The Official Silly Season Summer Transfer Thread 2021/22
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And why not...
We're already relegated, so plans must be underway to prepare for the 2021/22 season back in the Championship, so let's open The Official Silly Season Transfer Thread 2021/22.
Hopefully we retain a lot of our good players, but, feel there may be a few comings and goings over this summer, so, if you come across any transfer rumors, true of false, let us know below.
#FFC #FULHAMFC
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West Ham and Fulham show interest in Rovers striker Adam Armstrong
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Rovers face a fight to keep holding of top scorer Adam Armstrong as West Ham and Fulham step-up their pursuit of the striker.
West Ham are long-term admirers of Armstrong, and are set to be in the market for a striker this summer, while Fulham will be keen to make a quick return to the flight and struggled for goals all season.
That has led to interest in Armstrong, with the future of their star striker, Aleksandar Mitrovic, less than certain.
The Lancashire Telegraph understands that both clubs will consider bids during the close season, while Brighton and Everton are also monitoring the situation with the 24-year-old.
It is understood that sides will need to stump up at least £20m to prise Armstrong away from Rovers after a goal-laden season that saw only former Newcastle team-mate Ivan Toney, now with Brentford, outscore him.
Armstrong has a year left on his contract after signing from Newcastle United in 2018, but Rovers haven't given up hope of the striker extending his stay beyond next summer, and will make a final push to try and keep hold of their star man who scored 28 Championship goals last season.
His former club, Newcastle, have a 40 per cent sell-on clause in any possible sale, and that could see them make a move for the striker who has also spent time on loan at Coventry City and Barnsley.
Armstrong has played 160 times for Rovers since signing on loan in January 2018, scoring 64 times. Forty of those have come since the start of 2020, with Armstrong netting three hat-tricks, including successive ones at Ewood Park in big wins over Huddersfield Town and Birmingham City to close out the campaign.
Manager Tony Mowbray says after the final day win that transfer interest in Armstrong this summer would be understandable and inevitable.
"That's fine, so they should, they're not doing their job if they're not looking at Adam Armstrong," Mowbray said.
"That's out of my control. For Adam's sake let's hope the phone rings and someone offers us a ridiculous amount of money, we shake him by the hand and we say go and bang in loads of goals in the Premier League and we'll use some of that money in the team and can find another striker who can bang loads of goals in.
"That's football, that's happened since the game started. He's shown what a talent he is.
"Let's keep rolling, see what the summer brings for Adam and the team."
https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/19318042.west-ham-fulham-show-interest-rovers-striker-adam-armstrong/
Rumours I've seen so far:
- Adam Armstrong (striker)
- Ike Ugbo (striker)
- Taiwo Awoniyi (forward)
- Siriki Dembele (winger)
- Johnny Russell (forward)
- Yannick Bolasie (winger)
- Kean Bryan (centre-back)
We should open this thread on Sept 1st. No chance of anything before then.
Quote from: Twig on May 21, 2021, 05:37:05 PM
We should open this thread on Sept 1st. No chance of anything before then.
This is the silly one. No need to make it too realistic or serious
Ramsdale has been excellent for Sheff Utd.
So our first target in a window where there is, according to some, no reason nor excuse for us not to do our transfer business early is also coveted by West Ham, with Everton and Brighton showing interest. Unlikely, therefore, the player will be desperate to sign for us at the moment. If so, does this mean we strike him off our list already and pursue our second-choice target? And does this not suggest that signing the players we would like is not as simple as going shopping at the supermarket?
Can a manger be added to potentials also?
The big issue is going to be Mitro , do we sell him or replace him first.
I would scout heavily in Germany right now. The modern game is the Bundesliga way. We saw it in the premier league with multiple wingback systems, and Parker even used it. If he stays with us, he and TK need to prepare us for the prem again by signing quality, goal-scoring, 1.Bundesliga 1 and 2.Bundesliga, prospects.
Taking a look at the 2.Bundesliga alone, several players in their prime have scored 5+ goals this year, and come from some form of a U19 big club like Dortmund, even Schalke before their relegation.
Quote from: Arthur on May 21, 2021, 09:02:58 PM
So our first target in a window where there is, according to some, no reason nor excuse for us not to do our transfer business early is also coveted by West Ham, with Everton and Brighton showing interest. Unlikely, therefore, the player will be desperate to sign for us at the moment. If so, does this mean we strike him off our list already and pursue our second-choice target? And does this not suggest that signing the players we would like is not as simple as going shopping at the supermarket?
So right Arthur:
So many fans can just not understand the way of the modern transfer market. The most obstructive being agents, holding out to the very last minute to obtain the most lucrative deal for
their
Client
Daryl Dike - an American scoring goals for fun in the Championship. It'd be a match made in heaven.
Quote from: filham on May 21, 2021, 10:03:22 PM
The big issue is going to be Mitro , do we sell him or replace him first.
Buy a replacement first then we will see who wants him.
I don't get the Mitro love in. He has not seemed bothered this year. Rumors he asked for transfers twice, time to move on. Breaking up can be hard, but you just got to do it.
Quote from: filham on May 21, 2021, 10:03:22 PM
The big issue is going to be Mitro , do we sell him or replace him first.
We keep Mitrovic for the first half of the season minimum and ïn addition on deadline day bring in a ¨Loan with option¨. We can then see where we are in mid-season, the market price of Mitrovic, whether we buy the loan player, and other options in the market. David Levy will be holding out for an incredible dealon Kane, we should do the same.
Don't rush to sell Mitro (great yo-yo player), his value will increase next season in the championship. Sell him when his value is high, and we have at least one other striker integrated into the team scoring goals.
We only have two years of parchuate payments left, if we replace Mitrovic with a quality centre forward it will have to be a loan player or using the money that we get for Mitrovic. I'd want more for Mitro than we paid for Cav and Reid combined (which is unlikely to happen). Frankly, I don't care if Mitro wants to stay, we should keep him regardless.
Jose interested in Mitro
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/14997895/jose-mourinho-aleksandar-mitrovic-roma-fulham/
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on May 22, 2021, 10:32:44 AM
Jose interested in Mitro
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/14997895/jose-mourinho-aleksandar-mitrovic-roma-fulham/
Could see Mitro doing well in Serie A. Hope it's not true though.
Quote from: Porthogs FC on May 21, 2021, 07:23:48 PM
Quote from: Twig on May 21, 2021, 05:37:05 PM
We should open this thread on Sept 1st. No chance of anything before then.
This is the silly one. No need to make it too realistic or serious
Ah, yes sorry I was forgetting myself.
Just been reading about Alex Pritchard being released. I always thought he looked a decent player and would surely be a decent option on the bench for us given our lack of attacking talent?
Will get shot down as he hasn't had the best of times at Huddersfield but who has recently.
Quote from: PaulJ123 on May 22, 2021, 12:32:14 PM
Just been reading about Alex Pritchard being released. I always thought he looked a decent player and would surely be a decent option on the bench for us given our lack of attacking talent?
Will get shot down as he hasn't had the best of times at Huddersfield but who has recently.
We have enough bench warmers already so no need to sign another one.
Quote from: Whitestone on May 22, 2021, 01:55:01 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on May 22, 2021, 12:32:14 PM
Just been reading about Alex Pritchard being released. I always thought he looked a decent player and would surely be a decent option on the bench for us given our lack of attacking talent?
Will get shot down as he hasn't had the best of times at Huddersfield but who has recently.
We have enough bench warmers already so no need to sign another one.
He is not a centre half so no room for him
Quote from: Whitestone on May 22, 2021, 01:55:01 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on May 22, 2021, 12:32:14 PM
Just been reading about Alex Pritchard being released. I always thought he looked a decent player and would surely be a decent option on the bench for us given our lack of attacking talent?
Will get shot down as he hasn't had the best of times at Huddersfield but who has recently.
We have enough bench warmers already so no need to sign another one.
Ex bang average Spurs youngster so he'll be signed up.
An in-depth look at the Summer Transfer Window, and also discussing Scott Parker's future.
https://t.co/9er6ccqM7Y?amp=1
Quote from: Blawarmy on May 22, 2021, 03:06:48 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on May 22, 2021, 01:55:01 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on May 22, 2021, 12:32:14 PM
Just been reading about Alex Pritchard being released. I always thought he looked a decent player and would surely be a decent option on the bench for us given our lack of attacking talent?
Will get shot down as he hasn't had the best of times at Huddersfield but who has recently.
We have enough bench warmers already so no need to sign another one.
Ex bang average Spurs youngster so he'll be signed up.
And nursing a long term injury no doubt....
We're probably end up with Billy Sharp, we'll he's been everywhere else and scores the odd goal which is a bonus on this season.
Norwich looking at Tosin per skysports news
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on May 25, 2021, 04:09:37 PM
Norwich looking at Tosin per skysports news
We should be putting a £25 million price tag on him, same as what Everton paid for Godfrey. He's just as good in my opinion.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on May 25, 2021, 04:25:51 PM
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on May 25, 2021, 04:09:37 PM
Norwich looking at Tosin per skysports news
We should be putting a £25 million price tag on him, same as what Everton paid for Godfrey. He's just as good in my opinion.
The price tag should be £0 because he's not for sale. Disgrace if he leaves.
Quote from: wheelerdeeler on May 24, 2021, 06:04:14 PM
An in-depth look at the Summer Transfer Window, and also discussing Scott Parker's future.
https://t.co/9er6ccqM7Y?amp=1
Some honourable mentions are Rob Dickie, Krystian Bielik (who has Tony Khan written all over), Frank Onyeka, Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall, Jakub Kaminski, Siriki Dembele and Vedat Muriqi.
https://twitter.com/The_Bladesman/status/1397990549286699011?s=20
Quote from: Asotosyios on May 27, 2021, 10:30:22 PM
https://twitter.com/The_Bladesman/status/1397990549286699011?s=20
May not be a popular view, but anything north of £6m I would take it.
Doubt that Sheff U would bid that much though.
I believe TC is a Yorkie though, perhaps a conversation has already been had.
Quote from: Jims Dentist on May 27, 2021, 11:45:12 PM
Quote from: Asotosyios on May 27, 2021, 10:30:22 PM
https://twitter.com/The_Bladesman/status/1397990549286699011?s=20
May not be a popular view, but anything north of £6m I would take it.
Doubt that Sheff U would bid that much though.
I believe TC is a Yorkie though, perhaps a conversation has already been had.
He's not a Yorkie, he grew up in Nottingham and was rejected by Leeds as a youngster.
I have a feeling the club would accept a decent bid because of his injury problems. If he leaves, that's the team's identity dead and buried.
Quote from: wheelerdeeler on May 24, 2021, 06:04:14 PM
An in-depth look at the Summer Transfer Window, and also discussing Scott Parker's future.
https://t.co/9er6ccqM7Y?amp=1
Thanks for this extensive & fascinating scan around European football for some likely lads
So if Cairney was to leave who becomes our playmaker next season . In fact our midfild could need a complete rebuild.
No K Mac, Stefjo at QPR, Anguissa off, Lemina away.
Essential we hang on to Reed and then maybe make an attemt to Keep Lemina.
Quote from: filham on May 28, 2021, 10:03:47 AM
So if Cairney was to leave who becomes our playmaker next season . In fact our midfild could need a complete rebuild.
No K Mac, Stefjo at QPR, Anguissa off, Lemina away.
Essential we hang on to Reed and then maybe make an attemt to Keep Lemina.
Seri could play the role, I'd keep Johansen as well.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on May 28, 2021, 10:08:33 AM
Quote from: filham on May 28, 2021, 10:03:47 AM
So if Cairney was to leave who becomes our playmaker next season . In fact our midfild could need a complete rebuild.
No K Mac, Stefjo at QPR, Anguissa off, Lemina away.
Essential we hang on to Reed and then maybe make an attemt to Keep Lemina.
Seri could play the role, I'd keep Johansen as well.
I've yet to see Seri show anything to suggest he's a playmaker and Stef Jo isn't either. We would need a new signing and might well struggle to do better than a fully fit TC. Of course, if TC can't get fit then imo we'd have no option but to look to sign someone. The absence of a TC type really blunted us this season
Quote from: Twig on May 28, 2021, 11:10:57 AM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on May 28, 2021, 10:08:33 AM
Quote from: filham on May 28, 2021, 10:03:47 AM
So if Cairney was to leave who becomes our playmaker next season . In fact our midfild could need a complete rebuild.
No K Mac, Stefjo at QPR, Anguissa off, Lemina away.
Essential we hang on to Reed and then maybe make an attemt to Keep Lemina.
Seri could play the role, I'd keep Johansen as well.
I've yet to see Seri show anything to suggest he's a playmaker and Stef Jo isn't either. We would need a new signing and might well struggle to do better than a fully fit TC. Of course, if TC can't get fit then imo we'd have no option but to look to sign someone. The absence of a TC type really blunted us this season
If we sell Cairney then we will need two playmakers (one as back up). I would say that such players are extremely hard to come by. So no we should not sell Cairney!
Aside from the first 3-4 games when he was playing in the sunshine - Seri has shown absolutely nothing in a Fulham (or any other) shirt to suggest he will be in any way shape or form ready,willing or able to be a first teamer for us next season.
Quote from: Lordedmundo on May 28, 2021, 12:00:28 PM
Quote from: Twig on May 28, 2021, 11:10:57 AM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on May 28, 2021, 10:08:33 AM
Quote from: filham on May 28, 2021, 10:03:47 AM
So if Cairney was to leave who becomes our playmaker next season . In fact our midfild could need a complete rebuild.
No K Mac, Stefjo at QPR, Anguissa off, Lemina away.
Essential we hang on to Reed and then maybe make an attemt to Keep Lemina.
Seri could play the role, I'd keep Johansen as well.
I've yet to see Seri show anything to suggest he's a playmaker and Stef Jo isn't either. We would need a new signing and might well struggle to do better than a fully fit TC. Of course, if TC can't get fit then imo we'd have no option but to look to sign someone. The absence of a TC type really blunted us this season
If we sell Cairney then we will need two playmakers (one as back up). I would say that such players are extremely hard to come by. So no we should not sell Cairney!
Aside from the first 3-4 games when he was playing in the sunshine - Seri has shown absolutely nothing in a Fulham (or any other) shirt to suggest he will be in any way shape or form ready,willing or able to be a first teamer for us next season.
Agreed. Cairney may be injury prone, but there really aren't many players like him. StefJo type of players are even more rare. I can't think of a current modern day player who plays like StefJo.
Cairney's possession in the middle of the pitch is what keeps the balance of attack going, and allows freedom to build in those crucial attacking thirds. It's not a coincidence that we lost the sharpness there when he left. RLC was supposed to be the next reliable one here, but his first touch was not consistent, and his power dribbles forward rarely led to direct chances.
I think we could be in a bad spot if we sell Cairney and StefJo. Hopefully the scouts are keeping an eye on some actually proven playmakers that can either sit in the regista spot or be a classic number 10.
I think Seri made it clear two seasons ago that he was not prepared to drop down to Championship level so without a fit Cairney we are without a playmaker and finding a replacement is not going to be easy.
Bring back Roberts, I always felt that he would develop into that position or even Cauley Woodrow, Some lateral thinking is required.
Thats the big problem we had this year, no decent palymaker able to dominate a game
Quote from: filham on May 28, 2021, 06:08:25 PM
I think Seri made it clear two seasons ago that he was not prepared to drop down to Championship level so without a fit Cairney we are without a playmaker and finding a replacement is not going to be easy.
Bring back Roberts, I always felt that he would develop into that position or even Cauley Woodrow, Some lateral thinking is required.
Carvalho? appreciate thats a punt but I'd love for him to come good in that positon
We need another signing like when we first signed Cairney. A young english midfielder with some flair and attacking prowess. We know tom cant cut it at the PL level and he's getting older/injury prone. Perfect departure for us as long as we recruit an adequate young replacement. May i suggest Styles from Barnsley. Would be a cracking signing.
Quote from: vancouver on May 28, 2021, 07:45:29 PM
We need another signing like when we first signed Cairney. A young english midfielder with some flair and attacking prowess. We know tom cant cut it at the PL level and he's getting older/injury prone. Perfect departure for us as long as we recruit an adequate young replacement. May i suggest Styles from Barnsley. Would be a cracking signing.
A good suggestion.
Having reached the play-offs, however, Barnsley will, I'm sure, be aiming to repeat that feat next season. As such, I think we'll need to offer, what would be for us, something of a 'king's ransom' in order to persuade The Tykes to sell. And even then, it wouldn't surprise me were there to be interest from at least one Premier League club - which, of course, will certainly be the preferred destination of the selling club and, very likely, of the player himself.
Quote from: jayffc on May 28, 2021, 07:08:31 PM
Quote from: filham on May 28, 2021, 06:08:25 PM
I think Seri made it clear two seasons ago that he was not prepared to drop down to Championship level so without a fit Cairney we are without a playmaker and finding a replacement is not going to be easy.
Bring back Roberts, I always felt that he would develop into that position or even Cauley Woodrow, Some lateral thinking is required.
Carvalho? appreciate thats a punt but I'd love for him to come good in that positon
Carvalho deserves a chance.
Quote from: Arthur on May 28, 2021, 08:32:34 PM
Quote from: vancouver on May 28, 2021, 07:45:29 PM
We need another signing like when we first signed Cairney. A young english midfielder with some flair and attacking prowess. We know tom cant cut it at the PL level and he's getting older/injury prone. Perfect departure for us as long as we recruit an adequate young replacement. May i suggest Styles from Barnsley. Would be a cracking signing.
A good suggestion.
Having reached the play-offs, however, Barnsley will, I'm sure, be aiming to repeat that feat next season. As such, I think we'll need to offer, what would be for us, something of a 'king's ransom' in order to persuade The Tykes to sell. And even then, it wouldn't surprise me were there to be interest from at least one Premier League club - which, of course, will certainly be the preferred destination of the selling club and, very likely, of the player himself.
Yeah, great shout, but I'm afraid he'll be PL bound.
After that, I am not sure who else is out there that could do the job. In Parker's system we know it's not just about attacking prowess though, so chances are someone who can defend just as well as they can attack. Personally, and I go this route a lot, but someone from the Bundesliga would suit this model as that league is geared for high pressure, and players are all required to be attackers and defenders.
Knowing us though, we'll probably find some unproven Ligue 1 player. Not sure I can stomach that again to be perfectly honest.
We should not sell Cairney he will be vital next season but if we do for whatever reason maybe someone like Hourihane could come in plus we have Carvalho
A lot of people getting their knickers in a twist about either Mitro or Cairney joining Sheff Utd, well I'll make a prediction now that will have those people blubbering if it does happen,
Ryan Sessegnon to Utd on a one year loan with an option to buy, far more likely to happen than either of the other two,
Watch this space.
Quote from: Riversider on May 29, 2021, 08:43:04 AM
A lot of people getting their knickers in a twist about either Mitro or Cairney joining Sheff Utd, well I'll make a prediction now that will have those people blubbering if it does happen,
Ryan Sessegnon to Utd on a one year loan with an option to buy, far more likely to happen than either of the other two,
Watch this space.
Sess has had a successful loan in the Bundesliga so wouldn't accept a drop down a division.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on May 29, 2021, 09:18:18 AM
Quote from: Riversider on May 29, 2021, 08:43:04 AM
A lot of people getting their knickers in a twist about either Mitro or Cairney joining Sheff Utd, well I'll make a prediction now that will have those people blubbering if it does happen,
Ryan Sessegnon to Utd on a one year loan with an option to buy, far more likely to happen than either of the other two,
Watch this space.
Sess has had a successful loan in the Bundesliga so wouldn't accept a drop down a division.
Not sure how you are defining successful ?
Quote from: Riversider on May 29, 2021, 11:14:45 AM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on May 29, 2021, 09:18:18 AM
Quote from: Riversider on May 29, 2021, 08:43:04 AM
A lot of people getting their knickers in a twist about either Mitro or Cairney joining Sheff Utd, well I'll make a prediction now that will have those people blubbering if it does happen,
Ryan Sessegnon to Utd on a one year loan with an option to buy, far more likely to happen than either of the other two,
Watch this space.
Sess has had a successful loan in the Bundesliga so wouldn't accept a drop down a division.
Not sure how you are defining successful ?
Played 28 games and likely would've played more but he missed 8 games with injury. 2 goals and 3 assists despite mainly playing left back.
He's had a taste of top league football and isn't likely to drop down to a second division level.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on May 29, 2021, 11:25:52 AM
Quote from: Riversider on May 29, 2021, 11:14:45 AM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on May 29, 2021, 09:18:18 AM
Quote from: Riversider on May 29, 2021, 08:43:04 AM
A lot of people getting their knickers in a twist about either Mitro or Cairney joining Sheff Utd, well I'll make a prediction now that will have those people blubbering if it does happen,
Ryan Sessegnon to Utd on a one year loan with an option to buy, far more likely to happen than either of the other two,
Watch this space.
Sess has had a successful loan in the Bundesliga so wouldn't accept a drop down a division.
Not sure how you are defining successful ?
Played 28 games and likely would've played more but he missed 8 games with injury. 2 goals and 3 assists despite mainly playing left back.
He's had a taste of top league football and isn't likely to drop down to a second division level.
Oh ok, to me successful would have meant Spurs welcoming him back with open arms to play in The Premier League which I can't see happening, unless Norwich, Watford or Palace fancy him on loan I believe there is every chance he will be playing in The Championship next season which wouldn't be a bad idea for him.
Quote from: vancouver on May 28, 2021, 07:45:29 PM
We need another signing like when we first signed Cairney. A young english midfielder with some flair and attacking prowess. We know tom cant cut it at the PL level and he's getting older/injury prone. Perfect departure for us as long as we recruit an adequate young replacement. May i suggest Styles from Barnsley. Would be a cracking signing.
Agreed, he is quality and can only get better.
It's been reported on twitter that Daryl Dike might be sold to Fulham. If true, I'm guessing Mitrovic will be sold.
Quote from: Riversider on May 29, 2021, 11:33:54 AM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on May 29, 2021, 11:25:52 AM
Quote from: Riversider on May 29, 2021, 11:14:45 AM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on May 29, 2021, 09:18:18 AM
Quote from: Riversider on May 29, 2021, 08:43:04 AM
A lot of people getting their knickers in a twist about either Mitro or Cairney joining Sheff Utd, well I'll make a prediction now that will have those people blubbering if it does happen,
Ryan Sessegnon to Utd on a one year loan with an option to buy, far more likely to happen than either of the other two,
Watch this space.
Sess has had a successful loan in the Bundesliga so wouldn't accept a drop down a division.
Not sure how you are defining successful ?
Played 28 games and likely would've played more but he missed 8 games with injury. 2 goals and 3 assists despite mainly playing left back.
He's had a taste of top league football and isn't likely to drop down to a second division level.
Oh ok, to me successful would have meant Spurs welcoming him back with open arms to play in The Premier League which I can't see happening, unless Norwich, Watford or Palace fancy him on loan I believe there is every chance he will be playing in The Championship next season which wouldn't be a bad idea for him.
I'm sure he'll get many offers on loan.
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on May 29, 2021, 09:53:58 PM
It's been reported on twitter that Daryl Dike might be sold to Fulham. If true, I'm guessing Mitrovic will be sold.
Hope not. Watched him in the playoffs and seems to have an attitude problem, lucky not to have been sent off first leg and only used as sub second leg.
Quote from: sarnian on May 29, 2021, 10:49:20 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on May 29, 2021, 09:53:58 PM
It's been reported on twitter that Daryl Dike might be sold to Fulham. If true, I'm guessing Mitrovic will be sold.
Hope not. Watched him in the playoffs and seems to have an attitude problem, lucky not to have been sent off first leg and only used as sub second leg.
I've only ever heard positive things about Dike's attitude from his manager, coaches and teammates.
Quote from: sarnian on May 29, 2021, 10:49:20 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on May 29, 2021, 09:53:58 PM
It's been reported on twitter that Daryl Dike might be sold to Fulham. If true, I'm guessing Mitrovic will be sold.
Hope not. Watched him in the playoffs and seems to have an attitude problem, lucky not to have been sent off first leg and only used as sub second leg.
He definitely doesn't have an attitude problem. Smart, hard working player.
The guy tweeting this works for Orlando City who owns Dike. So interesting. Dike is a poor man's Lukaku. Not a technical player , but strong and fast for his big size, and has natural goal scoring instincts.
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/a-move-that-would-make-perfect-sense-fulham-eye-deal-for-powerful-forward-the-verdict/
So
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on May 30, 2021, 01:09:23 AM
Quote from: sarnian on May 29, 2021, 10:49:20 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on May 29, 2021, 09:53:58 PM
It's been reported on twitter that Daryl Dike might be sold to Fulham. If true, I'm guessing Mitrovic will be sold.
Hope not. Watched him in the playoffs and seems to have an attitude problem, lucky not to have been sent off first leg and only used as sub second leg.
He definitely doesn't have an attitude problem. Smart, hard working player.
The guy tweeting this works for Orlando City who owns Dike. So interesting. Dike is a poor man's Lukaku. Not a technical player , but strong and fast for his big size, and has natural goal scoring instincts.
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/a-move-that-would-make-perfect-sense-fulham-eye-deal-for-powerful-forward-the-verdict/
So you listen to Dikes agent and believe him. I watched him play in those playoff semi finals and listened to what the pundits said about him being dropped for the second leg because of his actions and attitude in the first leg game.
If Lookman and Loftus Cheek's agents and owning clubs came on here praising both for their goal scoring potential, workrate and commitment to fighting for the cause who would you believe?. There agents or your own eyes after watching 30 odd turgid performances this last season from both. Enough said I believe.
Quote from: sarnian on May 30, 2021, 04:14:35 AM
So Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on May 30, 2021, 01:09:23 AM
Quote from: sarnian on May 29, 2021, 10:49:20 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on May 29, 2021, 09:53:58 PM
It's been reported on twitter that Daryl Dike might be sold to Fulham. If true, I'm guessing Mitrovic will be sold.
Hope not. Watched him in the playoffs and seems to have an attitude problem, lucky not to have been sent off first leg and only used as sub second leg.
He definitely doesn't have an attitude problem. Smart, hard working player.
The guy tweeting this works for Orlando City who owns Dike. So interesting. Dike is a poor man's Lukaku. Not a technical player , but strong and fast for his big size, and has natural goal scoring instincts.
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/a-move-that-would-make-perfect-sense-fulham-eye-deal-for-powerful-forward-the-verdict/
So you listen to Dikes agent and believe him. I watched him play in those playoff semi finals and listened to what the pundits said about him being dropped for the second leg because of his actions and attitude in the first leg game.
If Lookman and Loftus Cheek's agents and owning clubs came on here praising both for their goal scoring potential, workrate and commitment to fighting for the cause who would you believe?. There agents or your own eyes after watching 30 odd turgid performances this last season from both. Enough said I believe.
No, the guy talking about this on twitter is not his agent, but is an American-Brazilian soccer personality on twitter who also coaches at Orlando City who Dike plays for. More power to you for believing the word of commentators for one playoff game. If that is how you scout players, you do you. However, over a young career, he's known in American football circles for being smart, coachable, and hard working. Dude totally transformed Barnsley after the winter break, which got them into the playoffs in the first place.
Quote from: sarnian on May 30, 2021, 04:14:35 AM
So Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on May 30, 2021, 01:09:23 AM
Quote from: sarnian on May 29, 2021, 10:49:20 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on May 29, 2021, 09:53:58 PM
It's been reported on twitter that Daryl Dike might be sold to Fulham. If true, I'm guessing Mitrovic will be sold.
Hope not. Watched him in the playoffs and seems to have an attitude problem, lucky not to have been sent off first leg and only used as sub second leg.
He definitely doesn't have an attitude problem. Smart, hard working player.
The guy tweeting this works for Orlando City who owns Dike. So interesting. Dike is a poor man's Lukaku. Not a technical player , but strong and fast for his big size, and has natural goal scoring instincts.
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/a-move-that-would-make-perfect-sense-fulham-eye-deal-for-powerful-forward-the-verdict/
So you listen to Dikes agent and believe him. I watched him play in those playoff semi finals and listened to what the pundits said about him being dropped for the second leg because of his actions and attitude in the first leg game.
If Lookman and Loftus Cheek's agents and owning clubs came on here praising both for their goal scoring potential, workrate and commitment to fighting for the cause who would you believe?. There agents or your own eyes after watching 30 odd turgid performances this last season from both. Enough said I believe.
If you listen to pundits you would believe RLC was one Fulham's top performers this season. Lyle is correct that Dike is well known for his coachability and work ethic. Here is what one of his Barnsley teammates had to say about him.
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/how-daryl-dike-made-a-lasting-impression-at-barnsley-3253369
By the way, I watched the playoff matches too and heard the Barnsley fans singing to Dike during the home match. Tells me a lot that the fans had a song for a guy on a half season loan deal.
I'd really like Dike. Watched him play for Orlando as well. He's made the step up, and we need to take advantage of the momentum. Hopefully Jedi and Ream are talking up Fulham to him.
A lot of quality players in the Blackpool v Lincoln City side. Kenny Dougal is someone I've been watching for a while. He's got the vision and can strike the ball (two goals today of course), always popping up in the right spot. Think he'd be an excellent signing. Of course, tough to persuade, but still worth a punt.
Apparently Famara Diédhiou is a free agent this summer. Would you take him as a back-up striker?
Jordan Shipley is also apparently on a free transfer, been promoted in league two and one and just had a season in the championship, young guy, might not be a bad squad player to have around if we have no budget.
Dike looks pretty cumbersome to me to be honest,looks a long way off prem quality and a pretty standard mid to upper champ player
That's based on not too much extensive research but well see if it materialises and will wait to see him in person
Dike link also ignores the obvious that he'd be a like for like Mitrovic replacement stylistically, which Parker clearly doesn't like as a type of player. It's why I highlighted more mobile options in the Preview I put in here a week or so ago.
I think a Cauley return may happen.
Just watched a Styles hype video. Some lovely little clips of the guy, would happily take him but only if Cairney leaves.
Dike seems good if Mitro leaves.
Any thoughts on Ryan Gauld? might be the scot in me talking but he looks handy for the touted 3 odd million. Tasty left foot and takes set pieces
Quote from: wheelerdeeler on May 31, 2021, 12:18:13 AM
Dike link also ignores the obvious that he'd be a like for like Mitrovic replacement stylistically, which Parker clearly doesn't like as a type of player. It's why I highlighted more mobile options in the Preview I put in here a week or so ago.
This ignores that the Championship and the Premier League are two different competitions, and Mitrovic was the leader of the squad in Parker's first full season in charge.
https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-liverpool-transfer-taiwo-awoniyi-5475892
Inside track on 'robust' Liverpool forward linked with Stoke City, West Brom and Fulham
Taiwo Awoniyi is expected to be on the move this summer after finally landing a work permit to play in England.
Awoniyi, aged 23, has spent his career so far on loan in either Belgium or Germany after joining Liverpool from former Stoke City midfielder Seyi Olofinjana's Imperial Soccer Academy back in 2015.
But the Nigeria youth striker has now qualified to play in the UK thanks to 16 starts in the Bundesliga over the last season with Union Berlin, who finished seventh.
The Liverpool Echo claims a number of English clubs have contacted Liverpool to register an interest - and Goal claim that includes Stoke, Fulham and West Brom, who will all be playing in the Championship next season.
The Athletic claims "Liverpool would sell for around £8m" but transfer fees are expected to be few and far between in the second tier this summer and a loan move might be most likely.
It is one month in particular over the winter, during a season affected by injuries, that has got managers on alert.
Bundeliga expert Daniel Pinder told Football FanCast: "He got five goals and three assists, and that run of five goals came across seven games, but then he picked up an injury and hasn't been the same since.
"But he's a player that puts himself around the box – he's tall, strong, wins those aerial battles and holds onto the ball well and brings in his teammates."
Quote from: Barrett487 on May 31, 2021, 03:41:08 PM
https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-liverpool-transfer-taiwo-awoniyi-5475892
Inside track on 'robust' Liverpool forward linked with Stoke City, West Brom and Fulham
Taiwo Awoniyi is expected to be on the move this summer after finally landing a work permit to play in England.
Awoniyi, aged 23, has spent his career so far on loan in either Belgium or Germany after joining Liverpool from former Stoke City midfielder Seyi Olofinjana's Imperial Soccer Academy back in 2015.
But the Nigeria youth striker has now qualified to play in the UK thanks to 16 starts in the Bundesliga over the last season with Union Berlin, who finished seventh.
The Liverpool Echo claims a number of English clubs have contacted Liverpool to register an interest - and Goal claim that includes Stoke, Fulham and West Brom, who will all be playing in the Championship next season.
The Athletic claims "Liverpool would sell for around £8m" but transfer fees are expected to be few and far between in the second tier this summer and a loan move might be most likely.
It is one month in particular over the winter, during a season affected by injuries, that has got managers on alert.
Bundeliga expert Daniel Pinder told Football FanCast: "He got five goals and three assists, and that run of five goals came across seven games, but then he picked up an injury and hasn't been the same since.
"But he's a player that puts himself around the box – he's tall, strong, wins those aerial battles and holds onto the ball well and brings in his teammates."
Watched him in the Bundesliga. Quite strong, and decent pace, just issues with finishing his chanceson occasion. Still, a player with Bundesliga experience is one I am a big fan of.
Quote from: Matt10 on May 31, 2021, 04:54:00 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on May 31, 2021, 03:41:08 PM
https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-liverpool-transfer-taiwo-awoniyi-5475892
Inside track on 'robust' Liverpool forward linked with Stoke City, West Brom and Fulham
Taiwo Awoniyi is expected to be on the move this summer after finally landing a work permit to play in England.
Awoniyi, aged 23, has spent his career so far on loan in either Belgium or Germany after joining Liverpool from former Stoke City midfielder Seyi Olofinjana's Imperial Soccer Academy back in 2015.
But the Nigeria youth striker has now qualified to play in the UK thanks to 16 starts in the Bundesliga over the last season with Union Berlin, who finished seventh.
The Liverpool Echo claims a number of English clubs have contacted Liverpool to register an interest - and Goal claim that includes Stoke, Fulham and West Brom, who will all be playing in the Championship next season.
The Athletic claims "Liverpool would sell for around £8m" but transfer fees are expected to be few and far between in the second tier this summer and a loan move might be most likely.
It is one month in particular over the winter, during a season affected by injuries, that has got managers on alert.
Bundeliga expert Daniel Pinder told Football FanCast: "He got five goals and three assists, and that run of five goals came across seven games, but then he picked up an injury and hasn't been the same since.
"But he's a player that puts himself around the box – he's tall, strong, wins those aerial battles and holds onto the ball well and brings in his teammates."
Watched him in the Bundesliga. Quite strong, and decent pace, just issues with finishing his chanceson occasion. Still, a player with Bundesliga experience is one I am a big fan of.
Can't finish and recent injuries makes him a shoe-in :005:
Quote from: Barrett487 on May 31, 2021, 05:35:47 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on May 31, 2021, 04:54:00 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on May 31, 2021, 03:41:08 PM
https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-liverpool-transfer-taiwo-awoniyi-5475892
Inside track on 'robust' Liverpool forward linked with Stoke City, West Brom and Fulham
Taiwo Awoniyi is expected to be on the move this summer after finally landing a work permit to play in England.
Awoniyi, aged 23, has spent his career so far on loan in either Belgium or Germany after joining Liverpool from former Stoke City midfielder Seyi Olofinjana's Imperial Soccer Academy back in 2015.
But the Nigeria youth striker has now qualified to play in the UK thanks to 16 starts in the Bundesliga over the last season with Union Berlin, who finished seventh.
The Liverpool Echo claims a number of English clubs have contacted Liverpool to register an interest - and Goal claim that includes Stoke, Fulham and West Brom, who will all be playing in the Championship next season.
The Athletic claims "Liverpool would sell for around £8m" but transfer fees are expected to be few and far between in the second tier this summer and a loan move might be most likely.
It is one month in particular over the winter, during a season affected by injuries, that has got managers on alert.
Bundeliga expert Daniel Pinder told Football FanCast: "He got five goals and three assists, and that run of five goals came across seven games, but then he picked up an injury and hasn't been the same since.
"But he's a player that puts himself around the box – he's tall, strong, wins those aerial battles and holds onto the ball well and brings in his teammates."
Watched him in the Bundesliga. Quite strong, and decent pace, just issues with finishing his chanceson occasion. Still, a player with Bundesliga experience is one I am a big fan of.
Can't finish and recent injuries makes him a shoe-in :005:
Indeed. Not to mention, he hasn't scored since January 049:gif
I notice we have a thing about Nigerians recently, not saying it's wrong just odd.
Quote from: bobby01 on May 31, 2021, 07:35:44 PM
I notice we have a thing about Nigerians recently, not saying it's wrong just odd.
They all grew up in London, so it isn't like it is that strange.
Quote from: bobby01 on May 31, 2021, 07:35:44 PM
I notice we have a thing about Nigerians recently, not saying it's wrong just odd.
We must have had an e mail telling us that HMRC had a court case against us
MAN CITY READY TO OFFLOAD NMECHA
Manchester City are looking to help finance moves for Harry Kane and Jack Grealish by offloading loan signings including striker Lukas Nmecha this summer, according to the Daily Mail.
Nmecha, who is valued at £7m, has scored 20 goals for Anderlecht this season and is a member of the Germany Under-21s team taking part in the European Championship that resumes on Monday.
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I would like to see us go for Nmecha regardless if Mitrovic stays or not. He could be another Tosin for us.
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Nmecha. 👍
Quote from: Matt10 on May 30, 2021, 10:25:59 PM
I'd really like Dike. Watched him play for Orlando as well. He's made the step up, and we need to take advantage of the momentum. Hopefully Jedi and Ream are talking up Fulham to him.
A lot of quality players in the Blackpool v Lincoln City side. Kenny Dougal is someone I've been watching for a while. He's got the vision and can strike the ball (two goals today of course), always popping up in the right spot. Think he'd be an excellent signing. Of course, tough to persuade, but still worth a punt.
Dike + Diedhiou, would be great firepower and give us two capable forwards at this level.
Quote from: Asotosyios on May 31, 2021, 10:24:34 PM
MAN CITY READY TO OFFLOAD NMECHA
Manchester City are looking to help finance moves for Harry Kane and Jack Grealish by offloading loan signings including striker Lukas Nmecha this summer, according to the Daily Mail.
Nmecha, who is valued at £7m, has scored 20 goals for Anderlecht this season and is a member of the Germany Under-21s team taking part in the European Championship that resumes on Monday.
