?. Yes, the defensive shape can improve. Do I see Germany or Brazil as in any way superior to England on the basis of current showings? No, emphatically not.
Okay... personal vendetta aside...
I said better teams than Panama.. not better teams than England.
I said against those better (than Panama..) teams we would concede goals giving away cheap free kicks. As it happens today
even Panama who barely threatened all game still managed to score because of one of those cheap free kicks. So yes... that really does illustrate the point. Especially because if we are playing a better team (than Panama) there may only be one goal in it.
Well anyway the point is we had a good win! Roll on Belgium.
I saw good for England as the completely controlled the game. Good for them and the manager.
Better teams than Panama will struggle with our set pieces. Kane, Stones, Maguire and Loftus-Cheek - any opposition will struggle to find four players to adequately mark them. Playing three centre backs as a way of coping with the defensive frailties of a couple of them - seems as good a plan as we can try out.
I will wait until after the Belgium game to say how good England are. This will be areal test as we have only played against Non league sides so far.
Quote from: grandad on June 25, 2018, 09:09:07 AM
I will wait until after the Belgium game to say how good England are. This will be areal test as we have only played against Non league sides so far.
No wonder you've been exiled abroad.
Good performance but still worrying signs that our defence is shaky. Panama had two or three decent chances apart from the goal. We must defend better, especially on the left side where Maguire and Young look uncomfortable at times.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 25, 2018, 11:04:20 AM
Quote from: grandad on June 25, 2018, 09:09:07 AM
I will wait until after the Belgium game to say how good England are. This will be areal test as we have only played against Non league sides so far.
No wonder you've been exiled abroad.
Viva españa
No worries, maybe a tiny bit of surgery may be needed at the back, one or two tweeks maybe. Like all defenders moving up at the same time, instead of one or two playing them onside. But no matter the opponent, it is impossible to dominate for 90 minutes, they will always get a chance or two. Ask Argentina, Germany, Brazil, France, Spain, Portugal, etc. They have all had close matches v so called inferior opposition.
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Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 25, 2018, 11:04:20 AM
Quote from: grandad on June 25, 2018, 09:09:07 AM
I will wait until after the Belgium game to say how good England are. This will be areal test as we have only played against Non league sides so far.
No wonder you've been exiled abroad.
Viva españa
You should mean Viva El Fulham.
It's all coming out now, treachery, an outcast, banished expelled.
That explains it. Just carry on supporting Spain, or anyone else, but perhaps you should keep your resentment, enmity, rancour, bitterness and cheap shots towards England to yourself, it's clearly eating you up inside, there cannot be much left of you by now abuelo.
Columbia were impressive last night. England Mexico Croatia all playing well. Brazil seem to be warming up now & Germany got a huge win at the weekend. Great World Cup so far
Swollen Huge Enormous Gigantic Head Ronaldo Number One Poser and Ego man has his penalty saved.
There is a God.
VAR is a joke
Anyone watching Iran-Portugal? VAR is a disaster!
Quote from: F(f)CUK on June 25, 2018, 08:51:14 PM
VAR is a joke
If that ever comes into our league,I will stop
going to matches....Its just sheer nonsense.
This Portugal game is bloody horrendous- VAR is currently taking over the whole game.
This is not the game I fell in love with.
What a disaster
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on June 25, 2018, 08:54:51 PM
Anyone watching Iran-Portugal? VAR is a disaster!
Have to agree here also noticed with the Portugal v Iran
ref goes to VAR but the time continues and i didnt think it was added onto added time.
Added time at the end was 6 mins but the VAR farce for Iran's crap penalty shout was almost 2-3 on its own.
I am dreading next season as its going to be all about VAR.
Like FIFAs new toy.
Mark Lawrenson got it right (as much as i dont like him) its all about Refs and VAR the football is a sideshow.
Quote from: Fernhurst on June 25, 2018, 08:56:19 PM
This is not the game I fell in love with.
So true. Agree 100%
Im thinking maybe its worth watching non league every now and then to bring back real football.
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Quote from: Fernhurst on June 25, 2018, 08:56:19 PM
This is not the game I fell in love with.
So true. Agree 100%
Im thinking maybe its worth watching non league every now and then to bring back real football.
The same reason I support the Womens game. No rolling about, not as much cheating and they have never heard of VAR.
Not a great night for VAR. The Iran penalty was nonsense, and I still think Iago Aspas was marginally offside which denied the Moroccans a famous win.
However if you asked me before tonight I would have said it was working fairly well.
I had feared the worst so perhaps my perception of it was based on my fears.
If it can help remove some of the diving and cheating from the game then I will support it (I don't think we have a choice anyway).
How long until FIFA decide to issue a yellow card for players making the 'VAR' sign in the referees face? Much like players getting booked for waving imaginary cards.
At the moment anything happens and players are pleading for a review in the hope they might get some luck.
I'd like to see some of these rolling-on-the floor cheats go down to their local amateur boxing clubs to find out what a proper punch in the face feels like. Then they may realise that we who watch are not fooled.
The sad thing is that the referees and VAR Wallahs actually are.
I despair for our game, and its departure from what was a manly contact sport which was played in a good spirit
Not a huge fan of the way VAR is being used, but I think it's teething issues and implementation that's the issue.
Looking at all the poor decisions we had last year or we see at all the big games, can any of you say something like VAR isn't needed? We laugh about the hand of God for a reason.
I think we'd still see all the stupid decisions without VAR, it's human error one man still has final say. There's a reason this world Cup has seen the most penalties, and its not because players have suddenly gotten dirtier.
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Quote from: ron on June 25, 2018, 11:45:17 PM
I'd like to see some of these rolling-on-the floor cheats go down to their local amateur boxing clubs to find out what a proper punch in the face feels like. Then they may realise that we who watch are not fooled.
The sad thing is that the referees and VAR Wallahs actually are.
I despair for our game, and its departure from what was a manly contact sport which was played in a good spirit
+1
Nigeria against Argentina. Like Germany you just know that somehow Argentina will find a way to get through.
They have passed awfully in these first 10 minutes
Good goal!
Maradonnas an odd man isn't he!
The reaction of the cheat Maradona.
That bloke is in Moo Moo Land permanently I think.😵😵😵😵😵😵
Such unnecessary comments from the commentator about Argentina's manager. He makes my skin scrawl!
Again... that wasn't a penalty for me. HOWEVER. For me, VAR should remove the howlers and if it's "probably a bit harsh" then the referees decision on the pitch should stand.
Only big errors should get changed.
Quote from: Milo on June 26, 2018, 08:10:20 PM
Again... that wasn't a penalty for me. HOWEVER. For me, VAR should remove the howlers and if it's "probably a bit harsh" then the referees decision on the pitch should stand.
Only big errors should get changed.
It looked like a penalty to me - though only half as much a penalty as the one on Mitro, given that two players grappled him to the ground. The problem is that it is so common that you would be getting three or four a match. If the refs stick with punishing these tactics with pens, it will eventually be stopped.
I think it could've gone either way but for me you didn't see any real tug or any real force from Mascherano to bring him down. Looked like he went down easy.
Very good decision from ref on that last VAR. Took him what ... 5 seconds?
Diego the cheat shows his class with a double middle fingered solute to the crowd.
Quote from: Milo on June 26, 2018, 08:05:08 PM
Such unnecessary comments from the commentator about Argentina's manager. He makes my skin scrawl!
I do agree but Sampaoli left the pitch immediately after the whistle - no celebrating with the players. Not a good sign.
Good young side Nigeria,just get over exited at times.
Another 4 years and they will be a big threat.
Quote from: SP on June 26, 2018, 08:49:21 PM
Diego the cheat shows his class with a double middle fingered solute to the crowd.
Nasty piece of work isn't he.
To publicly defame the Argentina team for struggling this year when he relied on drugs to make a name for himself is shameful.
Quote from: SP on June 26, 2018, 08:49:21 PM
Diego the cheat shows his class with a double middle fingered solute to the crowd.
What a sad cretin he has become.
Disgraceful what he did.
A first for VAR in that a referee finally stood by his decision. Head and shoulders better than that idiot last night.
Sweden currently winning and Germany going out. Have to imagine that Germany will beat Korea though.
Quote from: Tabby on June 27, 2018, 04:18:16 PM
Sweden currently winning and Germany going out. Have to imagine that Germany will beat Korea though.
South Korea looking quite good at the moment. Almost unheard of Germany going out in the group stage!
They Are Out....Bye Bye😂
Sweden and Mexico through, what a group!
I love VAR
2-0 Korea :wine:
That Korean Goalie has impressed me.
Commands his area,shot stops,catches everything.
Who does he play for?
I am pleased for the Swedish Manager, who took a lot of abuse the other night from the Arrogant Germans.
A few on here also thought they only had to turn up at the Final.
Karma.
You just have to love football. There's nothing quite like it.
Schadenfreude is alive and well!!!
I'm quite pleased to see Germany out but I think the Radio 5 commentary was the real disgrace - not the German performance. There was no attempt at an objective assessment of the German team - just sheer delight at their defeat. It says more about England's seeming sense of inferiority vis a vis the Germans than anything else. England and their supporters should be bigger than this.
Fantastic Stuff.
I think VAR is adding some great drama to the games in general, and maybe levelling the playing field for the smaller nations.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on June 27, 2018, 04:55:59 PM
That Korean Goalie has impressed me.
Commands his area,shot stops,catches everything.
Who does he play for?
Dunno, but I like his 1980s New Romantic haircut.
Quote from: Neil D on June 27, 2018, 05:42:13 PM
I'm quite pleased to see Germany out but I think the Radio 5 commentary was the real disgrace - not the German performance. There was no attempt at an objective assessment of the German team - just sheer delight at their defeat. It says more about England's seeming sense of inferiority vis a vis the Germans than anything else. England and their supporters should be bigger than this.
If you can't have a smile and a hoot about the German's being sent packing by South Korea in a game of football then what is life all about? They'd have been laughing in our faces just like they did to the Swedish team last game. And so far as the German players were concerned who had a game rating much above two/three?
On a different note, Ludwig Augustinsson, who we have been linked with scored a goal and picked up MOTM in the Sweden - Mexico game. Looked tidy all game.
Quote from: Tabby on June 27, 2018, 04:55:53 PM
2-0 Korea :wine:
The keeper plays for Daegu in the Korean league.
Please Mitro don't go and score a couple against Brazil,or they will want 40million.
Have you noticed how many times they've called him Fulham striker.
Don't like when a legitimate goal stands how press and pundits say it's a goal for VAR.. it's not.. VAR may have been called in to make sure it was legitimate but it's a legitimate goal first and foremost not a VAR goal.
Wish people would put the football ability first over VAR, especially when the goal is scored legitimately.
If that happens more than not then you should be looking to the ref having more confidence in the football being played over VAR
Anyone else see Mitrovic take a foot in the groin there
Had to laugh, only type of contact ive ever seen make him scream and hit the ground in a neymar esque fashion, understandably!
Mitrovic may just be about to start resting for the new season.
Quote from: toshes mate on June 27, 2018, 05:50:06 PM
Quote from: Neil D on June 27, 2018, 05:42:13 PM
I'm quite pleased to see Germany out but I think the Radio 5 commentary was the real disgrace - not the German performance. There was no attempt at an objective assessment of the German team - just sheer delight at their defeat. It says more about England's seeming sense of inferiority vis a vis the Germans than anything else. England and their supporters should be bigger than this.