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I would like to see us go for Nmecha regardless if Mitrovic stays or not. He could be another Tosin for us.
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Would know Tosin really well - Thought he was a failed talent, but that loan spell in Belgium looks mightily impressive.
Quote from: hongkongfulham on May 31, 2021, 07:20:00 AM
Just watched a Styles hype video. Some lovely little clips of the guy, would happily take him but only if Cairney leaves.
Dike seems good if Mitro leaves.
Any thoughts on Ryan Gauld? might be the scot in me talking but he looks handy for the touted 3 odd million. Tasty left foot and takes set pieces
We should be all over Gauld, thought he was a free agent this summer too.
Quote from: Bronaldinho on June 01, 2021, 04:06:50 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on May 30, 2021, 10:25:59 PM
I'd really like Dike. Watched him play for Orlando as well. He's made the step up, and we need to take advantage of the momentum. Hopefully Jedi and Ream are talking up Fulham to him.
A lot of quality players in the Blackpool v Lincoln City side. Kenny Dougal is someone I've been watching for a while. He's got the vision and can strike the ball (two goals today of course), always popping up in the right spot. Think he'd be an excellent signing. Of course, tough to persuade, but still worth a punt.
Dike + Diedhiou, would be great firepower and give us two capable forwards at this level.
Diedhiou is about 5 yards slower than Mitro which isn't the sort of forward that Parker wants (if he's staying), and neither are good enough for the PL should we get promoted so would be instantly discarded and thus the cycle of new players being required starts again
Quote from: Deeping_white on June 01, 2021, 05:00:45 PM
Quote from: Bronaldinho on June 01, 2021, 04:06:50 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on May 30, 2021, 10:25:59 PM
I'd really like Dike. Watched him play for Orlando as well. He's made the step up, and we need to take advantage of the momentum. Hopefully Jedi and Ream are talking up Fulham to him.
A lot of quality players in the Blackpool v Lincoln City side. Kenny Dougal is someone I've been watching for a while. He's got the vision and can strike the ball (two goals today of course), always popping up in the right spot. Think he'd be an excellent signing. Of course, tough to persuade, but still worth a punt.
Dike + Diedhiou, would be great firepower and give us two capable forwards at this level.
Diedhiou is about 5 yards slower than Mitro which isn't the sort of forward that Parker wants (if he's staying), and neither are good enough for the PL should we get promoted so would be instantly discarded and thus the cycle of new players being required starts again
We need a striker with pace and technical ability, bit like king louis saha was, a legend.
Quote from: Bronaldinho on June 01, 2021, 04:08:27 PM
Quote from: hongkongfulham on May 31, 2021, 07:20:00 AM
Just watched a Styles hype video. Some lovely little clips of the guy, would happily take him but only if Cairney leaves.
Dike seems good if Mitro leaves.
Any thoughts on Ryan Gauld? might be the scot in me talking but he looks handy for the touted 3 odd million. Tasty left foot and takes set pieces
We should be all over Gauld, thought he was a free agent this summer too.
Apparently they triggered an extension but are resigned to selling
QPR have signed Charlie Austin today, their 3rd summer signing, with Johansen fully expected to sign also, I don't expect them to compete with us, but it's undeniable that they've got momentum and a level of belief and optimism that we haven't seen for a while,
Fulham v QPR could well be very interesting next season.
Quote from: WORTHINGFULHAM on June 01, 2021, 05:19:19 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on June 01, 2021, 05:00:45 PM
Quote from: Bronaldinho on June 01, 2021, 04:06:50 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on May 30, 2021, 10:25:59 PM
I'd really like Dike. Watched him play for Orlando as well. He's made the step up, and we need to take advantage of the momentum. Hopefully Jedi and Ream are talking up Fulham to him.
A lot of quality players in the Blackpool v Lincoln City side. Kenny Dougal is someone I've been watching for a while. He's got the vision and can strike the ball (two goals today of course), always popping up in the right spot. Think he'd be an excellent signing. Of course, tough to persuade, but still worth a punt.
Dike + Diedhiou, would be great firepower and give us two capable forwards at this level.
Diedhiou is about 5 yards slower than Mitro which isn't the sort of forward that Parker wants (if he's staying), and neither are good enough for the PL should we get promoted so would be instantly discarded and thus the cycle of new players being required starts again
We need a striker with pace and technical ability, bit like king louis saha was, a legend.
Maybe Dike or Diedhou to come in as 3rd choice (and sell Kamara) - but neither seem to quite have the all around ability, experience and goalscoring record to come into a team aiming to finish in the top two.
Quote from: Riversider on June 02, 2021, 04:16:52 PM
QPR have signed Charlie Austin today, their 3rd summer signing, with Johansen fully expected to sign also, I don't expect them to compete with us, but it's undeniable that they've got momentum and a level of belief and optimism that we haven't seen for a while,
Fulham v QPR could well be very interesting next season.
Can easily see Stef Jo going. Passed over having helped us back to the top flight twice in a row. We are definitely going to need reinforcements in central midfield regardless.
Quote from: Riversider on June 02, 2021, 04:16:52 PM
QPR have signed Charlie Austin today, their 3rd summer signing, with Johansen fully expected to sign also, I don't expect them to compete with us, but it's undeniable that they've got momentum and a level of belief and optimism that we haven't seen for a while,
Fulham v QPR could well be very interesting next season.
Is the window open now then?
Been open since May 24.
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on June 02, 2021, 06:35:23 PM
Been open since May 24.
I assume our dof is working tirelessly behind the scenes, trying to build a promotion winning squad for next season?
Quote from: Blawarmy on June 02, 2021, 05:51:34 PM
Quote from: Riversider on June 02, 2021, 04:16:52 PM
QPR have signed Charlie Austin today, their 3rd summer signing, with Johansen fully expected to sign also, I don't expect them to compete with us, but it's undeniable that they've got momentum and a level of belief and optimism that we haven't seen for a while,
Fulham v QPR could well be very interesting next season.
Is the window open now then?
their record with Charlie Austin 2nd half of the season was pretty impressive tbf. If they keep up the momentum and make some other decent signings in the transfer window they may finally get back around the playoffs this year
Quote from: Blawarmy on June 02, 2021, 06:38:01 PM
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on June 02, 2021, 06:35:23 PM
Been open since May 24.
I assume our dof is working tirelessly behind the scenes, trying to build a promotion winning squad for next season?
Think the latest AEW promotion was called "Double or Nothing" which is as close we'll get.
#HoweIn
The wrestling thing is getting really tedious, lads. We will sign and sell players, that is a given because we always do, and wrestling will have no provable damaging or uplifting factor within that.
I was surprised that Austin was only 31! I always thought that him and Glenn Murray were kind of the same. 064.gif
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on June 02, 2021, 10:40:03 PM
The wrestling thing is getting really tedious, lads. We will sign and sell players, that is a given because we always do, and wrestling will have no provable damaging or uplifting factor within that.
I was surprised that Austin was only 31! I always thought that him and Glenn Murray were kind of the same. 064.gif
To be fair I guarantee no other club has a dof running 3 businesses.
Quote from: Jamie88 on June 02, 2021, 08:23:55 PM
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on June 02, 2021, 06:35:23 PM
Been open since May 24.
Not open until June 9th
That's the Premier League window. We are now classified as an EFL side.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on June 02, 2021, 10:40:03 PM
The wrestling thing is getting really tedious, lads. We will sign and sell players, that is a given because we always do, and wrestling will have no provable damaging or uplifting factor within that.
I was surprised that Austin was only 31! I always thought that him and Glenn Murray were kind of the same. 064.gif
We always do but it's always too late in the window with very little planning.
You got to feel wanted is Stef Jo is really wanted by the Fulham staff? He would probably be fantastic for us this season.But he deserves to have a choice of playing for who he wants to.
Quote from: Riversider on June 02, 2021, 04:16:52 PM
QPR have signed Charlie Austin today, their 3rd summer signing, with Johansen fully expected to sign also, I don't expect them to compete with us, but it's undeniable that they've got momentum and a level of belief and optimism that we haven't seen for a while,
Fulham v QPR could well be very interesting next season.
Only if we improve on last season where at the Cottage it was a question of will we fail to score or manage a solitary goal.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on June 02, 2021, 10:40:03 PM
The wrestling thing is getting really tedious, lads. We will sign and sell players, that is a given because we always do, and wrestling will have no provable damaging or uplifting factor within that.
I was surprised that Austin was only 31! I always thought that him and Glenn Murray were kind of the same. 064.gif
Quote from: Blawarmy on June 02, 2021, 11:43:19 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on June 02, 2021, 10:40:03 PM
The wrestling thing is getting really tedious, lads. We will sign and sell players, that is a given because we always do, and wrestling will have no provable damaging or uplifting factor within that.
I was surprised that Austin was only 31! I always thought that him and Glenn Murray were kind of the same. 064.gif
To be fair I guarantee no other club has a dof running 3 businesses.
Exactly!
Quote from: Blawarmy on June 02, 2021, 06:38:01 PM
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on June 02, 2021, 06:35:23 PM
Been open since May 24.
I assume our dof is working tirelessly behind the scenes, trying to build a promotion winning squad for next season?
He had not even given Fulham FC a thought because he doesn't really care, we are way down his list of priorities partly because he is as useless as a D of F as you can get. I hope he stays in cartoon land and make a fool of himself there than come to England and make a fool of himself here.
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on June 03, 2021, 12:50:32 AM
Quote from: Jamie88 on June 02, 2021, 08:23:55 PM
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on June 02, 2021, 06:35:23 PM
Been open since May 24.
Not open until June 9th
That's the Premier League window. We are now classified as an EFL side.
This article seems to indictate 9th June for the EFL
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/efl-fixture-release-transfer-window-24093908
Quote from: junior white on June 03, 2021, 04:05:58 PM
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on June 03, 2021, 12:50:32 AM
Quote from: Jamie88 on June 02, 2021, 08:23:55 PM
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on June 02, 2021, 06:35:23 PM
Been open since May 24.
Not open until June 9th
That's the Premier League window. We are now classified as an EFL side.
This article seems to indictate 9th June for the EFL
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/efl-fixture-release-transfer-window-24093908
Got the same answer looking around. Doesn't stop you from agreeing to sign someone mind.
Quote from: junior white on June 03, 2021, 04:05:58 PM
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on June 03, 2021, 12:50:32 AM
Quote from: Jamie88 on June 02, 2021, 08:23:55 PM
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on June 02, 2021, 06:35:23 PM
Been open since May 24.
Not open until June 9th
That's the Premier League window. We are now classified as an EFL side.
This article seems to indictate 9th June for the EFL
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/efl-fixture-release-transfer-window-24093908
That was my understanding too. But for us when it opens is often an irrelevance. More importantly, when it closes. How close to 31/8/21 does TK want to leave it given the season starts on 7/8/21?
Quote from: Tabby on June 03, 2021, 04:46:19 PM
Quote from: junior white on June 03, 2021, 04:05:58 PM
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on June 03, 2021, 12:50:32 AM
Quote from: Jamie88 on June 02, 2021, 08:23:55 PM
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on June 02, 2021, 06:35:23 PM
Been open since May 24.
Not open until June 9th
That's the Premier League window. We are now classified as an EFL side.
This article seems to indictate 9th June for the EFL
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/efl-fixture-release-transfer-window-24093908
Got the same answer looking around. Doesn't stop you from agreeing to sign someone mind.
If QPR have 'signed' Austin then either the June date is wrong or has he signed some kind of pre contract agreement, if that can be done?
Quote from: Tabby on June 03, 2021, 04:46:19 PM
Quote from: junior white on June 03, 2021, 04:05:58 PM
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on June 03, 2021, 12:50:32 AM
Quote from: Jamie88 on June 02, 2021, 08:23:55 PM
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on June 02, 2021, 06:35:23 PM
Been open since May 24.
Not open until June 9th
That's the Premier League window. We are now classified as an EFL side.
This article seems to indictate 9th June for the EFL
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/efl-fixture-release-transfer-window-24093908
Got the same answer looking around. Doesn't stop you from agreeing to sign someone mind.
Nope agree, i just wanted to clarify the timings.
In fact when we signed Bullard we announced it 2 games before the end of the season if memory serves as I believe we met his clause and then Wigan didnt play him due to that
Quote from: Blawarmy on June 03, 2021, 04:56:47 PM
Quote from: Tabby on June 03, 2021, 04:46:19 PM
Quote from: junior white on June 03, 2021, 04:05:58 PM
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on June 03, 2021, 12:50:32 AM
Quote from: Jamie88 on June 02, 2021, 08:23:55 PM
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on June 02, 2021, 06:35:23 PM
Been open since May 24.
Not open until June 9th
That's the Premier League window. We are now classified as an EFL side.
This article seems to indictate 9th June for the EFL
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/efl-fixture-release-transfer-window-24093908
Got the same answer looking around. Doesn't stop you from agreeing to sign someone mind.
If QPR have 'signed' Austin then either the June date is wrong or has he signed some kind of pre contract agreement, if that can be done?
You can do the deal but the registration of the player isnt completed until the opening of the window as I understand things
This would be my main transfer targets list for this window. Defensively I think we are in good shape currently so would prioritise our midfield/attacking options.
Midfielders:
- Alex Mowatt (free transfer - Barnsley), good attacking player with an eye for goal
- John Lundstram (free transfer - Sheff Utd), proved he can play in the Prem should we get promoted
Forwards:
- Adam Armstrong (Blackburn), prolific last season (only Toney scored more), but may be expensive
- Clarke-Harris (Peterborough), Ivan Toney part two?
- Dembele (Peterborough), skillful winger who we've been linked to previously
- Dike (Orlando), Barnsley could not take their option on him, shame as he was a revelation for them
Le Marchand extended for 1 year
Quote from: JoeS on June 03, 2021, 05:25:31 PM
This would be my main transfer targets list for this window. Defensively I think we are in good shape currently so would prioritise our midfield/attacking options.
Midfielders:
- Alex Mowatt (free transfer - Barnsley), good attacking player with an eye for goal
- John Lundstram (free transfer - Sheff Utd), proved he can play in the Prem should we get promoted
Forwards:
- Adam Armstrong (Blackburn), prolific last season (only Toney scored more), but may be expensive
- Clarke-Harris (Peterborough), Ivan Toney part two?
- Dembele (Peterborough), skillful winger who we've been linked to previously
- Dike (Orlando), Barnsley could not take their option on him, shame as he was a revelation for them
Send this to Tony please
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Been open since May 24.
Not open until June 9th
That's the Premier League window. We are now classified as an EFL side.
This article seems to indictate 9th June for the EFL
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/efl-fixture-release-transfer-window-24093908
Got the same answer looking around. Doesn't stop you from agreeing to sign someone mind.
If QPR have 'signed' Austin then either the June date is wrong or has he signed some kind of pre contract agreement, if that can be done?
Austins contract at Southampton had expired and was therefore a free agent and could sign for anyone at any time.
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/06/manchester-city-line-up-move-for-robinson/
Manchester City line up move for Robinson
Manchester City are preparing a shock move for Fulham full back Antonee Robinson, according to the Sun.
Pep Guardiola is planning to overhaul his squad after City's Champions' League final disappointment and aims to sign younger players for the future. The 23 year-old's athleticism and attacking instincts appeal to Guardiola and the English champions believe that a £10m bid would be enough to persuade Fulham to part with a player they only signed last summer from Wigan.
Robinson made 35 appearances in his debut season for Fulham, quickly displacing the club's Wembley hero Joe Bryan at left back, and impressed despite the blow of relegation. The former Everton trainee has won eleven caps for the United States and helped the Americans qualify for the CONCACAF Nations League final in his first start for his country earlier this week.
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Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on June 02, 2021, 06:35:23 PM
Been open since May 24.
Not open until June 9th
That's the Premier League window. We are now classified as an EFL side.
This article seems to indictate 9th June for the EFL
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/efl-fixture-release-transfer-window-24093908
Got the same answer looking around. Doesn't stop you from agreeing to sign someone mind.
Nope agree, i just wanted to clarify the timings.
In fact when we signed Bullard we announced it 2 games before the end of the season if memory serves as I believe we met his clause and then Wigan didnt play him due to that
We also signed Hector about 3 months before the window opened
You can sign players anytime, bring them over and have thrn training and playing friendlies, they just can't play in a competitive match under the window opens
Quote from: Barrett487 on June 06, 2021, 12:16:40 AM
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/06/manchester-city-line-up-move-for-robinson/
Manchester City line up move for Robinson
Manchester City are preparing a shock move for Fulham full back Antonee Robinson, according to the Sun.
Pep Guardiola is planning to overhaul his squad after City's Champions' League final disappointment and aims to sign younger players for the future. The 23 year-old's athleticism and attacking instincts appeal to Guardiola and the English champions believe that a £10m bid would be enough to persuade Fulham to part with a player they only signed last summer from Wigan.
Robinson made 35 appearances in his debut season for Fulham, quickly displacing the club's Wembley hero Joe Bryan at left back, and impressed despite the blow of relegation. The former Everton trainee has won eleven caps for the United States and helped the Americans qualify for the CONCACAF Nations League final in his first start for his country earlier this week.
Well we should up the price, I doubt if he has a buy out clause so the starting bid is £20 mill. Don't want any of their old cast offs who have not been good enough to get a game against non league sides in the cups.
Quote from: Barrett487 on June 06, 2021, 12:16:40 AM
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/06/manchester-city-line-up-move-for-robinson/
Manchester City line up move for Robinson
Manchester City are preparing a shock move for Fulham full back Antonee Robinson, according to the Sun.
Pep Guardiola is planning to overhaul his squad after City's Champions' League final disappointment and aims to sign younger players for the future. The 23 year-old's athleticism and attacking instincts appeal to Guardiola and the English champions believe that a £10m bid would be enough to persuade Fulham to part with a player they only signed last summer from Wigan.
Robinson made 35 appearances in his debut season for Fulham, quickly displacing the club's Wembley hero Joe Bryan at left back, and impressed despite the blow of relegation. The former Everton trainee has won eleven caps for the United States and helped the Americans qualify for the CONCACAF Nations League final in his first start for his country earlier this week.
Robinson in that Man City side? Best joke I've heard all week!
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Quote from: Barrett487 on June 06, 2021, 12:16:40 AM
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/06/manchester-city-line-up-move-for-robinson/
Manchester City line up move for Robinson
Manchester City are preparing a shock move for Fulham full back Antonee Robinson, according to the Sun.
Pep Guardiola is planning to overhaul his squad after City's Champions' League final disappointment and aims to sign younger players for the future. The 23 year-old's athleticism and attacking instincts appeal to Guardiola and the English champions believe that a £10m bid would be enough to persuade Fulham to part with a player they only signed last summer from Wigan.
Robinson made 35 appearances in his debut season for Fulham, quickly displacing the club's Wembley hero Joe Bryan at left back, and impressed despite the blow of relegation. The former Everton trainee has won eleven caps for the United States and helped the Americans qualify for the CONCACAF Nations League final in his first start for his country earlier this week.
Robinson in that Man City side? Best joke I've heard all week!
like he would play 😂 he would be loaned out here there and everywhere but wouldnt ever play for city. Look at sess and what he was sold for, loaned out and so far forgotten, and elliot, loaned out to championship but again wont really get into first team.
https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-allan-campbell-5500215
Stoke City will face competition from a good chunk of the Championship if they follow up reported interest in Allan Campbell.
Campbell is one of the most wanted out-of-contract players from Scotland this summer as he gets set to leave Motherwell for the next stage of his career.
He has been linked with Stoke and Stoke's former managers Gary Rowett, now at Millwall, and Nathan Jones, at Luton Town.
Football Insider claims that he is also a wanted man at newly-promoted Peterborough United and freshly-relegated Fulham.
Out of contract players under the age of 24 can move between England and Scotland with the buying club only made to pay a compensation fee for 'training and development'. That is why Celtic and Rangers were front of queue when Tyrese Campbell was coming towards the end of his contract at Stoke in 2020.
It is clear how highly that Motherwell manager Graham Alexander rates Campbell.
He told the Daily Record last month: "I had one last shot at it a couple of weeks ago and we did offer him a very good contract for us, because I didn't want to get to the summer, he goes elsewhere and we hadn't tried everything we can to keep him.
"As I keep saying, he's a brilliant player, a brilliant professional, and any manager would be desperately keen to keep him on board.
"I know the reasons why, and I can understand the reasons why, as an ex-player myself. We had a great chat the other week, he was honest as he always is, and I could see his perspective, so he will be leaving in the summer and I hope he gets the best club he can.
"Everyone at Motherwell, not just myself, would wish the best for Allan, because he has been absolutely fantastic for this club.
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Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on June 02, 2021, 06:35:23 PM
Been open since May 24.
Not open until June 9th
That's the Premier League window. We are now classified as an EFL side.
This article seems to indictate 9th June for the EFL
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/efl-fixture-release-transfer-window-24093908
Got the same answer looking around. Doesn't stop you from agreeing to sign someone mind.
Nope agree, i just wanted to clarify the timings.
In fact when we signed Bullard we announced it 2 games before the end of the season if memory serves as I believe we met his clause and then Wigan didnt play him due to that
We also signed Hector about 3 months before the window opened
You can sign players anytime, bring them over and have thrn training and playing friendlies, they just can't play in a competitive match under the window opens
We can sign players anytime, but only if we have FFC budget available to amortize player transfer fees. I am fairly certain, we have enough budget this season to start amortizing now, but doubt we could of in a few of our previous seasons. Even so I would imagine most accountants would warn against FFC signing before the 1st July.
The big risk with buying a player now (especially those playing internationals) is if he gets a career-ending injury before 30th June, because that would cause us to impair his value, break FFP and the Championship might enforce a rule that will force us to sell players to achieve FFP (or get a points deduction).
We don't have to spend a lot to improve the squad, we could easily do something like this:
- Michal Helik £3-5m
- Jeff Hendrick £2m
- Billy Gilmour Loan
- Harry Wilson Loan with view to a permanent deal
- Famara Diédhiou Free Transfer
I think some of those players would improve on what we currently have and others would be good squad additions. If we can't afford to at least do something like the above then we would need to keep our current squad intact in order to bounce straight back up to the PL- (only exception is probably Zambo who I expect to leave for a nice fee).
Quote from: LC on June 08, 2021, 01:35:30 AM
We don't have to spend a lot to improve the squad, we could easily do something like this:
- Michal Helik £3-5m
- Jeff Hendrick £2m
- Billy Gilmour Loan
- Harry Wilson Loan with view to a permanent deal
- Famara Diédhiou Free Transfer
I think some of those players would improve on what we currently have and others would be good squad additions. If we can't afford to at least do something like the above then we would need to keep our current squad intact in order to bounce straight back up to the PL- (only exception is probably Zambo who I expect to leave for a nice fee).
Would certainly like to see a centre half who threatens from set pieces and Helik seems to fit that bill
What is the obsession with Diédhiou even on a free, he's slower than Mitro ffs
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Quote from: LC on June 08, 2021, 01:35:30 AM
We don't have to spend a lot to improve the squad, we could easily do something like this:
- Michal Helik £3-5m
- Jeff Hendrick £2m
- Billy Gilmour Loan
- Harry Wilson Loan with view to a permanent deal
- Famara Diédhiou Free Transfer
I think some of those players would improve on what we currently have and others would be good squad additions. If we can't afford to at least do something like the above then we would need to keep our current squad intact in order to bounce straight back up to the PL- (only exception is probably Zambo who I expect to leave for a nice fee).
Would certainly like to see a centre half who threatens from set pieces and Helik seems to fit that bill
He only managed a pass success rate of c.50% last season, so I'm not sure he'd be a great fit here...
According to Sky Sports the transfer window officially opens today, let the signings commence lol
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https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-allan-campbell-5500215
Football Insider claims that he is also a wanted man at newly-promoted Peterborough United and freshly-relegated Fulham. It is clear how highly that Motherwell manager Graham Alexander rates Campbell. "As I keep saying, he's a brilliant player, a brilliant professional, and any manager would be desperately keen to keep him on board."
"Everyone at Motherwell, not just myself, would wish the best for Allan, because he has been absolutely fantastic for this club.
Allan Campbell sounds like an excellent replacement for Kevin McDonald in the squad and good competition for Harrison Reed in the #6 holding midfielder role (although Reed is currently much better), allowing our other squad midfielders (Anguissa, Onamah, Cairney, Seri and Stefjo) to concentrate on #8 and #10 midfield roles which they are better suited.
Junior White will you tell TK or shall we wait until August 31st?
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Junior White will you tell TK or shall we wait until August 31st?
I have a Zoom booked with him for 11am UKT this morning so will bring it up.
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https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-allan-campbell-5500215
Football Insider claims that he is also a wanted man at newly-promoted Peterborough United and freshly-relegated Fulham. It is clear how highly that Motherwell manager Graham Alexander rates Campbell. "As I keep saying, he's a brilliant player, a brilliant professional, and any manager would be desperately keen to keep him on board."
"Everyone at Motherwell, not just myself, would wish the best for Allan, because he has been absolutely fantastic for this club.
Allan Campbell sounds like an excellent replacement for Kevin McDonald in the squad and good competition for Harrison Reed in the #6 holding midfielder role (although Reed is currently much better), allowing our other squad midfielders (Anguissa, Onamah, Cairney, Seri and Stefjo) to concentrate on #8 and #10 midfield roles which they are better suited.
I don't believe Anguissa, Seri or Stefjo will be with us next season and I would be surprised if Cairney doesn't go to Sheffield United along with Mitro.
When does the window open? 9th July
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When does the window open? 9th July
I posted earlier that according to sky it officially opens today
Junior White, you'll talk to anyone, have you no shame!!!
Quote from: ianthailand on June 09, 2021, 10:56:55 AM
Junior White, you'll talk to anyone, have you no shame!!!
When you need answers you gotta talk lol
Junior White - don't forget to wear tights - that will get his attention
Bang on JW but the thought of you in tights has made my dinner make an upward journey.
Quote from: HV71 on June 09, 2021, 12:14:12 PM
Junior White - don't forget to wear tights - that will get his attention
LOL, call went well didnt need the tights lol
And you're the new DoF congratulations a definite improvement.
Quote from: ianthailand on June 09, 2021, 03:19:17 PM
And you're the new DoF congratulations a definite improvement.
Not yet but I am working on it
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When does the window open? 9th July
I posted earlier that according to sky it officially opens today
Thanks, I thought so. This is such an anti-climax. So we'll sign 25 players on the last day,
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Quote from: rebel on June 09, 2021, 10:10:27 AM
When does the window open? 9th July
I posted earlier that according to sky it officially opens today
Thanks, I thought so. This is such an anti-climax. So we'll sign 25 players on the last day,
As always
MAN CITY FACE COMPETITION FOR FULHAM STAR AS EUROPEAN GIANTS JOIN TRANSFER CHASE
Italian giants AC Milan are prepared to come back in for Fulham defender Antonee Robinson this summer and try and secure a deal for their long-term target, according to Calciomercato.
AC Milan first tried to secure a move for Robinson in January 2020 with them having agreed an initial £6 million deal to take him from Wigan Athletic. However, that deal, which could have increased to £10 million in add-ons, ultimately fell through due to medical issues with the USA international.
Robinson has since gone on to move to Fulham and enjoyed a promising campaign with them in the Premier League last term making 28 appearances, although the left-back could not prevent them from being relegated back to the Championship.
It has already been reported by The Sun that Manchester City have Robinson on their transfer radar this summer as they aim to bolster their options at left-back. It is thought that Fulham are going to value the defender at around £10 million this summer according to that report.
Harrison Reed is wanted by Leeds according to Thursdays Daily Mail,
This would be a disaster if this happens, with Tosin and Robinson both being pursued by others and the loss of all our loan players its going to take a miracle for us to have any where near a settled side come the start of August.
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Harrison Reed is wanted by Leeds according to Thursdays Daily Mail,
This would be a disaster if this happens, with Tosin and Robinson both being pursued by others and the loss of all our loan players its going to take a miracle for us to have any where near a settled side come the start of August.
Must keep him and Tosin. Absolutely vital.
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Quote from: Riversider on June 09, 2021, 11:39:32 PM
Harrison Reed is wanted by Leeds according to Thursdays Daily Mail,
This would be a disaster if this happens, with Tosin and Robinson both being pursued by others and the loss of all our loan players its going to take a miracle for us to have any where near a settled side come the start of August.
Must keep him and Tosin. Absolutely vital.
It really depends - if we get all the money for all the players, and rebuild better with an improved coach...
We need to hang on to as many of the key and core players we can, otherwise we could be handicapped from the start and chasing everyone's slip stream once again.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 10, 2021, 12:21:58 AM
We need to hang on to as many of the key and core players we can, otherwise we could be handicapped from the start and chasing everyone's slipstream once again.
I hope we keep all our players. I'd like to see a strong third XI with Fabri (GK), S.Sess (RB), MLM (RCB, LCB, LB), Seri (DM, CM, AM), Knockaert (RW, LW), and Stansfield (CF) in it, they are exactly the kind of players I like to see in the third XI as we will need depth in a marathon season, even if some of the depth is far from perfect.
We also need 22 players better than those players, to fill our first XI and second XI. My calculations is we are short a 2nd XI GK and 2nd XI CF. Although it might also be said that most of our best wingers (Cav, Reid, Kebano, Kamara, and Carvalho) are between first XI and second XI standards, still one top winger like Ryan Sessegnon would be nice.
My concern is Fabri has signed a new contract (which is great), but Betts is still deciding whether to sign a new contract (which is a shame if we lose him). I believe Fabri is the best 3rd choice goalkeeper in the championship, but we probably want to have at least two keepers that have played more than one game in the last two and half seasons, so we do need another second-choice keeper with recent game time.
As for selling players, selling players to buy players is really hard under FFP, and better avoided if possible unless absolutely necessary. I really suspect once we try to sell players, we will end up selling the wrong ones, especially given FFP favours selling players like Cairney and keeping players like Seri, which is great for the balance sheet but might not the football field and versa-versa (i.e. selling Seri can really hurt the balance sheet causing us to reduce squad size).
"Anguissa at a good price" is the only player that will improve the balance sheet, where a cheaper replacement might not affect the team too much in the championship, but if we can go up with Anguissa in the team, I think a Tosin-Reed-Anguissa partnership will be very valuable building block, whereas someone that can get us promoted but not good enough for premier league is not a great building block.
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Quote from: Riversider on June 09, 2021, 11:39:32 PM
Harrison Reed is wanted by Leeds according to Thursdays Daily Mail,
This would be a disaster if this happens, with Tosin and Robinson both being pursued by others and the loss of all our loan players its going to take a miracle for us to have any where near a settled side come the start of August.
Must keep him and Tosin. Absolutely vital.
It really depends - if we get all the money for all the players, and rebuild better with an improved coach...
Total nonsense, how much do you think it would cost to replace both Tosin and Reed on a like for like basis ?
We've thrown the towel in already if they both leave.
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Quote from: Riversider on June 09, 2021, 11:39:32 PM
Harrison Reed is wanted by Leeds according to Thursdays Daily Mail,
This would be a disaster if this happens, with Tosin and Robinson both being pursued by others and the loss of all our loan players its going to take a miracle for us to have any where near a settled side come the start of August.
Must keep him and Tosin. Absolutely vital.
It really depends - if we get all the money for all the players, and rebuild better with an improved coach...
Total nonsense, how much do you think it would cost to replace both Tosin and Reed on a like for like basis ?
We've thrown the towel in already if they both leave.
Agree. If these two are allowed to leave it will massively hinder any attempts to go straight back up. I appreciate we may need to sell one player this summer to finance new signings but any moves for Reed and Tosin must be blocked. It would go against what the Chairman said in his statement yesterday about our aim to achieve promotion straight back to the Premier League.
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Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on June 09, 2021, 11:55:18 PM
Quote from: Riversider on June 09, 2021, 11:39:32 PM
Harrison Reed is wanted by Leeds according to Thursdays Daily Mail,
This would be a disaster if this happens, with Tosin and Robinson both being pursued by others and the loss of all our loan players its going to take a miracle for us to have any where near a settled side come the start of August.
Must keep him and Tosin. Absolutely vital.
It really depends - if we get all the money for all the players, and rebuild better with an improved coach...
Total nonsense, how much do you think it would cost to replace both Tosin and Reed on a like for like basis ?
We've thrown the towel in already if they both leave.
Agree. If these two are allowed to leave it will massively hinder any attempts to go straight back up. I appreciate we may need to sell one player this summer to finance new signings but any moves for Reed and Tosin must be blocked. It would go against what the Chairman said in his statement yesterday about our aim to achieve promotion straight back to the Premier League.
If we have a choice we should keep them for sure. There are rumours that Toisin has a release clause of 10 million mean that may not be in our hands.
However even if we have a choice do we keep a player who asks to leave and then may not be as committed to the cause or who is unhappy? If rumours are to be believed we saw that last season with Mitro who is rumoured (nothing concrete anywhere I have seen) to have asked to leave at the end of the promotion season and again at least one during the last season.
It is a fine line I think at times, you cannot keep giving new improved contracts, you have to think what is best for the team and if that is selling so the team isnt affected on the pitch then so be it. Hopefully we don't but it could be the case if they asked to move.
Over the next couple of months I suspect Mitro, Anguissa, Reed and Tosin will have attractive offers from premier league clubs. We need these players if we are to build a team capable of promotion. TK has to make it his priority to ensure they stay with us.
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Over the next couple of months I suspect Mitro, Anguissa, Reed and Tosin will have attractive offers from premier league clubs. We need these players if we are to build a team capable of promotion. TK has to make it his priority to ensure they stay with us.
Most realistically we can and should hold on to Reed and Tosin.
Less secure is the future of Anguissa who I imagine will be off,
Mitro likewise, if Parker stays I think he'll be gone but a decent new manager looking to build around him might see him stay.
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Quote from: filham on June 10, 2021, 09:46:57 AM
Over the next couple of months I suspect Mitro, Anguissa, Reed and Tosin will have attractive offers from premier league clubs. We need these players if we are to build a team capable of promotion. TK has to make it his priority to ensure they stay with us.
Most realistically we can and should hold on to Reed and Tosin.
Less secure is the future of Anguissa who I imagine will be off,
Mitro likewise, if Parker stays I think he'll be gone but a decent new manager looking to build around him might see him stay.
Imagine Roy comes back and uses Mitro in the Zamora role :Haynes The Maestro: :Haynes The Maestro:
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Quote from: filham on June 10, 2021, 09:46:57 AM
Over the next couple of months I suspect Mitro, Anguissa, Reed and Tosin will have attractive offers from premier league clubs. We need these players if we are to build a team capable of promotion. TK has to make it his priority to ensure they stay with us.
Most realistically we can and should hold on to Reed and Tosin.
Less secure is the future of Anguissa who I imagine will be off,
Mitro likewise, if Parker stays I think he'll be gone but a decent new manager looking to build around him might see him stay.
Imagine Roy comes back and uses Mitro in the Zamora role :Haynes The Maestro: :Haynes The Maestro:
Zamora a lot quicker & more mobile than Mitrovic
Im resigned to Mitro leaving. Real shame but the only reason he would stay is because his agent couldn't get him a good deal elsewhere. Been supportive of Scotty but he really sh!t the bed in this situation
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Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on June 09, 2021, 11:55:18 PM
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Harrison Reed is wanted by Leeds according to Thursdays Daily Mail,
This would be a disaster if this happens, with Tosin and Robinson both being pursued by others and the loss of all our loan players its going to take a miracle for us to have any where near a settled side come the start of August.
Must keep him and Tosin. Absolutely vital.
It really depends - if we get all the money for all the players, and rebuild better with an improved coach...
Total nonsense, how much do you think it would cost to replace both Tosin and Reed on a like for like basis ?
We've thrown the towel in already if they both leave.
We shouldn't sell any player, unless a) they are offered more than they are worth or b) they have been good to the club deserve to leave to be at a more appropriate team (only Betts, KMac and Stefjo fit in this category).
Tosin, Reed, Seri, Anguissa, and Mitrovic fall into neither category, because I don't see an overpriced bid coming in for any of them (e.g. Seri won't get a £3m bid and Tosin won't get a £20m bid) and they don't deserve any favours they can do a job here.
Most players would prefer to be at another club, I'm sure Reed would prefer to be at Brentford, Norwich and Watford but he will fight for us in the championship and we shouldn't start offloading other players just cause they don't show the same attitude. Besides, if we offload everyone that doesn't try to a better club, soon Reed will stop trying.
Obviously Reed, like all players, is ambitious, and would like to play for a Prem team, but if he stays at Fulham, for whatever reason, I'm sure he will want to play a big part in getting us back into the Prem.
I'm sure Parker, or whoever is manager, and the club, will want to do their best to keep Reed at Fulham.
Likewise Tosin.
I expect every player who dons the White shirt to give their all, anyway.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 10, 2021, 12:21:58 AM
We need to hang on to as many of the key and core players we can, otherwise we could be handicapped from the start and chasing everyone's slip stream once again.
Agree.
WE don't want it to be like when we went down under Magath, who thought we could just get rid of most of the senior pro's, and fill the team with Youth players, with disastrous effects for both the team, and some of these players.
It was Parker who did a good job leading these players on the field though, even paying unfair fines from Magath on a couple of young players, otherwise things might have been even worse.
If Parker remains manager then Harrison Reed will stay at Fulham
I really don't think Reed will want to move. He had been loaned all over the place by Southampton and has hopefully now found his home, he has said this on film. He will not walk into a Premier team and will be back to being a squad player and could end up as he was at Southampton again and he will know this, he is quite a smart guy and I would think a potential future Fulham captain.
I think he will stay
Tosin has a £10m escape clause in his contract, at that price he is as good as gone, |no point in keeping Mitro if Parker is not going to use him, Anguissa made it clear a year ago that he will not play down to Championship level . Just hope we manage to hang on to Reed, our team will have to be built around him.
Quote from: filham on June 11, 2021, 10:34:53 AM
Tosin has a £10m escape clause in his contract, at that price he is as good as gone, |no point in keeping Mitro if Parker is not going to use him, Anguissa made it clear a year ago that he will not play down to Championship level . Just hope we manage to hang on to Reed, our team will have to be built around him.
A bit arrogant that some players think they're too good for championship, but were a cog in a relegated pl side and didn't really help the cause much
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Quote from: filham on June 11, 2021, 10:34:53 AM
Tosin has a £10m escape clause in his contract, at that price he is as good as gone, |no point in keeping Mitro if Parker is not going to use him, Anguissa made it clear a year ago that he will not play down to Championship level . Just hope we manage to hang on to Reed, our team will have to be built around him.
A bit arrogant that some players think they're too good for championship, but were a cog in a relegated pl side and didn't really help the cause much
Arrogant due to the clause?
If so, some times players will only sign if there is a release clause, my mind springs back to Dembele mark 1
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Quote from: filham on June 11, 2021, 10:34:53 AM
Tosin has a £10m escape clause in his contract, at that price he is as good as gone, |no point in keeping Mitro if Parker is not going to use him, Anguissa made it clear a year ago that he will not play down to Championship level . Just hope we manage to hang on to Reed, our team will have to be built around him.
A bit arrogant that some players think they're too good for championship, but were a cog in a relegated pl side and didn't really help the cause much
Arrogant due to the clause?
If so, some times players will only sign if there is a release clause, my mind springs back to Dembele mark 1
Dembele Mark 1 actually shortly before being sold signed a new contract with a release clause figure inserted so that Fulham would receive a fair price from Spurs. If he hadn't signed that new contract Fulham would have received far less from Spurs. Good bloke.
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Quote from: filham on June 11, 2021, 10:34:53 AM
Tosin has a £10m escape clause in his contract, at that price he is as good as gone, |no point in keeping Mitro if Parker is not going to use him, Anguissa made it clear a year ago that he will not play down to Championship level . Just hope we manage to hang on to Reed, our team will have to be built around him.
A bit arrogant that some players think they're too good for championship, but were a cog in a relegated pl side and didn't really help the cause much
Arrogant due to the clause?
If so, some times players will only sign if there is a release clause, my mind springs back to Dembele mark 1
Dembele Mark 1 actually shortly before being sold signed a new contract with a release clause figure inserted so that Fulham would receive a fair price from Spurs. If he hadn't signed that new contract Fulham would have received far less from Spurs. Good bloke.
He is yes, i heard it slightly differently though. I was told when he signed for us he only did so as we had a release clause and the other team wouldnt put that in, and then when he signed his new deal he insisted it was carried over but at an increased price.
He was a good servant to us. ANyway my point is that it isnt nescersarily arrogance to have a release clause, and for us to include it if it meant we signed someone then thats fair as long as we make out of it
Quote from: junior white on June 11, 2021, 11:10:36 AM
Quote from: Blawarmy on June 11, 2021, 11:01:04 AM
Quote from: filham on June 11, 2021, 10:34:53 AM
Tosin has a £10m escape clause in his contract, at that price he is as good as gone, |no point in keeping Mitro if Parker is not going to use him, Anguissa made it clear a year ago that he will not play down to Championship level . Just hope we manage to hang on to Reed, our team will have to be built around him.
A bit arrogant that some players think they're too good for championship, but were a cog in a relegated pl side and didn't really help the cause much
Arrogant due to the clause?
If so, some times players will only sign if there is a release clause, my mind springs back to Dembele mark 1
No, arrogant that they think they're above the championship as I said!
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Quote from: junior white on June 11, 2021, 11:10:36 AM
Quote from: Blawarmy on June 11, 2021, 11:01:04 AM
Quote from: filham on June 11, 2021, 10:34:53 AM
Tosin has a £10m escape clause in his contract, at that price he is as good as gone, |no point in keeping Mitro if Parker is not going to use him, Anguissa made it clear a year ago that he will not play down to Championship level . Just hope we manage to hang on to Reed, our team will have to be built around him.
A bit arrogant that some players think they're too good for championship, but were a cog in a relegated pl side and didn't really help the cause much
Arrogant due to the clause?
If so, some times players will only sign if there is a release clause, my mind springs back to Dembele mark 1
No, arrogant that they think they're above the championship as I said!
I disagree. He certainly helped the cause and had a good season overall. He showed he is capable of playing at PL level. He's had one season with us and although I don't want him to go, how much loyalty can we expect from a player who spent his entire career at Man C before this season? What if Man C came in for him? Would that be arrogant/disloyal?
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Quote from: junior white on June 11, 2021, 11:10:36 AM
Quote from: Blawarmy on June 11, 2021, 11:01:04 AM
Quote from: filham on June 11, 2021, 10:34:53 AM
Tosin has a £10m escape clause in his contract, at that price he is as good as gone, |no point in keeping Mitro if Parker is not going to use him, Anguissa made it clear a year ago that he will not play down to Championship level . Just hope we manage to hang on to Reed, our team will have to be built around him.
A bit arrogant that some players think they're too good for championship, but were a cog in a relegated pl side and didn't really help the cause much
Arrogant due to the clause?
If so, some times players will only sign if there is a release clause, my mind springs back to Dembele mark 1
No, arrogant that they think they're above the championship as I said!
We already knew that about Anguissa so cant see why we are ticked off about it now.
I thought you meant Tosin and the clause my apologies, but in relation to him the clause doesnt make him arrogant in my opinion, and I have not heard him say he wont play in the championship
Quote from: bencher on June 11, 2021, 12:34:04 PM
He showed he is capable of playing at PL level.
Have to disagree. Think Tosin is hugely overrated on here. Looked good for the brief spell when we were defensively solid but that was (a) brief and (b) playing in a triangle with close to the best CB and GK we've ever had (Anderson and Areaola). Think he looked out of his depth and error-prone at times n the second half of the season and think it would have been totally different had he been playing, for example, with Hector/Ream/Bettinelli who our other CBs have had to play with historically. Before joining us he had a season with Blackburn in the Championship where he was statistically almost identical to Hector and IMO that's about his level, ie, a very good Championship CB who may or may not be able to step up to a bottom half PL side.
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Quote from: Blawarmy on June 11, 2021, 12:26:31 PM
Quote from: junior white on June 11, 2021, 11:10:36 AM
Quote from: Blawarmy on June 11, 2021, 11:01:04 AM
Quote from: filham on June 11, 2021, 10:34:53 AM
Tosin has a £10m escape clause in his contract, at that price he is as good as gone, |no point in keeping Mitro if Parker is not going to use him, Anguissa made it clear a year ago that he will not play down to Championship level . Just hope we manage to hang on to Reed, our team will have to be built around him.
A bit arrogant that some players think they're too good for championship, but were a cog in a relegated pl side and didn't really help the cause much
Arrogant due to the clause?
If so, some times players will only sign if there is a release clause, my mind springs back to Dembele mark 1
No, arrogant that they think they're above the championship as I said!
We already knew that about Anguissa so cant see why we are ticked off about it now.
I thought you meant Tosin and the clause my apologies, but in relation to him the clause doesnt make him arrogant in my opinion, and I have not heard him say he wont play in the championship
Nah Tosin hopefully will stay. [emoji1695][emoji1695]
https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/sport/19366376.oxford-city-sign-right-back-zico-asare-fulham/
OXFORD City FC have confirmed the signing of former England youth international Zico Asare.
The 20-year-old right back joins the club after 12 years with Fulham.
He has made appearances for the England under-16s, playing alongside the likes of Arsenal's Bukayo Saka and Liverpool's Curtis Jones.
Named after Brazilian football legend Zico, the youngster has been training with City, impressing coaching staff while at the club.
He said: "It feels good to be here. Now it's time to start the hard work.
"I'm looking forward to having my first taste of senior football now, it's much more different than academy football, it means more.
"I'm just looking forward to starting the season now."
Hahaha, don't you just love sloppy journalism?
Tottenham-linked Defender Joachim Andersen says that he wants to move back to the Premier League last season after enjoying his spell with Fulham.
The Frenchman moved to Craven Cottage from Lille in October to fill a crucial defensive hole for manager Scott Parker. Despite a shaky start, he asserted himself excellently through the course of the season. In fact, Fulham were not far off staying up, with 13 draws proving crucial in their failing to avoid the drop.
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https://www.teamtalk.com/news/tottenham-joachim-andersen-shock-transfer-hint
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/06/fulham-turn-down-16m-bid-for-mitrovic/
Fulham turn down £16m bid for Mitrovic
Fulham have turned down a £16m offer from Dynamo Moscow for Aleksandar Mitrovic, according to the Sun.
The Cottagers are adamant that the Serbian striker is not for sale even after Scott Parker's side were relegated from the top flight. The Fulham hierarchy want to keep Mitrovic, who proved so prolific in the Championship in 2019/20 scoring 26 goals, to spearhead their attempt to make an immediate return to the top flight.
But the tabloid claims that Mitrovic is keen to leave Craven Cottage after making just thirteen starts as the Whites went down – with Ivan Cavaleiro often preferred by Parker as a lone striker. There are no shortage of suitors for the 26 year-old who is known to be admired by new Roma boss Jose Mourinho and the West Ham manager David Moyes.
Mitrovic, who has scored 53 goals in 151 appearances for Fulham since joining from Newcastle in January 2018, still has three years to run on his current contract in west Londo
I suspect there will now be little movement in the transfer market now until after the Euros have finished. Clubs will be hopeful of spotting some outstanding talent they have previously overlooked.
Quote from: Statto on June 11, 2021, 01:02:28 PM
Quote from: bencher on June 11, 2021, 12:34:04 PM
He showed he is capable of playing at PL level.
Have to disagree. Think Tosin is hugely overrated on here. Looked good for the brief spell when we were defensively solid but that was (a) brief and (b) playing in a triangle with close to the best CB and GK we've ever had (Anderson and Areaola). Think he looked out of his depth and error-prone at times n the second half of the season and think it would have been totally different had he been playing, for example, with Hector/Ream/Bettinelli who our other CBs have had to play with historically. Before joining us he had a season with Blackburn in the Championship where he was statistically almost identical to Hector and IMO that's about his level, ie, a very good Championship CB who may or may not be able to step up to a bottom half PL side.
Very good analysis. I trust statistics a lot and the statistics say that Tosin is a "top centre-back when alongside Anderson", but before that time he was a "decent centre-back comparable to Hector", only much younger so better for the long-term. The statistics could a) indicate Anderson is the difference, b) indicate Tosin is improving or c) the statistic could be misleading. I suspect a little truth with all three, but the most important of the three was Anderson improving Tosins statistics.
I will be saddened to lose Tosin for £10m, because I like him as a player, but we will make a healthy FFP profit on him around £9m and it has to happen before 6th July so TK has 7 weeks to use the money if he needs some before the window closes. Lets see if Tosin is still here on the 7th July, but his lose will be felt more if we get promoted again.
Rational: Don't forget Man City get 20% of any fee so our profit is more around the 6.5 ML.
Quote from: Barrett487 on June 11, 2021, 09:04:05 PM
Hahaha, don't you just love sloppy journalism?
Tottenham-linked Defender Joachim Andersen says that he wants to move back to the Premier League last season after enjoying his spell with Fulham.
The Frenchman moved to Craven Cottage from Lille in October to fill a crucial defensive hole for manager Scott Parker. Despite a shaky start, he asserted himself excellently through the course of the season. In fact, Fulham were not far off staying up, with 13 draws proving crucial in their failing to avoid the drop.
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https://www.teamtalk.com/news/tottenham-joachim-andersen-shock-transfer-hint
Also 'from Lille' - he came from Lyon!
Quote from: The Rational Fan on June 11, 2021, 11:26:43 PM
Quote from: Statto on June 11, 2021, 01:02:28 PM
Quote from: bencher on June 11, 2021, 12:34:04 PM
He showed he is capable of playing at PL level.
Have to disagree. Think Tosin is hugely overrated on here. Looked good for the brief spell when we were defensively solid but that was (a) brief and (b) playing in a triangle with close to the best CB and GK we've ever had (Anderson and Areaola). Think he looked out of his depth and error-prone at times n the second half of the season and think it would have been totally different had he been playing, for example, with Hector/Ream/Bettinelli who our other CBs have had to play with historically. Before joining us he had a season with Blackburn in the Championship where he was statistically almost identical to Hector and IMO that's about his level, ie, a very good Championship CB who may or may not be able to step up to a bottom half PL side.
Very good analysis. I trust statistics a lot and the statistics say that Tosin is a "top centre-back when alongside Anderson", but before that time he was a "decent centre-back comparable to Hector", only much younger so better for the long-term. The statistics could a) indicate Anderson is the difference, b) indicate Tosin is improving or c) the statistic could be misleading. I suspect a little truth with all three, but the most important of the three was Anderson improving Tosins statistics.
I will be saddened to lose Tosin for £10m, because I like him as a player, but we will make a healthy FFP profit on him around £9m and it has to happen before 6th July so TK has 7 weeks to use the money if he needs some before the window closes. Lets see if Tosin is still here on the 7th July, but his lose will be felt more if we get promoted again.
The issue is we need to find a good player, worth 9 mill, who wants to join us in the Championship
Quote from: The Rational Fan on June 11, 2021, 11:26:43 PM
Quote from: Statto on June 11, 2021, 01:02:28 PM
Quote from: bencher on June 11, 2021, 12:34:04 PM
He showed he is capable of playing at PL level.
Have to disagree. Think Tosin is hugely overrated on here. Looked good for the brief spell when we were defensively solid but that was (a) brief and (b) playing in a triangle with close to the best CB and GK we've ever had (Anderson and Areaola). Think he looked out of his depth and error-prone at times n the second half of the season and think it would have been totally different had he been playing, for example, with Hector/Ream/Bettinelli who our other CBs have had to play with historically. Before joining us he had a season with Blackburn in the Championship where he was statistically almost identical to Hector and IMO that's about his level, ie, a very good Championship CB who may or may not be able to step up to a bottom half PL side.
Very good analysis. I trust statistics a lot and the statistics say that Tosin is a "top centre-back when alongside Anderson", but before that time he was a "decent centre-back comparable to Hector", only much younger so better for the long-term. The statistics could a) indicate Anderson is the difference, b) indicate Tosin is improving or c) the statistic could be misleading. I suspect a little truth with all three, but the most important of the three was Anderson improving Tosins statistics.
I will be saddened to lose Tosin for £10m, because I like him as a player, but we will make a healthy FFP profit on him around £9m and it has to happen before 6th July so TK has 7 weeks to use the money if he needs some before the window closes. Lets see if Tosin is still here on the 7th July, but his lose will be felt more if we get promoted again.
There are three kinds of lies,
There are lies, damned lies and statistics.
Statistics are used to suit ones own narrative, and the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
Quote from: Statto on June 11, 2021, 01:02:28 PM
Quote from: bencher on June 11, 2021, 12:34:04 PM
He showed he is capable of playing at PL level.
Have to disagree. Think Tosin is hugely overrated on here. Looked good for the brief spell when we were defensively solid but that was (a) brief and (b) playing in a triangle with close to the best CB and GK we've ever had (Anderson and Areaola). Think he looked out of his depth and error-prone at times n the second half of the season and think it would have been totally different had he been playing, for example, with Hector/Ream/Bettinelli who our other CBs have had to play with historically. Before joining us he had a season with Blackburn in the Championship where he was statistically almost identical to Hector and IMO that's about his level, ie, a very good Championship CB who may or may not be able to step up to a bottom half PL side.
This is how I think about him too. He's good, but he's not the Messiah.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on June 12, 2021, 10:57:15 AM
Quote from: Statto on June 11, 2021, 01:02:28 PM
Quote from: bencher on June 11, 2021, 12:34:04 PM
He showed he is capable of playing at PL level.
Have to disagree. Think Tosin is hugely overrated on here. Looked good for the brief spell when we were defensively solid but that was (a) brief and (b) playing in a triangle with close to the best CB and GK we've ever had (Anderson and Areaola). Think he looked out of his depth and error-prone at times n the second half of the season and think it would have been totally different had he been playing, for example, with Hector/Ream/Bettinelli who our other CBs have had to play with historically. Before joining us he had a season with Blackburn in the Championship where he was statistically almost identical to Hector and IMO that's about his level, ie, a very good Championship CB who may or may not be able to step up to a bottom half PL side.
This is how I think about him too. He's good, but he's not the Messiah.
He's currently the best centre back at the club and won't be that easy to replace. The thought of more Ream and Odoi is an alarming one. Lets hope he stays.
Quote from: Barrett487 on June 11, 2021, 09:01:30 PM
https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/sport/19366376.oxford-city-sign-right-back-zico-asare-fulham/
OXFORD City FC have confirmed the signing of former England youth international Zico Asare.
The 20-year-old right back joins the club after 12 years with Fulham.
He has made appearances for the England under-16s, playing alongside the likes of Arsenal's Bukayo Saka and Liverpool's Curtis Jones.
Named after Brazilian football legend Zico, the youngster has been training with City, impressing coaching staff while at the club.
He said: "It feels good to be here. Now it's time to start the hard work.
"I'm looking forward to having my first taste of senior football now, it's much more different than academy football, it means more.
"I'm just looking forward to starting the season now."
Might share his name but clearly didn't share Zico's talent 😃
Quote from: JoelH5 on June 12, 2021, 09:58:09 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on June 11, 2021, 11:26:43 PM
Quote from: Statto on June 11, 2021, 01:02:28 PM
Quote from: bencher on June 11, 2021, 12:34:04 PM
He showed he is capable of playing at PL level.
Have to disagree. Think Tosin is hugely overrated on here. Looked good for the brief spell when we were defensively solid but that was (a) brief and (b) playing in a triangle with close to the best CB and GK we've ever had (Anderson and Areaola). Think he looked out of his depth and error-prone at times n the second half of the season and think it would have been totally different had he been playing, for example, with Hector/Ream/Bettinelli who our other CBs have had to play with historically. Before joining us he had a season with Blackburn in the Championship where he was statistically almost identical to Hector and IMO that's about his level, ie, a very good Championship CB who may or may not be able to step up to a bottom half PL side.
Very good analysis. I trust statistics a lot and the statistics say that Tosin is a "top centre-back when alongside Anderson", but before that time he was a "decent centre-back comparable to Hector", only much younger so better for the long-term. The statistics could a) indicate Anderson is the difference, b) indicate Tosin is improving or c) the statistic could be misleading. I suspect a little truth with all three, but the most important of the three was Anderson improving Tosins statistics.
I will be saddened to lose Tosin for £10m, because I like him as a player, but we will make a healthy FFP profit on him around £9m and it has to happen before 6th July so TK has 7 weeks to use the money if he needs some before the window closes. Lets see if Tosin is still here on the 7th July, but his lose will be felt more if we get promoted again.
The issue is we need to find a good player, worth 9 mill, who wants to join us in the Championship
Actually, the sale of a player for profit such as Tosin can create a windfall to sign another player(s). The Khan's have a ton of cash, so their transfer movements are not dependent on financing. Only what they feel is a good deal and whether they do or do not wish to spend the money.
If Tosin nets 6-7 million in profit, for FFP purposes the club could purchase players for upwards of 20-25 million without risking a "loss". The key is to not mess it up like they have with other purchases, ie Knock, Mawson, etc.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on June 12, 2021, 10:57:15 AM
Quote from: Statto on June 11, 2021, 01:02:28 PM
Quote from: bencher on June 11, 2021, 12:34:04 PM
He showed he is capable of playing at PL level.
Have to disagree. Think Tosin is hugely overrated on here. Looked good for the brief spell when we were defensively solid but that was (a) brief and (b) playing in a triangle with close to the best CB and GK we've ever had (Anderson and Areaola). Think he looked out of his depth and error-prone at times n the second half of the season and think it would have been totally different had he been playing, for example, with Hector/Ream/Bettinelli who our other CBs have had to play with historically. Before joining us he had a season with Blackburn in the Championship where he was statistically almost identical to Hector and IMO that's about his level, ie, a very good Championship CB who may or may not be able to step up to a bottom half PL side.
This is how I think about him too. He's good, but he's not the Messiah.
He's just a naughty boy
Just think how long we took to find replacements for Hangeland and Hughes, we struggled for a long time before Tosin and Andersen arrived with many failures and some of them cost a few pounds.
We need to keep Tosin if at all possible.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on June 11, 2021, 11:26:43 PM
Very good analysis. I trust statistics a lot and the statistics say that Tosin is a "top centre-back when alongside Anderson", but before that time he was a "decent centre-back comparable to Hector", only much younger so better for the long-term. The statistics could a) indicate Anderson is the difference, b) indicate Tosin is improving or c) the statistic could be misleading. I suspect a little truth with all three, but the most important of the three was Anderson improving Tosins statistics.
I'm not aware of any of the statistics connected to Tosin or Andersen, but in saying 'Andersen is the difference' (in the case of Tosin's improvement), I wonder whether Andersen's statistics also improved. And if they did, does this not indicate that both players benefited from the partnership, not just Tosin? In which case, does this not raise the possibility that a centre-back pairing of Hector and Tosin could, likewise, be beneficial to both players' performance levels?
May I also ask, TRF, why you suspect Tosin's statistics may be misleading?
Tosin is a decent young player who had a decent season.he is not the finished article and had his ups and downs but he was an excellent buy and I hope and believe we will keep him. He has his faults but I beleive he will only get better.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on June 11, 2021, 11:26:43 PM
Quote from: Statto on June 11, 2021, 01:02:28 PM
Quote from: bencher on June 11, 2021, 12:34:04 PM
He showed he is capable of playing at PL level.
Have to disagree. Think Tosin is hugely overrated on here. Looked good for the brief spell when we were defensively solid but that was (a) brief and (b) playing in a triangle with close to the best CB and GK we've ever had (Anderson and Areaola). Think he looked out of his depth and error-prone at times n the second half of the season and think it would have been totally different had he been playing, for example, with Hector/Ream/Bettinelli who our other CBs have had to play with historically. Before joining us he had a season with Blackburn in the Championship where he was statistically almost identical to Hector and IMO that's about his level, ie, a very good Championship CB who may or may not be able to step up to a bottom half PL side.
Very good analysis. I trust statistics a lot and the statistics say that Tosin is a "top centre-back when alongside Anderson", but before that time he was a "decent centre-back comparable to Hector", only much younger so better for the long-term. The statistics could a) indicate Anderson is the difference, b) indicate Tosin is improving or c) the statistic could be misleading. I suspect a little truth with all three, but the most important of the three was Anderson improving Tosins statistics.
I will be saddened to lose Tosin for £10m, because I like him as a player, but we will make a healthy FFP profit on him around £9m and it has to happen before 6th July so TK has 7 weeks to use the money if he needs some before the window closes. Lets see if Tosin is still here on the 7th July, but his lose will be felt more if we get promoted again.
TRF Unlike you and that half wit you fawn over, I don't need statistics when I can see more with my own eyes.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 13, 2021, 08:37:48 AM
TRF Unlike you and that half wit you fawn over, I don't need statistics when I can see more with my own eyes.
Well, you can watch with you eyes and tell me that both Kamara and MLM were poor in the premier league, and statistics can tell me that too. But watching MLM and Kamara for Fulham could you tell that MLM would do well in the Belgium League but Kamara wasn't upto Ligue Un, unfortunately statistics cannot tell that well either.
I also doubt many people (apart from Brain Clough) can watch a player shoot and miss, but still know that the player can finish. Most Fulham fans think Ryan Sessegnon is a good finisher, but that is only because he finished many of his chances at the cottage (which is just another statistic) in truth statistics at his other clubs indicate his finishing is a little hit and miss.
No doubt statistics are partly responsible for us buying players like Fabri, Christie, Tosin, Bryan, Robinson, Onamah, Mitro, Cav and Knockaert. But if we listened more to statistics we wouldnt have bought Seri, who has played some super human games before coming to Fulham scouts may have seen those games but statistics would tell you he was inconsistent, on the decline and poorly suited to cooler days. In the end, scouts probably watched him play a dozen brilliant games and decided to ignore his poor inconsistent statistics. We would wise to pay more for players with good statistics, and offer less for players with poor or inconsistent statistics.
Will Nightingale is somebody id rate as a CB signing.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on June 14, 2021, 04:51:40 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 13, 2021, 08:37:48 AM
TRF Unlike you and that half wit you fawn over, I don't need statistics when I can see more with my own eyes.
Well, you can watch with you eyes and tell me that both Kamara and MLM were poor in the premier league, and statistics can tell me that too. But watching MLM and Kamara for Fulham could you tell that MLM would do well in the Belgium League but Kamara wasn't upto Ligue Un, unfortunately statistics cannot tell that well either.
I also doubt many people (apart from Brain Clough) can watch a player shoot and miss, but still know that the player can finish. Most Fulham fans think Ryan Sessegnon is a good finisher, but that is only because he finished many of his chances at the cottage (which is just another statistic) in truth statistics at his other clubs indicate his finishing is a little hit and miss.
No doubt statistics are partly responsible for us buying players like Fabri, Christie, Tosin, Bryan, Robinson, Onamah, Mitro, Cav and Knockaert. But if we listened more to statistics we wouldnt have bought Seri, who has played some super human games before coming to Fulham scouts may have seen those games but statistics would tell you he was inconsistent, on the decline and poorly suited to cooler days. In the end, scouts probably watched him play a dozen brilliant games and decided to ignore his poor inconsistent statistics. We would wise to pay more for players with good statistics, and offer less for players with poor or inconsistent statistics.
I rest my case and you have just proved my point and what I have insisted regarding the self inflicting scatter gun approach by the owners son and the way he uses it like a man with his eyes shut throwing a dart at a dart board. As for Seri it was an expensive mistake but just one of many embarrassing mistakes and errors of judgement due to his obsession with the dreaded stats he has made as a short cut to this folly. Seri is a classic example of a player looking better in an overseas League which is far from the physical challenge and quality of competition of the English League and it showed like a boy in a mans world very daunting. In England to see a player at his worst and most vulnerable you watch him in away games where the fans are partisan and ready to give an opponent a hard time, therefore testing his resolve and character to see how he responds under pressure. Not watch him at home in his own environment where he is most comfortable. It is not like the game TK plays on his lap top "Football Manager".
But thank you for proving my point for me.
Quote from: vancouver on June 14, 2021, 06:48:02 AM
Will Nightingale is somebody id rate as a CB signing.
I was in his form at school, he's a top lad and a leader but I'm not co conceded he's a top end championship/ premier league CB. He's 26 now so unlikely to improve astronomicallly
He's not quick enough even for Div 1, according to AFC supporters 092.gif
LUTON TOWN CONFIRM SIGNING OF 22-Y/O PREVIOUSLY LINKED WITH FULHAM, MILLWALL
Luton Town have today completed the signing of Allan Campbell from Motherwell, confirms the club.
Campbell joins the Hatters for an undisclosed fee from Scottish side Motherwell on a permanent deal, subject to international clearance.
The 22-year-old becomes Nathan Jones' third signing so far of the summer window having already acquired the likes of Reece Burke from Hull City and Fred Onyedinma from Wycombe Wanderers.
Jones is looking to build a team capable of pushing on and improving on their mid-table position but safety will be the first concern on his mind.
Campbell joins from Motherwell where he has spent his whole career so far after joining their academy at the age of 10.
He turned out 159 times for the Scottish club, scoring 16 goals in that period but now goes to a new challenge a Kenilworth Road to compete in one of the most competitive leagues around.
The midfielder is also a Scotland U21 international, representing his country on 24 occasions, and will be hoping his move to Luton can help to ignite his career in the Scotland first team with similar moves helping the likes of John McGinn and Kenny McLean who are now regulars in the squad.
Thoughts?
This could well work out to be a great move for both Campbell and Luton. The 22-year-old will get the chance to test himself against different types of opposition which can help to mold him into a more well-rounded player.
The move south of the border could also improve his chances of eventually playing in the Premier League with top sides always looking to improve their squads with players from the EFL.
For Luton, this is a player that will improve their squad drastically, he has impressed with Motherwell and will no doubt gives Jones a different dynamic and option in midfield.
Campbell could well find his feet early and hit the ground running should he be given the chance.
https://the72.co.uk/239200/luton-town-confirm-signing-of-22-y-o-previously-linked-with-fulham-millwall/
https://twitter.com/lhenry019/status/1404808273962876932
Quote from: Friendsoffulham on June 16, 2021, 09:04:52 AM
https://twitter.com/lhenry019/status/1404808273962876932
Can imagine this happening if Tosin goes early.
Quote from: Bronaldinho on June 16, 2021, 09:47:53 AM
Quote from: Friendsoffulham on June 16, 2021, 09:04:52 AM
https://twitter.com/lhenry019/status/1404808273962876932
Can imagine this happening if Tosin goes early.
We need a CB anyway, after Andersen leaving, even if Tosin stays
Quote from: Friendsoffulham on June 16, 2021, 09:04:52 AM
https://twitter.com/lhenry019/status/1404808273962876932
Bloody hell he's only 23? Feels like he's been around for ages without breaking through properly but that's still pretty young, anyone got an insight into how he's been at Bournemouth?
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just taken a look at Bournemouth Forums and seen a few mentioned that he was 'very good once fit'... more CB injury woes? Might be worth a punt, perhaps him and Tosin if alongside eachother could form a partnership potentially capable of stepping up again if we go up.
Quote from: jayffc on June 16, 2021, 11:54:57 AM
Quote from: Friendsoffulham on June 16, 2021, 09:04:52 AM
https://twitter.com/lhenry019/status/1404808273962876932
Bloody hell he's only 23? Feels like he's been around for ages without breaking through properly but that's still pretty young, anyone got an insight into how he's been at Bournemouth?
Edit*
just taken a look at Bournemouth Forums and seen a few mentioned that he was 'very good once fit'... more CB injury woes? Might be worth a punt, perhaps him and Tosin if alongside eachother could form a partnership potentially capable of stepping up again if we go up.
Agreed - although if we have Tosin, Ream, Mawson, Hector, CCV, Kongolo, MLM, surely we move 1 or 2 out. Especially if we play 4 at the back, don't need seven CB's. Would LIKE MLM and Mawson out, but feel it would be Tosin and MLM.
Quote from: Porthogs FC on June 16, 2021, 01:23:01 PM
Quote from: jayffc on June 16, 2021, 11:54:57 AM
Quote from: Friendsoffulham on June 16, 2021, 09:04:52 AM
https://twitter.com/lhenry019/status/1404808273962876932
Bloody hell he's only 23? Feels like he's been around for ages without breaking through properly but that's still pretty young, anyone got an insight into how he's been at Bournemouth?
Edit*
Impressed me in their play-off match. Tough tackling, uncompromising but small for a centre back by modern standards.
just taken a look at Bournemouth Forums and seen a few mentioned that he was 'very good once fit'... more CB injury woes? Might be worth a punt, perhaps him and Tosin if alongside eachother could form a partnership potentially capable of stepping up again if we go up.
Agreed - although if we have Tosin, Ream, Mawson, Hector, CCV, Kongolo, MLM, surely we move 1 or 2 out. Especially if we play 4 at the back, don't need seven CB's. Would LIKE MLM and Mawson out, but feel it would be Tosin and MLM.
Surely we will not now make any new signings until a new manager is in position.
Quote from: filham on June 16, 2021, 03:30:09 PM
Surely we will not now make any new signings until a new manager is in position.
And that could be weeks!
Surely the last thing we need is a CB. I mean of course there is a chance that Hector, Tosin, Mawson, Kongolo, Ream, Odoi and MLM will all be injured at the same time (for Kongolo and Mawson it's guaranteed) but is there any other position where we're going to have 7 levels of backup?
We need CB's to fill the bench 086.gif
Quote from: Statto on June 16, 2021, 03:37:04 PM
Surely the last thing we need is a CB. I mean of course there is a chance that Hector, Tosin, Mawson, Kongolo, Ream, Odoi and MLM will all be injured at the same time (for Kongolo and Mawson it's guaranteed) but is there any other position where we're going to have 7 levels of backup?
Tosin, Kongolo and Mawson are the only decent centre backs we have and as you say Kongolo and Mawson can't be relied on so on that basis we need a partner for Tosin. Just the thought of seeing Ream, Odoi and Le Marchand as anything more than back up would be concerning. I hope that Odoi and Le Marchand are able to find other clubs in the window.
Quote from: Whitestone on June 16, 2021, 05:05:55 PM
Quote from: Statto on June 16, 2021, 03:37:04 PM
Surely the last thing we need is a CB. I mean of course there is a chance that Hector, Tosin, Mawson, Kongolo, Ream, Odoi and MLM will all be injured at the same time (for Kongolo and Mawson it's guaranteed) but is there any other position where we're going to have 7 levels of backup?
Tosin, Kongolo and Mawson are the only decent centre backs we have and as you say Kongolo and Mawson can't be relied on so on that basis we need a partner for Tosin. Just the thought of seeing Ream, Odoi and Le Marchand as anything more than back up would be concerning. I hope that Odoi and Le Marchand are able to find other clubs in the window.
My word. Arguably our best CB Hector not even mentioned because he fell out of favour with Parker. May as well presume Mitro won't be playing next year either then. And Kongolo who has two false hips and has played about 30 seconds of football in the last 12 years gets a mention.
Quote from: Statto on June 16, 2021, 05:15:13 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on June 16, 2021, 05:05:55 PM
Quote from: Statto on June 16, 2021, 03:37:04 PM
Surely the last thing we need is a CB. I mean of course there is a chance that Hector, Tosin, Mawson, Kongolo, Ream, Odoi and MLM will all be injured at the same time (for Kongolo and Mawson it's guaranteed) but is there any other position where we're going to have 7 levels of backup?
Tosin, Kongolo and Mawson are the only decent centre backs we have and as you say Kongolo and Mawson can't be relied on so on that basis we need a partner for Tosin. Just the thought of seeing Ream, Odoi and Le Marchand as anything more than back up would be concerning. I hope that Odoi and Le Marchand are able to find other clubs in the window.
My word. Arguably our best CB Hector not even mentioned because he fell out of favour with Parker. May as well presume Mitro won't be playing next year either then. And Kongolo who has two false hips and has played about 30 seconds of football in the last 12 years gets a mention.
Statto I don't know that you can blame SP for Hector's strange loss of form. He was outstanding Jan-March Lockdown and then he seemed a completely different player, nervous, indecisive . For me after watching football for 60 years I can't explain it.
In view of his two recent performances in premier league matches I would say Ream may well have another good championship season in him. Sorting out the four players to be our two centre backs for next season is a priority for the new manager.
Let's not rewrite history Jim. Hector went from looking PL quality to somewhat average Championship quality but was still part of a solid defence in the run-in and play offs despite his partner being Tim Traffic Cone Ream. He looked totally overwhelmed in those first few PL games but so did everyone. Tosin followed a similar trajectory - started off looking PL quality, looked out of his depth second half of the season, and I expect that if his next match was home to Arsenal with Ream and Odoi alongside him he'd complete the fall from grace to basket case. The lesson is surely to consider players' multi-year track records rather than reacting to the short-term highs and lows. As to who's to blame for the lows, well there can be all sorts of reasons but the coach's job is motivation so that's the first place I'd look.
Quote from: Statto on June 16, 2021, 05:38:43 PM
Let's not rewrite history Jim. Hector went from looking PL quality to somewhat average Championship quality but was still part of a solid defence in the run-in and play offs despite his partner being Tim Traffic Cone Ream. He looked totally overwhelmed in those first few PL games but so did everyone. Tosin followed a similar trajectory - started off looking PL quality, looked out of his depth second half of the season, and I expect that if his next match was home to Arsenal with Ream and Odoi alongside him he'd complete the fall from grace to basket case. The lesson is surely to consider players' multi-year track records rather than reacting to the short-term highs and lows. As to who's to blame for the lows, well there can be all sorts of reasons but the coach's job is motivation so that's the first place I'd look.
One thing parker did get right was motivating the team. slag him off ,but not for that
Quote from: Statto on June 16, 2021, 05:38:43 PM
Let's not rewrite history Jim. Hector went from looking PL quality to somewhat average Championship quality but was still part of a solid defence in the run-in and play offs despite his partner being Tim Traffic Cone Ream. He looked totally overwhelmed in those first few PL games but so did everyone. Tosin followed a similar trajectory - started off looking PL quality, looked out of his depth second half of the season, and I expect that if his next match was home to Arsenal with Ream and Odoi alongside him he'd complete the fall from grace to basket case. The lesson is surely to consider players' multi-year track records rather than reacting to the short-term highs and lows. As to who's to blame for the lows, well there can be all sorts of reasons but the coach's job is motivation so that's the first place I'd look.
That's my point Statto your version is inaccurate in my opinion. I remembered a number of us writing on message boards asking what had happened to Hector in the lockdown (just like Mitro came back in different shape). Hector was a nervous wreck. One regular contributor wondered whether having his first child might have been the cause although that left most of us scratching our heads. Whatever Parker has to answer for it's not this
Quote from: JimOG on June 16, 2021, 06:10:03 PM
Quote from: Statto on June 16, 2021, 05:38:43 PM
Let's not rewrite history Jim. Hector went from looking PL quality to somewhat average Championship quality but was still part of a solid defence in the run-in and play offs despite his partner being Tim Traffic Cone Ream. He looked totally overwhelmed in those first few PL games but so did everyone. Tosin followed a similar trajectory - started off looking PL quality, looked out of his depth second half of the season, and I expect that if his next match was home to Arsenal with Ream and Odoi alongside him he'd complete the fall from grace to basket case. The lesson is surely to consider players' multi-year track records rather than reacting to the short-term highs and lows. As to who's to blame for the lows, well there can be all sorts of reasons but the coach's job is motivation so that's the first place I'd look.
That's my point Statto your version is inaccurate in my opinion. I remembered a number of us writing on message boards asking what had happened to Hector in the lockdown (just like Mitro came back in different shape). Hector was a nervous wreck. One regular contributor wondered whether having his first child might have been the cause although that left most of us scratching our heads. Whatever Parker has to answer for it's not this
Not really disagreeing with you Jim so not sure what the argument is. I don't dispute that he was poor - my point is just that every player has been poor at some point (Mitrovic best recent example) and it makes no sense to write them off because of it. As to whether Parker is to blame, that's pure speculation so your guess might be different to mine but that's all it is, a guess.
@colinwhite you know we normally agree but if you think that team was motivated when it got 2 points from 10 games at the most important time of the season, sorry but you need your head examined. I used to buy into the Parker rhetoric and believe he was a good motivator but seeing those players mentally capitulate and go from favourites to finish above Newcastle to finishing 17 (seventeen!!) pts below them showed Parker is most definitely not a good motivator.
2 from 10 points, but should have at least 4, and possibly 6 - with the Man U goal in the 1-1 draw blatantly offside, and the Arsenal equaliser at their place controversial to say the least.
Agree that Hector's falling apart in the Prem, seemed inexplicable, and psychologically related, and likely to do with issues outside the game, though his lack of confidence v Prem attackers possibly hints at why he hasn't made the top grade, when he'd looked so accomplished for us in the Champ.
And wasn't his form in the Champ. to do with Parker's motivationally skills, if Parker is held responsible for not motivating him in the Prem?