If you can't have a smile and a hoot about the German's being sent packing by South Korea in a game of football then what is life all about? They'd have been laughing in our faces just like they did to the Swedish team last game. And so far as the German players were concerned who had a game rating much above two/three?
Got to agree... as someone else said 'Schadenfreude' is alive and well.
Some of us still remember Euro '96 with the Germans on the balcony singing "Football's coming home".
If we cannot enjoy the Germans having a bit of a nightmare, then life ain't worth living :)
COYW
I was giving a presentation via Skype to a US audience today. At the end of it I was told that it must be late and I should enjoy a pint. I said that it is only 6pm, but I might raise a glass to Germany going out of the World Cup. I was greeted with a load of murmuring. It seems that there was a large German contingent in the audience.
Mitrovic could/should have scored one of these two headers.
One good thing is with Serbia's lacklustre defence, is they will be done in about 20 mins.
Mitro will have played his part well, but not too well. That will mean he can move on from the WC and focus on club.
I don't think his value has gone significantly higher or lower. The fact that he hasn't had a lot of service doesn't hurt us I don't think.
Just got booked too - the wicked part of me almost wants to see him get a second yellow now to wipe a few million off of Mike Cashley's alleged Jackanory valuation of him 😈
Mitro hasn't really done anything to add to his value tonight. Missed a couple of headed chances and picked up a silly booking.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on June 26, 2018, 08:57:55 PM
Quote from: SP on June 26, 2018, 08:49:21 PM
Diego the cheat shows his class with a double middle fingered solute to the crowd.
What a sad cretin he has become.
Disgraceful what he did.
I remember what the cheating druggie Goblin did in 1986, I hope the next dump he has is an angry Hedgehog.
Neymar's SHOW (https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1012041616666824704)
So when was the last time England went further than Germany in a World Cup?
It's nice that, for once, England are staying in a competition longer than the Germans but the Sun and Metro headlines today are disgraceful. Germany had enough chances to have beaten S.Korea comfortably.
We have to play Belgium today - I wonder who'll be laughing this evening?
Not sure England or Belgium will have a starting 11.
Are there any restrictions on the amount of changes that can be made? Can Southgate put out the "second" eleven if he chose to do so?
Quote from: The Rock on June 28, 2018, 01:16:00 PM
Not sure England or Belgium will have a starting 11.
Are there any restrictions on the amount of changes that can be made? Can Southgate put out the "second" eleven if he chose to do so?
Feel fairly sure he can do as he pleases. With a squad size of 23 and an unfit Dele Alli, the only way he could play a true second XI would be to put one of the goalies in the outfield. Otherwise at least one of our starters must continue to start.
Having said that, if he did put a goalie in midfield, I'd expect them to do better than Neuer.
The farce potential for tonight's game isn't, to my mind, so much about starting line ups than it is for conceding goals or yellow cards. That really could happen, but probably won't. Conspiracy theories will abound whatever happens.
Fabian Delph in the team (and the squad)
Whats all that about!
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on June 28, 2018, 08:27:00 PM
Fabian Delph in the team (and the squad)
Whats all that about!
Who would you have instead? Delph is also very versatile which is important.
Quote from: Tabby on June 28, 2018, 08:36:05 PM
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on June 28, 2018, 08:27:00 PM
Fabian Delph in the team (and the squad)
Whats all that about!
Who would you have instead? Delph is also very versatile which is important.
Anyone else, Delph is awful
When the alternative option is Jake Livermore, Delph is good enough.
Quote from: Tabby on June 28, 2018, 08:42:42 PM
When the alternative option is Jake Livermore, Delph is good enough.
But that's not the alternative option, Livermore isn't in the World Cup squad...
What a shocking performance. Not an ounce of quality. Belgium running rings round us.
It seemed we were playing for that result
Quote from: Dodgin on June 28, 2018, 08:53:16 PM
It seemed we were playing for that result
Never ever should a side go out to lose. Pride went out the window tonight. They were a disgrace to the 3 lions badge. Columbia will be no push overs.
Well if we didn't deliberately miss two open goals. We may have real problems in the next match.
Lose 1-0 with our second string. Meltdown.
Hate losing but this result is in our favour.
I must of being watching another game. This is a young English team full of raw talent. I might be wrong but you grow and get better as a tournament goes on. Unlike previous competitions we now have more than eleven players with game time. We have a manager who doesn't seem that interested in his profile or where his next contract is coming from. This has to be the first England team for ages devoid of egos that has the ability to really shine! I really believe this team has a chance.
Hopeless overreaction from one or two on here. This was a team of mainly young, mainly squad players. What it showed us wa that the manager has probably got his first choice eleven about right. They were not a disgrace, Belgium did not run rings round them, but they were just about second best mainly due to poor final balls into and around the box. Vardy for example got very little to run on to.
Quote from: VicHalomsLovechild on June 28, 2018, 09:26:41 PM
I must of being watching another game. This is a young English team full of raw talent. I might be wrong but you grow and get better as a tournament goes on. Unlike previous competitions we now have more than eleven players with game time. We have a manager who doesn't seem that interested in his profile or where his next contract is coming from. This has to be the first England team for ages devoid of egos that has the ability to really shine! I really believe this team has a chance.
Agreed, this is a sensible and level headed post. ⚽️👍🏴
Quote from: Twig on June 28, 2018, 11:13:26 PM
Hopeless overreaction from one or two on here. This was a team of mainly young, mainly squad players. What it showed us wa that the manager has probably got his first choice eleven about right. They were not a disgrace, Belgium did not run rings round them, but they were just about second best mainly due to poor final balls into and around the box. Vardy for example got very little to run on to.
Agreed, this is a sensible and a level headed post. ⚽️👍🏴
Quote from: Sgt Fulham on June 28, 2018, 09:16:24 PM
Lose 1-0 with our second string. Meltdown.
Hate losing but this result is in our favour.
Agreed this is a sensible and level headed post ⚽️👍🏴
Quote from: grandad on June 28, 2018, 08:49:01 PM
What a shocking performance. Not an ounce of quality. Belgium running rings round us.
🆘 What a load of Cobblers, you must start screwing your head on properly when you get out of bed in the asylum. 🆘
I'm not optimistic about Tuesday's game and I think Colombia will be pleased that they are playing us and not Belgium.
It was Belgium reserves 1 - 0 England Reserves, big woop. We were already through, and now every single outfield players has game time going into the knock out stage, how often does that happen? We are now on the easier side of the drawer but with a considerably more difficult task in the round of 16. Bare in mind james rodriguez (Columbias neymar/messi/ronaldo) went off after half an hour yesterday with a recurrence of the same injury that kept him out of the first game. Columbia are a very good side, i watched their game against poland and it was one of the performances of the tournament for me, but the architect to almost everything good they did in that game was down to rodriguez.
Im confident with or without him we would be able to beat them but our chances increase significantly with him not on the field.
Saying that if pickford insists on punching every shot back into the danger area falcoa will gobble them up
Quote from: Pud on June 29, 2018, 06:20:46 AM
I'm not optimistic about Tuesday's game and I think Colombia will be pleased that they are playing us and not Belgium.
I'm sure you're right.
It seems that the key issue of the Belgium defeat is whether it breaks the momentum and spirit of the watching "first eleven", or whether it fires them up to think they can do much better vs Columbia. I'm sure the Gaffer won't let the first happen.
As to future rounds, the old saying; "No path of roses leads to glory" seems to fit. All teams who come through the group stage are there for a reason.
I think people are under estimating Colombia. I have them in my sweepstake and Cuadrado has been running the games. I definitely would have preferred to play Japan next.
It is what it is. No good worrying, and Columbia are a good side. However England are no mugs, and Columbia will be worried also, because if they aren't they should be. They would not have learnt anything if they watched us yesterday.
Its human nature, but it's all on the day.
We have seen some very close games in this World Cup, and this could be another one.
On the other hand, if England get their act together, they should advance into the Quarter Finals, but as we know it's easier said than done. 🏴⚽️👍
No easy way to the final I think. England has struggled against organized defenses before, both Sweden and Switzerland are at least as good at that as Iceland for example.
Will probably be tight games, but where is the fun without that?
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 28, 2018, 11:28:13 PM
Quote from: grandad on June 28, 2018, 08:49:01 PM
What a shocking performance. Not an ounce of quality. Belgium running rings round us.
🆘 What a load of Cobblers, you must start screwing your head on properly when you get out of bed in the asylum. 🆘
No need for this abusive reply to what was my personal opinion.
Has anyone had any luck with a bet or two since the World Cup started?
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on June 29, 2018, 02:42:53 PM
Has anyone had any luck with a bet or two since the World Cup started?
Nope. Nothing has gone through .... bugger.
Predictions for R016?
France Argentina 3-0 think France are absolutely going to batter them.
Uruguay Portugal 2-2 P
Spain Russia 1-2
Croatia Denmark 2-0
Brazil Mexico 1-2: Brazil are overrated
Belgium Japan 4-0 easy peasy lemon squizy
Sweden Switserland 0-1
Colombia England 1-2 or 2-1
Thoughts after end of Group Round...
It has been a really 'Odd' World Cup to me so far, I don't think ANY team, apart from Croatia, has performed well consistently. And even Croatia has not exactly blown me away.
There has been no really great goals. My favourite has actually been the second South Korea one Vs Germany as it was quite a sight seeing the guy run half the pitch to knock it in, and only a couple of other goals have got me excited.
The general football has been pretty bad, BUT it has been pretty dramatic and enjoyable and VAR has generally added to this.
I do think England have really done nothing so far, we have no idea of where the team really stands with such an easy walk though their group, and Harry Kane's 'hat trick' (two pens and a deflection) is a bit daft, and will not be remembered. Really hope he does score a few decent goals from now onwards, otherwise a Golden Boot based on penalties and deflections will not feel something to celebrate much.
I believe England are capable of getting to the semi or final now, if their first eleven can really go for it, and really the competition starts now...
England have a chance of winning the World Cup with the easiest run to the final ever.
I do believe in Gareth Southgate though, and even if Columbia knock them out on Tuesday I hope he stays as England manager for the next World Cup. He has been the really big plus to me. England went into these finals with very low expectations as we clearly don't have the top top players of previous years, but Southgate has done well with what he has, and comes across very well in interviews, etc.
On to the knockouts...
Delph is returning to England for a quick trip as his wife is expecting their third child or something. Jesus these people are spoilt.
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Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 28, 2018, 11:28:13 PM
Quote from: grandad on June 28, 2018, 08:49:01 PM
What a shocking performance. Not an ounce of quality. Belgium running rings round us.
🆘 What a load of Cobblers, you must start screwing your head on properly when you get out of bed in the asylum. 🆘
No need for this abusive reply to what was my personal opinion.
Then stop sending snidey, spiteful, insulting messages about England, at every opportunity, which are completely and utterly off pace with reality. You are the Author of your own downfall.
You may need a Check Up from the Neck Up.
If you cannot mend your resentful ways. If you ever come back to England ( Gods Country ), as the Authorities will be waiting at the border to Frog March you to Traitors Gate, at the Tower of London.
Whereupon, you will be buried up to your neck in sand, whilst the tide is out.
When the tide comes in the Giant Crabs will appear.
Or if you don't fancy that, may I suggest hanging you from the Battlements by your Genitalia ( I think he played for Florentina ).
That should make your eyes water.
Quote from: Fulhamfan666 on June 29, 2018, 02:46:17 PM
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on June 29, 2018, 02:42:53 PM
Has anyone had any luck with a bet or two since the World Cup started?