Though I don't believe that these highly paid elite players, contending for such high stakes, who've made it to this level against great competition, should need much outer motivation.
But Parker always expressed confidence in the the team, and praised them, and seemed a very good leader and motivator, who was much liked and respected by the players.
Quote from: Statto on June 16, 2021, 06:20:28 PM
Quote from: JimOG on June 16, 2021, 06:10:03 PM
Quote from: Statto on June 16, 2021, 05:38:43 PM
Let's not rewrite history Jim. Hector went from looking PL quality to somewhat average Championship quality but was still part of a solid defence in the run-in and play offs despite his partner being Tim Traffic Cone Ream. He looked totally overwhelmed in those first few PL games but so did everyone. Tosin followed a similar trajectory - started off looking PL quality, looked out of his depth second half of the season, and I expect that if his next match was home to Arsenal with Ream and Odoi alongside him he'd complete the fall from grace to basket case. The lesson is surely to consider players' multi-year track records rather than reacting to the short-term highs and lows. As to who's to blame for the lows, well there can be all sorts of reasons but the coach's job is motivation so that's the first place I'd look.
That's my point Statto your version is inaccurate in my opinion. I remembered a number of us writing on message boards asking what had happened to Hector in the lockdown (just like Mitro came back in different shape). Hector was a nervous wreck. One regular contributor wondered whether having his first child might have been the cause although that left most of us scratching our heads. Whatever Parker has to answer for it's not this
Not really disagreeing with you Jim so not sure what the argument is. I don't dispute that he was poor - my point is just that every player has been poor at some point (Mitrovic best recent example) and it makes no sense to write them off because of it. As to whether Parker is to blame, that's pure speculation so your guess might be different to mine but that's all it is, a guess.
@colinwhite you know we normally agree but if you think that team was motivated when it got 2 points from 10 games at the most important time of the season, sorry but you need your head examined. I used to buy into the Parker rhetoric and believe he was a good motivator but seeing those players mentally capitulate and go from favourites to finish above Newcastle to finishing 17 (seventeen!!) pts below them showed Parker is most definitely not a good motivator.
Statto I think it's more optimist v pessimist. I see your argument & by season end Mitro was flying - hence making that decision by SP really strange in the light of our need for a natural striker. And if you can look in your crystal ball & tell me you see good Hector - Hector Mark 1 who appeared in Jan 2020 reappearing I'll be first to buy you a drink. My fear is that Hector Mark 2 , the post lockdown version, is what we've got. I watched him closely v Brentford in the League Cup (?) where he avoided aerial challenges, and Burnley in the FA Cup where he was really shocking. If we can see the Hector of last January 12 months return nobody would be happier than me. He, Tosin, Kongolo with Ream (it's a long season) would be the best central defence in the Championship. As you say all players go through a bad spell...
Would expect to see us linked with Ayew, Grimes and Hourihane if we get cooper to replace SP...all decent signings imo
BIRMINGHAM CITYBIRMINGHAM CITY LOCKED IN TRANSFER TUSSLE WITH FULHAM FOR POTENTIAL AGREEMENT WITH 10-GOAL FORWARD
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/birmingham-city-locked-in-transfer-tussle-with-fulham-for-potential-agreement-with-10-goal-forward/
Quote from: Bronaldinho on June 16, 2021, 09:47:53 AM
Quote from: Friendsoffulham on June 16, 2021, 09:04:52 AM
https://twitter.com/lhenry019/status/1404808273962876932
Can imagine this happening if Tosin goes early.
Followed CCV since he was a youth player. Always been a fan of him. One of those understated but effective CB's. If Tosin is moving on, would be happy to see him brought in to partner with Hector or Kongolo.
A quick note on Hector, IMHO he is a squad player for the Championship level. He had a short decent period there but then showed his true colors in my eyes at being a red card waiting to happen. Just for context, I have been watching him in the CONCACAF and he really hasn't shown anything special that would make me think that he should be a starter for next season. He recently played a holding defending midfielder for Jamaica and again several times looked like he was going to get a red card.
Fulham need a better option IMO. Let the stoning begin 086.gif
Quote from: Arthur on June 12, 2021, 02:47:16 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on June 11, 2021, 11:26:43 PM
Very good analysis. I trust statistics a lot and the statistics say that Tosin is a "top centre-back when alongside Anderson", but before that time he was a "decent centre-back comparable to Hector", only much younger so better for the long-term. The statistics could a) indicate Anderson is the difference, b) indicate Tosin is improving or c) the statistic could be misleading. I suspect a little truth with all three, but the most important of the three was Anderson improving Tosins statistics.
I'm not aware of any of the statistics connected to Tosin or Andersen, but in saying 'Andersen is the difference' (in the case of Tosin's improvement), I wonder whether Andersen's statistics also improved. And if they did, does this not indicate that both players benefited from the partnership, not just Tosin? In which case, does this not raise the possibility that a centre-back pairing of Hector and Tosin could, likewise, be beneficial to both players' performance levels? May I also ask, TRF, why you suspect Tosin's statistics may be misleading?
The reason that I suspect Tosin's statistics are misleadingly high is twofold.
Firstly, Tosin who scored statistics went from 6.99 in the championship to 6.73 in the premier league (equal to about 7.13 in the championship), which is a fairly significant rise in a season.
Secondly, Joachim Andersen who scored a rating of 6.78 seems quite low for two reasons as it is almost identical to Tosin and is lower than some of his previous seasons at Sampdoria (yet he is suppose to have played better).
I believe Joachim Andersen who scored performance this season should be around +0.1 higher (at 6.88 placings him as the 14th best center back in the premier league) and Tosin's who scored rating this season should be potential 0.1 lower (at 6.63 placing him around the level of Eric Dyer as CB), which would translate to about 7.03 who scored performance in the championship, which is about the improvement expected from a player his age.
Assuming Tosin continues improving at that rate, he should be the best central defender in the championship but not by much and that seems about correct to me. I think his statistics are misleading as he is closer to Hector before lockdown in quality (although he is marginally better than Hector before lockdown) than he is to the far superior Anderson.
Marcondes is available on a free transfer. Id imagine he has some prem interest, and i realize we had a tiff with him over his comments before our final win.
Quote from: vancouver on June 24, 2021, 10:42:51 PM
Marcondes is available on a free transfer. Id imagine he has some prem interest, and i realize we had a tiff with him over his comments before our final win.
I'd take a punt on him. Always looked good in the (admittedly few) games I've seen him in. You'd assume he would welcome a move without the upheaval of moving house etc unless he intends going back to Denmark or a big PL team comes in for him
There is no chance of a Premier League team signing Marcondes. The fact that Brentford don't want him should be sufficient to recognise that. He wasn't a regular starter at Brentford either. It would be a backwards step if we start to sign players of his calibre.
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Quote from: vancouver on June 24, 2021, 10:42:51 PM
Marcondes is available on a free transfer. Id imagine he has some prem interest, and i realize we had a tiff with him over his comments before our final win.
I'd take a punt on him. Always looked good in the (admittedly few) games I've seen him in. You'd assume he would welcome a move without the upheaval of moving house etc unless he intends going back to Denmark or a big PL team comes in for him
Hate the phrase 'take a punt'.
Our transfers need to be based on a clear strategy. And whats the point of filling the bench with players in their mid 2os when you can promote youth or buy a start and relegate a current player to the subs...
Greek club Aris Salonika have tabled a bid worth over £4,000,000 for Abou Kamala according to Sky Sports
Quote from: junior white on June 25, 2021, 10:56:30 PM
Greek club Aris Salonika have tabled a bid worth over £4,000,000 for Abou Kamala according to Sky Sports
That can't be true. Aris doesn't have that much money and I don't think he has ever paid that much for any player.
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Quote from: Asotosyios on June 25, 2021, 11:05:58 PM
Quote from: junior white on June 25, 2021, 10:56:30 PM
Greek club Aris Salonika have tabled a bid worth over £4,000,000 for Abou Kamala according to Sky Sports
That can't be true. Aris doesn't have that much money and I don't think he has ever paid that much for any player.
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Just going by this...
https://www.skysports.com/transfer-centre
Quote from: junior white on June 25, 2021, 11:15:19 PM
Quote from: Asotosyios on June 25, 2021, 11:05:58 PM
Quote from: junior white on June 25, 2021, 10:56:30 PM
Greek club Aris Salonika have tabled a bid worth over £4,000,000 for Abou Kamala according to Sky Sports
That can't be true. Aris doesn't have that much money and I don't think he has ever paid that much for any player.
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Just going by this...
https://www.skysports.com/transfer-centre
I know, I saw it as well. Aris doesn't have that money though. I doubt they will spend £4m for all their transfers.
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Quote from: Asotosyios on June 25, 2021, 11:17:29 PM
Quote from: junior white on June 25, 2021, 11:15:19 PM
Quote from: Asotosyios on June 25, 2021, 11:05:58 PM
Quote from: junior white on June 25, 2021, 10:56:30 PM
Greek club Aris Salonika have tabled a bid worth over £4,000,000 for Abou Kamala according to Sky Sports
That can't be true. Aris doesn't have that much money and I don't think he has ever paid that much for any player.
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Just going by this...
https://www.skysports.com/transfer-centre
I know, I saw it as well. Aris doesn't have that money though. I doubt they will spend £4m for all their transfers.
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Maybe they meant PAOK Salonika, but would think they will aim higher
Quote from: junior white on June 25, 2021, 11:25:44 PM
Quote from: Asotosyios on June 25, 2021, 11:17:29 PM
Quote from: junior white on June 25, 2021, 11:15:19 PM
Quote from: Asotosyios on June 25, 2021, 11:05:58 PM
Quote from: junior white on June 25, 2021, 10:56:30 PM
Greek club Aris Salonika have tabled a bid worth over £4,000,000 for Abou Kamala according to Sky Sports
That can't be true. Aris doesn't have that much money and I don't think he has ever paid that much for any player.
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Just going by this...
https://www.skysports.com/transfer-centre
I know, I saw it as well. Aris doesn't have that money though. I doubt they will spend £4m for all their transfers.
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Maybe they meant PAOK Salonika, but would think they will aim higher
PAOK has definitely deeper pockets, but I would be very surprised if any team offered £4m for Kamara.
I know a lot people don't rate him, but I would not mind us keeping him in a backup striker/winger role next season.
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£4 million! They must be out of their minds. He's overpriced at a tenth of that. Just hope the rumour's true.
Didn't we pay £5 million for him?
If we're not biting their hands off then we as a club must be mental.
Quote from: Blawarmy on June 26, 2021, 12:04:10 PM
Didn't we pay £5 million for him?
Can't remember exactly how much we paid for him, but we shouldn't be getting anywhere near half back as a ROI if we do sell
When Parker goes, I think Omonah might follow, possibly Cav too.
Quote from: rebel on June 26, 2021, 04:48:29 PM
When Parker goes, I think Omonah might follow, possibly Cav too.
No big miss, except Cav when he takes a shot.
With the possible exception of Mitro and BDR I think we need fresh blood up front, some of which could conceivably come from our own youth. Other than that I'd like to see one or two fresh faces. Time for Knock, AK and Cav to move on I feel.
Quote from: gang on June 26, 2021, 05:11:27 PM
Quote from: rebel on June 26, 2021, 04:48:29 PM
When Parker goes, I think Omonah might follow, possibly Cav too.
No big miss, except Cav when he takes a shot.
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Swans were interested in Michael Obafemi last season, I can see us signing him if we get their coach...
Turkish rumours (so not the most reliable) about Besiktas closing in on Mitro on loan and that Galatasaray want Tete on loan.
Quote from: twang on June 30, 2021, 11:34:55 AM
Turkish rumours (so not the most reliable) about Besiktas closing in on Mitro on loan and that Galatasaray want Tete on loan.
Just don't see us loaning out Mitro. It's either sell or stay. Tete is premier league quality, perhaps this would happen if he's on big wages. We'd likely want to keep him for when we're back next year lol.
Quote from: twang on June 30, 2021, 11:34:55 AM
Turkish rumours (so not the most reliable) about Besiktas closing in on Mitro on loan and that Galatasaray want Tete on loan.
Would be very annoyed were either deal to go through.
Quote from: twang on June 30, 2021, 11:34:55 AM
Turkish rumours (so not the most reliable) about Besiktas closing in on Mitro on loan and that Galatasaray want Tete on loan.
Mitro not in the training pics, picture of him doing the rounds on Twitter, he just happens to be on holiday, guess where?
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on June 30, 2021, 12:58:42 PM
Quote from: twang on June 30, 2021, 11:34:55 AM
Turkish rumours (so not the most reliable) about Besiktas closing in on Mitro on loan and that Galatasaray want Tete on loan.
Mitro not in the training pics, picture of him doing the rounds on Twitter, he just happens to be on holiday, guess where?
His Instagram story has him in Fulham shorts, so I'm not worried for now
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With Marco Silva potentially incoming...guess that means Richarlison In is guaranteed right?
Quote from: jayffc on July 01, 2021, 01:01:25 AM
With Marco Silva potentially incoming...guess that means Richarlison In is guaranteed right?
Plenty of injury time then. Looks like last train home for you.
OK we have a new manager for 1.5 hours it's the 1st July why haven't we signed anyone loads of free transfer to be had,
We are going to be linked with every portuguese speaking player in Europe this window.
I have it on good authority that we are in for Rodrigues, Lopes, Nunes, Mendes, Fernandes, Gonçalves, Arantes, Esteves and Álvares 064.gif
First transfer done for Parker - Marcondes. Released by Brentford. The one who said before the play-off final that we feared them, then got rag-dolled by Mitrovic in the incident that distracted their keeper for Bryan's sneaky freekick. So another reason to dislike Bournemouth next season.
Joachim Andersen wanted by Spuds - Please not there Joachim!
Quote from: Statto on July 03, 2021, 09:51:28 AM
First transfer done for Parker - Marcondes. Released by Brentford. The one who said before the play-off final that we feared them, then got rag-dolled by Mitrovic in the incident that distracted their keeper for Bryan's sneaky freekick. So another reason to dislike Bournemouth next season.
Very good signing that is. On a free too.
Quote from: Jules on July 03, 2021, 03:20:47 PM
Quote from: Statto on July 03, 2021, 09:51:28 AM
First transfer done for Parker - Marcondes. Released by Brentford. The one who said before the play-off final that we feared them, then got rag-dolled by Mitrovic in the incident that distracted their keeper for Bryan's sneaky freekick. So another reason to dislike Bournemouth next season.
Very good signing that is. On a free too.
Wonder how many weeks until Silva gets his first signing?
Hopefully not to long, I'm sure he will have been given some reassurances before he took the job!
Quote from: Blawarmy on July 03, 2021, 03:53:47 PM
Quote from: Jules on July 03, 2021, 03:20:47 PM
Quote from: Statto on July 03, 2021, 09:51:28 AM
First transfer done for Parker - Marcondes. Released by Brentford. The one who said before the play-off final that we feared them, then got rag-dolled by Mitrovic in the incident that distracted their keeper for Bryan's sneaky freekick. So another reason to dislike Bournemouth next season.
Very good signing that is. On a free too.
Wonder how many weeks until Silva gets his first signing?
About 7-8 knowing us
Silva is apparently interested in Bright Osayi-Samuel, ex-QPR, at Fenrbahce. Not sure Fener will sell to one of the men they were trying to recruit for their managerial job.
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/07/fulham-fancy-osayi-samuel/
Several Premier League clubs allegedly interested in signing Robinson along with Manchester City according to the Athletic.
If we are going to have to sell Robinson Mitro Frank and even Tosin, we should make sure we get top money, those 4 could see between £50 - £75 million come in and a huge reduction in the wage bill, this would allow Silver to build a seriously good team. We need to offload many and bring through the best youngsters. This would represent a really fresh start.
Interesting times.
Quote from: FulhamStu on July 04, 2021, 09:12:17 PM
If we are going to have to sell Robinson Mitro Frank and even Tosin, we should make sure we get top money, those 4 could see between £50 - £75 million come in and a huge reduction in the wage bill, this would allow Silver to build a seriously good team. We need to offload many and bring through the best youngsters. This would represent a really fresh start.
Interesting times.
We don´t have to sell anyone that we don´t need to. Those 4 are key parts so why sell. Seri, MLM yes but with the extra matches we need good back ups.
Quote from: FulhamStu on July 04, 2021, 09:12:17 PM
If we are going to have to sell Robinson Mitro Frank and even Tosin, we should make sure we get top money, those 4 could see between £50 - £75 million come in and a huge reduction in the wage bill, this would allow Silver to build a seriously good team. We need to offload many and bring through the best youngsters. This would represent a really fresh start.
Interesting times.
I can see Frank going because he won't want to play in the Championship, but not the others you've named. If we're looking to raise fundS we should start with Fabri, MLM, Mawson, Kongolo, Knockaert and Seri all of whom I suspect are on chunky wages.
Quote from: FulhamStu on July 04, 2021, 09:12:17 PM
If we are going to have to sell Robinson Mitro Frank and even Tosin, we should make sure we get top money, those 4 could see between £50 - £75 million come in and a huge reduction in the wage bill, this would allow Silver to build a seriously good team. We need to offload many and bring through the best youngsters. This would represent a really fresh start.
Interesting times.
I can agree with most of that, but there's the rub as well ... the moment we bring on a good academy player one of the bigger teams come knocking, heads are turned and off they go, then rob us of serious compensation. I hate being a feeder team to others that really don't need, and seem rarely to use, those players that could do us some good, but that's the name of the game these days - sometimes I wish that SL had come to fruition and FIFA,UEFA and the English FA banned all players that joined it for life, then their plague would not be upon us.
Quote from: grandad on July 04, 2021, 09:35:12 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on July 04, 2021, 09:12:17 PM
If we are going to have to sell Robinson Mitro Frank and even Tosin, we should make sure we get top money, those 4 could see between £50 - £75 million come in and a huge reduction in the wage bill, this would allow Silver to build a seriously good team. We need to offload many and bring through the best youngsters. This would represent a really fresh start.
Interesting times.
We don´t have to sell anyone that we don´t need to. Those 4 are key parts so why sell. Seri, MLM yes but with the extra matches we need good back ups.
If these players or any others can't be talked into giving Fulham another season in the championship and if they know the likes of Man City or Arsenal want them then I am afraid I disagree with you and we do need to sell. Of course I want to keep them all, my point is that if they want to go, we should ensure we get big money to allow Silver to re-build. I also agree with those listed that we should sell like MLM, Seri, Fabri. If we can keep all our defenders we should also sell or let go Ream, Christie, Odoi, and maybe loan Sess and/or Fossey again. Tosin, Kongolo, Mawson and Hector if fit are amazing central defenders for the championship. Tete, Robinson, Bryan are the same as full backs. Rodak is a top championship keeper so the defence is super strong but the secrete will be ,keeping them and getting them fit. Mawson is in full training not sure about Kongolo.
With Ream, Hector, Tosin & one of Mawson & Kongolo being fit (one can hope) this could be a season where we don't actually need to sign a CB???
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on July 05, 2021, 08:46:48 AM
With Ream, Hector, Tosin & one of Mawson & Kongolo being fit (one can hope) this could be a season where we don't actually need to sign a CB???
Ream may still be good enough for a lower half Championship squad but definitely not as a regular starter in a team that's (hopefully) aiming for automatic promotion.
Hector's problems must be psychological. I can't explain his sudden drop in form and 'deer in headlight' body language any other way. If he can regain his confidence and perform at his best he will be a regular starter. If not he's an accident waiting to happen.
We can't rely on Kongolo and Mawson for obvious reasons.
In my opinion we need at least one CB (and obviously get rid of some of the dead wood). Especially if we're going to play a more attacking style of football which will leave our defence FAR more exposed than Parkerball.
If Tosin is leaving we will probably need two CBs.
Of course we will need to strengthen several other positions too so I can't see us signing two CBs this window. Lets hope we can somehow keep Tosin. I know he's still a bit rough but he has lots of potential and is BY FAR our best CB.
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on July 04, 2021, 01:47:59 PM
Silva is apparently interested in Bright Osayi-Samuel, ex-QPR, at Fenrbahce. Not sure Fener will sell to one of the men they were trying to recruit for their managerial job.
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/07/fulham-fancy-osayi-samuel/
18 games for Fenerbace - 1 goal 1 assist, hmm. We'll see, think we were linked a while back too tbf
Quote from: Statto on July 04, 2021, 09:55:26 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on July 04, 2021, 09:12:17 PM
If we are going to have to sell Robinson Mitro Frank and even Tosin, we should make sure we get top money, those 4 could see between £50 - £75 million come in and a huge reduction in the wage bill, this would allow Silver to build a seriously good team. We need to offload many and bring through the best youngsters. This would represent a really fresh start.
Interesting times.
I can see Frank going because he won't want to play in the Championship, but not the others you've named. If we're looking to raise fundS we should start with Fabri, MLM, Mawson, Kongolo, Knockaert and Seri all of whom I suspect are on chunky wages.
I agree with all of those bar Kongolo, not willing to give up just yet. For what we'd get for him I'd rather we persevere in case he's able to shake the injuries. If he can he's a top-quality starter in my opinion. One of those I don't mind the gamble given the relative cost. But the rest it's long due time they saw the door. I'd consider Cav out aswell providing we can find a replacement.
Quote from: jayffc on July 05, 2021, 11:49:13 AM
Quote from: Statto on July 04, 2021, 09:55:26 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on July 04, 2021, 09:12:17 PM
If we are going to have to sell Robinson Mitro Frank and even Tosin, we should make sure we get top money, those 4 could see between £50 - £75 million come in and a huge reduction in the wage bill, this would allow Silver to build a seriously good team. We need to offload many and bring through the best youngsters. This would represent a really fresh start.
Interesting times.
I can see Frank going because he won't want to play in the Championship, but not the others you've named. If we're looking to raise fundS we should start with Fabri, MLM, Mawson, Kongolo, Knockaert and Seri all of whom I suspect are on chunky wages.
I agree with all of those bar Kongolo, not willing to give up just yet. For what we'd get for him I'd rather we persevere in case he's able to shake the injuries. If he can he's a top-quality starter in my opinion. One of those I don't mind the gamble given the relative cost. But the rest it's long due time they saw the door. I'd consider Cav out aswell providing we can find a replacement.
Agreed on Kongolo - there's a big player there & might be the making of Tosin. The one player I'd like us to add is Ola Aina. I know it's only transfermkt figures but at €5mill he'd be a bargain able to cover the back particularly if Robinson goes for €20mill+
Quote from: JimOG on July 05, 2021, 11:55:57 AM
Agreed on Kongolo - there's a big player there & might be the making of Tosin. The one player I'd like us to add is Ola Aina. I know it's only transfermkt figures but at €5mill he'd be a bargain able to cover the back particularly if Robinson goes for €20mill+
With you on both of those- Kongolo must surely have his injuries behind him? Aina is a utility upgrade on Dennis too.
Quote from: JimOG on July 05, 2021, 11:55:57 AM
Quote from: jayffc on July 05, 2021, 11:49:13 AM
Quote from: Statto on July 04, 2021, 09:55:26 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on July 04, 2021, 09:12:17 PM
If we are going to have to sell Robinson Mitro Frank and even Tosin, we should make sure we get top money, those 4 could see between £50 - £75 million come in and a huge reduction in the wage bill, this would allow Silver to build a seriously good team. We need to offload many and bring through the best youngsters. This would represent a really fresh start.
Interesting times.
I can see Frank going because he won't want to play in the Championship, but not the others you've named. If we're looking to raise fundS we should start with Fabri, MLM, Mawson, Kongolo, Knockaert and Seri all of whom I suspect are on chunky wages.
I agree with all of those bar Kongolo, not willing to give up just yet. For what we'd get for him I'd rather we persevere in case he's able to shake the injuries. If he can he's a top-quality starter in my opinion. One of those I don't mind the gamble given the relative cost. But the rest it's long due time they saw the door. I'd consider Cav out aswell providing we can find a replacement.
Agreed on Kongolo - there's a big player there & might be the making of Tosin. The one player I'd like us to add is Ola Aina. I know it's only transfermkt figures but at €5mill he'd be a bargain able to cover the back particularly if Robinson goes for €20mill+
Agree on Kongolo as well. He's looked good in the - limited number of - games he's played. Besides, we're unlikely to get much for him given his injury record.
I'm not sure Aina would be that cheap, the price we'd agreed was £11 million. If he's affordable I'd go for it.
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Quote from: Statto on July 04, 2021, 09:55:26 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on July 04, 2021, 09:12:17 PM
If we are going to have to sell Robinson Mitro Frank and even Tosin, we should make sure we get top money, those 4 could see between £50 - £75 million come in and a huge reduction in the wage bill, this would allow Silver to build a seriously good team. We need to offload many and bring through the best youngsters. This would represent a really fresh start.
Interesting times.
I can see Frank going because he won't want to play in the Championship, but not the others you've named. If we're looking to raise fundS we should start with Fabri, MLM, Mawson, Kongolo, Knockaert and Seri all of whom I suspect are on chunky wages.
I agree with all of those bar Kongolo, not willing to give up just yet. For what we'd get for him I'd rather we persevere in case he's able to shake the injuries. If he can he's a top-quality starter in my opinion. One of those I don't mind the gamble given the relative cost. But the rest it's long due time they saw the door. I'd consider Cav out aswell providing we can find a replacement.
Agreed on Kongolo - there's a big player there & might be the making of Tosin. The one player I'd like us to add is Ola Aina. I know it's only transfermkt figures but at €5mill he'd be a bargain able to cover the back particularly if Robinson goes for €20mill+
Agree on Kongolo as well. He's looked good in the - limited number of - games he's played. Besides, we're unlikely to get much for him given his injury record.
I'm not sure Aina would be that cheap, the price we'd agreed was £11 million. If he's affordable I'd go for it.
Even at that I'd bite. We need a bit of stability & if Robinson does go for double that it's money well spent. Rodak, Tete, Kongolo Aina Bryan Reed has the back end of the pitch sorted out.
I would offer Robinson a new contract personally even after relegation. Has the potential to be an elite left back or left wing back. Needs a couple of tweaks with delivery and awareness but a good coach can provide that. He will be a major asset in championship with his build and pace and will nullify any threat from the right. I like Joe but the bigger picture is keeping Robinson and he'll be better in premier league next time whereas Joe will always struggle at the top table.
Bryan was one of our better players in 18/19 then got dumped by parkerball. Is a better passer and crosser than Robinson, at the moment.
Now Wolves are in for Robinson at £10m allegedly
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/07/wolves-lining-up-10m-robinson-swoop/
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on July 05, 2021, 01:57:30 PM
Now Wolves are in for Robinson at £10m allegedly
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/07/wolves-lining-up-10m-robinson-swoop/
Hes not Portuguese or have Mendes as an agent plus haven't they just signed a kid from Barcelona
Quote from: Nero on July 05, 2021, 02:19:05 PM
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on July 05, 2021, 01:57:30 PM
Now Wolves are in for Robinson at £10m allegedly
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/07/wolves-lining-up-10m-robinson-swoop/
Hes not Portuguese or have Mendes as an agent plus haven't they just signed a kid from Barcelona
That was a winger (who is Portuguese). They're about to sign a left-back from France though.
A lot of these websites are desperate for stories as there is little going on transfer wise at present. They have been trying to link Tosin with many clubs before his alleged buyout clause runs out on 7 July. They are now trying to sell Robinson and have linked a loan move for Mitro with Turkish teams. Both have contracts so Fulham would only sell for the right price if it suits the club.
Personally I think it will be a couple of weeks for Silva to evaluate the squad before we see any movement.
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on July 05, 2021, 01:57:30 PM
Now Wolves are in for Robinson at £10m allegedly
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/07/wolves-lining-up-10m-robinson-swoop/
hes got plenty of promise but not irreplaceable and we already have Bryan in the wings whos a capable enough starter at this level. 10 million wouldnt be a bad price given its a 10x on what we paid for him.
Given we already have a starter at that price I'd consider it. Spend that on Aina as mentioned above or try and find another bargain ala robinson and spend the rest of that money eslewhere.
Keep everyone except Seri & MLM. With more matches we need a good 2nd string. Add a top CB to replace Andersen a real left winger to replace Lookman & at least two strikers should Mitro go right at the end of the window.
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on July 05, 2021, 01:57:30 PM
Now Wolves are in for Robinson at £10m allegedly
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/07/wolves-lining-up-10m-robinson-swoop/
I would say give us £15m and it's a deal
To all the people saying they'd sell Robinson for £10m - what are we meant to do if we go straight back up? We'd be selling a PL ready asset and then having to get promoted and start from scratch, which kind of defeats the issue of a lack of continuity that we're trying to overcome. I appreciate his crossing is quite wayward but proper coaching can sort that issue, he's got the raw physical assets to be at worst a competent PL left back, and we'd have to spend at least the same amount we sell him for to replace him should we go up again
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 05, 2021, 06:23:35 PM
To all the people saying they'd sell Robinson for £10m - what are we meant to do if we go straight back up? We'd be selling a PL ready asset and then having to get promoted and start from scratch, which kind of defeats the issue of a lack of continuity that we're trying to overcome. I appreciate his crossing is quite wayward but proper coaching can sort that issue, he's got the raw physical assets to be at worst a competent PL left back, and we'd have to spend at least the same amount we sell him for to replace him should we go up again
Agree.
He has a lot of raw potential. His pace will be a great asset in the champ.
We should keep Bryan too.
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 05, 2021, 06:23:35 PM
To all the people saying they'd sell Robinson for £10m - what are we meant to do if we go straight back up? We'd be selling a PL ready asset and then having to get promoted and start from scratch, which kind of defeats the issue of a lack of continuity that we're trying to overcome. I appreciate his crossing is quite wayward but proper coaching can sort that issue, he's got the raw physical assets to be at worst a competent PL left back, and we'd have to spend at least the same amount we sell him for to replace him should we go up again
28 premier league games, 0 goals and 0 assists from an attacking full back.
I think we could potentially be OK to replace that contribution. Plenty of times last year that Aina actually looked the better of the 2 in that position. Not that I dont rate Robinson but given Bryan is a decent enough LB for now if someone were to offer us north of 10million who knows what other young and affordable options might be about there next year just like Robinson was last time out.
Aina currently rated at half that fee (5mil) on transfermarkt (obvs just an estimate, may well cost a bit more) Id be happy with that if hed be willing to step down to the champ with us. If we had a agreed to 11mil if we stayed up...perhaps something like 7 mil wouldnt be out of the question if they wanted rid. would leave us with 4+ mil to help towards other positions and replace Robinson with a player I rated over him last year.
p.s I appreciate that being a LB isnt just about assists or goals but as an attacking wingback it is supposed to be part of his game. Also would add I dont know that he's that much better defender than Aina either, just quicker
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Quote from: Deeping_white on July 05, 2021, 06:23:35 PM
To all the people saying they'd sell Robinson for £10m - what are we meant to do if we go straight back up? We'd be selling a PL ready asset and then having to get promoted and start from scratch, which kind of defeats the issue of a lack of continuity that we're trying to overcome. I appreciate his crossing is quite wayward but proper coaching can sort that issue, he's got the raw physical assets to be at worst a competent PL left back, and we'd have to spend at least the same amount we sell him for to replace him should we go up again
28 premier league games, 0 goals and 0 assists from an attacking full back.
I think we could potentially be OK to replace that contribution. Plenty of times last year that Aina actually looked the better of the 2 in that position. Not that I dont rate Robinson but given Bryan is a decent enough LB for now if someone were to offer us north of 10million who knows what other young and affordable options might be about there next year just like Robinson was last time out.
Aina currently rated at half that fee (5mil) on transfermarkt (obvs just an estimate, may well cost a bit more) Id be happy with that if hed be willing to step down to the champ with us. If we had a agreed to 11mil if we stayed up...perhaps something like 7 mil wouldnt be out of the question if they wanted rid. would leave us with 4+ mil to help towards other positions and replace Robinson with a player I rated over him last year.
p.s I appreciate that being a LB isnt just about assists or goals but as an attacking wingback it is supposed to be part of his game. Also would add I dont know that he's that much better defender than Aina either, just quicker
Transfermarkt fees are usually a load of shite, so I wouldn't pay them much notice to be fair. There's no way we sign Aina for less than £10m unless Torino are broke because why would they suddenly agree to sell him for less than the fee we already agreed on, and he probably wouldn't want to drop down a level anyway. Fairly certain he's on bigger wages than Robinson as well so by the time you've sold Robinson for £10m and replaced him with Aina for the same price assuming we could even get him, we're probably worse off from how much he's earning over Robinson because I bet he'd want a hefty signing bonus as well to drop down a level. I wouldn't really look at a g/a metric for anyone playing in our team last season, pretty much everyone was told to attack at the pace of a retirement home, and he was done out of a few assists by some pretty rank finishing
Having marvelled at Antonee Robinson's performance at the Cottage in a Wigan shirt, banged on for the remainder of that season that we should sign him, missed out on live football because of Covid-19 and now shelled out for a season ticket, I might feel just a little cheesed off if we sell him before the season starts.
Robinson had promise, but failed to show much attacking class.
But this was under a manager who didn't know how to setup a fluid attacking style.
Silva could get more out of him, but we also have Bryan and money is tight in this league.
Defensively Robinson was and is an upgrade on Bryan. Offensively I agree with other posters. Bryan offers a bit more. Robinson will be a huge asset in the Championship. I hope we are able to retain the services of him and Tosin because a team with a good defence will always be in with a chance of success.
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Quote from: jayffc on July 05, 2021, 06:35:06 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 05, 2021, 06:23:35 PM
To all the people saying they'd sell Robinson for £10m - what are we meant to do if we go straight back up? We'd be selling a PL ready asset and then having to get promoted and start from scratch, which kind of defeats the issue of a lack of continuity that we're trying to overcome. I appreciate his crossing is quite wayward but proper coaching can sort that issue, he's got the raw physical assets to be at worst a competent PL left back, and we'd have to spend at least the same amount we sell him for to replace him should we go up again
28 premier league games, 0 goals and 0 assists from an attacking full back.
I think we could potentially be OK to replace that contribution. Plenty of times last year that Aina actually looked the better of the 2 in that position. Not that I dont rate Robinson but given Bryan is a decent enough LB for now if someone were to offer us north of 10million who knows what other young and affordable options might be about there next year just like Robinson was last time out.
Aina currently rated at half that fee (5mil) on transfermarkt (obvs just an estimate, may well cost a bit more) Id be happy with that if hed be willing to step down to the champ with us. If we had a agreed to 11mil if we stayed up...perhaps something like 7 mil wouldnt be out of the question if they wanted rid. would leave us with 4+ mil to help towards other positions and replace Robinson with a player I rated over him last year.
p.s I appreciate that being a LB isnt just about assists or goals but as an attacking wingback it is supposed to be part of his game. Also would add I dont know that he's that much better defender than Aina either, just quicker
Transfermarkt fees are usually a load of shite, so I wouldn't pay them much notice to be fair. There's no way we sign Aina for less than £10m unless Torino are broke because why would they suddenly agree to sell him for less than the fee we already agreed on, and he probably wouldn't want to drop down a level anyway. Fairly certain he's on bigger wages than Robinson as well so by the time you've sold Robinson for £10m and replaced him with Aina for the same price assuming we could even get him, we're probably worse off from how much he's earning over Robinson because I bet he'd want a hefty signing bonus as well to drop down a level. I wouldn't really look at a g/a metric for anyone playing in our team last season, pretty much everyone was told to attack at the pace of a retirement home, and he was done out of a few assists by some pretty rank finishing
Robinson had plenty opportunities to cross last year and failed miserably...his ratios in that department also weren't that special at Wigan. Out done by Bryan consistently in terms of that metric.
That said I agree that hes better than Bryan defensively...mostly because of his pace.
Its not that I dont rate him at all but I would sooner have Aina personally from what I've seen. Can play left and right back well.
End of the day if wolves and man city are genuinely gonna come in for him (would be very surprised with the latter) we dont stand a chance of keeping him so realistically north if 10million on a 1m5mil investment is pretty decent and more than enough to reinvest in the next promising LB if we do our job well enough
As for the fee for Aina... 11m was on the premise that we stayed up which would assume hed played well enough to play a part in keeping us up and making us that premier league money....given that didnt happen and they were willing to let him go on loan in the first place, he may be surplus to requirements and with one less year on his contract. Considering they bought him for 9mil and hes failed to nail a place down there it's possible they may be willing to part with just under what they paid if no one else will pay that amount. given theyd probably just loan him out again if not...even at 9million I wouldnt be mad at a potential upgrade to our Robinson in terms if actual output last year +1 or 2 million on top. There have certainly been worse trades imo
Happy to keep Robinson but replaceable imo. Perhaps hell mature and learn how to cross/ be better with a better team around him at a top club. A great athlete but if alot to learn in the final quarter
Quote from: Whitestone on July 05, 2021, 09:45:32 PM
Defensively Robinson was and is an upgrade on Bryan. Offensively I agree with other posters. Bryan offers a bit more. Robinson will be a huge asset in the Championship. I hope we are able to retain the services of him and Tosin because a team with a good defence will always be in with a chance of success.
He's not really. Robinson is quicker than Bryan which allows him to recover his position more quickly.
He was caught out of position on many, many occasions last year.
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Quote from: Deeping_white on July 05, 2021, 06:23:35 PM
To all the people saying they'd sell Robinson for £10m - what are we meant to do if we go straight back up? We'd be selling a PL ready asset and then having to get promoted and start from scratch, which kind of defeats the issue of a lack of continuity that we're trying to overcome. I appreciate his crossing is quite wayward but proper coaching can sort that issue, he's got the raw physical assets to be at worst a competent PL left back, and we'd have to spend at least the same amount we sell him for to replace him should we go up again
28 premier league games, 0 goals and 0 assists from an attacking full back.
I think we could potentially be OK to replace that contribution. Plenty of times last year that Aina actually looked the better of the 2 in that position. Not that I dont rate Robinson but given Bryan is a decent enough LB for now if someone were to offer us north of 10million who knows what other young and affordable options might be about there next year just like Robinson was last time out.
Aina currently rated at half that fee (5mil) on transfermarkt (obvs just an estimate, may well cost a bit more) Id be happy with that if hed be willing to step down to the champ with us. If we had a agreed to 11mil if we stayed up...perhaps something like 7 mil wouldnt be out of the question if they wanted rid. would leave us with 4+ mil to help towards other positions and replace Robinson with a player I rated over him last year.
p.s I appreciate that being a LB isnt just about assists or goals but as an attacking wingback it is supposed to be part of his game. Also would add I dont know that he's that much better defender than Aina either, just quicker
Transfermarkt fees are usually a load of shite, so I wouldn't pay them much notice to be fair. There's no way we sign Aina for less than £10m unless Torino are broke because why would they suddenly agree to sell him for less than the fee we already agreed on, and he probably wouldn't want to drop down a level anyway. Fairly certain he's on bigger wages than Robinson as well so by the time you've sold Robinson for £10m and replaced him with Aina for the same price assuming we could even get him, we're probably worse off from how much he's earning over Robinson because I bet he'd want a hefty signing bonus as well to drop down a level. I wouldn't really look at a g/a metric for anyone playing in our team last season, pretty much everyone was told to attack at the pace of a retirement home, and he was done out of a few assists by some pretty rank finishing
Robinson had plenty opportunities to cross last year and failed miserably...his ratios in that department also weren't that special at Wigan. Out done by Bryan consistently in terms of that metric.
That said I agree that hes better than Bryan defensively...mostly because of his pace.
Its not that I dont rate him at all but I would sooner have Aina personally from what I've seen. Can play left and right back well.
End of the day if wolves and man city are genuinely gonna come in for him (would be very surprised with the latter) we dont stand a chance of keeping him so realistically north if 10million on a 1m5mil investment is pretty decent and more than enough to reinvest in the next promising LB if we do our job well enough
As for the fee for Aina... 11m was on the premise that we stayed up which would assume hed played well enough to play a part in keeping us up and making us that premier league money....given that didnt happen and they were willing to let him go on loan in the first place, he may be surplus to requirements and with one less year on his contract. Considering they bought him for 9mil and hes failed to nail a place down there it's possible they may be willing to part with just under what they paid if no one else will pay that amount. given theyd probably just loan him out again if not...even at 9million I wouldnt be mad at a potential upgrade to our Robinson in terms if actual output last year +1 or 2 million on top. There have certainly been worse trades imo
Happy to keep Robinson but replaceable imo. Perhaps hell mature and learn how to cross/ be better with a better team around him at a top club. A great athlete but if alot to learn in the final quarter
There seems to be a massive push by fans to buy some forwards for a complete rebuild up front for next season, in which case selling Tosin, Robinson, and Anguissa to raise money is absolutely essential. Personally, I think any rebuild will take a year to take effect and after two years we have to cut the wage bill by £750k per week. So a rebuilding plan is really a plan to get promoted in 2022-23 and if we don't get promoted sell most of the team to the premier league then rebuild again with youth for a four-year promotion push. I don't think this is wise.
A better plan than a rebuild is to keep the existing squad (which is strong in defense and midfield) and bring in five loans with compulsory buy clauses if promoted. If promoted such a team only has to rebuild upfront.
First XI: Rodak; Tete, Tosin, Mawson/Kongolo, Robinson; Reed, Anguissa, Loan AM; Loan RW, Mitro and Loan LW
Second XI: Fabri; Christie, Hector, Ream, Bryan; Loan DM, Seri/Cairney, Onamah; Reid, Loan CF, and Cav/Kebano
From a financial perspective, it makes sense to have some permanent players plus a loan army. From a footballing sense, a loan army reduces the combinational strength of players so ideally, it would be better if we don't have loans all over the field (e.g. permanents in positions 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 10 & 11 and loans at 3, 4, 8 & 9). It would be foolish to sell Robinson, because we need to ensure this yo-yo team keeps most of its defensive combinations together (with permanents in positions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8 with some loans playing at 7, 9, 10, 11).
Quote from: simplyfulham on July 05, 2021, 11:56:33 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on July 05, 2021, 09:45:32 PM
Defensively Robinson was and is an upgrade on Bryan. Offensively I agree with other posters. Bryan offers a bit more. Robinson will be a huge asset in the Championship. I hope we are able to retain the services of him and Tosin because a team with a good defence will always be in with a chance of success.
He's not really. Robinson is quicker than Bryan which allows him to recover his position more quickly.
He was caught out of position on many, many occasions last year.
Having the pace to fix your mistakes is also a way to be good defensively though, it isn't like it is cheating. And we saw how it was against premier league opposition, the wingers aren't going to get any quicker or trickier.
Quote from: Tabby on July 06, 2021, 03:05:08 AM
Quote from: simplyfulham on July 05, 2021, 11:56:33 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on July 05, 2021, 09:45:32 PM
Defensively Robinson was and is an upgrade on Bryan. Offensively I agree with other posters. Bryan offers a bit more. Robinson will be a huge asset in the Championship. I hope we are able to retain the services of him and Tosin because a team with a good defence will always be in with a chance of success.
He's not really. Robinson is quicker than Bryan which allows him to recover his position more quickly.
He was caught out of position on many, many occasions last year.
Having the pace to fix your mistakes is also a way to be good defensively though, it isn't like it is cheating. And we saw how it was against premier league opposition, the wingers aren't going to get any quicker or trickier.
The skill of being able to get back into a defensive position allows Robinson and the team to attack more. Robinson's pace is really important for any team pushing high up the pitch due to the huge risk of a counter-attack. Tete, Reed, Anguissa, or Cairney are more likely to get forward with fast players like "Odoi, Kongolo, and Robinson" behind him than with slower players like "Tosin, Ream, and MLM" behind them.
Quote from: simplyfulham on July 05, 2021, 11:56:33 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on July 05, 2021, 09:45:32 PM
Defensively Robinson was and is an upgrade on Bryan. Offensively I agree with other posters. Bryan offers a bit more. Robinson will be a huge asset in the Championship. I hope we are able to retain the services of him and Tosin because a team with a good defence will always be in with a chance of success.
He's not really. Robinson is quicker than Bryan which allows him to recover his position more quickly.
He was caught out of position on many, many occasions last year.
And Bryan was regularly caught out of position when we were last in the Championship. The pairing of Bryan and Ream on the left side that season was problematic defensively. Robinson, if we are able to retain him, will be one of the best left backs in the Championship next season. Tosin and Robinson on the left side is a massive upgrade on what we had last time.
Quote from: Whitestone on July 06, 2021, 08:15:38 AM
Quote from: simplyfulham on July 05, 2021, 11:56:33 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on July 05, 2021, 09:45:32 PM
Defensively Robinson was and is an upgrade on Bryan. Offensively I agree with other posters. Bryan offers a bit more. Robinson will be a huge asset in the Championship. I hope we are able to retain the services of him and Tosin because a team with a good defence will always be in with a chance of success.
He's not really. Robinson is quicker than Bryan which allows him to recover his position more quickly.
He was caught out of position on many, many occasions last year.
And Bryan was regularly caught out of position when we were last in the Championship. The pairing of Bryan and Ream on the left side that season was problematic defensively. Robinson, if we are able to retain him, will be one of the best left backs in the Championship next season. Tosin and Robinson on the left side is a massive upgrade on what we had last time.
If Tosin is with us at the start of the season, I'm fairly sure he will play on the right. Kongolo and Ream left footed, Mawson also prefers playing LCB
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 06, 2021, 08:21:17 AM
Quote from: Whitestone on July 06, 2021, 08:15:38 AM
Quote from: simplyfulham on July 05, 2021, 11:56:33 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on July 05, 2021, 09:45:32 PM
Defensively Robinson was and is an upgrade on Bryan. Offensively I agree with other posters. Bryan offers a bit more. Robinson will be a huge asset in the Championship. I hope we are able to retain the services of him and Tosin because a team with a good defence will always be in with a chance of success.
He's not really. Robinson is quicker than Bryan which allows him to recover his position more quickly.
He was caught out of position on many, many occasions last year.
And Bryan was regularly caught out of position when we were last in the Championship. The pairing of Bryan and Ream on the left side that season was problematic defensively. Robinson, if we are able to retain him, will be one of the best left backs in the Championship next season. Tosin and Robinson on the left side is a massive upgrade on what we had last time.
If Tosin is with us at the start of the season, I'm fairly sure he will play on the right. Kongolo and Ream left footed, Mawson also prefers playing LCB
But Hector plays on the right and he isn't elderly or crippled like those three
Quote from: Statto on July 06, 2021, 08:44:24 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 06, 2021, 08:21:17 AM
Quote from: Whitestone on July 06, 2021, 08:15:38 AM
Quote from: simplyfulham on July 05, 2021, 11:56:33 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on July 05, 2021, 09:45:32 PM
Defensively Robinson was and is an upgrade on Bryan. Offensively I agree with other posters. Bryan offers a bit more. Robinson will be a huge asset in the Championship. I hope we are able to retain the services of him and Tosin because a team with a good defence will always be in with a chance of success.
He's not really. Robinson is quicker than Bryan which allows him to recover his position more quickly.
He was caught out of position on many, many occasions last year.
And Bryan was regularly caught out of position when we were last in the Championship. The pairing of Bryan and Ream on the left side that season was problematic defensively. Robinson, if we are able to retain him, will be one of the best left backs in the Championship next season. Tosin and Robinson on the left side is a massive upgrade on what we had last time.
If Tosin is with us at the start of the season, I'm fairly sure he will play on the right. Kongolo and Ream left footed, Mawson also prefers playing LCB
But Hector plays on the right and he isn't elderly or crippled like those three
It will be down to Silva but if Kongolo is fit I imagine him and Tosin start
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 06, 2021, 04:48:32 AM
Quote from: Tabby on July 06, 2021, 03:05:08 AM
Quote from: simplyfulham on July 05, 2021, 11:56:33 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on July 05, 2021, 09:45:32 PM
Defensively Robinson was and is an upgrade on Bryan. Offensively I agree with other posters. Bryan offers a bit more. Robinson will be a huge asset in the Championship. I hope we are able to retain the services of him and Tosin because a team with a good defence will always be in with a chance of success.
He's not really. Robinson is quicker than Bryan which allows him to recover his position more quickly.
He was caught out of position on many, many occasions last year.
Having the pace to fix your mistakes is also a way to be good defensively though, it isn't like it is cheating. And we saw how it was against premier league opposition, the wingers aren't going to get any quicker or trickier.
The skill of being able to get back into a defensive position allows Robinson and the team to attack more. Robinson's pace is really important for any team pushing high up the pitch due to the huge risk of a counter-attack. Tete, Reed, Anguissa, or Cairney are more likely to get forward with fast players like "Odoi, Kongolo, and Robinson" behind him than with slower players like "Tosin, Ream, and MLM" behind them.
Tosin is one of the quickest centre backs in the league.
I hope to see Tosin at the club this season although I suspect he won't be. If, as rumoured, there is a £10m buyout clause then many premier division clubs will be considering making a move. Given that MC apparently have a 20 pc sell on clause the profit on his sale will be limited. If anyone comes in then a young ambitious player will want to play at the top level. It will be a shame for the FFC supporters but part of the fallout of relegation.
Quote from: Mullers OG on July 06, 2021, 10:40:20 AM
I hope to see Tosin at the club this season although I suspect he won't be. If, as rumoured, there is a £10m buyout clause then many premier division clubs will be considering making a move. Given that MC apparently have a 20 pc sell on clause the profit on his sale will be limited. If anyone comes in then a young ambitious player will want to play at the top level. It will be a shame for the FFC supporters but part of the fallout of relegation.
The release clause expires this week. Either tomorrow or Saturday, I'm not sure which.
I think we should also be taking into consideration that Marco Silva may actually IMPROVE these players and not regress them as has happened lately. If Marco recognises Robinson's crossing is not up to scratch it is something that can be worked on surely? You cannot coach pace but most other things, including defensive positioning, you can.
I am looking forward to seeing what he does with the current squad.
We need to hold on to Tete, Tosin, Bryan and Robinson.
Quote from: Whitestone on July 06, 2021, 08:15:38 AM
Quote from: simplyfulham on July 05, 2021, 11:56:33 PM
Quote from: Whitestone on July 05, 2021, 09:45:32 PM
Defensively Robinson was and is an upgrade on Bryan. Offensively I agree with other posters. Bryan offers a bit more. Robinson will be a huge asset in the Championship. I hope we are able to retain the services of him and Tosin because a team with a good defence will always be in with a chance of success.
He's not really. Robinson is quicker than Bryan which allows him to recover his position more quickly.
He was caught out of position on many, many occasions last year.
And Bryan was regularly caught out of position when we were last in the Championship. The pairing of Bryan and Ream on the left side that season was problematic defensively. Robinson, if we are able to retain him, will be one of the best left backs in the Championship next season. Tosin and Robinson on the left side is a massive upgrade on what we had last time.
Yes Bryan was caught out in our championship season, but he's still better defensively than Robinson. Both things can be true and are true.
Robinson is a decent player and his advantages are his pace and his ball carrying/dribbling. I'd like to keep him. It'll be good to have the two best left backs in the league on one team.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 06, 2021, 10:45:23 AM
We need to hold on to Tete, Tosin, Bryan and Robinson.
Yes and also Reed and Mitrovic.
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 06, 2021, 10:41:33 AM
Quote from: Mullers OG on July 06, 2021, 10:40:20 AM
I hope to see Tosin at the club this season although I suspect he won't be. If, as rumoured, there is a £10m buyout clause then many premier division clubs will be considering making a move. Given that MC apparently have a 20 pc sell on clause the profit on his sale will be limited. If anyone comes in then a young ambitious player will want to play at the top level. It will be a shame for the FFC supporters but part of the fallout of relegation.
The release clause expires this week. Either tomorrow or Saturday, I'm not sure which.
It's tomorrow if the rumours are true, leaves no time for anyone to put in a bid and agree a contract, so we should be okay. Hopefully we'll ask for double the cost for any bids in the future.
Sorry to jump on the transfer thread with non transfer news but just to give my view on above. One of our most frustrating aspect of our play last year was our use (or lack of) of attacking full backs. Our attacking tactics were so one-dimensional. Also, player development was so poor. Even Harrison, who was excited about playing for a player he admired started losing his mojo by the end. My view is that Robinson is an upgrade on Frederics but you weren't given a chance to see that last season. Good players started to naturally gel by mid season. It took some impressively bad coaching to then make them a worse team.
I struggle to remember a Fulham manager that has got less out of a team. Wins on Merseyside were proof of how good the team could be. In fact, the tactics were correct for those games in much the same way a faulty watch is occasionally right.
Jol, Magath, Dicks, Branfoot. Parker wins.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on July 06, 2021, 11:03:29 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 06, 2021, 10:41:33 AM
Quote from: Mullers OG on July 06, 2021, 10:40:20 AM
I hope to see Tosin at the club this season although I suspect he won't be. If, as rumoured, there is a £10m buyout clause then many premier division clubs will be considering making a move. Given that MC apparently have a 20 pc sell on clause the profit on his sale will be limited. If anyone comes in then a young ambitious player will want to play at the top level. It will be a shame for the FFC supporters but part of the fallout of relegation.
The release clause expires this week. Either tomorrow or Saturday, I'm not sure which.
It's tomorrow if the rumours are true, leaves no time for anyone to put in a bid and agree a contract, so we should be okay. Hopefully we'll ask for double the cost for any bids in the future.
They don't need to have agreed a contract l. They just need to have triggered the fee
there was a very interesting couple of posts on another thread about Silva's tactics at Watford and Everton
he looks for the full backs to provide width so will be interesting as to who he selects.
on a slightly different note - also need to add Steve Sess and Marlon Fossey into the mix again at full back - i
i'd also forgotten that both Steve Sess and Onomah were members of that U17 WC winning team
Quote from: Ivorwasgod on July 06, 2021, 11:17:18 AM
there was a very interesting couple of posts on another thread about Silva's tactics at Watford and Everton
he looks for the full backs to provide width so will be interesting as to who he selects.
on a slightly different note - also need to add Steve Sess and Marlon Fossey into the mix again at full back - i
i'd also forgotten that both Steve Sess and Onomah were members of that U17 WC winning team
Was interesting to see what role Onomah will play. Was obviously Parkers pet, scored that wonder goal and was very good in the run in to promotion but has also gone missing in games.
Quote from: hongkongfulham on July 06, 2021, 11:21:52 AM
Quote from: Ivorwasgod on July 06, 2021, 11:17:18 AM
there was a very interesting couple of posts on another thread about Silva's tactics at Watford and Everton
he looks for the full backs to provide width so will be interesting as to who he selects.
on a slightly different note - also need to add Steve Sess and Marlon Fossey into the mix again at full back - i
i'd also forgotten that both Steve Sess and Onomah were members of that U17 WC winning team
Was interesting to see what role Onomah will play. Was obviously Parkers pet, scored that wonder goal and was very good in the run in to promotion but has also gone missing in games.
actually https://www.transfermarkt.com/josh-onomah/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/243589 (https://www.transfermarkt.com/josh-onomah/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/243589) his championship stats (for us and Villa) arent that bad 79 games, 7 goals and 9 assists
Quote from: Ivorwasgod on July 06, 2021, 11:29:36 AM
Quote from: hongkongfulham on July 06, 2021, 11:21:52 AM
Quote from: Ivorwasgod on July 06, 2021, 11:17:18 AM
there was a very interesting couple of posts on another thread about Silva's tactics at Watford and Everton
he looks for the full backs to provide width so will be interesting as to who he selects.
on a slightly different note - also need to add Steve Sess and Marlon Fossey into the mix again at full back - i
i'd also forgotten that both Steve Sess and Onomah were members of that U17 WC winning team
Was interesting to see what role Onomah will play. Was obviously Parkers pet, scored that wonder goal and was very good in the run in to promotion but has also gone missing in games.
actually https://www.transfermarkt.com/josh-onomah/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/243589 (https://www.transfermarkt.com/josh-onomah/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/243589) his championship stats (for us and Villa) arent that bad 79 games, 7 goals and 9 assists
That's pretty bad
Quote from: PaulJ123 on July 06, 2021, 12:35:14 PM
Quote from: Ivorwasgod on July 06, 2021, 11:29:36 AM
Quote from: hongkongfulham on July 06, 2021, 11:21:52 AM
Quote from: Ivorwasgod on July 06, 2021, 11:17:18 AM
there was a very interesting couple of posts on another thread about Silva's tactics at Watford and Everton
he looks for the full backs to provide width so will be interesting as to who he selects.
on a slightly different note - also need to add Steve Sess and Marlon Fossey into the mix again at full back - i
i'd also forgotten that both Steve Sess and Onomah were members of that U17 WC winning team
Was interesting to see what role Onomah will play. Was obviously Parkers pet, scored that wonder goal and was very good in the run in to promotion but has also gone missing in games.
actually https://www.transfermarkt.com/josh-onomah/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/243589 (https://www.transfermarkt.com/josh-onomah/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/243589) his championship stats (for us and Villa) arent that bad 79 games, 7 goals and 9 assists
That's pretty bad
Well he was a young'un but was also has played in promotion chasing sides so on balance pretty average. Needs to step up his contributions for sure but with some confidence he could be a player in my book. Heres hoping it happens for the lad
Quote from: PaulJ123 on July 06, 2021, 12:35:14 PM
Quote from: Ivorwasgod on July 06, 2021, 11:29:36 AM
Quote from: hongkongfulham on July 06, 2021, 11:21:52 AM
Quote from: Ivorwasgod on July 06, 2021, 11:17:18 AM
there was a very interesting couple of posts on another thread about Silva's tactics at Watford and Everton
he looks for the full backs to provide width so will be interesting as to who he selects.
on a slightly different note - also need to add Steve Sess and Marlon Fossey into the mix again at full back - i
i'd also forgotten that both Steve Sess and Onomah were members of that U17 WC winning team
Was interesting to see what role Onomah will play. Was obviously Parkers pet, scored that wonder goal and was very good in the run in to promotion but has also gone missing in games.
actually https://www.transfermarkt.com/josh-onomah/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/243589 (https://www.transfermarkt.com/josh-onomah/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/243589) his championship stats (for us and Villa) arent that bad 79 games, 7 goals and 9 assists
That's pretty bad
Depends how many of those 79 games were from the bench I guess.
Quote from: PaulJ123 on July 06, 2021, 12:35:14 PM
Quote from: Ivorwasgod on July 06, 2021, 11:29:36 AM
Quote from: hongkongfulham on July 06, 2021, 11:21:52 AM
Quote from: Ivorwasgod on July 06, 2021, 11:17:18 AM
there was a very interesting couple of posts on another thread about Silva's tactics at Watford and Everton
he looks for the full backs to provide width so will be interesting as to who he selects.
on a slightly different note - also need to add Steve Sess and Marlon Fossey into the mix again at full back - i
i'd also forgotten that both Steve Sess and Onomah were members of that U17 WC winning team
Was interesting to see what role Onomah will play. Was obviously Parkers pet, scored that wonder goal and was very good in the run in to promotion but has also gone missing in games.
actually https://www.transfermarkt.com/josh-onomah/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/243589 (https://www.transfermarkt.com/josh-onomah/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/243589) his championship stats (for us and Villa) arent that bad 79 games, 7 goals and 9 assists
That's pretty bad
A goal involvement every 5 games on average for a central midfielder is pretty good, what numbers aren't "pretty bad" in your mind?
https://the72.co.uk/241481/fulham-interested-in-watford-midfielder-will-hughes/
Wouldn't be against this depending on the finances involved.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 06, 2021, 01:23:05 PM
https://the72.co.uk/241481/fulham-interested-in-watford-midfielder-will-hughes/
Wouldn't be against this depending on the finances involved.
I just can't see this, he was a regular starter for them last season. So will likely be the same story this season
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 06, 2021, 01:23:05 PM
https://the72.co.uk/241481/fulham-interested-in-watford-midfielder-will-hughes/
Wouldn't be against this depending on the finances involved.
Very good player and would be a great but unlikely signing.
When I used to play Football Manager I bought him as a teenager and he turned into one of the best players in the world so I don't think he has quite lived up to that potential.
Connor McAvoy and Taye Ashby-Hammond has extended their contracts. Out of the players that the club have offered new deals to/open talks with only Jean-Pierre Tiehi, Mika Biereth and Marcus Bettinelli are yet to extend their contracts.
https://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2021/july/McAvoy-And-Ashby-Hammond-Extend-Stay/
It is a new era, we have no idea what Silva's tactics will be or what type of player he will favour. No use looking at his history, remember Jocanovic when at Watford had them playing a different type of football to that he introduced at the Cottage. Silva likewise could introduce something new at the Cottage.
I am eagerly awaiting to see if he intends to build an attack around Mitro and if Cav. and Knock are to stay with us.
I think that some have forgotten that managers can make players perform better. Remember the miracles that Joka worked with players like Scott Malone and Sone Aluko.
Journalist Alex Crook saying Fulham won the race to sign goalkeeper Ethan Horvath from Club Brugge. US international. Strange one
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 07, 2021, 09:10:38 AM
Journalist Alex Crook saying Fulham won the race to sign goalkeeper Ethan Horvath from Club Brugge. US international. Strange one
Not really, he's 25 so young for a GK, free agent and comes from a team that wont be paying him fortunes. Means we probably do a like for like swap with Betts and save some room on wages as he won't be coming in assuming he's #1 and means we can offload Fabri too and use one of the U23's as third choice keeper.
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 07, 2021, 09:20:13 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 07, 2021, 09:10:38 AM
Journalist Alex Crook saying Fulham won the race to sign goalkeeper Ethan Horvath from Club Brugge. US international. Strange one
Not really, he's 25 so young for a GK, free agent and comes from a team that wont be paying him fortunes. Means we probably do a like for like swap with Betts and save some room on wages as he won't be coming in assuming he's #1 and means we can offload Fabri too and use one of the U23's as third choice keeper.
No that's fair enough, I thought we were paying a fee for him but seems his contract is up. So I'm all for it!
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 07, 2021, 09:24:00 AM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 07, 2021, 09:20:13 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 07, 2021, 09:10:38 AM
Journalist Alex Crook saying Fulham won the race to sign goalkeeper Ethan Horvath from Club Brugge. US international. Strange one
Not really, he's 25 so young for a GK, free agent and comes from a team that wont be paying him fortunes. Means we probably do a like for like swap with Betts and save some room on wages as he won't be coming in assuming he's #1 and means we can offload Fabri too and use one of the U23's as third choice keeper.
No that's fair enough, I thought we were paying a fee for him but seems his contract is up. So I'm all for it!
Not that strange as Fabri is available for loan and Betts isnt around unless he signed a new deal so we need a keeper.
If it's true that we've signed Horvath, it's a bit of a coup.
Until recently, he's been a not-very-well-known player, the USA backup keeper to Man City's Zach Steffen. In the Concacaf nations cup final versus arch-rival Mexico, Horvath came on to replace the injured Steffen and proceeded to make a series of great, smart plays and big saves as Mexico poured on the pressure and the game went to overtime. He capped it off with a great save of a penalty kick that Mexico was awarded in like the 118th minute, and was mobbed by his teammates at the final whistle. He was undoubtedly the hero of the moment, and Chelsea's Pulisic was effusive with praise afterwards. There's much talk that he's earned the #1 shirt with that game, and if not, he's definitely in the conversation.
He and Rodak would be very strong duo to have at 'keeper in the Championship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUpKKlJFdrc
Looking for gossip, don´t bother with the BBC site. All you ever see is Arsenal, Spurs, Man City, Man Utd & Liverpool being linked with every player with 2 feet.
Betts is definitely gone.
After those latest financial reports we need players out the door before anyone comes in
Those latest reports were up to 2020
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on July 07, 2021, 02:52:11 PM
After those latest financial reports we need players out the door before anyone comes in
yes definitely. The squad is bloated and still has lots of dead wood that need to be moved on. I'd like to see a good clear out of 7 or 8 players and we can then bring in 4 or 5 that would strengthen us. Ideally a new striker (2 if Mitro goes), a pacy winger who can cross, a creative midfielder and a back up Goalie - it seems we have one identified already
I'd assume Horvath coming in can only happen cos Betts is leaving
The more I read about Horvath the more I like this signing. Good backup who could step in for Rodak if needed. Free as well, if we can do more like this Id be very happy.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 07, 2021, 03:08:53 PM
The more I read about Horvath the more I like this signing. Good backup who could step in for Rodak if needed. Free as well, if we can do more like this Id be very happy.
Agreed, we haven't used the free transfer market well for several seasons now. It's a great way to build your squad 1) early and 2) financially well. He should be able to push Rodak on and be able to step in if needed.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 07, 2021, 03:08:53 PM
The more I read about Horvath the more I like this signing. Good backup who could step in for Rodak if needed. Free as well, if we can do more like this Id be very happy.
If this comes off, this is a nice gamble.
Horvath is a Denver kid who moved overseas at 18. Played decently for Molde in Norway and got a move to Club Brugge, where his career stalled the past two years, but he has a good amount of UCL and EL experience. He's been firmly in the USMNT mix, although Zach Steffen is the clear first-choice keeper for the US at this time. As someone noted, Horvath came on for an injured Steffen recently in the Nations League final vs MEX and ended up as the hero with several huge saves. There's upside here, for sure. Rodak/Horvath would be a very solid Champ tandem. Horvath needs playing time, so I doubt he'd sign without some opportunity to be the No. 1. Could be an interesting battle, and definitely strengthens that position for us.
For added Fulhamishness, Horvath now has one of the funniest accents you'll ever hear after his time in Norway and Belgium. It sounds like someone from Newfoundland after about 8 beers.
And he has a roundabout named after him outside the Fullers brewery
:005:
Quote from: JoeS on July 07, 2021, 03:22:37 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 07, 2021, 03:08:53 PM
The more I read about Horvath the more I like this signing. Good backup who could step in for Rodak if needed. Free as well, if we can do more like this Id be very happy.
Agreed, we haven't used the free transfer market well for several seasons now. It's a great way to build your squad 1) early and 2) financially well. He should be able to push Rodak on and be able to step in if needed.
He's a quality, American keeper as well all things considered, and if we're good at any position on the pitch, it's in goal.
Some American commentators have said that Horvath, although he was not the first choice keeper at Club Brugge this past season, was in fact the better keeper at the club... this coming from some soccer coaches. He also performed outstanding in one game against Mexico this summer, which has some people calling for him to start over for the USMNT over Zac Steffen the #2 at Man City. He has better feet movement than Steffen apparently. All that said... he doesn't come across as a strong character and I could see him being eaten alive by the pressure in England. He's a nice guy and is a talented keeper, but he's a quiet, nice guy type. That said Petr Cech was similarly a quiet, nice guy type. Thibaut Courtois as well... who Horvath reminds me of the most out of the big club keepers.
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https://the72.co.uk/241481/fulham-interested-in-watford-midfielder-will-hughes/
Wouldn't be against this depending on the finances involved.
Very good player and would be a great but unlikely signing.
When I used to play Football Manager I bought him as a teenager and he turned into one of the best players in the world so I don't think he has quite lived up to that potential.
The Sun quote Newcastle as in for Hughes with £12 mill bid
Liverpool interested in signing Anguissa according to the Liverpool Echo.
Ethan Horvath has made 7 appearances in all competitions for Club Brugge over the last two seasons. Club Brugge first choice keeper Simon Mignolet made 90 appearances in the same period. Transfermarkt value Horvath at £1.2M.
Quote from: Tabby on July 08, 2021, 02:15:04 PM
Liverpool interested in signing Anguissa according to the Liverpool Echo.
After the sh1t they pulled with Harvey Elliott, we need to pull their pants down if this is true!
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on July 07, 2021, 02:52:11 PM
After those latest financial reports we need players out the door before anyone comes in
Centre backs need sorting, there can't be space for Mawson, Kongola, Tosin, Hector and Ream.
The new managers needs to aim at the two best players for each position plus a couple of utility players and a couple of youngsters.
Cash 14m, Lewis 15m, Walker-Peters 12m, Doherty 15m
I would expect prices to be done slightly this summer so around 15m is probably decent money for Robinson
Former Fulham player Denis Adeniran has left Everton to go Shefff Wed. They signed him from us for £4m and hes gone on a free.
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on July 07, 2021, 02:52:11 PM
After those latest financial reports we need players out the door before anyone comes in
We had to delay Hector deal until Sess funds were cleared - and we never really recovered from there either.
We definitely have to sell some.
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Quote from: Tabby on July 08, 2021, 02:15:04 PM
Liverpool interested in signing Anguissa according to the Liverpool Echo.
After the sh1t they pulled with Harvey Elliott, we need to pull their pants down if this is true!
Definitely a Liverpool kind of player and yes they need to pay a fair price, ideally we at least get back what we paid. They spent very little last season, so should have the money.
I can see us cashing in on Anguissa and Robinson. Not sure about Mitro, but he'd be a huge loss at this level. If we could somehow offload Seri's wages, I suspect that'd be a help too.
Think Mitro might be back if what I've been told is true, move to Besiktas broke down due to wage demands. Heard he could be training soon
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on July 12, 2021, 04:49:22 PM
Think Mitro might be back if what I've been told is true, move to Besiktas broke down due to wage demands. Heard he could be training soon
This is what I've heard too. Besiktas now signing Diego Costa On a free instead. Fulham would not let Mitro go unless Besiktas covered his full wage which they cannot do
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 12, 2021, 05:58:42 PM
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on July 12, 2021, 04:49:22 PM
Think Mitro might be back if what I've been told is true, move to Besiktas broke down due to wage demands. Heard he could be training soon
This is what I've heard too. Besiktas now signing Diego Costa On a free instead. Fulham would not let Mitro go unless Besiktas covered his full wage which they cannot do
Surely Costa is on more than MItro, his last deal with Atletico was rumoured to be 250k per week?
Rumour form during last season is that MItro has (and still has i do not know) a transfer request on the table. Only speculation as i have said before as i do not have any onside info
I've watch the USA vs Mexico match in it's entirety 4 times. I'd love to see Horvath on the Whites. Came into the match cold and helped save our bacon in a tough situation.
I'm sure Dempsey said something to him (Dempsey was in the announcing booth during the game). Robinson and Ream also probably whispered in his ear.
Quote from: junior white on July 12, 2021, 06:08:37 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 12, 2021, 05:58:42 PM
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on July 12, 2021, 04:49:22 PM
Think Mitro might be back if what I've been told is true, move to Besiktas broke down due to wage demands. Heard he could be training soon
This is what I've heard too. Besiktas now signing Diego Costa On a free instead. Fulham would not let Mitro go unless Besiktas covered his full wage which they cannot do
Surely Costa is on more than MItro, his last deal with Atletico was rumoured to be 250k per week?
Rumour form during last season is that MItro has (and still has i do not know) a transfer request on the table. Only speculation as i have said before as i do not have any onside info
But fulham also need a 5/6 million pound fee to cover amortisation. Mitro is on 80k a week, which is 4 million a year. I've seen that Costa is willing to sign for Besiktas for 2.5 million a year
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 12, 2021, 07:43:45 PM
Quote from: junior white on July 12, 2021, 06:08:37 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 12, 2021, 05:58:42 PM
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on July 12, 2021, 04:49:22 PM
Think Mitro might be back if what I've been told is true, move to Besiktas broke down due to wage demands. Heard he could be training soon
This is what I've heard too. Besiktas now signing Diego Costa On a free instead. Fulham would not let Mitro go unless Besiktas covered his full wage which they cannot do
Surely Costa is on more than MItro, his last deal with Atletico was rumoured to be 250k per week?
Rumour form during last season is that MItro has (and still has i do not know) a transfer request on the table. Only speculation as i have said before as i do not have any onside info
But fulham also need a 5/6 million pound fee to cover amortisation. Mitro is on 80k a week, which is 4 million a year. I've seen that Costa is willing to sign for Besiktas for 2.5 million a year
We got a million fee for seri last season I believe that would not have covered the amortisation, so not sure we would look too or be able to cover that. Problem with relegation is that some see clubs as desperate to reduce costs, now i dont know our finances but of thats the case ( I hope it isn't) then we could be forced to accept less in order to recoup some funds against this.
I also cannot see Costa only costing that, maybe salary but there will be a hefty signing fee and maybe yearly loyalty fee, to compensate the lower monthly salary
Don't get me wrong I hope it is correct as keeping Mitro could turn out to be a good move. Hopefully he wants to stay
Seri wouldn't have made the squad last season whereas Mitro would be a key player if he stays. Which might explain the difference in policy.
Quote from: Tabby on July 12, 2021, 09:54:32 PM
Seri wouldn't have made the squad last season whereas Mitro would be a key player if he stays. Which might explain the difference in policy.
Your probably right, but if you "have" to cover amortisation then you don't allow them to go cheap.I would think given it was stated last year by TK in a video update around transfer deadline day, that we were very tight on FFP that we would have wanted to cover amortisation or as much as possible.
I fear we are tight this year so do we need to cover it all or as much as we can. Obviously I am hoping we are not tight on FFP and that Mitro stays
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on July 12, 2021, 07:04:16 PM
I've watch the USA vs Mexico match in it's entirety 4 times. I'd love to see Horvath on the Whites. Came into the match cold and helped save our bacon in a tough situation.
I'm sure Dempsey said something to him (Dempsey was in the announcing booth during the game). Robinson and Ream also probably whispered in his ear.
Sounds encouraging. I haven't really watched the US men's team for quite a few years due to their absence in the last World Cup. Any outfield players we should be looking at? Would be great to find the next McBride.
Quote from: Tabby on July 12, 2021, 09:54:32 PM
Seri wouldn't have made the squad last season whereas Mitro would be a key player if he stays. Which might explain the difference in policy.
That's not exactly true. We could have done with Seri or Johansen in the 25-man squad to begin the season in place of one of the 10-11 defenders.
I am wondering who is dealing with transfer matters. We are lead to believe TK has stepped back or is he still involved. We have no D of Scouting. What involvement has Silva got. Is Ali Mac involved. Not heard anything from him in ages. Is Shaid now directly involved. Lots of questions but no answers from the Club.
Quote from: grandad on July 13, 2021, 09:09:19 AM
I am wondering who is dealing with transfer matters. We are lead to believe TK has stepped back or is he still involved. We have no D of Scouting. What involvement has Silva got. Is Ali Mac involved. Not heard anything from him in ages. Is Shaid now directly involved. Lots of questions but no answers from the Club.
Agreed. The communication on important matters from the club is virtually non-existent.
Obviously, I don't expect to know our transfer dealings, but some loose guidance on club structure and who's responsible for what would be nice.
I'm in favour of Seri starting with a clean slate if he wants to stay. Thinking back to the Hodgson years our squad was made up of players that had fallen out of favour at their previous club and were seemingly past their best.
I am fed up with the various sports media sites assuming that Robinson & Zambo will be leaving. We do not need to sell these 2 as we need a strong squad with what will be a long season. We have to also be aware of a massive increase in Covid infections. This has the potential of decimating a squad with self isolations or worse. We need sufficient cover plus some key signings. The Club should make it clear that no one is for sale unless they are surplus to requirements.
Quote from: grandad on July 13, 2021, 10:19:49 AM
I am fed up with the various sports media sites assuming that Robinson & Zambo will be leaving. We do not need to sell these 2 as we need a strong squad with what will be a long season. We have to also be aware of a massive increase in Covid infections. This has the potential of decimating a squad with self isolations or worse. We need sufficient cover plus some key signings. The Club should make it clear that no one is for sale unless they are surplus to requirements.
I would think that we have what we regard as an acceptable fee for each player.
With regards to not having to sell players, as long as it's a sale that doesn't affect our FFP negatively, one or two may need to be sold to keep as out of FFP trouble.
I'm not expecting much cash to be splashed by FFC. Probably a number of loan signings to be made.
Surprised that there has not been more rumours about players currently in portugal; a couple of random names that would be interesting Rodrigo Battaglia and Rafael Camacho
young american striker on the move... Josh Sargent will almost certainly leave the relegated (and broke) W Bremen this summer, i like the look of him.
Mama Baldé is leaving Dijon, used to play for Sporting...would be a great signing.
Quote from: We Are Premier League on July 13, 2021, 02:55:16 PM
Mama Baldé is leaving Dijon, used to play for Sporting...would be a great signing.
Just watched his highlights - looks exciting (given editing of course). Transfermkt gives a €4.5m valuation & describes him as right winger right back or centre forward - quite a reach :003:
1 in 4 goal ratio from the wing is very good...would think Silva would have come across him before...
What about Bernard from Everton? Played under Silva before and can't see too many games in starting 11 under Benitez
Quote from: Moltobueno on July 13, 2021, 03:43:56 PM
What about Bernard from Everton? Played under Silva before and can't see too many games in starting 11 under Benitez
Think he's on more than £100k a week there.
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https://twitter.com/nffc/status/1415057682680188930
Quote from: Jimsbeerbelly on July 13, 2021, 10:39:06 PM
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https://twitter.com/nffc/status/1415057682680188930
I'm gonna assume we couldn't guarantee him number 1
Quote from: Jimsbeerbelly on July 13, 2021, 10:39:06 PM
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https://twitter.com/nffc/status/1415057682680188930
That's not great news, or expected...