Nope. Nothing has gone through .... bugger.
I bet a Monkey that Maradona the cheat would make a fool of himself, especially when he pretended to be unwell to try and gather sympathy after he had carried out his usual unsavoury side show, pathetic.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 29, 2018, 04:05:58 PM
Quote from: grandad on June 29, 2018, 01:15:38 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 28, 2018, 11:28:13 PM
Quote from: grandad on June 28, 2018, 08:49:01 PM
What a shocking performance. Not an ounce of quality. Belgium running rings round us.
🆘 What a load of Cobblers, you must start screwing your head on properly when you get out of bed in the asylum. 🆘
No need for this abusive reply to what was my personal opinion.
Then stop sending snidey, spiteful, insulting messages about England, at every opportunity, which are completely and utterly off pace with reality. You are the Author of your own downfall.
You may need a Check Up from the Neck Up.
If you cannot mend your resentful ways. If you ever come back to England ( Gods Country ), as the Authorities will be waiting at the border to Frog March you to Traitors Gate, at the Tower of London.
Whereupon, you will be buried up to your neck in sand, whilst the tide is out.
When the tide comes in the Giant Crabs will appear.
Or if you don't fancy that, may I suggest hanging you from the Battlements by your Genitalia ( I think he played for Florentina ).
That should make your eyes water.
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This is the last response I will ever make to you. Obviously ones opinion does not count in your view. England will only win the WC again with a Fulham player in the team. Have a good life. I am.
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Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 29, 2018, 04:05:58 PM
Quote from: grandad on June 29, 2018, 01:15:38 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 28, 2018, 11:28:13 PM
Quote from: grandad on June 28, 2018, 08:49:01 PM
What a shocking performance. Not an ounce of quality. Belgium running rings round us.
🆘 What a load of Cobblers, you must start screwing your head on properly when you get out of bed in the asylum. 🆘
No need for this abusive reply to what was my personal opinion.
Then stop sending snidey, spiteful, insulting messages about England, at every opportunity, which are completely and utterly off pace with reality. You are the Author of your own downfall.
You may need a Check Up from the Neck Up.
If you cannot mend your resentful ways. If you ever come back to England ( Gods Country ), as the Authorities will be waiting at the border to Frog March you to Traitors Gate, at the Tower of London.
Whereupon, you will be buried up to your neck in sand, whilst the tide is out.
When the tide comes in the Giant Crabs will appear.
Or if you don't fancy that, may I suggest hanging you from the Battlements by your Genitalia ( I think he played for Florentina ).
That should make your eyes water.
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This is the last response I will ever make to you. Obviously ones opinion does not count in your view. England will only win the WC again with a Fulham player in the team. Have a good life. I am.
🆘 Is that a promise you will never respond to me again. Hallelujah ♥️, Splendid 🐸, Marvelous 👻, Good Show 🦂, Jolly good show 🍺, Cry God for Harry, England and St George. 🏴
Gentlemen, gentlemen........chill pills all round and then drinks together in the virtual bar of this most excellent sports club...... 082.gif
I miss him already 😢 💣
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 29, 2018, 04:08:40 PM
Quote from: Fulhamfan666 on June 29, 2018, 02:46:17 PM
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on June 29, 2018, 02:42:53 PM
Has anyone had any luck with a bet or two since the World Cup started?
Nope. Nothing has gone through .... bugger.
I bet a Monkey that Maradona the cheat would make a fool of himself, especially when he pretended to be unwell to try and gather sympathy after he had carried out his usual unsavoury side show, pathetic.
If I was having a bet it would be that he is a certainty to be one of the celebs found dead in a hotel room.
Either from drugs or a bullet in back of his nut..
The Argies are getting fed up with his behavior.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on June 30, 2018, 06:17:03 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 29, 2018, 04:08:40 PM
Quote from: Fulhamfan666 on June 29, 2018, 02:46:17 PM
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on June 29, 2018, 02:42:53 PM
Has anyone had any luck with a bet or two since the World Cup started?
Nope. Nothing has gone through .... bugger.
I bet a Monkey that Maradona the cheat would make a fool of himself, especially when he pretended to be unwell to try and gather sympathy after he had carried out his usual unsavoury side show, pathetic.
If I was having a bet it would be that he is a certainty to be one of the celebs found dead in a hotel room.
Either from drugs or a bullet in back of his nut..
The Argies are getting fed up with his behavior.
I cannot see him passing away peacefully in an old people's home, that's not his style.
He will definitely die with his boots on, and that will most certainly be by the hand of God. 🖕
I put £10 on Mitrovic winning the golden boot on an each way (4 places) ... just to soften the blow of any amazing WC performance that prices us out of buying him!
Quote from: Pud on June 29, 2018, 06:20:46 AM
I'm not optimistic about Tuesday's game and I think Colombia will be pleased that they are playing us and not Belgium.
I seriously doubt that.
Quote from: Twig on June 30, 2018, 11:09:25 AM
Quote from: Pud on June 29, 2018, 06:20:46 AM
I'm not optimistic about Tuesday's game and I think Colombia will be pleased that they are playing us and not Belgium.
I seriously doubt that.
It doesn't really matter because Belgium are going to win the World Cup.
Quote from: EastEndWhite on June 30, 2018, 11:49:53 AM
Quote from: Twig on June 30, 2018, 11:09:25 AM
Quote from: Pud on June 29, 2018, 06:20:46 AM
I'm not optimistic about Tuesday's game and I think Colombia will be pleased that they are playing us and not Belgium.
I seriously doubt that.
It doesn't really matter because Belgium are going to win the World Cup.
We could meet them again in the Final.
Are the French the ugliest side in the World Cup? Their attitude of excessive diving and rolling around is the worst of any nation I have witnessed so far. The African-Franco Umtiti is the prime culprit with Louis Hernandez coming in close second - he was roundly booed by the Ausssies for his reprehensible tactics.
The problem is the referees seem to encourage such behaviour rather than let the football speak for itself. France also performed a diabolical draw to ensure they topped the group, again another reason to dislike the "Frogs".
One hopes the Argies knock them out, if not now, then Brazil shall later!
Argentina can't handle Mbappe, looks like it is heading towards a blowout right now.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on June 30, 2018, 01:01:23 PM
Are the French the ugliest side in the World Cup? Their attitude of excessive diving and rolling around is the worst of any nation I have witnessed so far. The African-Franco Umtiti is the prime culprit with Louis Hernandez coming in close second - he was roundly booed by the Ausssies for his reprehensible tactics.
The problem is the referees seem to encourage such behaviour rather than let the football speak for itself. France also performed a diabolical draw to ensure they topped the group, again another reason to dislike the "Frogs".
One hopes the Argies knock them out, if not now, then Brazil shall later!
Couldn't disagree more. The Argentina side cheat from the first whistle to last. Pretend injury, want non existent fouls booked. They have the luck because the Devil runs football. But they frankly disgust me as a football fan and would love them to be beaten by anybody. Shame they have to cheat but it is in their DNA.
What a glorious hit from Pavard!
Quote from: Tabby on June 30, 2018, 04:16:59 PM
What a glorious hit from Pavard!
Perfect strike! This is turning into quite a game.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on June 30, 2018, 01:01:23 PM
Are the French the ugliest side in the World Cup? Their attitude of excessive diving and rolling around is the worst of any nation I have witnessed so far. The African-Franco Umtiti is the prime culprit with Louis Hernandez coming in close second - he was roundly booed by the Ausssies for his reprehensible tactics.
The problem is the referees seem to encourage such behaviour rather than let the football speak for itself. France also performed a diabolical draw to ensure they topped the group, again another reason to dislike the "Frogs".
One hopes the Argies knock them out, if not now, then Brazil shall later!
If there is one team I would like to see knocked out and crushed to pulp, and that's Argentina, they are everything I dislike about football, they will go to any lengths to cheat no matter the consequences.
You only have to watch them surround the referee, they are like a pack of dogs, trying get opponents sent off and trying to cheat and feigning injury at every opportunity.
They have no shame, no grace no dignity.
They are from a different planet. A despicable team.
I hope France can do the job, before we may have to.
Mbappe making Messi look like a carthorse....
Go France give then another.
It's look as though we may have our wish. 🤞
Mbappe is 19 ..... a real worldwide wonderkid.
Can't understand teams sometimes,you have to finish sides off...At 4-2 they were well on top and could have got more if they went for it...But sides these days seem to just see games out.
What happens The Argies get a last minute goal.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on June 30, 2018, 04:59:07 PM
Can't understand teams sometimes,you have to finish sides off...At 4-2 they were well on top and could have got more if they went for it...But sides these days seem to just see games out.
What happens The Argies get a last minute goal.
They did...
Messi.was such a forlorn figure at the end there, like a character in a maudalin romance movie when his love has just died or something.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on June 30, 2018, 01:01:23 PM
The African-Franco Umtiti is the prime culprit with Louis Hernandez coming in close second - he was roundly booed by the Ausssies for his reprehensible tactics.
I'm struggling to understand what his African descent has to do with any of this? or is this your way of saying that because he is black that he is more likely to dive? Or..?
What is wrong with you lmao
Peach of a goal that from Cavani. Been many beautiful goals so far today.
Stolen off twitter but I know you lot love your puns
"Don't cry 4-3 Argentina"
Best chest goal I think I've ever seen lol
Uruguay are a really well-drilled side with some very decent players. If they can get past Portugal who knows how far they'll go
Quote from: Fulhamfan666 on June 30, 2018, 06:13:08 PM
Quote from: Nick Bateman on June 30, 2018, 01:01:23 PM
The African-Franco Umtiti is the prime culprit with Louis Hernandez coming in close second - he was roundly booed by the Ausssies for his reprehensible tactics.
I'm struggling to understand what his African descent has to do with any of this? or is this your way of saying that because he is black that he is more likely to dive? Or..?
What is wrong with you lmao
Louis Hernandez is white!
Two cracking games today with some truly stunning goals. Cavani's second maybe the best of them.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on June 30, 2018, 08:15:14 PM
Quote from: Fulhamfan666 on June 30, 2018, 06:13:08 PM
Quote from: Nick Bateman on June 30, 2018, 01:01:23 PM
The African-Franco Umtiti is the prime culprit with Louis Hernandez coming in close second - he was roundly booed by the Ausssies for his reprehensible tactics.
I'm struggling to understand what his African descent has to do with any of this? or is this your way of saying that because he is black that he is more likely to dive? Or..?
What is wrong with you lmao
Louis Hernandez is white!
I think he is referring to your comment about Samuel Umtiti who is black. Sometimes Nick I really wonder where your head is at.
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Quote from: Nick Bateman on June 30, 2018, 08:15:14 PM
Quote from: Fulhamfan666 on June 30, 2018, 06:13:08 PM
Quote from: Nick Bateman on June 30, 2018, 01:01:23 PM
The African-Franco Umtiti is the prime culprit with Louis Hernandez coming in close second - he was roundly booed by the Ausssies for his reprehensible tactics.
I'm struggling to understand what his African descent has to do with any of this? or is this your way of saying that because he is black that he is more likely to dive? Or..?
What is wrong with you lmao
Louis Hernandez is white!
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Off the thread , I'd love to see a new/different country win it this year, that is if we don't and my preference is croatia
I know some people on here have criticised Fulham in the past for not having a plan B when playing teams who set out to stifle our patient passing game. Spain are another thing entirely though - I've never seen a team so unwilling or unable to change their game when it's clearly not working.
Penalties now - this could be Spain going out!
Spain are out. Looked a bit like a worse Germany this game I thought. The Germans at least managed to create chances.
Russia win it by two falls to nil at that last free kick. VAR makes these results as convincing as the old Saturday afternoon wrestling used to be.
Quote from: ron on July 01, 2018, 05:46:08 PM
Russia win it by two falls to nil at that last free kick. VAR makes these results as convincing as the old Saturday afternoon wrestling used to be.
VAR & the ref bottled it as it was against Russia. Feel sorry for Spain as we know only too well how difficult it is to break down 11 behind the ball. Russia were a very tough side & would not bet against them to get to the final.
Watching Spain is like watching lesbian porn. It's very pretty and pleasing on the eye but there's no penetration
Russia win on pens. Rightly so. Russia and Fifa clearly have come to an understanding. Survive normal time and we can make a deal. I can never understand a goal keeper as skilled and as experienced as David de Gea diving out of the way of two penalties struck down the middle.
The big question is could England notch up a goal or two against that well drilled Russian defence, I woul hope so.
Quote from: filham on July 01, 2018, 06:07:07 PM
The big question is could England notch up a goal or two against that well drilled Russian defence, I woul hope so.
Will it even matter?
De Gea made one save on 11 shots this tournament. Had a bit of a mare all round.
Quote from: Pud on July 01, 2018, 05:54:27 PM
Watching Spain is like watching lesbian porn. It's very pretty and pleasing on the eye but there's no penetration
Sorry but that is not good.
Quote from: Twig on July 02, 2018, 12:58:52 AM
Quote from: Pud on July 01, 2018, 05:54:27 PM
Watching Spain is like watching lesbian porn. It's very pretty and pleasing on the eye but there's no penetration
Sorry but that is not good.
A better description is Lizarazu's.
'Tiki-Taka is like love without sex'
Quote from: Fulhamfan666 on June 30, 2018, 06:13:08 PM
Quote from: Nick Bateman on June 30, 2018, 01:01:23 PM
The African-Franco Umtiti is the prime culprit with Louis Hernandez coming in close second - he was roundly booed by the Ausssies for his reprehensible tactics.
I'm struggling to understand what his African descent has to do with any of this? or is this your way of saying that because he is black that he is more likely to dive? Or..?
What is wrong with you lmao
To take your point seriously I suggested no such thing. One was merely commenting on this irksome individual who is not a native Frenchman but Cameroon-born. One has witnessed his transgressions the most, holding his face when touched on the neck, rolling around in agony only to rise like Lazarus after wasting a minute of everyone's time.
I also pointed out Hernandez whose 'gamesmanship' irritated commentator Mark Lawrenson and was booed throughout by the Australian supporters who had had enough of his pile of negative garbage.
That said, France finally arrived at the World Cup against Argentina and are looking very strong when they decide to play the game properly.
Quote from: Twig on July 02, 2018, 12:58:52 AM
Quote from: Pud on July 01, 2018, 05:54:27 PM
Watching Spain is like watching lesbian porn. It's very pretty and pleasing on the eye but there's no penetration
Sorry but that is not good.
Made me laugh
Neymar at it again :doh:
Quote from: Pud on July 01, 2018, 05:54:27 PM
Watching Spain is like watching lesbian porn. It's very pretty and pleasing on the eye but there's no penetration
Wonder if that gets through the mods new light touch approach
Quote from: Nick Bateman on June 30, 2018, 08:15:14 PM
Quote from: Fulhamfan666 on June 30, 2018, 06:13:08 PM
Quote from: Nick Bateman on June 30, 2018, 01:01:23 PM
The African-Franco Umtiti is the prime culprit with Louis Hernandez coming in close second - he was roundly booed by the Ausssies for his reprehensible tactics.
I'm struggling to understand what his African descent has to do with any of this? or is this your way of saying that because he is black that he is more likely to dive? Or..?
What is wrong with you lmao
Louis Hernandez is white!
I presume this Louis Hernandez bloke is, in fact, a reference to Lucas Hernandez.
Easy mistake to make, all these white blokes look the same, don't they?
Where do we all stand on Lukaku?
Im not very impressed. I'd rather have Mitro every day of the week. Lukaku has no instinct. Always takes a second touch and is sluggish.
Also - anyone ever noticed we haven't as a country recruited referees from abroad?
Surely the Championship could recruit top referees from European nations etc etc to fill the gaps? Because the standard is so poor over here.
Edit - odd German-US accent Klinsman has developed!
Japan taking the lead!
Edit: 2-0 now, Belgium needs to get their act together soon.
Japan are looking good. Their tactics have been spot on against Belgium. Two great goals too.
Oops. Spoke too soon.
2-2 now!
Quote from: Milo on July 02, 2018, 07:41:25 PM
Also - anyone ever noticed we haven't as a country recruited referees from abroad?
Surely the Championship could recruit top referees from European nations etc etc to fill the gaps? Because the standard is so poor over here.
Edit - odd German-US accent Klinsman has developed!
He was a manager there for 5 years. Joey Barton concocted a French accent after 2 minutes at Marseille
Quote from: EastEndWhite on June 30, 2018, 11:49:53 AM
Quote from: Twig on June 30, 2018, 11:09:25 AM
Quote from: Pud on June 29, 2018, 06:20:46 AM
I'm not optimistic about Tuesday's game and I think Colombia will be pleased that they are playing us and not Belgium.
I seriously doubt that.
It doesn't really matter because Belgium are going to win the World Cup.
Bit of a wobble but what a great winning goal. :wine:
I think Belgium are more than capable of reaching the Final, I feel they have the ability and quality and the players to beat Brazil, who are not as good as their name may suggest.
It could turn out to be an England v Belgium Final, that is possible, and England on their day can beat any of the remaining teams.
However, I would imagine that all the remaining teams will all fancy their chances now that so many big guns have been sent home. This is such an open World Cup, almost impossible to predict.
Then of course France are still in it, and they are a threat, but then again nobody can underestimate anyone, as this absorbing and entertaining Tournament has shown.
We were 0-2 down and then my girlfriend was like, "you could win 3-2" and I was like ye, and then it did. Lolz.
I don't see how Brazil will lose this WC, unfortunately
Shaqiri available presumably off Stoke but I don't think he suits our style. He's a long shots and crossing sort of player that's largely the opposite of Fulham.
Hopefully we won't sign any Swedish strikers, they've been having a shocker...
Quote from: Milo on July 03, 2018, 03:17:50 PM
Shaqiri available presumably off Stoke but I don't think he suits our style. He's a long shots and crossing sort of player that's largely the opposite of Fulham.
Also knowing the history of the Balkans after his cross arm provocative salute v the Serbs I dont think Slav would want him.
Even less if we get Mitro
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Sweden didn't look like much, but they're a solid counterattacking team. The best at pure defending along with Uruguay this WC in my opinion (though they have Berg and Toivonen instead of Suarez and Cavani).
Could be tough in the quarters.
Good half from England.
Colombia should be down to 10 men though. Can't understand why that headbutt in the line only warranted a yellow card!
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Good half from England.
Colombia should be down to 10 men though. Can't understand why that headbutt in the line only warranted a yellow card!
Columbia are seriously dirty. The officiating has been rubbish at this WC and it continues to be.
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Shaqiri available presumably off Stoke but I don't think he suits our style. He's a long shots and crossing sort of player that's largely the opposite of Fulham.
Also knowing the history of the Balkans after his cross arm provocative salute v the Serbs I dont think Slav would want him.
Even less if we get Mitro
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I don't think it'll get removed - you've made a very good point.
Mark Geiger is usually a very good ref but that should have been a red card for headbutting. How the Colombian only got a yellow is seriously disappointing.
Finally, justice - another good penalty by Kane!
England have to be very careful not to get wound up by the Colombians. We're winning now and need to be bigger than that.
This Colombian side are horrible. Dirty, every trick, diving, nasty cheats.
Wow Kane is great at drawing fouls.
Look on the bright side: At least Southgate will not be taking a penalty for us!!
Looking a bit knackered, it's worrying
Penalties... 😵
Come on England 🏴 ⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️
Yesssssss
Yeeessssss we have won a penalty shoot out.
Well done England, good riddance to a nasty unsporting and cheating bunch of drama queens.
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Yeeessssss we have won a penalty shoot out.
Well done England, good riddance to a nasty unsporting and cheating bunch of drama queens.
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We need to improve though,lot of huff n puff without really troubling their keeper.
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Good half from England.
Colombia should be down to 10 men though. Can't understand why that headbutt in the line only warranted a yellow card!
Behave, that was never a red!
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Yeeessssss we have won a penalty shoot out.
Well done England, good riddance to a nasty unsporting and cheating bunch of drama queens.
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Mince. Can you please set light to your Garden Shed in celebration 🔥
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Yeeessssss we have won a penalty shoot out.
Well done England, good riddance to a nasty unsporting and cheating bunch of drama queens.
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Mince. Can you please set light to your Garden Shed in celebration 🔥
The neighbours done it already he's Columbian.😂
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Good half from England.
Colombia should be down to 10 men though. Can't understand why that headbutt in the line only warranted a yellow card!
Behave, that was never a red!
Definitely a Red Card, but it doesn't matter cause we dumped a bunch of cheats out of the World Cup. Nobody is gonna miss them.
This is a bit spooky, Fulham win something for the first time and England win a penalty shootout for the first time.
Can't believe it.
Great chance of beating the Swedes.
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Good half from England.
Colombia should be down to 10 men though. Can't understand why that headbutt in the line only warranted a yellow card!
Behave, that was never a red!
Definitely a Red Card, but it doesn't matter cause we dumped a bunch of cheats out of the World Cup. Nobody is gonna miss them.
you're having a laugh.
the difference between Belgium/Japan and england/colombia regarding play acting and fouls was immense.
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Good half from England.
Colombia should be down to 10 men though. Can't understand why that headbutt in the line only warranted a yellow card!
Behave, that was never a red!
Definitely a Red Card, but it doesn't matter cause we dumped a bunch of cheats out of the World Cup. Nobody is gonna miss them.
you're having a laugh. Bunch of pussies.
the difference between Belgium/Japan and england/colombia regarding play acting and fouls was immense.
Are all the pundits and ex refs pussies? It was a red card, deal with it. Maybe you're not English but the majority of us are and we're bloody happy. This never happens to us so how about let us enjoy it?
ANYWAY. Bit gutted there's no game tomorrow.
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Good half from England.
Colombia should be down to 10 men though. Can't understand why that headbutt in the line only warranted a yellow card!
Behave, that was never a red!
Definitely a Red Card, but it doesn't matter cause we dumped a bunch of cheats out of the World Cup. Nobody is gonna miss them.
you're having a laugh. Bunch of pussies.
the difference between Belgium/Japan and england/colombia regarding play acting and fouls was immense.
Are all the pundits and ex refs pussies? It was a red card, deal with it. Maybe you're not English but the majority of us are and we're bloody happy. This never happens to us so how about let us enjoy it?
Eh? Piss of hahahaha
Classy post. I'll enjoy the victory even more knowing it's made you this upset. Good night!
Just realised that I am going to watch a Winter's Tale at the Globe while England are playing Sweden. 094.gif
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Good half from England.
Colombia should be down to 10 men though. Can't understand why that headbutt in the line only warranted a yellow card!
Behave, that was never a red!