Looks like we'll have Fabri for another season. I feel sorry for him tbh.
Agent must have tried to use Fulham in negotiating a deal with Nottm Forest. Lol.
Quote from: Barrett487 on July 13, 2021, 11:05:03 PM
Quote from: Jimsbeerbelly on July 13, 2021, 10:39:06 PM
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https://twitter.com/nffc/status/1415057682680188930
That's not great news, or expected...
Looks like we'll have Fabri for another season. I feel sorry for him tbh.
I did notice in the training video, one of the youngsters was with rodak not fabri
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 13, 2021, 11:04:02 PM
Quote from: Jimsbeerbelly on July 13, 2021, 10:39:06 PM
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https://twitter.com/nffc/status/1415057682680188930
I'm gonna assume we couldn't guarantee him number 1
Or the rumour we were in for him could just have been completely false. Which most of them are.
:005: As proven with Silva joining, unless it's a "big" name we won't know about it until it's announced officially.
Quote from: Barrett487 on July 13, 2021, 11:05:03 PM
Quote from: Jimsbeerbelly on July 13, 2021, 10:39:06 PM
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https://twitter.com/nffc/status/1415057682680188930
That's not great news, or expected...
Looks like we'll have Fabri for another season. I feel sorry for him tbh.
I'm not that fussed, Rodak is a great keeper and keeper's don't normally get lots of injuries. I'm sure Fabri is fine at this level. If Horvath wanted guaranteed playing time it's not worth it.
Maybe we should give Fabri a chance again anyway? Rodale deserves the spot but wouldnt be mad at Fabri in the cup and or if Rodak struggles or gets injured.
Was a top keeper prior to signing with us and the poor sod had to line up in the premiership behind the likes of Ream, Odoi, Mawson,Christie
Quote from: bobby01 on July 14, 2021, 05:29:00 AM
I did notice in the training video, one of the youngsters was with rodak not fabri
That was Luca Ashby-Hammond, one of England's top prospects. Saves and scores penalties!
George Wickens, another age group International, has also been featured in photos. As has Fabri, so we are reasonably covered for keepers.
We are being linked with Swansea captain Matt Grimes, us and Bournemouth chasing him apparently
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 14, 2021, 11:52:26 AM
We are being linked with Swansea captain Matt Grimes, us and Bournemouth chasing him apparently
Is Grimes Parkerball or Silvaball? [emoji848]
Quote from: jayffc on July 14, 2021, 10:47:38 AM
Maybe we should give Fabri a chance again anyway? Rodale deserves the spot but wouldnt be mad at Fabri in the cup and or if Rodak struggles or gets injured.
Was a top keeper prior to signing with us and the poor sod had to line up in the premiership behind the likes of Ream, Odoi, Mawson,Christie
Fabri is a decent GK but he is only 184 cm which will always be a liability in the Championship.
Quote from: Blawarmy on July 14, 2021, 11:57:29 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 14, 2021, 11:52:26 AM
We are being linked with Swansea captain Matt Grimes, us and Bournemouth chasing him apparently
Is Grimes Parkerball or Silvaball? [emoji848]
We need a midfielder who can score goals - a Silva machine - Grimes doesn't get very many ( decent player but don't think it's what we need )
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on July 14, 2021, 01:12:13 PM
Quote from: jayffc on July 14, 2021, 10:47:38 AM
Maybe we should give Fabri a chance again anyway? Rodale deserves the spot but wouldnt be mad at Fabri in the cup and or if Rodak struggles or gets injured.
Was a top keeper prior to signing with us and the poor sod had to line up in the premiership behind the likes of Ream, Odoi, Mawson,Christie
Fabri is a decent GK but he is only 184 cm which will always be a liability in the Championship.
Didn't stop Pickford from saving a penalty against one of the best takers in the world. if you're good enough, you're good enough.
Quote from: HV71 on July 14, 2021, 01:59:44 PM
Quote from: Blawarmy on July 14, 2021, 11:57:29 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 14, 2021, 11:52:26 AM
We are being linked with Swansea captain Matt Grimes, us and Bournemouth chasing him apparently
Is Grimes Parkerball or Silvaball? [emoji848]
We need a midfielder who can score goals - a Silva machine - Grimes doesn't get very many ( decent player but don't think it's what we need )
Not many goals? So he's definitely a parkerballer then.
12 goals in 262 appearances - probably sports a decent cardigan as well
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on July 14, 2021, 01:12:13 PM
Quote from: jayffc on July 14, 2021, 10:47:38 AM
Maybe we should give Fabri a chance again anyway? Rodale deserves the spot but wouldnt be mad at Fabri in the cup and or if Rodak struggles or gets injured.
Was a top keeper prior to signing with us and the poor sod had to line up in the premiership behind the likes of Ream, Odoi, Mawson,Christie
Fabri is a decent GK but he is only 184 cm which will always be a liability in the Championship.
A 6 foot tall Goalkeeper is not ideal in the rough and tumble of the Championship. Can he command his area, does he have a presence in the penalty area.
He may make up for it in other ways but 6 feet goalkeeper means he has to be exceptional in other areas.
I remember Ron Springett was 5ft 11ins but he was a very exceptional goalkeeper.
I would have thought defenders would prefere a big lump who can catch the ball at its highest point rather than leave it to them to clear their lines whereupon it comes straight back to put them under unnecessarily pressure.
Plus it is not as though Fabri can take a step ladder into the six yard box to help him.
I do not think that is allowed at any level.
Didn't a very young Jordan Pickford play in the Championship?
Quote from: HV71 on July 14, 2021, 02:54:47 PM
12 goals in 262 appearances - probably sports a decent cardigan as well
He's a defensive/CM
scored more in his career than Anguissa! Ha
That's not what he's there for form my understanding. Makes me think Reed or Frank will certainly be off then. Although suppose he could be to replace Lemina
Quote from: jayffc on July 15, 2021, 12:47:43 AM
Quote from: HV71 on July 14, 2021, 02:54:47 PM
12 goals in 262 appearances - probably sports a decent cardigan as well
He's a defensive/CM
scored more in his career than Anguissa! Ha
That's not what he's there for form my understanding. Makes me think Reed or Frank will certainly be off then. Although suppose he could be to replace Lemina
I couldn't care less if Anguissa goes. Take the money I say and reinvest in the squad. He didn't want to play in the championship last time and why would that be different this time? However, we must keep hold of Harrison Reed. Arguably should have been player of the season for us last season. I know Areola won it and was very good but I don't like the idea of giving it to a loan player.
Quote from: Jules on July 15, 2021, 06:43:53 AM
I couldn't care less if Anguissa goes. Take the money I say and reinvest in the squad. He didn't want to play in the championship last time and why would that be different this time? However, we must keep hold of Harrison Reed. Arguably should have been player of the season for us last season. I know Areola won it and was very good but I don't like the idea of giving it to a loan player.
I don't recall Anguissa ever saying last time he didn't want to play in the Championship. Just as likely is a) Parker preferred to bring in both Reed and Arter for squad depth instead of relying on just Anguissa, and b) Tony Khan wanted Anguissa to prove himself in La Liga, so TK could sell him if we failed to get promoted for a good price.
Have you ever heard that Anguissa didn't want to play in the Championship? or just guessing that was the reason?
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 15, 2021, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: Jules on July 15, 2021, 06:43:53 AM
I couldn't care less if Anguissa goes. Take the money I say and reinvest in the squad. He didn't want to play in the championship last time and why would that be different this time? However, we must keep hold of Harrison Reed. Arguably should have been player of the season for us last season. I know Areola won it and was very good but I don't like the idea of giving it to a loan player.
I don't recall Anguissa ever saying last time he didn't want to play in the Championship. Just as likely is a) Parker preferred to bring in both Reed and Arter for squad depth instead of keeping Anguissa, and b) Tony Khan want Anguissa to prove himself in Ligue Un so if we didn't get promoted he could sell him above his book value to make a profit.
Have you ever heard that Anguissa didn't want to play in the Championship? or just guessing that was the reason?
I do wonder if it's true that such as him and Seri 'didn't want to play' in the Champ.
Could be to do with not thinking they were suitable, or adding numbers to the squad, as you said, or TK wanting him in the shop window to ensure a profit as you also say, or agents.
I think it was always assumed that Ruiz didn't want to play in the Champ, when he didn't feature under Magath, but fot whatever reason he never left the club, and actually did play a number of Champ games under Symonds.
I expect loaning high earners out has everything to do with FFP. Mawson, Anguissa, Seri, MLM, will all be on big money. If we can afford to keep our big players they COULD be like buying a premier ready player which is what many of us want is it not. I know, I know, Mawson needs to stay fit and MLM and Seri have not demonstrated their worth so far, but you get my drift.
Quote from: Statto on July 14, 2021, 08:26:28 AM
Or the rumour, we were in for him could just have been completely false. Which most of them are.
Most of the rumours of offers are true, but meaningless because they won't result in a sale. The problem is that an "undisclosed offer to buy" can be so far from the "actual price that the club is willing to sell" that it makes the rumours meaningless. I remember watching "Sunderland til I Die" and written on a board is a list of offers including Scott McTominay, seems like a real offer with 0% chance of being accepted. I hear that agents get so many offers on players, that some players don't ever keep track of them all. Unless, the player is checking out the training facilitates, agreeing on personal terms or getting a fittest test it doesn't mean much, except a bit of discussions.
Quote from: FulhamStu on July 15, 2021, 09:25:25 AM
I expect loaning high earners out has everything to do with FFP. Mawson, Anguissa, Seri, MLM, will all be on big money. If we can afford to keep our big players they COULD be like buying a premier ready player which is what many of us want is it not. I know, I know, Mawson needs to stay fit and MLM and Seri have not demonstrated their worth so far, but you get my drift.
Well said, many of the players with four-year contracts (MLM, Mawson, and Seri) have not demonstrated their worth so far, but their time here is not yet over. The best example of a player that hadn't demonstrated his worth was Kebano, because, until lockdown, he hadn't justified his price, but his last three games in his contract with two semi-final goals covered the cost 10x.
Quote from: jayffc on July 15, 2021, 12:47:43 AM
That's not what he's there for form my understanding. Makes me think Reed or Frank will certainly be off then. Although suppose he could be to replace Lemina
The last picture of Reed training was over 10 days ago, nowhere to be seen the last few vids/images. There's been rumours of Palace sniffing around for him which would be an odd move IMO. If he is off, then I'd be straight back after Lemina who really impressed me for the main part last season- rumoured to be available for £4m.
Quote from: Jim© on July 15, 2021, 10:35:35 AM
Quote from: jayffc on July 15, 2021, 12:47:43 AM
That's not what he's there for form my understanding. Makes me think Reed or Frank will certainly be off then. Although suppose he could be to replace Lemina
The last picture of Reed training was over 10 days ago, nowhere to be seen the last few vids/images. There's been rumours of Palace sniffing around for him which would be an odd move IMO. If he is off, then I'd be straight back after Lemina who really impressed me for the main part last season- rumoured to be available for £4m.
He was in the video they put out on Sunday so is still at Motspur. Given he does have an injury history it is entirely plausible he's either got a niggle early on or they're just managing his workload differently to ensure that he's fit at the start of the season
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on July 15, 2021, 12:29:54 AM
Didn't a very young Jordan Pickford play in the Championship?
I remember him playing for Preston at the Cottage and he was outstanding that day.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 15, 2021, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: Jules on July 15, 2021, 06:43:53 AM
I couldn't care less if Anguissa goes. Take the money I say and reinvest in the squad. He didn't want to play in the championship last time and why would that be different this time? However, we must keep hold of Harrison Reed. Arguably should have been player of the season for us last season. I know Areola won it and was very good but I don't like the idea of giving it to a loan player.
I don't recall Anguissa ever saying last time he didn't want to play in the Championship. Just as likely is a) Parker preferred to bring in both Reed and Arter for squad depth instead of relying on just Anguissa, and b) Tony Khan wanted Anguissa to prove himself in La Liga, so TK could sell him if we failed to get promoted for a good price.
Have you ever heard that Anguissa didn't want to play in the Championship? or just guessing that was the reason?
It's what I read, and of course you cannot always rely on that. So ok I accept that it's just hearsay and we will see if he starts for us against Middlesbrough. I think of the assets we have though, he could bring in some cash that we could reinvest, and I see Harrison Reed as more important to us. We would miss him more if he left is my point.
I cannot see us doing any business in the next 5-7 days, i say this as surely Silva is still evaluating the squad first hand. I know he did a presentation in his interview about players etc but that would have been from what he had seen on video and from maybe his teams playing against us, that is different to seeing them in the flesh every day on the training pitch and looking at attitudes and ways that they work.
So in my opinion i cant see anything in the next week.
Quote from: junior white on July 15, 2021, 12:16:37 PM
I cannot see us doing any business in the next 5-7 days, i say this as surely Silva is still evaluating the squad first hand. I know he did a presentation in his interview about players etc but that would have been from what he had seen on video and from maybe his teams playing against us, that is different to seeing them in the flesh every day on the training pitch and looking at attitudes and ways that they work.
So in my opinion i cant see anything in the next week.
I believe he said he was gonna take the next 8-10 days to evaluate the squad in his first interview which is sensible. Might well be deals waiting on his go ahead like StefJo to QPR etc
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Newcastle target Boubacar Kamara, 21, has turned down a new contract with French side Marseille. The Magpies would look to bring the France U21s midfielder to St James' Park for around £15m.
Any chance of a switcheroo for Aboubakar Kamara for £15m?
Something of a positive, in my opinion, is that Stuart Gray remains in situ as one of Marco Silva's assistants. Must be a real asset to the Club as a whole that he remains & surely has valid input into MS's squad evaluation. That said, elated that Boa has joined the coaching staff!
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 15, 2021, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: Jules on July 15, 2021, 06:43:53 AM
I couldn't care less if Anguissa goes. Take the money I say and reinvest in the squad. He didn't want to play in the championship last time and why would that be different this time? However, we must keep hold of Harrison Reed. Arguably should have been player of the season for us last season. I know Areola won it and was very good but I don't like the idea of giving it to a loan player.
I don't recall Anguissa ever saying last time he didn't want to play in the Championship. Just as likely is a) Parker preferred to bring in both Reed and Arter for squad depth instead of relying on just Anguissa, and b) Tony Khan wanted Anguissa to prove himself in La Liga, so TK could sell him if we failed to get promoted for a good price.
Have you ever heard that Anguissa didn't want to play in the Championship? or just guessing that was the reason?
Even a recluse with his eyes shut and his fingers in his ears living in a cave on Mars could tell by Anguissas body language he didn't want to be anywhere near the championship let alone Fulham. As for your chum TK he wasted a lot of his fathers money on Zambo which was nowhere near his true valuation, another classic error of judgement, so please explain how is he going to get his fathers money back.
Are people genuinely basing transfer rumours on players not being in any pictures on the website?
I know we're in strange times, but come on lads.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 15, 2021, 04:46:45 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 15, 2021, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: Jules on July 15, 2021, 06:43:53 AM
I couldn't care less if Anguissa goes. Take the money I say and reinvest in the squad. He didn't want to play in the championship last time and why would that be different this time? However, we must keep hold of Harrison Reed. Arguably should have been player of the season for us last season. I know Areola won it and was very good but I don't like the idea of giving it to a loan player.
I don't recall Anguissa ever saying last time he didn't want to play in the Championship. Just as likely is a) Parker preferred to bring in both Reed and Arter for squad depth instead of relying on just Anguissa, and b) Tony Khan wanted Anguissa to prove himself in La Liga, so TK could sell him if we failed to get promoted for a good price.
Have you ever heard that Anguissa didn't want to play in the Championship? or just guessing that was the reason?
Even a recluse with his eyes shut and his fingers in his ears living in a cave on Mars could tell by Anguissas body language he didn't want to be anywhere near the championship let alone Fulham. As for your chum TK he wasted a lot of his fathers money on Zambo which was nowhere near his true valuation, another classic error of judgement, so please explain how is he going to get his fathers money back.
Not sure we have wasted that much money on Zambo. He is probably worth close'ish to what we paid for him (22m on transfermarkt), he has played most of the games since he joined and we may even have received a loan fee for when he was away in spain.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on July 15, 2021, 04:54:31 PM
Are people genuinely basing transfer rumours on players not being in any pictures on the website?
I know we're in strange times, but come on lads.
This thread is always active. A lack of actual rumors will lead those so inclined to self-stimulation of the cranium.
Quote from: BarryP on July 15, 2021, 07:10:40 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on July 15, 2021, 04:54:31 PM
Are people genuinely basing transfer rumours on players not being in any pictures on the website?
I know we're in strange times, but come on lads.
This thread is always active. A lack of actual rumors will lead those so inclined to self-stimulation of the cranium.
In the picture issued today focusing on the younger players, if you look closely at the third one, the one featuring Jay Stansfield, you can see, at the extreme r/h edge an elbow. I am confident this is Harrison Reed's - and very fit it looks. I only hope the rest of him hasn't been transferred.
On a marginally more serious note. There seems a fair amount of agreement that we should not feature Cairney and Seri in the same side; is it also thought that we should avoid the idea of featuring Reed and StefJo in tandem?
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Quote from: BarryP on July 15, 2021, 07:10:40 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on July 15, 2021, 04:54:31 PM
Are people genuinely basing transfer rumours on players not being in any pictures on the website?
I know we're in strange times, but come on lads.
This thread is always active. A lack of actual rumors will lead those so inclined to self-stimulation of the cranium.
In the picture issued today focusing on the younger players, if you look closely at the third one, the one featuring Jay Stansfield, you can see, at the extreme r/h edge an elbow. I am confident this is Harrison Reed's - and very fit it looks. I only hope the rest of him hasn't been transferred.
On a marginally more serious note. There seems a fair amount of agreement that we should not feature Cairney and Seri in the same side; is it also thought that we should avoid the idea of featuring Reed and StefJo in tandem?
No I think Reed and Stef could play together, Reed more defensive whereas Johansen is more box to box
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 15, 2021, 04:46:45 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 15, 2021, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: Jules on July 15, 2021, 06:43:53 AM
I couldn't care less if Anguissa goes. Take the money I say and reinvest in the squad. He didn't want to play in the championship last time and why would that be different this time? However, we must keep hold of Harrison Reed. Arguably should have been player of the season for us last season. I know Areola won it and was very good but I don't like the idea of giving it to a loan player.
I don't recall Anguissa ever saying last time he didn't want to play in the Championship. Just as likely is a) Parker preferred to bring in both Reed and Arter for squad depth instead of relying on just Anguissa, and b) Tony Khan wanted Anguissa to prove himself in La Liga, so TK could sell him if we failed to get promoted for a good price.
Have you ever heard that Anguissa didn't want to play in the Championship? or just guessing that was the reason?
Even a recluse with his eyes shut and his fingers in his ears living in a cave on Mars could tell by Anguissas body language he didn't want to be anywhere near the championship let alone Fulham. As for your chum TK he wasted a lot of his fathers money on Zambo which was nowhere near his true valuation, another classic error of judgement, so please explain how is he going to get his fathers money back.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 15, 2021, 04:46:45 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 15, 2021, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: Jules on July 15, 2021, 06:43:53 AM
I couldn't care less if Anguissa goes. Take the money I say and reinvest in the squad. He didn't want to play in the championship last time and why would that be different this time? However, we must keep hold of Harrison Reed. Arguably should have been player of the season for us last season. I know Areola won it and was very good but I don't like the idea of giving it to a loan player.
I don't recall Anguissa ever saying last time he didn't want to play in the Championship. Just as likely is a) Parker preferred to bring in both Reed and Arter for squad depth instead of relying on just Anguissa, and b) Tony Khan wanted Anguissa to prove himself in La Liga, so TK could sell him if we failed to get promoted for a good price.
Have you ever heard that Anguissa didn't want to play in the Championship? or just guessing that was the reason?
Even a recluse with his eyes shut and his fingers in his ears living in a cave on Mars could tell by Anguissas body language he didn't want to be anywhere near the championship let alone Fulham. As for your chum TK he wasted a lot of his fathers money on Zambo which was nowhere near his true valuation, another classic error of judgement, so please explain how is he going to get his fathers money back.
My Woolly friend,
How can one judge his body language with his eyes shut
I'm sure Marco has done his home work and will be putting his arm around each player, in private.'
and discussing their potential with the club, or not.
He will also be massaging the players he may want to keep, like Mitro, Reed, Mitro, Ak, Ango Seri, Johanson ?
and suitable younguns
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Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 15, 2021, 04:46:45 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 15, 2021, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: Jules on July 15, 2021, 06:43:53 AM
I couldn't care less if Anguissa goes. Take the money I say and reinvest in the squad. He didn't want to play in the championship last time and why would that be different this time? However, we must keep hold of Harrison Reed. Arguably should have been player of the season for us last season. I know Areola won it and was very good but I don't like the idea of giving it to a loan player.
I don't recall Anguissa ever saying last time he didn't want to play in the Championship. Just as likely is a) Parker preferred to bring in both Reed and Arter for squad depth instead of relying on just Anguissa, and b) Tony Khan wanted Anguissa to prove himself in La Liga, so TK could sell him if we failed to get promoted for a good price.
Have you ever heard that Anguissa didn't want to play in the Championship? or just guessing that was the reason?
Even a recluse with his eyes shut and his fingers in his ears living in a cave on Mars could tell by Anguissas body language he didn't want to be anywhere near the championship let alone Fulham. As for your chum TK he wasted a lot of his fathers money on Zambo which was nowhere near his true valuation, another classic error of judgement, so please explain how is he going to get his fathers money back.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 15, 2021, 04:46:45 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 15, 2021, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: Jules on July 15, 2021, 06:43:53 AM
I couldn't care less if Anguissa goes. Take the money I say and reinvest in the squad. He didn't want to play in the championship last time and why would that be different this time? However, we must keep hold of Harrison Reed. Arguably should have been player of the season for us last season. I know Areola won it and was very good but I don't like the idea of giving it to a loan player.
I don't recall Anguissa ever saying last time he didn't want to play in the Championship. Just as likely is a) Parker preferred to bring in both Reed and Arter for squad depth instead of relying on just Anguissa, and b) Tony Khan wanted Anguissa to prove himself in La Liga, so TK could sell him if we failed to get promoted for a good price.
Have you ever heard that Anguissa didn't want to play in the Championship? or just guessing that was the reason?
Even a recluse with his eyes shut and his fingers in his ears living in a cave on Mars could tell by Anguissas body language he didn't want to be anywhere near the championship let alone Fulham. As for your chum TK he wasted a lot of his fathers money on Zambo which was nowhere near his true valuation, another classic error of judgement, so please explain how is he going to get his fathers money back.
My Woolly friend,
How can one judge his body language with his eyes shut
Roger, Did you ever see that film "Eyes Wide Shut" Featuring Tom Cruise.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 15, 2021, 09:14:57 PM
Quote from: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on July 15, 2021, 08:08:47 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 15, 2021, 04:46:45 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 15, 2021, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: Jules on July 15, 2021, 06:43:53 AM
I couldn't care less if Anguissa goes. Take the money I say and reinvest in the squad. He didn't want to play in the championship last time and why would that be different this time? However, we must keep hold of Harrison Reed. Arguably should have been player of the season for us last season. I know Areola won it and was very good but I don't like the idea of giving it to a loan player.
I don't recall Anguissa ever saying last time he didn't want to play in the Championship. Just as likely is a) Parker preferred to bring in both Reed and Arter for squad depth instead of relying on just Anguissa, and b) Tony Khan wanted Anguissa to prove himself in La Liga, so TK could sell him if we failed to get promoted for a good price.
Have you ever heard that Anguissa didn't want to play in the Championship? or just guessing that was the reason?
Even a recluse with his eyes shut and his fingers in his ears living in a cave on Mars could tell by Anguissas body language he didn't want to be anywhere near the championship let alone Fulham. As for your chum TK he wasted a lot of his fathers money on Zambo which was nowhere near his true valuation, another classic error of judgement, so please explain how is he going to get his fathers money back.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 15, 2021, 04:46:45 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 15, 2021, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: Jules on July 15, 2021, 06:43:53 AM
I couldn't care less if Anguissa goes. Take the money I say and reinvest in the squad. He didn't want to play in the championship last time and why would that be different this time? However, we must keep hold of Harrison Reed. Arguably should have been player of the season for us last season. I know Areola won it and was very good but I don't like the idea of giving it to a loan player.
I don't recall Anguissa ever saying last time he didn't want to play in the Championship. Just as likely is a) Parker preferred to bring in both Reed and Arter for squad depth instead of relying on just Anguissa, and b) Tony Khan wanted Anguissa to prove himself in La Liga, so TK could sell him if we failed to get promoted for a good price.
Have you ever heard that Anguissa didn't want to play in the Championship? or just guessing that was the reason?
Even a recluse with his eyes shut and his fingers in his ears living in a cave on Mars could tell by Anguissas body language he didn't want to be anywhere near the championship let alone Fulham. As for your chum TK he wasted a lot of his fathers money on Zambo which was nowhere near his true valuation, another classic error of judgement, so please explain how is he going to get his fathers money back.
My Woolly friend,
How can one judge his body language with his eyes shut
Roger, Did you ever see that film "Eyes Wide Shut" Featuring Tom Cruise.
I haven't old chap but just read a little bit about it and hate to say that AK is not a blind piano player.
But he could be "key" to our promotion
Everton will listen to offers on 6 1st team players. Perhaps Silva will look to his old club to see if any would suit us.
Absolutely no link and has been injured ALOT - I wonder if he could make something of Besic on a free. Particularly if we lose Reed
Quote from: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on July 15, 2021, 10:10:29 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 15, 2021, 09:14:57 PM
Quote from: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on July 15, 2021, 08:08:47 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 15, 2021, 04:46:45 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 15, 2021, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: Jules on July 15, 2021, 06:43:53 AM
I couldn't care less if Anguissa goes. Take the money I say and reinvest in the squad. He didn't want to play in the championship last time and why would that be different this time? However, we must keep hold of Harrison Reed. Arguably should have been player of the season for us last season. I know Areola won it and was very good but I don't like the idea of giving it to a loan player.
I don't recall Anguissa ever saying last time he didn't want to play in the Championship. Just as likely is a) Parker preferred to bring in both Reed and Arter for squad depth instead of relying on just Anguissa, and b) Tony Khan wanted Anguissa to prove himself in La Liga, so TK could sell him if we failed to get promoted for a good price.
Have you ever heard that Anguissa didn't want to play in the Championship? or just guessing that was the reason?
Even a recluse with his eyes shut and his fingers in his ears living in a cave on Mars could tell by Anguissas body language he didn't want to be anywhere near the championship let alone Fulham. As for your chum TK he wasted a lot of his fathers money on Zambo which was nowhere near his true valuation, another classic error of judgement, so please explain how is he going to get his fathers money back.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 15, 2021, 04:46:45 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 15, 2021, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: Jules on July 15, 2021, 06:43:53 AM
I couldn't care less if Anguissa goes. Take the money I say and reinvest in the squad. He didn't want to play in the championship last time and why would that be different this time? However, we must keep hold of Harrison Reed. Arguably should have been player of the season for us last season. I know Areola won it and was very good but I don't like the idea of giving it to a loan player.
I don't recall Anguissa ever saying last time he didn't want to play in the Championship. Just as likely is a) Parker preferred to bring in both Reed and Arter for squad depth instead of relying on just Anguissa, and b) Tony Khan wanted Anguissa to prove himself in La Liga, so TK could sell him if we failed to get promoted for a good price.
Have you ever heard that Anguissa didn't want to play in the Championship? or just guessing that was the reason?
Even a recluse with his eyes shut and his fingers in his ears living in a cave on Mars could tell by Anguissas body language he didn't want to be anywhere near the championship let alone Fulham. As for your chum TK he wasted a lot of his fathers money on Zambo which was nowhere near his true valuation, another classic error of judgement, so please explain how is he going to get his fathers money back.
My Woolly friend,
How can one judge his body language with his eyes shut
Roger, Did you ever see that film "Eyes Wide Shut" Featuring Tom Cruise.
I haven't old chap but just read a little bit about it and hate to say that AK is not a blind piano player.
But he could be "key" to our promotion
To be a Key you have to find the right padlock to unlock.
Which reminds me, do you remember Johnny Key back in the 60s.
Ike Ugbo a young Chelsea striker being linked with us.
Quote from: Riversider on July 16, 2021, 09:30:45 PM
Ike Ugbo a young Chelsea striker being linked with us.
Apparently he's going to Genk
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 16, 2021, 10:04:44 PM
Quote from: Riversider on July 16, 2021, 09:30:45 PM
Ike Ugbo a young Chelsea striker being linked with us.
Apparently he's going to Genk
Guys, come on. You're interrupting the mammoth-Roger cupcaking session
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Quote from: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on July 15, 2021, 10:10:29 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 15, 2021, 09:14:57 PM
Quote from: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on July 15, 2021, 08:08:47 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 15, 2021, 04:46:45 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 15, 2021, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: Jules on July 15, 2021, 06:43:53 AM
I couldn't care less if Anguissa goes. Take the money I say and reinvest in the squad. He didn't want to play in the championship last time and why would that be different this time? However, we must keep hold of Harrison Reed. Arguably should have been player of the season for us last season. I know Areola won it and was very good but I don't like the idea of giving it to a loan player.
I don't recall Anguissa ever saying last time he didn't want to play in the Championship. Just as likely is a) Parker preferred to bring in both Reed and Arter for squad depth instead of relying on just Anguissa, and b) Tony Khan wanted Anguissa to prove himself in La Liga, so TK could sell him if we failed to get promoted for a good price.
Have you ever heard that Anguissa didn't want to play in the Championship? or just guessing that was the reason?
Even a recluse with his eyes shut and his fingers in his ears living in a cave on Mars could tell by Anguissas body language he didn't want to be anywhere near the championship let alone Fulham. As for your chum TK he wasted a lot of his fathers money on Zambo which was nowhere near his true valuation, another classic error of judgement, so please explain how is he going to get his fathers money back.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 15, 2021, 04:46:45 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 15, 2021, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: Jules on July 15, 2021, 06:43:53 AM
I couldn't care less if Anguissa goes. Take the money I say and reinvest in the squad. He didn't want to play in the championship last time and why would that be different this time? However, we must keep hold of Harrison Reed. Arguably should have been player of the season for us last season. I know Areola won it and was very good but I don't like the idea of giving it to a loan player.
I don't recall Anguissa ever saying last time he didn't want to play in the Championship. Just as likely is a) Parker preferred to bring in both Reed and Arter for squad depth instead of relying on just Anguissa, and b) Tony Khan wanted Anguissa to prove himself in La Liga, so TK could sell him if we failed to get promoted for a good price.
Have you ever heard that Anguissa didn't want to play in the Championship? or just guessing that was the reason?
Even a recluse with his eyes shut and his fingers in his ears living in a cave on Mars could tell by Anguissas body language he didn't want to be anywhere near the championship let alone Fulham. As for your chum TK he wasted a lot of his fathers money on Zambo which was nowhere near his true valuation, another classic error of judgement, so please explain how is he going to get his fathers money back.
My Woolly friend,
How can one judge his body language with his eyes shut
Roger, Did you ever see that film "Eyes Wide Shut" Featuring Tom Cruise.
I haven't old chap but just read a little bit about it and hate to say that AK is not a blind piano player.
But he could be "key" to our promotion
To be a Key you have to find the right padlock to unlock.
Which reminds me, do you remember Johnny Key back in the 60s.
I do but only Just :0)
Quote from: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on July 17, 2021, 02:02:35 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 16, 2021, 03:42:56 PM
Quote from: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on July 15, 2021, 10:10:29 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 15, 2021, 09:14:57 PM
Quote from: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on July 15, 2021, 08:08:47 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 15, 2021, 04:46:45 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 15, 2021, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: Jules on July 15, 2021, 06:43:53 AM
I couldn't care less if Anguissa goes. Take the money I say and reinvest in the squad. He didn't want to play in the championship last time and why would that be different this time? However, we must keep hold of Harrison Reed. Arguably should have been player of the season for us last season. I know Areola won it and was very good but I don't like the idea of giving it to a loan player.
I don't recall Anguissa ever saying last time he didn't want to play in the Championship. Just as likely is a) Parker preferred to bring in both Reed and Arter for squad depth instead of relying on just Anguissa, and b) Tony Khan wanted Anguissa to prove himself in La Liga, so TK could sell him if we failed to get promoted for a good price.
Have you ever heard that Anguissa didn't want to play in the Championship? or just guessing that was the reason?
Even a recluse with his eyes shut and his fingers in his ears living in a cave on Mars could tell by Anguissas body language he didn't want to be anywhere near the championship let alone Fulham. As for your chum TK he wasted a lot of his fathers money on Zambo which was nowhere near his true valuation, another classic error of judgement, so please explain how is he going to get his fathers money back.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 15, 2021, 04:46:45 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 15, 2021, 09:14:49 AM
Quote from: Jules on July 15, 2021, 06:43:53 AM
I couldn't care less if Anguissa goes. Take the money I say and reinvest in the squad. He didn't want to play in the championship last time and why would that be different this time? However, we must keep hold of Harrison Reed. Arguably should have been player of the season for us last season. I know Areola won it and was very good but I don't like the idea of giving it to a loan player.
I don't recall Anguissa ever saying last time he didn't want to play in the Championship. Just as likely is a) Parker preferred to bring in both Reed and Arter for squad depth instead of relying on just Anguissa, and b) Tony Khan wanted Anguissa to prove himself in La Liga, so TK could sell him if we failed to get promoted for a good price.
Have you ever heard that Anguissa didn't want to play in the Championship? or just guessing that was the reason?
Even a recluse with his eyes shut and his fingers in his ears living in a cave on Mars could tell by Anguissas body language he didn't want to be anywhere near the championship let alone Fulham. As for your chum TK he wasted a lot of his fathers money on Zambo which was nowhere near his true valuation, another classic error of judgement, so please explain how is he going to get his fathers money back.
My Woolly friend,
How can one judge his body language with his eyes shut
Roger, Did you ever see that film "Eyes Wide Shut" Featuring Tom Cruise.
I haven't old chap but just read a little bit about it and hate to say that AK is not a blind piano player.
But he could be "key" to our promotion
To be a Key you have to find the right padlock to unlock.
Which reminds me, do you remember Johnny Key back in the 60s.
I do but only Just :0)
Can you please do some research and gather as much information on him as possible as I shall be asking questions about him later, many thanks.
Don't you think it's amazing that all the news that happens in the world every day always seems to fit exactly into a newspaper. Although none of them so far have reported a definate genuine Fulham transfer that is coming in for sure.
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/07/fulham-linked-with-manchester-city-youngster/
Fulham are one of ten Championship clubs keen to take Manchester City midfielder Tommy Doyle on loan this season, according to reports this afternoon.
The Whites join the likes of Sheffield United, West Brom, Bournemouth, Swansea City, Middlesbrough, QPR, Coventry City, Cardiff and Blackburn Rovers in a long line of suitors for the creative midfielder, who starred as City's under 23s claimed the Premier League 2 title last season. The teenager has made seven senior appearances for Pep Guardiola's side after being handed his debut in a League Cup win over Southampton in 2019.
Doyle made his Premier League bow in July 2020 when he replaced Riyad Mahrez in a 5-0 victory over Newcastle. The 19 year-old is highly rated by the City coaching staff and extended his contract until the summer of 2025 last year. The club have yet to decide whether to loan Doyle out to continue his development – and a call may not be made until early August.
Interesting player, Doyle. Although I wouldn't be too keen on loans this season.
He was captain of the England u19 and u20 sides that included our own Luca Ashby-Hammond and Sonny Hilton.
Be interesting to see if Hilton's come on this year. He's just come back from loan at a Finnish 2nd tier outfit (they play until the end of June). Seems he held down a first team spot but, otherwise, I've seen no reports.
It is probable that we will lose one or two of our key players from say Mitro, Anguissa, Stefjo, Cairney and and Robinson. The worst scenario is that they play together at Fulham for the first three or four matches and then are snatched away late in the window leaving the team in disarray and without replacements.
Quote from: filham on July 17, 2021, 08:41:45 PM
It is probable that we will lose one or two of our key players from say Mitro, Anguissa, Stefjo, Cairney and and Robinson. The worst scenario is that they play together at Fulham for the first three or four matches and then are snatched away late in the window leaving the team in disarray and without replacements.
Go on. If you try really hard, I'm sure you can think of a much worse scenario. I mean, you've not even factored asteroid collision into the equation.
Or, even more horrific, we retain all the valuable players, strengthen the squad and everything goes swimmingly well as we record triumph after triumph, leaving absolutely sfa to moan about.
Apparently we are leading the race for Harry Wilson
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 19, 2021, 12:31:30 PM
Apparently we are leading the race for Harry Wilson
Would be a very good signing.
If he joins though, unless Silva plans to play him out wide, that might spell the end for TC here...
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Quote from: Craven Mad on July 19, 2021, 01:15:53 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 19, 2021, 12:31:30 PM
Apparently we are leading the race for Harry Wilson
Would be a very good signing.
If he joins though, unless Silva plans to play him out wide, that might spell the end for TC here...
Saw an article today, stating that Sheff United have turned their attention to Conor Hourihame as TC is not for sale at any price
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 19, 2021, 01:17:06 PM
:023:Quote from: Craven Mad on July 19, 2021, 01:15:53 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 19, 2021, 12:31:30 PM
Apparently we are leading the race for Harry Wilson
Would be a very good signing.
If he joins though, unless Silva plans to play him out wide, that might spell the end for TC here...
Saw an article today, stating that Sheff United have turned their attention to Conor Hourihame as TC is not for sale at any price
Well that'd be good with me - I love TC and think he was a big miss for us last year. No doubt that Wilson would represent a good move for us though, Tom aside. Hope we pull it off.
Quote from: Craven Mad on July 19, 2021, 01:22:41 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 19, 2021, 01:17:06 PM
:023:Quote from: Craven Mad on July 19, 2021, 01:15:53 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 19, 2021, 12:31:30 PM
Apparently we are leading the race for Harry Wilson
Would be a very good signing.
If he joins though, unless Silva plans to play him out wide, that might spell the end for TC here...
Saw an article today, stating that Sheff United have turned their attention to Conor Hourihame as TC is not for sale at any price
Well that'd be good with me - I love TC and think he was a big miss for us last year. No doubt that Wilson would represent a good move for us though, Tom aside. Hope we pull it off.
46 League games + Cups we'll need both of them.
Quote from: JimOG on July 19, 2021, 01:32:21 PM
Quote from: Craven Mad on July 19, 2021, 01:22:41 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 19, 2021, 01:17:06 PM
:023:Quote from: Craven Mad on July 19, 2021, 01:15:53 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 19, 2021, 12:31:30 PM
Apparently we are leading the race for Harry Wilson
Would be a very good signing.
If he joins though, unless Silva plans to play him out wide, that might spell the end for TC here...
Saw an article today, stating that Sheff United have turned their attention to Conor Hourihame as TC is not for sale at any price
Well that'd be good with me - I love TC and think he was a big miss for us last year. No doubt that Wilson would represent a good move for us though, Tom aside. Hope we pull it off.
46 League games + Cups we'll need both of them.
Especially with TC's dodgy knee
Wilson plays on the wing doesn't he? Not the quickest but a terrific player.
Personally think Harry Wilson would be a great fit. Great record in the championship, only 24 and gives us some much needed quality & competition in the wide positions.
Quote from: Craven Mad on July 19, 2021, 01:22:41 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 19, 2021, 01:17:06 PM
:023:Quote from: Craven Mad on July 19, 2021, 01:15:53 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 19, 2021, 12:31:30 PM
Apparently we are leading the race for Harry Wilson
Would be a very good signing.
If he joins though, unless Silva plans to play him out wide, that might spell the end for TC here...
Saw an article today, stating that Sheff United have turned their attention to Conor Hourihame as TC is not for sale at any price
Well that'd be good with me - I love TC and think he was a big miss for us last year. No doubt that Wilson would represent a good move for us though, Tom aside. Hope we pull it off.
Yes to Harry Wilson. Ideal player for us and the type of creativity and talent we should be going after.
Quote from: Tom_FFC on July 19, 2021, 02:49:28 PM
Personally think Harry Wilson would be a great fit. Great record in the championship, only 24 and gives us some much needed quality & competition in the wide positions.
He's a good player but seems to play mostly as an inverted winger. :010:
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 19, 2021, 01:37:55 PM
Quote from: JimOG on July 19, 2021, 01:32:21 PM
Quote from: Craven Mad on July 19, 2021, 01:22:41 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 19, 2021, 01:17:06 PM
:023:Quote from: Craven Mad on July 19, 2021, 01:15:53 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 19, 2021, 12:31:30 PM
Apparently we are leading the race for Harry Wilson
Would be a very good signing.
If he joins though, unless Silva plans to play him out wide, that might spell the end for TC here...
Saw an article today, stating that Sheff United have turned their attention to Conor Hourihame as TC is not for sale at any price
Well that'd be good with me - I love TC and think he was a big miss for us last year. No doubt that Wilson would represent a good move for us though, Tom aside. Hope we pull it off.
46 League games + Cups we'll need both of them.
Especially with TC's dodgy knee
So that will be 48 games then
Quote from: bencher on July 19, 2021, 03:46:47 PM
Quote from: Tom_FFC on July 19, 2021, 02:49:28 PM
Personally think Harry Wilson would be a great fit. Great record in the championship, only 24 and gives us some much needed quality & competition in the wide positions.
He's a good player but seems to play mostly as an inverted winger. :010:
Yes, he is basically a Knockaert that knows how to take a shot
Quote from: We Are Premier League on July 19, 2021, 04:49:09 PM
Quote from: bencher on July 19, 2021, 03:46:47 PM
Quote from: Tom_FFC on July 19, 2021, 02:49:28 PM
Personally think Harry Wilson would be a great fit. Great record in the championship, only 24 and gives us some much needed quality & competition in the wide positions.
He's a good player but seems to play mostly as an inverted winger. :010:
Yes, he is basically a Knockaert that knows how to take a shot
Yes, and will return us 10-15 goals in a season and several assists.
"So that will be 48 games then"
More than likely.
Quote from: bencher on July 19, 2021, 03:46:47 PM
Quote from: Tom_FFC on July 19, 2021, 02:49:28 PM
Personally think Harry Wilson would be a great fit. Great record in the championship, only 24 and gives us some much needed quality & competition in the wide positions.
He's a good player but seems to play mostly as an inverted winger. :010:
Nout wrong with that IF we have an overlapping full back who he doesnt mind passing to that can get to the byline!
Quote from: Jules on July 19, 2021, 06:57:57 PM
Quote from: We Are Premier League on July 19, 2021, 04:49:09 PM
Quote from: bencher on July 19, 2021, 03:46:47 PM
Quote from: Tom_FFC on July 19, 2021, 02:49:28 PM
Personally think Harry Wilson would be a great fit. Great record in the championship, only 24 and gives us some much needed quality & competition in the wide positions.
He's a good player but seems to play mostly as an inverted winger. :010:
Yes, he is basically a Knockaert that knows how to take a shot
Yes, and will return us 10-15 goals in a season and several assists.
6 goals 12 assists in an average Cardiff team last year. Would have in theory better players around him here so possible I suppose!
Quote from: jayffc on July 19, 2021, 11:33:24 PM
Quote from: Jules on July 19, 2021, 06:57:57 PM
Quote from: We Are Premier League on July 19, 2021, 04:49:09 PM
Quote from: bencher on July 19, 2021, 03:46:47 PM
Quote from: Tom_FFC on July 19, 2021, 02:49:28 PM
Personally think Harry Wilson would be a great fit. Great record in the championship, only 24 and gives us some much needed quality & competition in the wide positions.
He's a good player but seems to play mostly as an inverted winger. :010:
Yes, he is basically a Knockaert that knows how to take a shot
Yes, and will return us 10-15 goals in a season and several assists.
6 goals 12 assists in an average Cardiff team last year. Would have in theory better players around him here so possible I suppose!
Also imagine the service Mitro would get with Tete, Bryan and Wilson all pinging crosses into him. 40 goal season here we go!
Harry Wilson could provide service from the right side of the field and from dead ball situations. Perfect.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 19, 2021, 11:56:17 PM
Harry Wilson could provide service from the right side of the field and from dead ball situations. Perfect.
I think we're missing a dead ball specialist at the club. Too many times last season we were alternating (with little success) through takers; Cav, Aina, BDR, Lookman, Reed were all fairly poor. I think it could add quite a lot to us.
If the likes of Zambo, Seri and Johansen do end up leaving, Jason Knight from Derby and Lewis Baker (cheap) could be interesting alternatives to fill the gaps.
Just seen this from TurkishFootballNews on twitter (no idea how credible that is):
#Fenerbahce has started loan negotiations with #Fulham player #AlexandrMitrovic. Fulham requests 4 million euro for 1 year loan
Bit worrying..
Quote from: JEEVES on July 21, 2021, 12:17:52 PM
Just seen this from TurkishFootballNews on twitter (no idea how credible that is):
#Fenerbahce has started loan negotiations with #Fulham player #AlexandrMitrovic. Fulham requests 4 million euro for 1 year loan
Bit worrying..
Agree about it being worrying. Could mean some serious dealings with other strikers is taking place behind the scenes.
Quote from: JEEVES on July 21, 2021, 12:17:52 PM
Just seen this from TurkishFootballNews on twitter (no idea how credible that is):
#Fenerbahce has started loan negotiations with #Fulham player #AlexandrMitrovic. Fulham requests 4 million euro for 1 year loan
Bit worrying..
I just don't know why we'd loan him out. I think it's got to be a sell or stay outcome. We can't replace someone like Mitro in the loan market. At least I don't think we can....
Mitro took a holiday in Turkey so now every third rate Turkish rumour mill will be linking him to one of Besiktas / Gala / Fenerbahce all summer
He's back in training, is settled here, the manager he fell out with is gone and the club have been plastering photos of him over social media. Not going anywhere unless someone like Palace get interested
ANDY CARROLL is on a free transfer now. Also, why did we allow all those loanees to leave? I am looking at Areola in particular, but many others Fulham can pay far higher wages than they can earn for their feeder club.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on July 21, 2021, 01:48:48 PM
ANDY CARROLL is on a free transfer now. Also, why did we allow all those loanees to leave? I am looking at Areola in particular, but many others Fulham can pay far higher wages than they can earn for their feeder club.
Areola reportedly off to west ham last I checked too.... Pain
Quote from: Nick Bateman on July 21, 2021, 01:48:48 PM
ANDY CARROLL is on a free transfer now. Also, why did we allow all those loanees to leave? I am looking at Areola in particular, but many others Fulham can pay far higher wages than they can earn for their feeder club.
Andy Carroll's injury record is comparable to Mawson and Kongolo. On a pay as a you play deal, it could be interesting, but otherwise no. The loanees are all looking for top flight football, perhaps with the exception of Maja. If we could get him, I reckon Lookman could do some damage in this division though.
Quote from: Statto on July 21, 2021, 01:36:19 PM
Mitro took a holiday in Turkey so now every third rate Turkish rumour mill will be linking him to one of Besiktas / Gala / Fenerbahce all summer
He's back in training, is settled here, the manager he fell out with is gone and the club have been plastering photos of him over social media. Not going anywhere unless someone like Palace get interested
Is he now settled, do we know that for sure. What worries me was the rumours he put in a transfer request at the start of last season and in December (just rumours that were on the internet, probably not true but who knows) and if he did has that request been withdrawn as seen no rumours anywhere about that. Only rumours other than the transfer request I have seen was linking him to a Turkish club, but as you say he went on holiday there.
One thing is for sure we need him firing and committed with no requests hanging around or anything like that, or we need to off load and adequately replace him.
I've been told Mitro is going knowhere. He has had good talks with Silva and is willing to stay currently
No way should we loan Mitro out. If he wants to go, then sell him for no less than £25m. However, we should try our best to keep him.
The Blue Poo are after Betts as 3rd choice GK. He would have been better to sign a new contract with us & fight it out with Rodak for 1st choice.
Look man started well then he was hopeless,he would do us a lot of damage. Bets would get better money with the filth as 3rd goalkeeper ,we offered a lot less than his original contract to be number 2 behind Rodak .
Quote from: MickTheBeard on July 21, 2021, 03:23:29 PM
Look man started well then he was hopeless,he would do us a lot of damage. Bets would get better money with the filth as 3rd goalkeeper ,we offered a lot less than his original contract to be number 2 behind Rodak .
Betts wanted game time. He might get it with their U 23´s as an over age player. It´s not all about money. Professional pride has to come into the equation.
Quote from: grandad on July 21, 2021, 04:04:42 PM
Quote from: MickTheBeard on July 21, 2021, 03:23:29 PM
Look man started well then he was hopeless,he would do us a lot of damage. Bets would get better money with the filth as 3rd goalkeeper ,we offered a lot less than his original contract to be number 2 behind Rodak .
Betts wanted game time. He might get it with their U 23´s as an over age player. It´s not all about money. Professional pride has to come into the equation.
I would be the same if I was him
Not everyone wants to be a bench warmer
Quote from: grandad on July 21, 2021, 04:04:42 PM
Quote from: MickTheBeard on July 21, 2021, 03:23:29 PM
Look man started well then he was hopeless,he would do us a lot of damage. Bets would get better money with the filth as 3rd goalkeeper ,we offered a lot less than his original contract to be number 2 behind Rodak .
Betts wanted game time. He might get it with their U 23´s as an over age player. It´s not all about money. Professional pride has to come into the equation.
Think of it this way. What is more exciting; 2nd GK in the Championship or third GK in a club that is hoping to win european titles?
Swansea journalist just tweeted saying Grimes to Fulham is almost done....Swansea fans seem to think it's happening too...make of that what you will
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 21, 2021, 04:37:42 PM
Swansea journalist just tweeted saying Grimes to Fulham is almost done....Swansea fans seem to think it's happening too...make of that what you will
Would suggest a Seri sale or loan
Quote from: jayffc on July 21, 2021, 04:59:39 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 21, 2021, 04:37:42 PM
Swansea journalist just tweeted saying Grimes to Fulham is almost done....Swansea fans seem to think it's happening too...make of that what you will
Would suggest a Seri sale or loan
No more likely suggesting Stef Jo is off to QPR if true
Quote from: JEEVES on July 21, 2021, 12:17:52 PM
Just seen this from TurkishFootballNews on twitter (no idea how credible that is):
#Fenerbahce has started loan negotiations with #Fulham player #AlexandrMitrovic. Fulham requests 4 million euro for 1 year loan
Bit worrying..
Hopefully they any his salary as well if this is true or if it comes to fruition
Quote from: junior white on July 21, 2021, 02:00:23 PM
Quote from: Statto on July 21, 2021, 01:36:19 PM
Mitro took a holiday in Turkey so now every third rate Turkish rumour mill will be linking him to one of Besiktas / Gala / Fenerbahce all summer
He's back in training, is settled here, the manager he fell out with is gone and the club have been plastering photos of him over social media. Not going anywhere unless someone like Palace get interested
Is he now settled, do we know that for sure. What worries me was the rumours he put in a transfer request at the start of last season and in December (just rumours that were on the internet, probably not true but who knows) and if he did has that request been withdrawn as seen no rumours anywhere about that. Only rumours other than the transfer request I have seen was linking him to a Turkish club, but as you say he went on holiday there.
One thing is for sure we need him firing and committed with no requests hanging around or anything like that, or we need to off load and adequately replace him.
In fairness I was using "settled" in the broad sense that he's been living here with his family for several years now. Wouldn't rule out him fancying a move still but the Turkish stories just wreak of BS IMO. They coincide with him going on holiday there, say we were close to agreeing a loan fee which I find hard to believe when the PR team were making a big deal of him coming back to training, and if he's genuinely unhappy despite the managerial change (ie he just doesn't like Fulham anymore) then a loan (ie temporary deal) doesn't really seem like a good solution for any party.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on July 21, 2021, 01:48:48 PM
ANDY CARROLL is on a free transfer now.
Andy Carroll! I'm glad people have not lost their sense of humour on here.
A 32 year old violent drunk with the body of a 45 year old and an injury record that sounds like the report on a Jumbo jet crash. One time reasonable striker who has, unfortunately for a striker, forgotten how to score goals.
On a free, but the bill for a new treatment table plus the bail money would be astronomical.
Quote from: cmg on July 21, 2021, 05:30:10 PM
Quote from: Nick Bateman on July 21, 2021, 01:48:48 PM
ANDY CARROLL is on a free transfer now.
Andy Carroll! I'm glad people have not lost their sense of humour on here.
A 32 year old violent drunk with the body of a 45 year old and an injury record that sounds like the report on a Jumbo jet crash. One time reasonable striker who has, unfortunately for a striker, forgotten how to score goals.
On a free, but the bill for a new treatment table plus the bail money would be astronomical.
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Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 21, 2021, 04:37:42 PM
Swansea journalist just tweeted saying Grimes to Fulham is almost done....Swansea fans seem to think it's happening too...make of that what you will
I'm no expert on Grimes but from a few minutes of Youtube he seems like Tom Cairney, but with less pace (!) and less of a goal threat. Very one footed, but stylish and a penchant for attempting Paul Scholes type passes. I don't really see where he fits in unless the club are banking on Cairney being on the treatment table regularly (not a bad bet). He doesn't strike me as like for like with SJ as he seems to player deeper, less box to box. Obviously we have lost KMac and perhaps expect to lose Seri and Frank so there may be a case for him providing decent first 11 competition in central midfield. Anyhow, I would not have thought it was the area on the pitch we would be recruiting first.
Quote from: Statto on July 21, 2021, 05:21:14 PM
Quote from: junior white on July 21, 2021, 02:00:23 PM
Quote from: Statto on July 21, 2021, 01:36:19 PM
Mitro took a holiday in Turkey so now every third rate Turkish rumour mill will be linking him to one of Besiktas / Gala / Fenerbahce all summer
He's back in training, is settled here, the manager he fell out with is gone and the club have been plastering photos of him over social media. Not going anywhere unless someone like Palace get interested
Is he now settled, do we know that for sure. What worries me was the rumours he put in a transfer request at the start of last season and in December (just rumours that were on the internet, probably not true but who knows) and if he did has that request been withdrawn as seen no rumours anywhere about that. Only rumours other than the transfer request I have seen was linking him to a Turkish club, but as you say he went on holiday there.
One thing is for sure we need him firing and committed with no requests hanging around or anything like that, or we need to off load and adequately replace him.
In fairness I was using "settled" in the broad sense that he's been living here with his family for several years now. Wouldn't rule out him fancying a move still but the Turkish stories just wreak of BS IMO. They coincide with him going on holiday there, say we were close to agreeing a loan fee which I find hard to believe when the PR team were making a big deal of him coming back to training, and if he's genuinely unhappy despite the managerial change (ie he just doesn't like Fulham anymore) then a loan (ie temporary deal) doesn't really seem like a good solution for any party.
I agree with you 100%
We would also promote how happy he is to increase the price as getting a happy player costs more, but a good agent would always be able to beat that down a little
Quote from: bencher on July 21, 2021, 06:07:51 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 21, 2021, 04:37:42 PM
Swansea journalist just tweeted saying Grimes to Fulham is almost done....Swansea fans seem to think it's happening too...make of that what you will
I'm no expert on Grimes but from a few minutes of Youtube he seems like Tom Cairney, but with less pace (!) and less of a goal threat. Very one footed, but stylish and a penchant for attempting Paul Scholes type passes. I don't really see where he fits in unless the club are banking on Cairney being on the treatment table regularly (not a bad bet). He doesn't strike me as like for like with SJ as he seems to player deeper, less box to box. Obviously we have lost KMac and perhaps expect to lose Seri and Frank so there may be a case for him providing decent first 11 competition in central midfield. Anyhow, I would not have thought it was the area on the pitch we would be recruiting first.
Grimes is more of a defensive/deeper midfielder
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 21, 2021, 06:15:20 PM
Quote from: bencher on July 21, 2021, 06:07:51 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 21, 2021, 04:37:42 PM
Swansea journalist just tweeted saying Grimes to Fulham is almost done....Swansea fans seem to think it's happening too...make of that what you will
I'm no expert on Grimes but from a few minutes of Youtube he seems like Tom Cairney, but with less pace (!) and less of a goal threat. Very one footed, but stylish and a penchant for attempting Paul Scholes type passes. I don't really see where he fits in unless the club are banking on Cairney being on the treatment table regularly (not a bad bet). He doesn't strike me as like for like with SJ as he seems to player deeper, less box to box. Obviously we have lost KMac and perhaps expect to lose Seri and Frank so there may be a case for him providing decent first 11 competition in central midfield. Anyhow, I would not have thought it was the area on the pitch we would be recruiting first.
Grimes is more of a defensive/deeper midfielder
He looks alot like Oliver Norwood to me, would that be fair?
Quote from: We Are Premier League on July 21, 2021, 04:18:09 PM
Quote from: grandad on July 21, 2021, 04:04:42 PM
Quote from: MickTheBeard on July 21, 2021, 03:23:29 PM
Look man started well then he was hopeless,he would do us a lot of damage. Bets would get better money with the filth as 3rd goalkeeper ,we offered a lot less than his original contract to be number 2 behind Rodak .
Betts wanted game time. He might get it with their U 23´s as an over age player. It´s not all about money. Professional pride has to come into the equation.
Think of it this way. What is more exciting; 2nd GK in the Championship or third GK in a club that is hoping to win european titles?
Not just hoping to win - current Champions League holders!
If Grimes comes in, does that mean Reed is out?
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 21, 2021, 06:42:43 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 21, 2021, 06:15:20 PM
Quote from: bencher on July 21, 2021, 06:07:51 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 21, 2021, 04:37:42 PM
Swansea journalist just tweeted saying Grimes to Fulham is almost done....Swansea fans seem to think it's happening too...make of that what you will
I'm no expert on Grimes but from a few minutes of Youtube he seems like Tom Cairney, but with less pace (!) and less of a goal threat. Very one footed, but stylish and a penchant for attempting Paul Scholes type passes. I don't really see where he fits in unless the club are banking on Cairney being on the treatment table regularly (not a bad bet). He doesn't strike me as like for like with SJ as he seems to player deeper, less box to box. Obviously we have lost KMac and perhaps expect to lose Seri and Frank so there may be a case for him providing decent first 11 competition in central midfield. Anyhow, I would not have thought it was the area on the pitch we would be recruiting first.
Grimes is more of a defensive/deeper midfielder
He looks alot like Oliver Norwood to me, would that be fair?
Yes I would agree
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 21, 2021, 07:11:47 PM
If Grimes comes in, does that mean Reed is out?
Highly doubt it, no one will pay 20 mill+ for Reed
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 21, 2021, 07:16:00 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 21, 2021, 07:11:47 PM
If Grimes comes in, does that mean Reed is out?
Highly doubt it, no one will pay 20 mill+ for Reed
Personally dont think we would get that much if he were for sale which i dont think he is
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 21, 2021, 02:41:08 PM
I've been told Mitro is going knowhere. He has had good talks with Silva and is willing to stay currently
Is this inside info?
Quote from: junior white on July 21, 2021, 07:34:32 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 21, 2021, 02:41:08 PM
I've been told Mitro is going knowhere. He has had good talks with Silva and is willing to stay currently
Is this inside info?
Please, let's not start this again!
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 21, 2021, 04:37:42 PM
Swansea journalist just tweeted saying Grimes to Fulham is almost done....Swansea fans seem to think it's happening too...make of that what you will
Who is the journalist?
Quote from: Hugh Gentry on July 21, 2021, 07:53:18 PM
Quote from: junior white on July 21, 2021, 07:34:32 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 21, 2021, 02:41:08 PM
I've been told Mitro is going knowhere. He has had good talks with Silva and is willing to stay currently
Is this inside info?
Please, let's not start this again!
I wasnt i was asking as i was interested and if you look back i supported him and said at the time sometimes things go awry.
So just curious, Jesus
Quote from: junior white on July 21, 2021, 08:22:34 PM
Quote from: Hugh Gentry on July 21, 2021, 07:53:18 PM
Quote from: junior white on July 21, 2021, 07:34:32 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 21, 2021, 02:41:08 PM
I've been told Mitro is going knowhere. He has had good talks with Silva and is willing to stay currently
Is this inside info?
Please, let's not start this again!
I wasnt i was asking as i was interested and if you look back i supported him and said at the time sometimes things go awry.
So just curious, Jesus
Yes, obviously I'll let you judge it for yourself but I would be surprised if Mitro was to go. Also Stef Jo will more than likely be off to QPR and Matt Grimes more than likely to come in. After what happened last time, I won't say for certain it's definitely going to happen, but that's the info I've been told.
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 21, 2021, 08:29:24 PM
Quote from: junior white on July 21, 2021, 08:22:34 PM
Quote from: Hugh Gentry on July 21, 2021, 07:53:18 PM
Quote from: junior white on July 21, 2021, 07:34:32 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 21, 2021, 02:41:08 PM
I've been told Mitro is going knowhere. He has had good talks with Silva and is willing to stay currently
Is this inside info?
Please, let's not start this again!
I wasnt i was asking as i was interested and if you look back i supported him and said at the time sometimes things go awry.
So just curious, Jesus
Yes, obviously I'll let you judge it for yourself but I would be surprised if Mitro was to go. Also Stef Jo will more than likely be off to QPR and Matt Grimes more than likely to come in. After what happened last time, I won't say for certain it's definitely going to happen, but that's the info I've been told.
Cheers WSW. Does your source know if the rumoured request to leave form Mitro has been rescinded?
My own personal opinion is that he wont go and he will see how things go with Silva
Quote from: junior white on July 21, 2021, 08:33:53 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 21, 2021, 08:29:24 PM
Quote from: junior white on July 21, 2021, 08:22:34 PM
Quote from: Hugh Gentry on July 21, 2021, 07:53:18 PM
Quote from: junior white on July 21, 2021, 07:34:32 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 21, 2021, 02:41:08 PM
I've been told Mitro is going knowhere. He has had good talks with Silva and is willing to stay currently
Is this inside info?
Please, let's not start this again!
I wasnt i was asking as i was interested and if you look back i supported him and said at the time sometimes things go awry.
So just curious, Jesus
Yes, obviously I'll let you judge it for yourself but I would be surprised if Mitro was to go. Also Stef Jo will more than likely be off to QPR and Matt Grimes more than likely to come in. After what happened last time, I won't say for certain it's definitely going to happen, but that's the info I've been told.
Cheers WSW. Does your source know if the rumoured request to leave form Mitro has been rescinded?
My own personal opinion is that he wont go and he will see how things go with Silva
The last I heard Mitro had had positive talks with Silva and is likely to stay now. Also If he was to go Fulham wanted his wages paid in full plus a 4 million loan fee which won't happen. My mate said he'd be surprised if Mitro went anywhere and is open to staying after speaking to Silva
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ANDY CARROLL is on a free transfer now.
Andy Carroll! I'm glad people have not lost their sense of humour on here.
A 32 year old violent drunk with the body of a 45 year old and an injury record that sounds like the report on a Jumbo jet crash. One time reasonable striker who has, unfortunately for a striker, forgotten how to score goals.
On a free, but the bill for a new treatment table plus the bail money would be astronomical.
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Wow, that is all a bit strong but it is hard to remember when last Carol had a good season.
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ANDY CARROLL is on a free transfer now.
Andy Carroll! I'm glad people have not lost their sense of humour on here.
A 32 year old violent drunk with the body of a 45 year old and an injury record that sounds like the report on a Jumbo jet crash. One time reasonable striker who has, unfortunately for a striker, forgotten how to score goals.
On a free, but the bill for a new treatment table plus the bail money would be astronomical.
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Wow, that is all a bit strong but it is hard to remember when last Carol had a good season.
The last time Carol came good was Christmas
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I've been told Mitro is going knowhere. He has had good talks with Silva and is willing to stay currently
Is this inside info?
Please, let's not start this again!
I wasnt i was asking as i was interested and if you look back i supported him and said at the time sometimes things go awry.
So just curious, Jesus
Yes, obviously I'll let you judge it for yourself but I would be surprised if Mitro was to go. Also Stef Jo will more than likely be off to QPR and Matt Grimes more than likely to come in. After what happened last time, I won't say for certain it's definitely going to happen, but that's the info I've been told.
Cheers WSW. Does your source know if the rumoured request to leave form Mitro has been rescinded?
My own personal opinion is that he wont go and he will see how things go with Silva
The last I heard Mitro had had positive talks with Silva and is likely to stay now. Also If he was to go Fulham wanted his wages paid in full plus a 4 million loan fee which won't happen. My mate said he'd be surprised if Mitro went anywhere and is open to staying after speaking to Silva
Any truth re Harry Wilson WSW?
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I've been told Mitro is going knowhere. He has had good talks with Silva and is willing to stay currently
Is this inside info?
Please, let's not start this again!
I wasnt i was asking as i was interested and if you look back i supported him and said at the time sometimes things go awry.
So just curious, Jesus
Yes, obviously I'll let you judge it for yourself but I would be surprised if Mitro was to go. Also Stef Jo will more than likely be off to QPR and Matt Grimes more than likely to come in. After what happened last time, I won't say for certain it's definitely going to happen, but that's the info I've been told.
Cheers WSW. Does your source know if the rumoured request to leave form Mitro has been rescinded?
My own personal opinion is that he wont go and he will see how things go with Silva
The last I heard Mitro had had positive talks with Silva and is likely to stay now. Also If he was to go Fulham wanted his wages paid in full plus a 4 million loan fee which won't happen. My mate said he'd be surprised if Mitro went anywhere and is open to staying after speaking to Silva
Any truth re Harry Wilson WSW?
Yes, was told that was a goer. However will be expensive. Won't be full 15 mill up front but will be a significant chunk of that upfront with the rest paid over 24 months. If he does come in, expect a big money departure. Probably Zambo. Wilson deal still has a lot of work to be done, but the club are hearing positive murmurings from Liverpool regarding the payment plan on offer. Fulham will make a formal offer once they have agreed how it will be paid etc.
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I've been told Mitro is going knowhere. He has had good talks with Silva and is willing to stay currently
Is this inside info?
Please, let's not start this again!
I wasnt i was asking as i was interested and if you look back i supported him and said at the time sometimes things go awry.
So just curious, Jesus
Yes, obviously I'll let you judge it for yourself but I would be surprised if Mitro was to go. Also Stef Jo will more than likely be off to QPR and Matt Grimes more than likely to come in. After what happened last time, I won't say for certain it's definitely going to happen, but that's the info I've been told.
Cheers WSW. Does your source know if the rumoured request to leave form Mitro has been rescinded?
My own personal opinion is that he wont go and he will see how things go with Silva
The last I heard Mitro had had positive talks with Silva and is likely to stay now. Also If he was to go Fulham wanted his wages paid in full plus a 4 million loan fee which won't happen. My mate said he'd be surprised if Mitro went anywhere and is open to staying after speaking to Silva
Any truth re Harry Wilson WSW?
Yes, was told that was a goer. However will be expensive. Won't be full 15 mill up front but will be a significant chunk of that upfront with the rest paid over 24 months. If he does come in, expect a big money departure. Probably Zambo. Wilson deal still has a lot of work to be done, but the club are hearing positive murmurings from Liverpool regarding the payment plan on offer. Fulham will make a formal offer once they have agreed how it will be paid etc.
C'mon WSW you can't still be peddling the notion that you are ITK after the managerial appointment surely ?
I'll tell you what, have a chat with your sources today and let us all know where Boa Morte is and when the next friendly is and who it's against, that should be easy 🤔
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I've been told Mitro is going knowhere. He has had good talks with Silva and is willing to stay currently
Is this inside info?
Please, let's not start this again!
I wasnt i was asking as i was interested and if you look back i supported him and said at the time sometimes things go awry.
So just curious, Jesus
Yes, obviously I'll let you judge it for yourself but I would be surprised if Mitro was to go. Also Stef Jo will more than likely be off to QPR and Matt Grimes more than likely to come in. After what happened last time, I won't say for certain it's definitely going to happen, but that's the info I've been told.
Cheers WSW. Does your source know if the rumoured request to leave form Mitro has been rescinded?
My own personal opinion is that he wont go and he will see how things go with Silva
The last I heard Mitro had had positive talks with Silva and is likely to stay now. Also If he was to go Fulham wanted his wages paid in full plus a 4 million loan fee which won't happen. My mate said he'd be surprised if Mitro went anywhere and is open to staying after speaking to Silva
Any truth re Harry Wilson WSW?
Yes, was told that was a goer. However will be expensive. Won't be full 15 mill up front but will be a significant chunk of that upfront with the rest paid over 24 months. If he does come in, expect a big money departure. Probably Zambo. Wilson deal still has a lot of work to be done, but the club are hearing positive murmurings from Liverpool regarding the payment plan on offer. Fulham will make a formal offer once they have agreed how it will be paid etc.
C'mon WSW you can't still be peddling the notion that you are ITK after the managerial appointment surely ?
I'll tell you what, have a chat with your sources today and let us all know where Boa Morte is and when the next friendly is and who it's against, that should be easy 🤔
I'm passing on the information I'm given. It's down to you to make if it what you will. I'm not claiming to be all knowing. Btw our next friendly is Southampton on Saturday 😉 as for Boa. I have no idea where he js
Bournemouth interested in Michael Hector
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Bournemouth interested in Michael Hector
Well I am certainly not having that after the way he was frozen out by Parker last year. Next we'll be hearing that Parker wants to take Mitrovic over there.
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Bournemouth interested in Michael Hector
Well I am certainly not having that after the way he was frozen out by Parker last year. Next we'll be hearing that Parker wants to take Mitrovic over there.
Yeah I don't believe it. Either that or Parker really is delusional and thinks everyone loves him
Between now and the window deadline the journos will be selecting about two Fulham players a week to feed into the rumour mill as possible Bournmouth signings.
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Between now and the window deadline the journos will be selecting about two Fulham players a week to feed into the rumour mill as possible Bournmouth signings.
This is the classic way clubs have of tapping up players by giving certain journos a bung to start spreading these stories. It unsettles the players whose heads are easily turned.
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Between now and the window deadline the journos will be selecting about two Fulham players a week to feed into the rumour mill as possible Bournmouth signings.
This is the classic way clubs have of tapping up players by giving certain journos a bung to start spreading these stories. It unsettles the players whose heads are easily turned.
Would agree normally, but Bournemouth! Surely not a head Turner?
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Between now and the window deadline the journos will be selecting about two Fulham players a week to feed into the rumour mill as possible Bournmouth signings.
This is the classic way clubs have of tapping up players by giving certain journos a bung to start spreading these stories. It unsettles the players whose heads are easily turned.
Would agree normally, but Bournemouth! Surely not a head Turner?
I will be amazed if he goes to Bournemouth. He fell out with Scott Parker last season after he froze him out, so I would be amazed
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Between now and the window deadline the journos will be selecting about two Fulham players a week to feed into the rumour mill as possible Bournmouth signings.
This is the classic way clubs have of tapping up players by giving certain journos a bung to start spreading these stories. It unsettles the players whose heads are easily turned.
Would agree normally, but Bournemouth! Surely not a head Turner?
Particularly not Bournemouth because SP will have those players phone numbers etc and can call them directly but yes it's a familiar route to destabilising club/players...friendly journo gets odd scoop in return for writing copy like this
Not totally unbelievable.... We have a to many centre half's ( Hector, Kongolo, Tosin, Ream, Mawson) Parker knows Hector and played in a promotion team under Parker.
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Not totally unbelievable.... We have a to many centre half's ( Hector, Kongolo, Tosin, Ream, Mawson) Parker knows Hector and played in a promotion team under Parker.
And he, like Mawson also doesn't like Parker so undoubtedly a case of lazy journalism. They probably can't afford him either so bit of a non-starter because we're not going to sell one of our better CB's to a rival are we?
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Not totally unbelievable.... We have a to many centre half's ( Hector, Kongolo, Tosin, Ream, Mawson) Parker knows Hector and played in a promotion team under Parker.
And he, like Mawson also doesn't like Parker so undoubtedly a case of lazy journalism. They probably can't afford him either so bit of a non-starter because we're not going to sell one of our better CB's to a rival are we?
Exactly, we paid 8 mill for him. I can't see us letting him for any less than 6. Especially to a supposed promotion rival
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And he, like Mawson also doesn't like Parker so undoubtedly a case of lazy journalism.
Where has it been said that Hector doesn't like Parker? Genuinely asking as haven't seen anything myself. Is this a Twitter rumour?
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Bournemouth interested in Michael Hector
Well I am certainly not having that after the way he was frozen out by Parker last year. Next we'll be hearing that Parker wants to take Mitrovic over there.
Agree he was frozen out but would anyone have picked him ahead of Anderson and Tosin?
If he fell out with Parker then there cant be any truth in it.
Given financial fair play and our numerous centre half's I would seriously consider £6 million for Hector from Bournemouth, maybe it's just me 🤷♂️
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Given financial fair play and our numerous centre half's I would seriously consider £6 million for Hector from Bournemouth, maybe it's just me 🤷♂️
i certainly hope it's just you because it would mean we'd actually be relying on kongolo, mawson or ream to play week in, week out. on reflection i'd probably say MLM is the most reliable option after tosin and hector
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Given financial fair play and our numerous centre half's I would seriously consider £6 million for Hector from Bournemouth, maybe it's just me 🤷♂️
i certainly hope it's just you because it would mean we'd actually be relying on kongolo, mawson or ream to play week in, week out. on reflection i'd probably say MLM is the most reliable option after tosin and hector
Agreed - Hector is probably starter/sub choice based on Kongolo & Mawson's recent injury records. If by some miracle Mawson and Kongolo stay fit then they're probably the left sided CB's sorted and he's competing with Tosin for the right CB role with Ream and MLM behind him in overall pecking order. If we have injury issues then he has to start at RCB with Tosin at LCB because at this level that's a very good pairing and we're blessed with having two cb's that could be better than him, albeit very infrequently due to their injury pattern. Would rather get rid of Ream and MLM before we consider Hector because he's objectively better than both of them and also a right sided CB which is oddly something we don't have very many of
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Given financial fair play and our numerous centre half's I would seriously consider £6 million for Hector from Bournemouth, maybe it's just me 🤷♂️
We allegedly paid £8 million for him, think we'd want to recuperate the same if we sold him. Highly doubt this story is true though.
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And he, like Mawson also doesn't like Parker so undoubtedly a case of lazy journalism.
Where has it been said that Hector doesn't like Parker? Genuinely asking as haven't seen anything myself. Is this a Twitter rumour?
He was dropped after we signed Andersen and Tosin.
Hector and Ream were our cb's at the start of the season, and there were high expectations of Hector, after his great performanes in helping us gain promotion, but he looked to be suffering a loss of confidence, and it was speculated that there was some underlying psychological problem.
Don't know where the story that he fell out with Parker came from, or if it's true.
People on here may know more about this.
Mangers have to drop players though, as part of their job, even if fans don't agree, but doesn't mean it's personal though.
Surely, a manager wants the best team possible playing, to get results, whether he likes them as people or not?
The stories about Parker falling out with certain individuals are rumours of course but I've heard too much about it from too many people, too consistently over too long a period, for it not to be true. It's also come from several posters I believe generally are quite close to what's going on, although I won't name them. Also with a couple like Mitrovic and Hector I'd say it's obvious - for them to be fit but not getting picked ahead of Cavaleiro and MLM respectively shows something is awry.
Fulham linked with Tom Trybull on loan from Norwich. Mike McGrath the Telegraph journalist reporting it and he's normally pretty reliable. Sounds like Stef Jo and Zambo will be off of him and Grimes come in
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The stories about Parker falling out with certain individuals are rumours of course but I've heard too much about it from too many people, too consistently over too long a period, for it not to be true. It's also come from several posters I believe generally are quite close to what's going on, although I won't name them. Also with a couple like Mitrovic and Hector I'd say it's obvious - for them to be fit but not getting picked ahead of Cavaleiro and MLM respectively shows something is awry.
The way our results went off the cliff after Liverpool away it seems like there were problems in the dressing room
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The stories about Parker falling out with certain individuals are rumours of course but I've heard too much about it from too many people, too consistently over too long a period, for it not to be true. It's also come from several posters I believe generally are quite close to what's going on, although I won't name them. Also with a couple like Mitrovic and Hector I'd say it's obvious - for them to be fit but not getting picked ahead of Cavaleiro and MLM respectively shows something is awry.
The way our results went off the cliff after Liverpool away it seems like there were problems in the dressing room
2 points from 30! Bournemouth liked what they saw
Grimes and Wilson would be good signings. I was hoping we would be able to keep Frank, and even give Seri a chance under a proper manager, I doubt that's going to happen though sadly.