Definitely a Red Card, but it doesn't matter cause we dumped a bunch of cheats out of the World Cup. Nobody is gonna miss them.
Yep. I'm not an England supporter but I ended up supporting them tonight because Colombia were guilty of the most outrageous cheating. That shoulder barge by their coach at half time was beyond belief.
Pleased to see England win but it was a terrible game of football and the hard fact is that but for he penalty we have failed to score in back to back matches, our attack lacks bite against tight defences.
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Good half from England.
Colombia should be down to 10 men though. Can't understand why that headbutt in the line only warranted a yellow card!
Behave, that was never a red!
Definitely a Red Card, but it doesn't matter cause we dumped a bunch of cheats out of the World Cup. Nobody is gonna miss them.
you're having a laugh. Bunch of pussies.
the difference between Belgium/Japan and england/colombia regarding play acting and fouls was immense.
Are all the pundits and ex refs pussies? It was a red card, deal with it. Maybe you're not English but the majority of us are and we're bloody happy. This never happens to us so how about let us enjoy it?
Eh? Piss of hahahaha
Classy post. I'll enjoy the victory even more knowing it's made you this upset. Good night!
It's not, I was just saying both sets of players were acting like children in compared to the Belgian or Japanse players, that's all.
Columbia got what they deserved a defeat. They brought the game into disrepute tonight. Well done England for keeping your discipline against all sorts of provocation, they tried to bring us down to their level, but it didn't work, all Columbia did was spoil a game of football, no shame.
But they are packing their suitcases now, and good riddance to bad rubbish.
The only teams that made it through comfortably were Sweden and Brazil. Been some scrappy games from underdogs this round.
The main thing tonight is that Columbia are limping all the way back to Bogarta, with their tails between their legs.
Well done England, great performance in very difficult circumstances.
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Just realised that I am going to watch a Winter's Tale at the Globe while England are playing Sweden. 094.gif
What a pleasure - enjoy.
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Good half from England.
Colombia should be down to 10 men though. Can't understand why that headbutt in the line only warranted a yellow card!
Behave, that was never a red!
Definitely a Red Card, but it doesn't matter cause we dumped a bunch of cheats out of the World Cup. Nobody is gonna miss them.
you're having a laugh. Bunch of pussies.
the difference between Belgium/Japan and england/colombia regarding play acting and fouls was immense.
Are all the pundits and ex refs pussies? It was a red card, deal with it. Maybe you're not English but the majority of us are and we're bloody happy. This never happens to us so how about let us enjoy it?
Eh? Piss of hahahaha
Classy post. I'll enjoy the victory even more knowing it's made you this upset. Good night!
It's not, I was just saying both sets of players were acting like children in compared to the Belgian or Japanse players, that's all.
Judging by your poor command of the language and strange denial of a clear headbutt, I'm assuming you're not English and your comments are merely sour grapes.
England are through, and I hope whoever you support for the rest of the tournament do well too... until they meet us.
Congrats England.
As a member of a half Colombian household we are gutted!!
I won't comment on a couple of flashpoints as I have jusssst enough self awareness to know that I am completely biased.
Good luck against the Swedes. They are looking like a tough nut to crack.
By the way, it really isn't difficult to spell Colombia correctly.
I would not want to be a ref. It's tough in general (especially with all the acting) and getting absolutely swarmed after every foul call would be awful. It was ridiculous after the (100% correct) PK call.
I think the Colombians were taking their cue from Neymar. Whine, cry and fake it. That being said, I'm sorry to say the English lads did some, some, of the same. I thought the head butt was a great piece of acting. Yes there was a head butt, but the replay clearly showed the shorter Colombian hit the Englishman in the chin. Mt first impression was why would a tap like that knock down a strapping young man in his prime. Then I noticed he was holding his eyes not his chin. Yea, he was head butted but he made a meal out of it. There were enough cheap fouls & play acting by Columbia to warrant more then the six yellows they got. I especially got a kick out of them protesting the penalty. What they did to Kane on that play would have fit better in the bull dogging competition of a western rodeo.
I think most of you would NOT appreciate a View From South Texas on the Colombia v. England match. Here's a snippit or two
a. 120 minutes of Harry Kane on the pitch and the attack seemed to be all about feeding Jessie Lingard. Not once did I see a pass designed to put England's most lethal striker in 50 years in a position where he could score.
b. dozens of free kicks and corners ALL to Harry Maguire. Nothing lateral, nothing surprising, nothing even hidden, just constantly repeating deliveries to the head of one player. I like Maguire, mind. He's one of the best performers in this squad, but it's a lot easier to defend set pieces if you know where EVERY DAMN ONE OF THEM IS GOING.
c. you fielded a strong XI -- well, a strong X and Lingard -- against a team missing its only world class player -- and could only score on a penalty. Yes, Colombia's players were disgusting and maddening, but England should have won by two or three goals.
Congratulations, though
Geiger has a reputation in MLS for flashing cards and penalties and chaos, we call it the Geiger Show. This game was already a mess because the Colombians turned it into the type of match we see in CONCACAF countries, diving all over, faking injuries, complaining about everything. Then England began to match them to a degree.
Credit to him, I think Geiger got the big decisions correct. 100% penalty. Legit head butt but also lots of acting from Henderson, so I think a yellow was the right call. And in the end, all those cards did calm the game down and the best spell of play from both sides was in the final 10 of regulation and much of the 30 in extra time.
Anyway, well done to get off the penalties curse (hell, even the Spurs guys were 3-3!).
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Quote from: love4ffc on July 03, 2018, 08:10:26 PM
Mark Geiger is usually a very good ref but that should have been a red card for headbutting. How the Colombian only got a yellow is seriously disappointing.
It was certainly a red card offense ... having said that, you hardly ever see a red in the first 20 minutes of ANY match, never mind one as big as this. Refs are terrified of making an early decision that de facto determines the result.
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Mark Geiger is usually a very good ref but that should have been a red card for headbutting. How the Colombian only got a yellow is seriously disappointing.
It was certainly a red card offense ... having said that, you hardly ever see a red in the first 20 minutes of ANY match, never mind one as big as this. Refs are terrified of making an early decision that de facto determines the result.
Agree. Still think it was dirty and another point in the game could have been a red.
The ref didn't do MLS any favours.
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I think most of you would NOT appreciate a View From South Texas on the Colombia v. England match. Here's a snippit or two
a. 120 minutes of Harry Kane on the pitch and the attack seemed to be all about feeding Jessie Lingard. Not once did I see a pass designed to put England's most lethal striker in 50 years in a position where he could score.
b. dozens of free kicks and corners ALL to Harry Maguire. Nothing lateral, nothing surprising, nothing even hidden, just constantly repeating deliveries to the head of one player. I like Maguire, mind. He's one of the best performers in this squad, but it's a lot easier to defend set pieces if you know where EVERY DAMN ONE OF THEM IS GOING.
c. you fielded a strong XI -- well, a strong X and Lingard -- against a team missing its only world class player -- and could only score on a penalty. Yes, Colombia's players were disgusting and maddening, but England should have won by two or three goals.
Congratulations, though
It is always good to read the less partial analysis and thoroughly agree with it. England were largely responsible for allowing the game to drift after the penalty success. Players must know they cannot change the mind of any referee, weak, strong or indifferent and getting involved breaks the professional habit of getting on with the game. One voodoo seems to have been temporarily dispatched but many other self inflicted no-no's persist. Well done Southgate and company but could do better, much, much better.
The worrying thing about the game looking back is that, other than the penalty, there was only one effort on goal from England in 120 minutes. I doubt Sweden will give away the kind of pen that Colombia did, so the attack needs to sharpen up.
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I think most of you would NOT appreciate a View From South Texas on the Colombia v. England match. Here's a snippit or two
a. 120 minutes of Harry Kane on the pitch and the attack seemed to be all about feeding Jessie Lingard. Not once did I see a pass designed to put England's most lethal striker in 50 years in a position where he could score.
b. dozens of free kicks and corners ALL to Harry Maguire. Nothing lateral, nothing surprising, nothing even hidden, just constantly repeating deliveries to the head of one player. I like Maguire, mind. He's one of the best performers in this squad, but it's a lot easier to defend set pieces if you know where EVERY DAMN ONE OF THEM IS GOING.
c. you fielded a strong XI -- well, a strong X and Lingard -- against a team missing its only world class player -- and could only score on a penalty. Yes, Colombia's players were disgusting and maddening, but England should have won by two or three goals.
Congratulations, though
It is always good to read the less partial analysis and thoroughly agree with it. England were largely responsible for allowing the game to drift after the penalty success. Players must know they cannot change the mind of any referee, weak, strong or indifferent and getting involved breaks the professional habit of getting on with the game. One voodoo seems to have been temporarily dispatched but many other self inflicted no-no's persist. Well done Southgate and company but could do better, much, much better.
Have to agree with all of that. However some games form leaves you temporarly and you just need to get through it. They're young and apart from England fans, nobody's favourites to win the thing. Both of which are a help and not a hinderance. I hope their next game is a better one. Personally I'd like to see a couple of the players we saw in the second game. I thought Loftus Cheek played well and caused problems. He seems pretty adept at drawing a foul as well. Which had he played last night may have negated the need for penalties.
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Have to agree with all of that. However some games form leaves you temporarly and you just need to get through it. They're young and apart from England fans, nobody's favourites to win the thing. Both of which are a help and not a hinderance. I hope their next game is a better one. Personally I'd like to see a couple of the players we saw in the second game. I thought Loftus Cheek played well and caused problems. He seems pretty adept at drawing a foul as well. Which had he played last night may have negated the need for penalties.
Cannot disagree with you. But one of points made in the US critique was duplicity at set pieces. There was one corner in the first half where an entire quadrant nearest the taker was empty with an England player (Young?) hovering as if for a short corner but failing to signal to the taker that there was oceans of space in front of him. The point being they didn't change or adapt the game plan. Is it poor coaching or just players who have no vision or minds of their own?
I thought that England controlled the game very well without showing too much threat. Set-pieces seemed to be aimed at Maguire who doesn't seem much of a header of the ball. Colombia seemed to be overawed (why?) for the first 80 minutes then found that they were a skilful team who could play and might have won if they'd played like that from the start. Both teams missed clear chances to win in ET.
There was no need for England to have stooped to some of the dirty tactics, far better to highlight them up by refraining themselves. On the whole, I thought the ref did a decent job in difficult circumstances but should have booked a lot more of those protesting about the penalty, that would have calmed things down a bit.
In the end, in my impartial opinion, the best team won - but made hard work of it. For me, Alli and Lindgard didn't do much and I'd consider changing them next game. I was left thinking that England could have done with Sessegnon (or Kamara).
It's coming home.
A few points -
The referee got everything right in terms of decisions, but wasn't able to control the game or players. Quicker yellows for dissent would have ended the whole situation after the penalty much sooner. The Colombian players knew it was a pen, they were just dragging it out as long as they could in order to put off Kane.
Colombia were a good team; their defence will be their backbone for long to come. Let's not knock England, but respect the Colombian's strength here. Sanchez from Spurs was MOM by a long way in my opinion.
Minor gripes - Lingard was quieter than normal, but does a lot off of the ball. Same for Sterling. I don't think Sterling has found any sort of relationship between he, Kane and Alli yet. He did play in Lingard twice however - a lot of the first half play went through him.
Second half Kane dropping deeper wasn't how I would have played. I prefer my main striker to be the target and men to drop off of him, rather than him playing the ball for other to run on to.
Dier wasn't great, but the position he comes into with two pivot DM's means the team sit much deeper. If we're going to make a change, I would change Alli or whomever in that front midfield three for a like for like change. If we continue to press high we win the ball back much more often than when we have Dier sitting deep.
Fair play to all the penalty takers. Especially Rashford who showed some balls at his age, and Trippier for scoring a massive penalty after the save.
On to the Quarters!
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There was no need for England to have stooped to some of the dirty tactics, far better to highlight them up by refraining themselves. On the whole, I thought the ref did a decent job in difficult circumstances but should have booked a lot more of those protesting about the penalty, that would have calmed things down a bit.
This was one of my favourite parts of the game. We've whinged about other nations for decades. Well, lets mix it with them. We can keep calm heads and play the dark arts and benefit. Lets stop being the victims and have that nasty little schnide winners mentality.
The diving extravagantly is clearly embarrassing when slowed down in front of 18m Brits let alone the 100m watching around the world etc etc. However this is merely an indication of how when players don't go down then decisions aren't given! We've all seen the penalties not given when strikers stay on their feet.. you don't get any reward for honesty in this game.
I actually seem to remember Henderson then head butting someone himself later in the game. Then he missed a penalty. Actually all round when the going got tough he seemed to disappear and not want the ball. Personally I was not impressed by him at all tonight and wish we had an alternative but I believe Delph flew home.
What upsets me is England players going down at the slightest touch that wouldn't even fell a child when they could stay on their feet and maybe get a scoring opportunity. If it's a foul the ref should blow anyway.
It isn't cricket where you call have to call "owzat?" but it seems as if it's coming to that.
Quote from: Milo on July 04, 2018, 10:27:22 AM
The diving extravagantly is clearly embarrassing when slowed down in front of 18m Brits let alone the 100m watching around the world etc etc. However this is merely an indication of how when players don't go down then decisions aren't given! We've all seen the penalties not given when strikers stay on their feet.. you don't get any reward for honesty in this game.
I actually seem to remember Henderson then head butting someone himself later in the game. Then he missed a penalty. Actually all round when the going got tough he seemed to disappear and not want the ball. Personally I was not impressed by him at all tonight and wish we had an alternative but I believe Delph flew home.
Delph only flew home for a few days didn't he? It was for a birth. I thought he was there last night?
EDIT - Checked, and you're right. He wasn't with the squad. Surprised by that.
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Good half from England.
Colombia should be down to 10 men though. Can't understand why that headbutt in the line only warranted a yellow card!
Behave, that was never a red!
Definitely a Red Card, but it doesn't matter cause we dumped a bunch of cheats out of the World Cup. Nobody is gonna miss them.
you're having a laugh. Bunch of pussies.
the difference between Belgium/Japan and england/colombia regarding play acting and fouls was immense.
Are all the pundits and ex refs pussies? It was a red card, deal with it. Maybe you're not English but the majority of us are and we're bloody happy. This never happens to us so how about let us enjoy it?
Eh? Piss of hahahaha
Classy post. I'll enjoy the victory even more knowing it's made you this upset. Good night!
It's not, I was just saying both sets of players were acting like children in compared to the Belgian or Japanse players, that's all.
Judging by your poor command of the language and strange denial of a clear headbutt, I'm assuming you're not English and your comments are merely sour grapes.
England are through, and I hope whoever you support for the rest of the tournament do well too... until they meet us.
My apologies dude, I know i went a bit overboard, see you in the final
(hopefully)
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Good half from England.
Colombia should be down to 10 men though. Can't understand why that headbutt in the line only warranted a yellow card!
Behave, that was never a red!
Definitely a Red Card, but it doesn't matter cause we dumped a bunch of cheats out of the World Cup. Nobody is gonna miss them.
you're having a laugh. Bunch of pussies.
the difference between Belgium/Japan and england/colombia regarding play acting and fouls was immense.
Are all the pundits and ex refs pussies? It was a red card, deal with it. Maybe you're not English but the majority of us are and we're bloody happy. This never happens to us so how about let us enjoy it?
Eh? Piss of hahahaha
Classy post. I'll enjoy the victory even more knowing it's made you this upset. Good night!
It's not, I was just saying both sets of players were acting like children in compared to the Belgian or Japanse players, that's all.
Judging by your poor command of the language and strange denial of a clear headbutt, I'm assuming you're not English and your comments are merely sour grapes.
England are through, and I hope whoever you support for the rest of the tournament do well too... until they meet us.
My apologies dude, I know i went a bit overboard, see you in the final (hopefully)
Actually you were a disgrace.
Quote from: PaulUMD on July 04, 2018, 03:00:27 AM
Geiger has a reputation in MLS for flashing cards and penalties and chaos, we call it the Geiger Show. This game was already a mess because the Colombians turned it into the type of match we see in CONCACAF countries, diving all over, faking injuries, complaining about everything. Then England began to match them to a degree.
Credit to him, I think Geiger got the big decisions correct. 100% penalty. Legit head butt but also lots of acting from Henderson, so I think a yellow was the right call. And in the end, all those cards did calm the game down and the best spell of play from both sides was in the final 10 of regulation and much of the 30 in extra time.
Anyway, well done to get off the penalties curse (hell, even the Spurs guys were 3-3!).
Errr, are you saying it was only a yellow because Henderson made the most of it? Surely you know that has nothing whatsoever to do with which card should be awarded. It was clearly a deliberate head butt, that is violent conduct and therefore a red.
Quote from: Twig on July 04, 2018, 11:58:17 AM
Quote from: PaulUMD on July 04, 2018, 03:00:27 AM
Geiger has a reputation in MLS for flashing cards and penalties and chaos, we call it the Geiger Show. This game was already a mess because the Colombians turned it into the type of match we see in CONCACAF countries, diving all over, faking injuries, complaining about everything. Then England began to match them to a degree.
Credit to him, I think Geiger got the big decisions correct. 100% penalty. Legit head butt but also lots of acting from Henderson, so I think a yellow was the right call. And in the end, all those cards did calm the game down and the best spell of play from both sides was in the final 10 of regulation and much of the 30 in extra time.
Anyway, well done to get off the penalties curse (hell, even the Spurs guys were 3-3!).
Errr, are you saying it was only a yellow because Henderson made the most of it? Surely you know that has nothing whatsoever to do with which card should be awarded. It was clearly a deliberate head butt, that is violent conduct and therefore a red.
Layun should have gotten a red for deliberately stepping on Neymar as well, but everyone on here were just talking about what a disgrace Neymar is for rolling around after it. Layun ended up not even getting carded.
Exaggerating seems to be punished in this way this WC rather than handing out yellows.
My opinion. Yes red card for stepping on Neymar. Neymar though is still over the top, as is others, with their flopping rolling stupid acting reactions.
Also thought the headbutt in the England game was a red card but that's just me.
So did Henderson also make up the blood on his lip?! GTFO
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 04, 2018, 01:36:38 PM
So did Henderson also make up the blood on his lip?! GTFO
I think he exaggerated his reaction if that is what you're asking. I still think it was a red card.
Objectively, how could a head butt in a game of football be anything other than an instant red card?
Similarly, a player who spends three minutes arguing with a referee gives ample time for a yellow, a warning that if he carries on mouthing he will get a red, followed by the red.
We are heading in the direction of the old Saturday afternoon wrestling on itv, in fact complete with the grappling in the box and the total ineffectiveness of refereeing to stop transgressions. The trouble is that was only showbiz, this is meant to be a duignified world sport
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 04, 2018, 01:36:38 PM
So did Henderson also make up the blood on his lip?! GTFO
The head butt hit him in the chin area. When he fell down he was holding his eyes. Neymar style acting. The Colombian should have gotten a red for violent contact and Henderson a yellow for simulation.
Quote from: ron on July 04, 2018, 04:37:03 PM
Objectively, how could a head butt in a game of football be anything other than an instant red card?
Similarly, a player who spends three minutes arguing with a referee gives ample time for a yellow, a warning that if he carries on mouthing he will get a red, followed by the red.
We are heading in the direction of the old Saturday afternoon wrestling on itv, in fact complete with the grappling in the box and the total ineffectiveness of refereeing to stop transgressions. The trouble is that was only showbiz, this is meant to be a duignified world sport
I don't think that game was a good example of todays football as the refereeing was exceptionally weak. He allowed way more than a top drawer ref would ever accept .. A very poor example for US Football.
What a howler from Muslera. Looks like the French are going through.
Mbappe of France is as bad as Neymar, France are the biggest diving team in the tournament.
Quote from: Tabby on July 06, 2018, 04:21:15 PM
What a howler from Muslera. Looks like the French are going through.
Have to feel for the keeper when something like that happens.
Dembele the Younger making an appearance.
Anyone any idea why referees don't book for simulating - it's the most annoying thing about this World Cup
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I'm not optimistic about Tuesday's game and I think Colombia will be pleased that they are playing us and not Belgium.
I seriously doubt that.
It doesn't really matter because Belgium are going to win the World Cup.
Bit of a wobble but what a great winning goal. :wine:
And another one bites the dust. :wow:
Guess we now have an all European final four. Really, final six. Looks like a Belgium V Croatia final to me. Sorry, but I look the look of the Croats.
Quote from: YankeeJim on July 06, 2018, 09:50:55 PM
Guess we now have an all European final four. Really, final six. Looks like a Belgium V Croatia final to me. Sorry, but I look the look of the Croats.
Wouldn't disagree, actually but would like us to beat Sweden today.
Best of luck, England.
But Lingard? Really?
Quote from: HatterDon on July 07, 2018, 03:05:42 PM
Best of luck, England.
But Lingard? Really?
Sterling really?
Quote from: Neil D on July 07, 2018, 03:45:23 PM
Quote from: HatterDon on July 07, 2018, 03:05:42 PM
Best of luck, England.
But Lingard? Really?
Sterling really?
Sterling really useless. Should have had a goal by now. Ryan must be thinking why not me.
Harry McGuire looks quite good.
As I've been watching Championship football for the last 4 years, I haven't seen many PL matches and Leicester have a good defender on their hands.
Is Kane playing? Sterling has been so poor. Trippier is my MOTM.
We're actually pretty good, aren't we?
No. Sweden regards pretty poor
When they show the Swedish fans it is all hot totty. When they show the England fans it is all over weight baldies.
Quote from: grandad on July 07, 2018, 04:51:37 PM
When they show the Swedish fans it is all hot totty. When they show the England fans it is all over weight baldies.
We all know who the proper fans are
Well done england. See you in the final.
Get in there 🏴 England. Well done. ⚽️⚽️
That was very good. We have some weapons and they frightened the life out of Sweden. Looking forward to the next one.
Well done England great to be in a semi final but I didn't think we were that great and really should have scored more goals.
Some great saves by our keeper really won us the match.
How did Sweden get to the quarters baffles me..QPR would have beat them..There has been some really average sides at this tournament and that includes the Germans and Argies.
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Quote from: grandad on July 07, 2018, 04:51:37 PM
When they show the Swedish fans it is all hot totty. When they show the England fans it is all over weight baldies.
We all know who the proper fans are
Somewhat ambiguous point. There must have been some comely English wenches there - though admittedly the Swedish eye candy was top quality. Much more attractive than their team which looked like they were straight out of the Pulis playbook.
Well played England. Fully deserved it, Sweden unfortunatley couldnt pull off another good defensive performance.
Lets hope #itscominghome!
/Sweden supporter
Sterling works hard and does make things happen but man is he selfish on the ball. Several times he should have passed or laid the ball of but no he goes it alone.
Think Sess could have done a good job out there.But glad he wasn't picked.May have had an effect in his performance against Villa.His time will come and I'm sure it's not very far away.I watched the game in an Irish bar in Valencia on Holiday. Totally Crazy.Lots of other nationals supporting England.Had some French Guys singing God save the Queen.Unreal.
Quote from: sarnian on July 07, 2018, 04:46:00 PM
No. Sweden regards pretty poor
True, we are no good. So lucky that we only play and beat poor teams. Really don't deserve to be in the WC semis. Sterling is useless, Kane's goals don't count, Pickford is rubbish, Walker couldn't get in a decent Championship side............
Come on ENGLAND, not all of us are miserable, negative types. I think this young side are pretty good and getting better as they learn and gain confidence. We have an excellent manager, no boring wags, no celebrity circus, just a bunch of hungry young footballers who are being thoroughly professional. Hats off, I feel very proud.
If this game goes to penalties, there's definitely something dodgy going on.
And what was all that about with the Croatia keeper? Has a goalie ever got cramp during a game before?!
It's just gone to penalties !!
But Croatia have won!
I'm glad Russia are out. Croatia could potentially be a tougher game for England, but they didn't look great tonight. England can beat them.
Stupid stupid hand ball outside the box to level things. I feel for the Russian people but, I can not express how happy that I am, for so many reason, that Russia is out of the tournament.
Quote from: gezkc on July 07, 2018, 09:54:17 PM
But Croatia have won!
I'm glad Russia are out. Croatia could potentially be a tougher game for England, but they didn't look great tonight. England can beat them.
I fancy England as Croatia look very very tired.
I am one very relieved Englishman living permanently in Russia.It has been OK so far whilst Russia has been winning and their support has been as a 12th man but I would not have liked to live here if England had beaten them!
Hard to understand the remarks about Sterling. Yes, he hasn't scored, but he's created tons of space up front and has done a solid job defensively when England lose possession. He's working his ass off and England's results reflect how much he's helped.
I thought that keeping would be England's weakness at the WC this year, but young Pickford has impressed me -- not only with his reactions, but also with his positioning and demeanor. I'm also impressed with Maguire and Trippier and I wonder if either would have been capped with a different gaffer.
Pickford and the two hyphenated young folks should give you all loads of confidence in future tournaments -- not to mention the Sess Bros.
I'd still like to see the offence dedicated to getting Kane in more attacking positions and less dependent on set pieces, but you can't argue with Southgate's success.
Finally, a few weeks ago it seemed that a sizable minority of posters were saying that the didn't care about the WC or England's national team. I'm wondering how many of them have changed that opinion.
Best of luck with Croatia. It would be great to see England and Belgium in the final. 082.gif
Quote from: Russianrob on July 07, 2018, 10:09:03 PM
I am one very relieved Englishman living permanently in Russia.It has been OK so far whilst Russia has been winning and their support has been as a 12th man but I would not have liked to live here if England had beaten them!
Can understand what your saying. Agree this is the best outcome for your situation :003:
Have you noticed most of the players playing out wide for teams in this tournament, they can't dribble past a man like an old fashioned winger could,when the ball comes out wide to them they push it back inside or go back towards their own goal.The amount of times I've seen it from every team,wingers unable to dribble and get to the bye line.
Pleased that Croatia won, but why on earth when they have a 1 goal lead with a few minutes to play, do they and other teams not put players on both posts for set pieces?
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Quote from: gezkc on July 07, 2018, 09:54:17 PM
But Croatia have won!
I'm glad Russia are out. Croatia could potentially be a tougher game for England, but they didn't look great tonight. England can beat them.
I fancy England as Croatia look very very tired.
Croatia looked the better quality side, but probably better to face them in the semi than Russia because of the fear of home advantage, poor "homer" reffing etc.
Agree that Croatia looked leg weary at the end.
Quote from: HatterDon on July 07, 2018, 10:36:38 PM
Hard to understand the remarks about Sterling. Yes, he hasn't scored, but he's created tons of space up front and has done a solid job defensively when England lose possession. He's working his ass off and England's results reflect how much he's helped.
I thought that keeping would be England's weakness at the WC this year, but young Pickford has impressed me -- not only with his reactions, but also with his positioning and demeanor. I'm also impressed with Maguire and Trippier and I wonder if either would have been capped with a different gaffer.
Pickford and the two hyphenated young folks should give you all loads of confidence in future tournaments -- not to mention the Sess Bros.
I'd still like to see the offence dedicated to getting Kane in more attacking positions and less dependent on set pieces, but you can't argue with Southgate's success.
Finally, a few weeks ago it seemed that a sizable minority of posters were saying that the didn't care about the WC or England's national team. I'm wondering how many of them have changed that opinion.
Best of luck with Croatia. It would be great to see England and Belgium in the final. 082.gif
You make some good points. I too was wondering about all those who came on here saying they had no interest and that England would't get past the last 16 etc. Etc.
Quote from: Twig on July 08, 2018, 10:41:06 AM
Quote from: HatterDon on July 07, 2018, 10:36:38 PM
Hard to understand the remarks about Sterling. Yes, he hasn't scored, but he's created tons of space up front and has done a solid job defensively when England lose possession. He's working his ass off and England's results reflect how much he's helped.
I thought that keeping would be England's weakness at the WC this year, but young Pickford has impressed me -- not only with his reactions, but also with his positioning and demeanor. I'm also impressed with Maguire and Trippier and I wonder if either would have been capped with a different gaffer.
Pickford and the two hyphenated young folks should give you all loads of confidence in future tournaments -- not to mention the Sess Bros.
I'd still like to see the offence dedicated to getting Kane in more attacking positions and less dependent on set pieces, but you can't argue with Southgate's success.
Finally, a few weeks ago it seemed that a sizable minority of posters were saying that the didn't care about the WC or England's national team. I'm wondering how many of them have changed that opinion.
Best of luck with Croatia. It would be great to see England and Belgium in the final. 082.gif
You make some good points. I too was wondering about all those who came on here saying they had no interest and that England would't get past the last 16 etc. Etc.
It's all gone quiet over there, or wherever they dwell.
90 mins + away from a World Cup Final. Can we do it, will we do it ?
It's all on the day 🏴 Come on England !!!!
I don't think that Croatia will be any easy task but am glad that it's them - for a host of reasons. It would have been wonderful to whop Russia on their own turf but the reverse would be unthinkable. Better that Croatia did the job for us.
I'm not looking beyond the next game.
Quote from: Holders on July 08, 2018, 11:04:14 AM
I don't think that Croatia will be any easy task but am glad that it's them - for a host of reasons. It would have been wonderful to whop Russia on their own turf but the reverse would be unthinkable. Better that Croatia did the job for us.
I'm not looking beyond the next game.
Yeah that Russia-England game would not have been too pretty ..
Good thing I put one of my precious pounds on an England - Belgium final. good stuff.
Have to get past France though, but I'm confident we'll stuff them, just like we did to Brazil.
I got France in the sweepstake so I'm hoping for an England France final so there is even the smallest consolation should it all end in tears (I should at least get paid for my tears!). The Belgium Vs France semi final will be an absolute cracker though.
Why are people having a pop at our fans out there? There has been no trouble. Is it just because we don't have a lot of women with their faces painted pretending to care
Loving this world cup on poor man's TV to boot and wish sky tv had never arrived as we've lost sport to people that can't afford premium tv subscriptions.
Quote from: HatterDon on July 07, 2018, 10:36:38 PM
Hard to understand the remarks about Sterling. Yes, he hasn't scored, but he's created tons of space up front and has done a solid job defensively when England lose possession. He's working his ass off and England's results reflect how much he's helped.
I thought that keeping would be England's weakness at the WC this year, but young Pickford has impressed me -- not only with his reactions, but also with his positioning and demeanor. I'm also impressed with Maguire and Trippier and I wonder if either would have been capped with a different gaffer.
Pickford and the two hyphenated young folks should give you all loads of confidence in future tournaments -- not to mention the Sess Bros.
I'd still like to see the offence dedicated to getting Kane in more attacking positions and less dependent on set pieces, but you can't argue with Southgate's success.
Finally, a few weeks ago it seemed that a sizable minority of posters were saying that the didn't care about the WC or England's national team. I'm wondering how many of them have changed that opinion.
Best of luck with Croatia. It would be great to see England and Belgium in the final. 082.gif
I agree with this.
Quote from: Twig on July 07, 2018, 08:35:15 PM
Quote from: sarnian on July 07, 2018, 04:46:00 PM
No. Sweden regards pretty poor
True, we are no good. So lucky that we only play and beat poor teams. Really don't deserve to be in the WC semis. Sterling is useless, Kane's goals don't count, Pickford is rubbish, Walker couldn't get in a decent Championship side............
Come on ENGLAND, not all of us are miserable, negative types. I think this young side are pretty good and getting better as they learn and gain confidence. We have an excellent manager, no boring wags, no celebrity circus, just a bunch of hungry young footballers who are being thoroughly professional. Hats off, I feel very proud.
I can't stand the negative lot. My brother in law is one of them even though on most things he isn't laid back and happy with. However, as soon as England come on it's all moaning and groaning..his whole family seem to love being miserable about the team. Without Stirling running constantly at them the Swedes might have had more time to regroup and counter but he and the rest of the team just put them under the cosh for most of the game. People who think they know better than professional footballers should try it against other professions "of you, call yourself a vet, my gran could do better surgery than you mate..."
I remain a little critical about the England team and am still more interested in Fulham getting a team together to play Palace but wait a minute it is possible that after another 90 minutes football England could be in a World Cup final. That is not bad going.
Quote from: Statto on July 08, 2018, 07:52:09 PM
Quote from: HatterDon on July 07, 2018, 10:36:38 PM
a few weeks ago it seemed that a sizable minority of posters were saying that the didn't care about the WC or England's national team. I'm wondering how many of them have changed that opinion.
I was one of them. Inevitably I've become more interested, and I've actually watched the first half of both two knockout games before getting bored and going off to do chores around the house. But even now, imagining one of the England players (most of whom I wouldn't have recognised in the street a few weeks ago) scoring a 91st minute world cup winner against the French, that wouldn't even get me 30% as excited as that McDonald goal at the New Den.
Each to his own I guess!!!
Quote from: Statto on July 08, 2018, 07:52:09 PM
Quote from: HatterDon on July 07, 2018, 10:36:38 PM
a few weeks ago it seemed that a sizable minority of posters were saying that the didn't care about the WC or England's national team. I'm wondering how many of them have changed that opinion.
I was one of them. Inevitably I've become more interested, and I've actually watched the first half of both two knockout games before getting bored and going off to do chores around the house. But even now, imagining one of the England players (most of whom I wouldn't have recognised in the street a few weeks ago) scoring a 91st minute world cup winner against the French, that wouldn't even get me 30% as excited as that McDonald goal at the New Den.
Well I suppose you are moving in the right direction Statto. Small steps!
Quote from: filham on July 08, 2018, 07:28:18 PM
I remain a little critical about the England team and am still more interested in Fulham getting a team together to play Palace but wait a minute it is possible that after another 90 minutes football England could be in a World Cup final. That is not bad going.
You remain critical of a team that has got to the semi finals? You must have extremely high standards or skill in managing and playing at International level to be like this considering our record since 1966 :wow:
Everytime I watch Dembele I get so frustrated.
His positioning is so poor! He doesn't work hard enough to make space for himself. He's SO strong on the ball and does the simple things so well but if he doesn't put the effort in and get the ball then it's all for nothing.
Ps Mbappe 19 v Sessegnon 18..
The quality of the attacking football in the first 20minutes of France vs Belgium has been unbelievable.
Lloris having a great game so far.
Dembele has given the ball away so many times,nearly cost a second goal there.Been Belgium weak link up to now.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 10, 2018, 08:16:04 PM
Dembele has given the ball away so many times,nearly cost a second goal there.Been Belgium weak link up to now.
Has looked well off pace this game. I guess there is a reason that Tottenham are letting him go.
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Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 10, 2018, 08:16:04 PM
Dembele has given the ball away so many times,nearly cost a second goal there.Been Belgium weak link up to now.
Has looked well off pace this game. I guess there is a reason that Tottenham are letting him go.
Sign him up. Anyone can have an off night with the ball and his tackle on Giroud was amazing. Besides, I just love watching him play.
Was hoping Belgium would make it, don't want France to win and certainly don't want to face Mbappe in the final if we make it.
Extra time would've been nice too, but hey ho. If you want to win the world cup you have to prove you're the best team there.
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Godverdomme.
I hope the England/Croatia players really injure Mbappe. 19 years old and a bigger C*nt than any player I've ever seen. (even Neymar!!!). A decapitated leg would do :022:
I watched Mbappe v Belgium, and already at 19 he has some real bad habits, some of these footballers have no shame or dignity.
Quote from: Fulhamfan666 on July 10, 2018, 11:31:22 PM
Godverdomme.
I hope the England/Croatia players really injure Mbappe. 19 years old and a bigger C*nt than any player I've ever seen. (even Neymar!!!). A decapitated leg would do :022:
That is a seriously unpleasant post.
If his timewasting was bad enough for a broken leg, you surely must demand that Bettinelli should be drawn and quartered.
Quote from: Fulhamfan666 on July 10, 2018, 11:31:22 PM
Godverdomme.
I hope the England/Croatia players really injure Mbappe. 19 years old and a bigger C*nt than any player I've ever seen. (even Neymar!!!). A decapitated leg would do :022:
Seriously? What's wrong with you?!!
Quote from: Fulhamfan666 on July 10, 2018, 11:31:22 PM
A decapitated leg would do :022:
I'm calling that out as an oxymoron. Emphasis on the latter two syllables.
I have to admit to getting a bit nervous when we (Fulham) play it out from the back but watching England tonight Pickford just whacks the ball up field and we inevitably lose possession. I'm of the opinion that this England team playing the Fulham way would walk this competition.
We we're hanging on last 25 mins.
The French will delighted by this - extra time and a day fewer to recover, whoever wins.
Quote from: Neil D on July 11, 2018, 08:58:06 PM
The French will delighted by this - extra time and a day fewer to recover, whoever wins.
Thats what we thought about Croatia
It was coming that goal...Aaargh
This is not the game to put in our poorest performance. Poor defending for their goals. Sterling dreadful again. Kane marked out of the game. Croatia were far stronger than us & more creative.
Never mind we got further than most expected. My England players of the tournament are Trippier, Pickford & Maguire.
Ryan Sessegnon will win it for us in 4yearstime.
We never in last few games make the chances from open play,we've relied too much on set piece goals.
Our attacking spark was extinguished when Sterling was substituted. Rashford offered nothing and his co trol was rubbish, Lingard disappeared, Kane was ineffective.
All you Sterling haters got your way.
Will there be a 3rd & 4th playoff game?
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 11, 2018, 09:41:45 PM
We never in last few games make the chances from open play,we've relied too much on set piece goals.
Indeed. What was needed was a bit of creativity in midfield and that was missing. An English Modric. I hope they give France a good beating.
Quote from: grandad on July 11, 2018, 09:45:21 PM
Will there be a 3rd & 4th playoff game?
Yep, on saturday.
Quote from: grandad on July 11, 2018, 09:45:21 PM
Will there be a 3rd & 4th playoff game?
Yes there will be.
We looked a young and at times naive side that never looked like scoring after we scored. But that is what we are and to get this far in the World Cup we should be content.
I didn't get carried away by earlier results,Tunisia, Panama,Sweden.
I feared as soon as we met a decent side we would come up short.
Quote from: grandad on July 11, 2018, 09:45:21 PM
Will there be a 3rd & 4th playoff game?
Regretably yes.
3rd and 4th play off on Saturday in St.Petersburg where I live.However the greatest match this year has already been played at Wembley and we won it.Even if I was given a free ticket for the 3rd and 4th play off not sure that I could be bothered to go!!!
England did well, overall. No one expected them getting this far. Good on them.
I didn't realize that Kane lacked pace that badly. He was totally marked out of this match and most of the last one. Walker was a fault on the first goal and out of position o the second. Stones covered for him a lot.
Looking at the stats, Croatia pulled a Fulham on England. 57% poss, 22 shots, 80% pass acc., 590 passes.
Definitely a familiar line...
We were not really as good as we thought we were.
That first half when we had the edge , so many long , high, hopeful , balls up to Sterling because we knew he could outpace there defenders. The balls of course were no where good enough to bother their defenders.
No complaints from me, the better team won, Southgates negative tactics were only ever going to take us so far. Sad thing is we had a real chance but once again the fa let us down. And even more worryingly, just like they did with hodgson, thet will probably give Southgate another tournament
On a positive note, all the main performers will still be in their prime come next WC. Only player in danger of being too old starting is Young, and I don't understand why he was starting on left back.
Had to laugh at the end when the commentator said they will return home as National Treasures...😁
Southgate should stay. This team was not about this tournament, like Brazil and Germany, you have to build
Quote from: YankeeJim on July 11, 2018, 09:53:27 PM
England did well, overall. No one expected them getting this far. Good on them.
I didn't realize that Kane lacked pace that badly. He was totally marked out of this match and most of the last one. Walker was a fault on the first goal and out of position o the second. Stones covered for him a lot.
They did do well and I salute them.
I'd be a bit kinder towards Walker. The trouble with three at the back is that no-one's ever completely sure what their position needs to be. After half time Croatia were excellent and pressure ground us down.
Really proud of the England setup and everyone involved. Been a cracking tournament and to be honest, I'm not really too fussed we went out. They've done better than expectations and handled themselves superbly. Miss opportunity perhaps but ah well. Futures bright for England as we know with Sess and co. coming through.
England will come again, a very young team who care, with a Manager who cares.
Maybe they overachieved in this Competition, but the team and the manager showed class from start to finish, and the support from the magnificent England supporters was second to none.
The dissapointing aspect is, that we were 1 0 up and looking good, could have been 3 0 up at half time. Perhaps inexperience took its toll.
That's football, goals change games, but the England players were great examples to all those cheats from other countries. Ethically England are worlds away from those cheats. We win with class, and lose with class.
Which is more than I can say for any other country I have watched.
The other dissapointing issue is that we were 21 mins away from a World Cup Final.
We punched above our weight, but we will come back stronger. The best is yet to come, and yes I am also very proud of England. 🏴
We lost because we don't create enough from open play. Such a shame we don't make many creative midfielders in this country. Do think Kane should've scored though, if he wants to prove he's world class.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 11, 2018, 10:26:41 PM
England will come again, a very young team who care, with a Manager who cares.
Maybe they overachieved in this Competition, but the team and the manager showed class from start to finish, and the support from the magnificent England supporters was second to none.
The dissapointing aspect is, that we were 1 0 up and looking good, could have been 3 0 up at half time. Perhaps inexperience took its toll.
That's football, goals change games, but the England players were great examples to all those cheats from other countries. Ethically England are worlds away from those cheats. We win with class, and lose with class.
Which is more than I can say for any other country I have watched.
The other dissapointing issue is that we were 21 mins away from a World Cup Final.
We punched above our weight, but we will come back stronger. The best is yet to come, and yes I am also very proud of England. 🏴
Hear hear. Southgate very likeable and did a superb job.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 11, 2018, 10:26:41 PM
England will come again, a very young team who care, with a Manager who cares.
Maybe they overachieved in this Competition, but the team and the manager showed class from start to finish, and the support from the magnificent England supporters was second to none.
The dissapointing aspect is, that we were 1 0 up and looking good, could have been 3 0 up at half time. Perhaps inexperience took its toll.
That's football, goals change games, but the England players were great examples to all those cheats from other countries. Ethically England are worlds away from those cheats. We win with class, and lose with class.
Which is more than I can say for any other country I have watched.
The other dissapointing issue is that we were 21 mins away from a World Cup Final.
We punched above our weight, but we will come back stronger. The best is yet to come, and yes I am also very proud of England. 🏴
Great post. Most of the starting 11 will still be round in 4 years.
Agreed it was amazing the England players didn't get hit by the same sniper fire that the other clubs did. It builds credibility
So... after 74 minutes Southgate takes off the only player in our team that causes them problems..... When Sterling left the pitch, our flair and creativity left with him. Croatia were laughing at us i presume. Rashford was rubbish today, miscontrolling or lacking in ideas and generally uninspiring. We had to play an extra 30 minutes without a spark.
Don't get me wrong, i'm chuffed how well we did, but Southgate made the wrong substitution tonight.
Well done England for a good run.
Given the youth and spirit in the team I would England is finally back in a position to threaten any major tournament.
No longer paper tigers in my opinion.
That's progress
Southgate and his kids have rebuilt England's respect.
The have been superb ambassadors for there country and should feel as we all do so proud of them all to a man.
Really frustrating because Croatia were there for the beating. I'd suggest that a better team than England would have done.
I think France will beat them relatively comfortably but the score line will be close.
I'm not sure any of the major teams are as good as they once were. We have a young team and manager who if they apply themselves could be better than they are. It will be interesting to see how they play Saturday.
The only big team that has really performed this WC is France.
Quote from: Tabby on July 12, 2018, 08:50:20 AM
The only big team that has really performed this WC is France.
Really....I thought Belgium were superb,and only went out to a set piece from France.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 12, 2018, 08:54:00 AM
Quote from: Tabby on July 12, 2018, 08:50:20 AM
The only big team that has really performed this WC is France.
Really....I thought Belgium were superb,and only went out to a set piece from France.
Belgium were almost knocked out by Japan. France on the other hand have not really been threatened so far imo, they were in control of all their games.
Belgium look like a much less solid side than the French, I think that is mainly down to their mediocre central midfield (Kante & Pogba vs Witsel and Fellaini).
the only real difference was the difference in quality in midfield. Modric always seems to pick the right ball, and if he doesn't, he'll make sure he retrieves it if lost. Him and rakitic are always looking to go forward and never rush matters; we on the other hand, have two CM's in Henderson and Dier who in my honest opinion are really poor. Sideways and backwards seems to be their M.O. Both are really not composed and have terrible distribution. As others have said, we did overachieve and am really proud of the lads. Going into this tournament just after having seen the selected squad, i held the belief that we were a bang average side on an individual level. Collectively, however, the team proved me wrong. They somewhat seemed to complement each other in a bizarre way: I reckon we'll have a far better side within the next 4 years given the abundance in talent our youth seem to possess!
Jesus Christ I was joking guys.
When did throwing pints in the air becoming standard practice? Wait ages to get served a £5 pint, lob it in the air in the hope of a camera filming it, then back to the bar...
B*llend behaviour