The squad is incredibly strong regardless, and should easily get automatic unless there is a flood of outgoings. The league this season is very weak
Frank is gonna play a few games for us look great then leave before the deadline. Like dembele the year he left
Trybull would be such an underwhelming signing!
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Trybull would be such an underwhelming signing!
Agreed, although I don't mind him as cover
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Trybull would be such an underwhelming signing!
Agreed, although I don't mind him as cover
I have no opinion on Trybull who I had never heard of before his name was mentioned on here. What I do know is that I will be disappointed if the club offload Anguissa who would boss the Championship.
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Given financial fair play and our numerous centre half's I would seriously consider £6 million for Hector from Bournemouth, maybe it's just me 🤷♂️
Yes, I'd sell him for way less than that as it's one more off the wage bill and a couple of million in our bank. If we go up he wouldn't feature for us anyway. We need to start building a prem ready side which only needs a bit of tweaking. Not a total overhaul again. We all know how that turns out.
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Given financial fair play and our numerous centre half's I would seriously consider £6 million for Hector from Bournemouth, maybe it's just me 🤷♂️
i certainly hope it's just you because it would mean we'd actually be relying on kongolo, mawson or ream to play week in, week out. on reflection i'd probably say MLM is the most reliable option after tosin and hector
No, I agree also. From the CB list, I would get rid of Hector, MLM, Odoi, Ream. None of these are good enough at prem level so why keep them. Keep Kongolo, Mawson and Tosin. I'd be bringing in a quality younger CB with potential on a loan to buy and I'd bring in an older experienced CB on a free or cheap like a Scott Dann type. Would also assess whether Opoku could feature next season as a squad option.
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Grimes and Wilson would be good signings. I was hoping we would be able to keep Frank, and even give Seri a chance under a proper manager, I doubt that's going to happen though sadly.
The squad is incredibly strong regardless, and should easily get automatic unless there is a flood of outgoings. The league this season is very weak
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Would love to read the Headline "Fulham swoop and sign Wilson and Grimes"
No protaced negotiations just bish bash bosh —-sorted
Rodrigo Muniz on loan with an option all over Twitter. Quite random so maybe something in it. 20 year old Brazilian striker for flamingo. Looks a character and scored some amazing goals on his YouTube videos.
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Grimes and Wilson would be good signings. I was hoping we would be able to keep Frank, and even give Seri a chance under a proper manager, I doubt that's going to happen though sadly.
The squad is incredibly strong regardless, and should easily get automatic unless there is a flood of outgoings. The league this season is very weak
I agree with Grimes and Wilson, but it's not a given that we will easily get automatic. There are other teams that could be equally confident - WBA look strong, Sheff U have Slav and will be strong. Bournemouth i hate to say it but should be up there. Cardiff, Middlesbrough and QPR will be no pushovers.
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Rodrigo Muniz on loan with an option all over Twitter. Quite random so maybe something in it. 20 year old Brazilian striker for flamingo. Looks a character and scored some amazing goals on his YouTube videos.
About time that someone that speaks portuguese was linked. Was starting to get worried.
Seems to have been linked with a bevy of teams this summer judging from how many "Welcome to" videos there are.
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Rodrigo Muniz on loan with an option all over Twitter. Quite random so maybe something in it. 20 year old Brazilian striker for flamingo. Looks a character and scored some amazing goals on his YouTube videos.
Knowing absolutely nothing about him, I am all for it.
A 20 year old Brazilian striker, TK really is playing Football Manager and I'm here for it.
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Rodrigo Muniz on loan with an option all over Twitter. Quite random so maybe something in it. 20 year old Brazilian striker for flamingo. Looks a character and scored some amazing goals on his YouTube videos.
Knowing absolutely nothing about him, I am all for it.
A 20 year old Brazilian striker, TK really is playing Football Manager and I'm here for it.
That could be less TK and more Silva considering how he did with Richarlison at Watford.
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Rodrigo Muniz on loan with an option all over Twitter. Quite random so maybe something in it. 20 year old Brazilian striker for flamingo. Looks a character and scored some amazing goals on his YouTube videos.
Knowing absolutely nothing about him, I am all for it.
A 20 year old Brazilian striker, TK really is playing Football Manager and I'm here for it.
To be fair Silva signed Rocharlison from Flamingo, so I fee this might have some legs in it. Seems to random not to have some truth to it. A South American fan replied to my teeet about him saying he's the new Cavani which is positive.
Translated from Twitter.
Fulham formalizes proposal by Rodrigo Muniz: €1 million (about R$6 million) for the loan + €9 million (about R$54 million) in the call option. Flamengo "collects" offers by the player and will analyze which one pleases the most. Al Nasr didn't give up.
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Translated from Twitter.
Fulham formalizes proposal by Rodrigo Muniz: €1 million (about R$6 million) for the loan + €9 million (about R$54 million) in the call option. Flamengo "collects" offers by the player and will analyze which one pleases the most. Al Nasr didn't give up.
20 year old Brazilian forward. Could get excited by that. But would he get a work permit?
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Translated from Twitter.
Fulham formalizes proposal by Rodrigo Muniz: €1 million (about R$6 million) for the loan + €9 million (about R$54 million) in the call option. Flamengo "collects" offers by the player and will analyze which one pleases the most. Al Nasr didn't give up.
20 year old Brazilian forward. Could get excited by that. But would he get a work permit?
It's easier to get work permits from South America now than it is in Europe. In the current climate, there is no way we would've got a work permit for the Abou Kamara deal. Apparently it's easier to get work permits from South America now
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Given financial fair play and our numerous centre half's I would seriously consider £6 million for Hector from Bournemouth, maybe it's just me 🤷♂️
i certainly hope it's just you because it would mean we'd actually be relying on kongolo, mawson or ream to play week in, week out. on reflection i'd probably say MLM is the most reliable option after tosin and hector
No, I agree also. From the CB list, I would get rid of Hector, MLM, Odoi, Ream. None of these are good enough at prem level so why keep them. Keep Kongolo, Mawson and Tosin. I'd be bringing in a quality younger CB with potential on a loan to buy and I'd bring in an older experienced CB on a free or cheap like a Scott Dann type. Would also assess whether Opoku could feature next season as a squad option.
You can't go through a season with 3 senior centre backs (2 of whom haven't played a full season in years so essentially leave us with 1.5 CB's) for what is at least a 48 game season and then sign a young player and expect them to be there or there abouts for a team that's in theory going to be challenging for top 2. Dann is dead money because he's too old for the PL with no resale value so you may as well keep Hector who's at a similar level and sell him next year once we're up
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Given financial fair play and our numerous centre half's I would seriously consider £6 million for Hector from Bournemouth, maybe it's just me 🤷♂️
i certainly hope it's just you because it would mean we'd actually be relying on kongolo, mawson or ream to play week in, week out. on reflection i'd probably say MLM is the most reliable option after tosin and hector
No, I agree also. From the CB list, I would get rid of Hector, MLM, Odoi, Ream. None of these are good enough at prem level so why keep them. Keep Kongolo, Mawson and Tosin. I'd be bringing in a quality younger CB with potential on a loan to buy and I'd bring in an older experienced CB on a free or cheap like a Scott Dann type. Would also assess whether Opoku could feature next season as a squad option.
You can't go through a season with 3 senior centre backs (2 of whom haven't played a full season in years so essentially leave us with 1.5 CB's) for what is at least a 48 game season and then sign a young player and expect them to be there or there abouts for a team that's in theory going to be challenging for top 2. Dann is dead money because he's too old for the PL with no resale value so you may as well keep Hector who's at a similar level and sell him next year once we're up
Yep. And I'm no fan of Ream but even shipping him out only to pay all the costs of bringing Scott Dann in as a replacement makes no sense.
Hammy End just tweeted an article. The Brazilian striker Muniz is open to the move and has held positive discussions with Marco Silva. Sounds like this might be a goer!
https://youtu.be/TBowAkfaqRQ here's a link to his best bits
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Given financial fair play and our numerous centre half's I would seriously consider £6 million for Hector from Bournemouth, maybe it's just me 🤷♂️
i certainly hope it's just you because it would mean we'd actually be relying on kongolo, mawson or ream to play week in, week out. on reflection i'd probably say MLM is the most reliable option after tosin and hector
No, I agree also. From the CB list, I would get rid of Hector, MLM, Odoi, Ream. None of these are good enough at prem level so why keep them. Keep Kongolo, Mawson and Tosin. I'd be bringing in a quality younger CB with potential on a loan to buy and I'd bring in an older experienced CB on a free or cheap like a Scott Dann type. Would also assess whether Opoku could feature next season as a squad option.
You can't go through a season with 3 senior centre backs (2 of whom haven't played a full season in years so essentially leave us with 1.5 CB's) for what is at least a 48 game season and then sign a young player and expect them to be there or there abouts for a team that's in theory going to be challenging for top 2. Dann is dead money because he's too old for the PL with no resale value so you may as well keep Hector who's at a similar level and sell him next year once we're up
it's a matter of opinion, and I was just stating mine. Dann is a free agent and has lots of prem experience. My first 2 CBs would be Tosin and Mawson. I'd have Dann, Kongolo and Opoku as back ups plus another loan to buy option from a top tier club. If we can get £5 or £6m for Hector then grab it. He played a handful of matches last season and was absolutely useless (e.g. Brentford and Burnley on cup games).
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Given financial fair play and our numerous centre half's I would seriously consider £6 million for Hector from Bournemouth, maybe it's just me 🤷♂️
i certainly hope it's just you because it would mean we'd actually be relying on kongolo, mawson or ream to play week in, week out. on reflection i'd probably say MLM is the most reliable option after tosin and hector
No, I agree also. From the CB list, I would get rid of Hector, MLM, Odoi, Ream. None of these are good enough at prem level so why keep them. Keep Kongolo, Mawson and Tosin. I'd be bringing in a quality younger CB with potential on a loan to buy and I'd bring in an older experienced CB on a free or cheap like a Scott Dann type. Would also assess whether Opoku could feature next season as a squad option.
You can't go through a season with 3 senior centre backs (2 of whom haven't played a full season in years so essentially leave us with 1.5 CB's) for what is at least a 48 game season and then sign a young player and expect them to be there or there abouts for a team that's in theory going to be challenging for top 2. Dann is dead money because he's too old for the PL with no resale value so you may as well keep Hector who's at a similar level and sell him next year once we're up
Yep. And I'm no fan of Ream but even shipping him out only to pay all the costs of bringing Scott Dann in as a replacement makes no sense.
Dann is a much better player and leader/organiser than Ream. He is a free agent also so it's not a matter of huge costs. But ok, I heard Ream has another year left, so let's keep him in reserve. I would ship out the others I mentioned though. I cannot believe I read somewhere that MLM was to have his contract extended. That would be really crazy. The guy is not up to it.
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Quote from: Cookie6262 on July 22, 2021, 03:22:27 PM
Given financial fair play and our numerous centre half's I would seriously consider £6 million for Hector from Bournemouth, maybe it's just me 🤷♂️
i certainly hope it's just you because it would mean we'd actually be relying on kongolo, mawson or ream to play week in, week out. on reflection i'd probably say MLM is the most reliable option after tosin and hector
No, I agree also. From the CB list, I would get rid of Hector, MLM, Odoi, Ream. None of these are good enough at prem level so why keep them. Keep Kongolo, Mawson and Tosin. I'd be bringing in a quality younger CB with potential on a loan to buy and I'd bring in an older experienced CB on a free or cheap like a Scott Dann type. Would also assess whether Opoku could feature next season as a squad option.
You can't go through a season with 3 senior centre backs (2 of whom haven't played a full season in years so essentially leave us with 1.5 CB's) for what is at least a 48 game season and then sign a young player and expect them to be there or there abouts for a team that's in theory going to be challenging for top 2. Dann is dead money because he's too old for the PL with no resale value so you may as well keep Hector who's at a similar level and sell him next year once we're up
Yep. And I'm no fan of Ream but even shipping him out only to pay all the costs of bringing Scott Dann in as a replacement makes no sense.
Dann is a much better player and leader/organiser than Ream. He is a free agent also so it's not a matter of huge costs. But ok, I heard Ream has another year left, so let's keep him in reserve. I would ship out the others I mentioned though. I cannot believe I read somewhere that MLM was to have his contract extended. That would be really crazy. The guy is not up to it.
We exercised the additional year on his contract, this is a workaround for FFP. Means his amortisation costs drop as the total fee is done over the length of the contract so gives us an extra year
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Quote from: Cookie6262 on July 22, 2021, 03:22:27 PM
Given financial fair play and our numerous centre half's I would seriously consider £6 million for Hector from Bournemouth, maybe it's just me 🤷♂️
i certainly hope it's just you because it would mean we'd actually be relying on kongolo, mawson or ream to play week in, week out. on reflection i'd probably say MLM is the most reliable option after tosin and hector
No, I agree also. From the CB list, I would get rid of Hector, MLM, Odoi, Ream. None of these are good enough at prem level so why keep them. Keep Kongolo, Mawson and Tosin. I'd be bringing in a quality younger CB with potential on a loan to buy and I'd bring in an older experienced CB on a free or cheap like a Scott Dann type. Would also assess whether Opoku could feature next season as a squad option.
You can't go through a season with 3 senior centre backs (2 of whom haven't played a full season in years so essentially leave us with 1.5 CB's) for what is at least a 48 game season and then sign a young player and expect them to be there or there abouts for a team that's in theory going to be challenging for top 2. Dann is dead money because he's too old for the PL with no resale value so you may as well keep Hector who's at a similar level and sell him next year once we're up
Yep. And I'm no fan of Ream but even shipping him out only to pay all the costs of bringing Scott Dann in as a replacement makes no sense.
Dann is a much better player and leader/organiser than Ream. He is a free agent also so it's not a matter of huge costs. But ok, I heard Ream has another year left, so let's keep him in reserve. I would ship out the others I mentioned though. I cannot believe I read somewhere that MLM was to have his contract extended. That would be really crazy. The guy is not up to it.
We exercised the additional year on his contract, this is a workaround for FFP. Means his amortisation costs drop as the total fee is done over the length of the contract so gives us an extra year
Ok, thanks for explaining. There must be a financial reason for extending, as footballing ability wise it makes zero sense.
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 22, 2021, 09:15:28 PM
Hammy End just tweeted an article. The Brazilian striker Muniz is open to the move and has held positive discussions with Marco Silva. Sounds like this might be a goer!
But has someone explained to him about playing Stoke on a Tuesday evening mid February!
Relying on Mawson and Kongola as centre backs for the season sounds a terrible risk unless we can draft in a powerful medicine man to ensure they are not injured at the same times.
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Quote from: Cookie6262 on July 22, 2021, 03:22:27 PM
Given financial fair play and our numerous centre half's I would seriously consider £6 million for Hector from Bournemouth, maybe it's just me 🤷♂️
i certainly hope it's just you because it would mean we'd actually be relying on kongolo, mawson or ream to play week in, week out. on reflection i'd probably say MLM is the most reliable option after tosin and hector
No, I agree also. From the CB list, I would get rid of Hector, MLM, Odoi, Ream. None of these are good enough at prem level so why keep them. Keep Kongolo, Mawson and Tosin. I'd be bringing in a quality younger CB with potential on a loan to buy and I'd bring in an older experienced CB on a free or cheap like a Scott Dann type. Would also assess whether Opoku could feature next season as a squad option.
You can't go through a season with 3 senior centre backs (2 of whom haven't played a full season in years so essentially leave us with 1.5 CB's) for what is at least a 48 game season and then sign a young player and expect them to be there or there abouts for a team that's in theory going to be challenging for top 2. Dann is dead money because he's too old for the PL with no resale value so you may as well keep Hector who's at a similar level and sell him next year once we're up
Yep. And I'm no fan of Ream but even shipping him out only to pay all the costs of bringing Scott Dann in as a replacement makes no sense.
Dann is a much better player and leader/organiser than Ream. He is a free agent also so it's not a matter of huge costs. But ok, I heard Ream has another year left, so let's keep him in reserve. I would ship out the others I mentioned though. I cannot believe I read somewhere that MLM was to have his contract extended. That would be really crazy. The guy is not up to it.
We exercised the additional year on his contract, this is a workaround for FFP. Means his amortisation costs drop as the total fee is done over the length of the contract so gives us an extra year
Ok, thanks for explaining. There must be a financial reason for extending, as footballing ability wise it makes zero sense.
Yeah they were all extended for FFP reasons. It's better to have them on the wage bill for another FFP wise, rather than let them go for free and therefore fail
FFP because of it
Quote from: filham on July 22, 2021, 10:04:20 PM
Relying on Mawson and Kongola as centre backs for the season sounds a terrible risk unless we can draft in a powerful medicine man to ensure they are not injured at the same times.
but there would be others in the squad at CB. I said I would have Tosin as first choice, and bring in Dann on a free, Opoku is a good young home grown prospect, and I'd take another on a loan to buy. I've also been convinced to keep Ream one more season as that is his contract length remaining. We also have MLM extended although Hilda the tea lady would have to be unfit for him to play.
I hope this Brazilian lad isn't to replace Mitro
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 22, 2021, 09:15:28 PM
Hammy End just tweeted an article. The Brazilian striker Muniz is open to the move and has held positive discussions with Marco Silva. Sounds like this might be a goer!
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I hope this Brazilian lad isn't to replace Mitro
We could do with more aMunizition up front to go along with AK47.
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Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 22, 2021, 09:15:28 PM
Hammy End just tweeted an article. The Brazilian striker Muniz is open to the move and has held positive discussions with Marco Silva. Sounds like this might be a goer!
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I hope this Brazilian lad isn't to replace Mitro
We could do with more aMunizition up front to go along with AK47.
Be great If he turns out like Richarlison [emoji1360] Still think we need Mitro next season though.
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Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 22, 2021, 09:15:28 PM
Hammy End just tweeted an article. The Brazilian striker Muniz is open to the move and has held positive discussions with Marco Silva. Sounds like this might be a goer!
Quote from: Blawarmy on July 22, 2021, 10:13:27 PM
I hope this Brazilian lad isn't to replace Mitro
We could do with more aMunizition up front to go along with AK47.
Be great If he turns out like Richarlison [emoji1360] Still think we need Mitro next season though.
I will be absolutely amazed if Mitro was to go anywhere now. If he was going to go anywhere it would've been before he returned for pre-season
Ream will play loads this season.
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Hammy End just tweeted an article. The Brazilian striker Muniz is open to the move and has held positive discussions with Marco Silva. Sounds like this might be a goer!
Quote from: Blawarmy on July 22, 2021, 10:13:27 PM
I hope this Brazilian lad isn't to replace Mitro
We could do with more aMunizition up front to go along with AK47.
Be great If he turns out like Richarlison [emoji1360] Still think we need Mitro next season though.
I will be absolutely amazed if Mitro was to go anywhere now. If he was going to go anywhere it would've been before he returned for pre-season
I hope not mate
QuoteI hope this Brazilian lad isn't to replace Mitro.
I don't think he is to replace Mitro, he's coming (if it happens) to add more speed and alternatives to the attack. We need to score more goals, that's pretty obvious.
I like the look of Muniz. Impressed with his aerial ability. Can he play wide?
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Quote from: Cookie6262 on July 22, 2021, 03:22:27 PM
Given financial fair play and our numerous centre half's I would seriously consider £6 million for Hector from Bournemouth, maybe it's just me 🤷♂️
i certainly hope it's just you because it would mean we'd actually be relying on kongolo, mawson or ream to play week in, week out. on reflection i'd probably say MLM is the most reliable option after tosin and hector
No, I agree also. From the CB list, I would get rid of Hector, MLM, Odoi, Ream. None of these are good enough at prem level so why keep them. Keep Kongolo, Mawson and Tosin. I'd be bringing in a quality younger CB with potential on a loan to buy and I'd bring in an older experienced CB on a free or cheap like a Scott Dann type. Would also assess whether Opoku could feature next season as a squad option.
You can't go through a season with 3 senior centre backs (2 of whom haven't played a full season in years so essentially leave us with 1.5 CB's) for what is at least a 48 game season and then sign a young player and expect them to be there or there abouts for a team that's in theory going to be challenging for top 2. Dann is dead money because he's too old for the PL with no resale value so you may as well keep Hector who's at a similar level and sell him next year once we're up
Yep. And I'm no fan of Ream but even shipping him out only to pay all the costs of bringing Scott Dann in as a replacement makes no sense.
Dann is a much better player and leader/organiser than Ream. He is a free agent also so it's not a matter of huge costs. But ok, I heard Ream has another year left, so let's keep him in reserve. I would ship out the others I mentioned though. I cannot believe I read somewhere that MLM was to have his contract extended. That would be really crazy. The guy is not up to it.
We exercised the additional year on his contract, this is a workaround for FFP. Means his amortisation costs drop as the total fee is done over the length of the contract so gives us an extra year
Ok, thanks for explaining. There must be a financial reason for extending, as footballing ability wise it makes zero sense.
Yeah they were all extended for FFP reasons. It's better to have them on the wage bill for another FFP wise, rather than let them go for free and therefore fail
FFP because of it
This underscores the lunacy of FFP. Spend another £1m on a squad player's wages that cannot be justified from a business or football perspective in order to improve your books. I can only hope we have a year long loan deal lined up where his wages are fully covered.
Gossip says Kane to Man City in a 160 mil deal with wages of 400k a week. How can they justify this. Sheer madness & how do they get away with FFP.
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Quote from: Cookie6262 on July 22, 2021, 03:22:27 PM
Given financial fair play and our numerous centre half's I would seriously consider £6 million for Hector from Bournemouth, maybe it's just me 🤷♂️
i certainly hope it's just you because it would mean we'd actually be relying on kongolo, mawson or ream to play week in, week out. on reflection i'd probably say MLM is the most reliable option after tosin and hector
No, I agree also. From the CB list, I would get rid of Hector, MLM, Odoi, Ream. None of these are good enough at prem level so why keep them. Keep Kongolo, Mawson and Tosin. I'd be bringing in a quality younger CB with potential on a loan to buy and I'd bring in an older experienced CB on a free or cheap like a Scott Dann type. Would also assess whether Opoku could feature next season as a squad option.
You can't go through a season with 3 senior centre backs (2 of whom haven't played a full season in years so essentially leave us with 1.5 CB's) for what is at least a 48 game season and then sign a young player and expect them to be there or there abouts for a team that's in theory going to be challenging for top 2. Dann is dead money because he's too old for the PL with no resale value so you may as well keep Hector who's at a similar level and sell him next year once we're up
Yep. And I'm no fan of Ream but even shipping him out only to pay all the costs of bringing Scott Dann in as a replacement makes no sense.
Dann is a much better player and leader/organiser than Ream. He is a free agent also so it's not a matter of huge costs. But ok, I heard Ream has another year left, so let's keep him in reserve. I would ship out the others I mentioned though. I cannot believe I read somewhere that MLM was to have his contract extended. That would be really crazy. The guy is not up to it.
We exercised the additional year on his contract, this is a workaround for FFP. Means his amortisation costs drop as the total fee is done over the length of the contract so gives us an extra year
Ok, thanks for explaining. There must be a financial reason for extending, as footballing ability wise it makes zero sense.
Yeah they were all extended for FFP reasons. It's better to have them on the wage bill for another FFP wise, rather than let them go for free and therefore fail
FFP because of it
This underscores the lunacy of FFP. Spend another £1m on a squad player's wages that cannot be justified from a business or football perspective in order to improve your books. I can only hope we have a year long loan deal lined up where his wages are fully covered.
I doubt it, you'll probably find they will sit here a few then some may head out towards the end of the window
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QuoteI hope this Brazilian lad isn't to replace Mitro.
I don't think he is to replace Mitro, he's coming (if it happens) to add more speed and alternatives to the attack. We need to score more goals, that's pretty obvious.
I am starting to dream of two strikers up front in an attacking 4-4-2 formation, one with real pace the other good in the air all resulting in a regular 2/3 goals per game at the Cottage.
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Quote from: G_Gribby on July 23, 2021, 06:54:30 AM
QuoteI hope this Brazilian lad isn't to replace Mitro.
I don't think he is to replace Mitro, he's coming (if it happens) to add more speed and alternatives to the attack. We need to score more goals, that's pretty obvious.
I am starting to dream of two strikers up front in an attacking 4-4-2 formation, one with real pace the other good in the air all resulting in a regular 2/3 goals per game at the Cottage.
And crosses slightly more accurate than Johnny Key's...
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Quote from: G_Gribby on July 23, 2021, 06:54:30 AM
QuoteI hope this Brazilian lad isn't to replace Mitro.
I don't think he is to replace Mitro, he's coming (if it happens) to add more speed and alternatives to the attack. We need to score more goals, that's pretty obvious.
I am starting to dream of two strikers up front in an attacking 4-4-2 formation, one with real pace the other good in the air all resulting in a regular 2/3 goals per game at the Cottage.
Watching Muniz clips he scored the majority of his goals with his head!
Think some people need to face the reality that we probably won't get more than a month or two out of Mawson, or more than a game or two out of Kongolo. I don't especially rate MLM but he's probably our 3rd or 4th choice CB, effectively, depending how generous you want to be to Ream.
Quote from: Statto on July 23, 2021, 10:29:37 AM
Think some people need to face the reality that we probably won't get more than a month or two out of Mawson, or more than a game or two out of Kongolo. I don't especially rate MLM but he's probably our 3rd or 4th choice CB, effectively, depending how generous you want to be to Ream.
That's not an absolute certainty though. If I was a betting man, based on history, sure, but we're not really privy to what the medical staff know. Kongolo could easily come back and be injury free on the back of some horrible bad luck.
Lookman to palace being rumoured
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Quote from: G_Gribby on July 23, 2021, 06:54:30 AM
QuoteI hope this Brazilian lad isn't to replace Mitro.
I don't think he is to replace Mitro, he's coming (if it happens) to add more speed and alternatives to the attack. We need to score more goals, that's pretty obvious.
I am starting to dream of two strikers up front in an attacking 4-4-2 formation, one with real pace the other good in the air all resulting in a regular 2/3 goals per game at the Cottage.
Watching Muniz clips he scored the majority of his goals with his head!
Right then, we just need the wide men who can deliver good crosses, can't remember the last time we saw one of them in action at the Cottage.
and we can speed up the announcement by using fully imMUNIZed as the headline
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Quote from: G_Gribby on July 23, 2021, 06:54:30 AM
QuoteI hope this Brazilian lad isn't to replace Mitro.
I don't think he is to replace Mitro, he's coming (if it happens) to add more speed and alternatives to the attack. We need to score more goals, that's pretty obvious.
I am starting to dream of two strikers up front in an attacking 4-4-2 formation, one with real pace the other good in the air all resulting in a regular 2/3 goals per game at the Cottage.
Watching Muniz clips he scored the majority of his goals with his head!
Right then, we just need the wide men who can deliver good crosses, can't remember the last time we saw one of them in action at the Cottage.
Bryan and Tete both deliver good crosses. The wingers, not so much.
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QuoteI hope this Brazilian lad isn't to replace Mitro.
I don't think he is to replace Mitro, he's coming (if it happens) to add more speed and alternatives to the attack. We need to score more goals, that's pretty obvious.
I am starting to dream of two strikers up front in an attacking 4-4-2 formation, one with real pace the other good in the air all resulting in a regular 2/3 goals per game at the Cottage.
Watching Muniz clips he scored the majority of his goals with his head!
Right then, we just need the wide men who can deliver good crosses, can't remember the last time we saw one of them in action at the Cottage.
Get Harry Wilson in!
I think we may see a different Cavaliero this season. He needs unshackling and one would hope that Silva will do just that.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Sean_Gallagher9/status/1418535027663593475
Quote from: IloveFFC on July 23, 2021, 01:10:32 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Sean_Gallagher9/status/1418535027663593475
I've seen that elsewhere this morning too. It's a shame because I still think he has something to offer us, but we've dicked the guy about so much that it's not surprising.
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Quote from: IloveFFC on July 23, 2021, 01:10:32 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Sean_Gallagher9/status/1418535027663593475
I've seen that elsewhere this morning too. It's a shame because I still think he has something to offer us, but we've dicked the guy about so much that it's not surprising.
maybe this means that Seri will stay
Quote from: IloveFFC on July 23, 2021, 01:10:32 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Sean_Gallagher9/status/1418535027663593475
Looking through the comments it's clear he's well loved there and he deserves that. With a consistent run of games he is quality.
Maybe. Or we're just making room for a newcomer.
Have to trust that the management have a plan and know what they are doing I suppose!
I'll tell you what, I won't look forward to facing him with his scything tackles. Season-ending injury to Cairney on the cards.
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QuoteI hope this Brazilian lad isn't to replace Mitro.
I don't think he is to replace Mitro, he's coming (if it happens) to add more speed and alternatives to the attack. We need to score more goals, that's pretty obvious.
I am starting to dream of two strikers up front in an attacking 4-4-2 formation, one with real pace the other good in the air all resulting in a regular 2/3 goals per game at the Cottage.
Watching Muniz clips he scored the majority of his goals with his head!
Right then, we just need the wide men who can deliver good crosses, can't remember the last time we saw one of them in action at the Cottage.
Les Barrett.
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Maybe. Or we're just making room for a newcomer.
Have to trust that the management have a plan and know what they are doing I suppose!
I reckon Matt Grimes
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Quote from: Somerset Fulham on July 23, 2021, 01:20:15 PM
Maybe. Or we're just making room for a newcomer.
Have to trust that the management have a plan and know what they are doing I suppose!
I reckon Matt Grimes
This would be a weird one, Grimes is 26 and won't get a whole lot better, he's certainly not ever going to be prem standard si what would be the point? Our transfers team are so so bad, no long term vision at all.
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Maybe. Or we're just making room for a newcomer.
Have to trust that the management have a plan and know what they are doing I suppose!
I reckon Matt Grimes
This would be a weird one, Grimes is 26 and won't get a whole lot better, he's certainly not ever going to be prem standard si what would be the point? Our transfers team are so so bad, no long term vision at all.
Defensive midfielders peak around about 30 and some even later so he's nowhere near his best yet, and he's definitely got the ability to play in the Premier League
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Quote from: Somerset Fulham on July 23, 2021, 01:20:15 PM
Maybe. Or we're just making room for a newcomer.
Have to trust that the management have a plan and know what they are doing I suppose!
I reckon Matt Grimes
This would be a weird one, Grimes is 26 and won't get a whole lot better, he's certainly not ever going to be prem standard si what would be the point? Our transfers team are so so bad, no long term vision at all.
Defensive midfielders peak around about 30 and some even later so he's nowhere near his best yet, and he's definitely got the ability to play in the Premier League
I'm a bit confused. Surely Reed is our starting defensive mid? If we are replacing Stef Jo don't we need more of a box to box or attacking type? I don't know Grimes well enough; if he's the former he may well improve but do we need him, if he's the latter then he is unlikely to continue improving as the athletic demands tend to take their toll earlier. Perhaps I haven't understood the rumoured Grimes transfer properly though?
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Maybe. Or we're just making room for a newcomer.
Have to trust that the management have a plan and know what they are doing I suppose!
I reckon Matt Grimes
This would be a weird one, Grimes is 26 and won't get a whole lot better, he's certainly not ever going to be prem standard si what would be the point? Our transfers team are so so bad, no long term vision at all.
Defensive midfielders peak around about 30 and some even later so he's nowhere near his best yet, and he's definitely got the ability to play in the Premier League
I'm a bit confused. Surely Reed is our starting defensive mid? If we are replacing K Mac don't we need more of a box to box type? I don't know Grimes well enough; if he's the former he may well improve but do we need him, if he's the latter then he is unlikely to continue improving as the athletic demands tend to take their toll earlier. Perhaps I haven't understood the rumoured Grimes transfer properly though?
He's a deep lying midfielder - Reed is more box to box. He sits deep and pulls the strings as he's got good passing range so should hopefully add some more creativity to our midfield. Silva plays 4-3-3 so you'd most likely have Grimes and Reed in a 2 man pivot behind TC
I would expect Harry Wilson to join us now, we have agreed a deal with Liverpool and he has been left out of the Liverpool squad for a friendly today. Matt Grimes has an offer from us and Bournemouth. We are his preferred destination, but should be more on that on the next 48 hours.
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Quote from: Somerset Fulham on July 23, 2021, 01:20:15 PM
Maybe. Or we're just making room for a newcomer.
Have to trust that the management have a plan and know what they are doing I suppose!
I reckon Matt Grimes
This would be a weird one, Grimes is 26 and won't get a whole lot better, he's certainly not ever going to be prem standard si what would be the point? Our transfers team are so so bad, no long term vision at all.
Defensive midfielders peak around about 30 and some even later so he's nowhere near his best yet, and he's definitely got the ability to play in the Premier League
I'm a bit confused. Surely Reed is our starting defensive mid? If we are replacing K Mac don't we need more of a box to box type? I don't know Grimes well enough; if he's the former he may well improve but do we need him, if he's the latter then he is unlikely to continue improving as the athletic demands tend to take their toll earlier. Perhaps I haven't understood the rumoured Grimes transfer properly though?
He's a deep lying midfielder - Reed is more box to box. He sits deep and pulls the strings as he's got good passing range so should hopefully add some more creativity to our midfield. Silva plays 4-3-3 so you'd most likely have Grimes and Reed in a 2 man pivot behind TC
My thoughts exactly - if all of Anguissa, Seri and Stef Jo are off, Trybull rumour makes sense as well.midfield of Reed, Trybull, Grimes, Onomah, Cairney, ??
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 23, 2021, 05:01:28 PM
I would expect Harry Wilson to join us now, we have agreed a deal with Liverpool and he has been left out of the Liverpool squad for a friendly today. Matt Grimes has an offer from us and Bournemouth. We are his preferred destination, but should be more on that on the next 48 hours.
Surely we won't let StefJo leave until Grimes is confirmed.
Quote from: IloveFFC on July 23, 2021, 01:10:32 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Sean_Gallagher9/status/1418535027663593475
Stefjo is a nice squad player, but not the be all, end all saviour they are making him to be. Perhaps shows even though we've just been relegated the gulf in class between our two squads.
Wilson apparently done - 12m + addons
Are we happy?
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 23, 2021, 05:18:27 PM
Wilson apparently done - 12m + addons
Are we happy?
Bit expensive for me, but whatever. Hope he goes on to live up to the price tag.
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QuoteI hope this Brazilian lad isn't to replace Mitro.
I don't think he is to replace Mitro, he's coming (if it happens) to add more speed and alternatives to the attack. We need to score more goals, that's pretty obvious.
I am starting to dream of two strikers up front in an attacking 4-4-2 formation, one with real pace the other good in the air all resulting in a regular 2/3 goals per game at the Cottage.
Watching Muniz clips he scored the majority of his goals with his head!
Right then, we just need the wide men who can deliver good crosses, can't remember the last time we saw one of them in action at the Cottage.
Les Barrett.
Les was such a great player.
I would suggest that Damian Duff was a pretty good crosser of the ball more recently.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 23, 2021, 05:18:27 PM
Wilson apparently done - 12m + addons
Are we happy?
Just two weeks to the first match, the more we get sorted, b0th ins and outs, in the next week the better.
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Quote from: G_Gribby on July 23, 2021, 06:54:30 AM
QuoteI hope this Brazilian lad isn't to replace Mitro.
I don't think he is to replace Mitro, he's coming (if it happens) to add more speed and alternatives to the attack. We need to score more goals, that's pretty obvious.
I am starting to dream of two strikers up front in an attacking 4-4-2 formation, one with real pace the other good in the air all resulting in a regular 2/3 goals per game at the Cottage.
Watching Muniz clips he scored the majority of his goals with his head!
Right then, we just need the wide men who can deliver good crosses, can't remember the last time we saw one of them in action at the Cottage.
Les Barrett.
Pin-point from about a foot away from the goal-line at 90 degrees.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 23, 2021, 05:18:27 PM
Wilson apparently done - 12m + addons
Are we happy?
If so, yes. It can't be said that Silva allowed it all to be left to the last minute. He could hardly have made his input much sooner.
Well Harry Wilson and from the same (Instagram) source, Rodrigo Muniz will join. Let's see if this account is something to follow in the future.
Up the Fulham!
Stef Jo won't be a loss if he goes, which looks likely, but Anguissa will. The club should be doing everything within their power to retain him.
Quote from: Holders on July 23, 2021, 06:13:41 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 23, 2021, 05:18:27 PM
Wilson apparently done - 12m + addons
Are we happy?
If so, yes. It can't be said that Silva allowed it all to be left to the last minute. He could hardly have made his input much sooner.
Maybe Silva told Shad that one of the conditions for joining was getting business done early as he'd noticed we were always slow with transfers?
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Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 23, 2021, 05:18:27 PM
Wilson apparently done - 12m + addons
Are we happy?
If so, yes. It can't be said that Silva allowed it all to be left to the last minute. He could hardly have made his input much sooner.
Maybe Silva told Shad that one of the conditions for joining was getting business done early as he'd noticed we were always slow with transfers?
My understanding is that Silva has said he wants a winger, CM and a striker by the first game of the season. Those are the 3 key positions that need filling in his view. Anything else can come later. It's a strategy which I agree with tbh
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Quote from: G_Gribby on July 23, 2021, 06:54:30 AM
QuoteI hope this Brazilian lad isn't to replace Mitro.
I don't think he is to replace Mitro, he's coming (if it happens) to add more speed and alternatives to the attack. We need to score more goals, that's pretty obvious.
I am starting to dream of two strikers up front in an attacking 4-4-2 formation, one with real pace the other good in the air all resulting in a regular 2/3 goals per game at the Cottage.
Watching Muniz clips he scored the majority of his goals with his head!
Right then, we just need the wide men who can deliver good crosses, can't remember the last time we saw one of them in action at the Cottage.
Les Barrett.
Les was such a great player.
I would suggest that Damian Duff was a pretty good crosser of the ball more recently.
So was Bjarne Goldbaek.
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Quote from: Holders on July 23, 2021, 06:13:41 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 23, 2021, 05:18:27 PM
Wilson apparently done - 12m + addons
Are we happy?
If so, yes. It can't be said that Silva allowed it all to be left to the last minute. He could hardly have made his input much sooner.
Maybe Silva told Shad that one of the conditions for joining was getting business done early as he'd noticed we were always slow with transfers?
My understanding is that Silva has said he wants a winger, CM and a striker by the first game of the season. Those are the 3 key positions that need filling in his view. Anything else can come later. It's a strategy which I agree with tbh
We can agree to agree on that! Hopefully it is the Stef Jo's and pick your chronically injured CB's of choice that are shipped out rather than any of the would be starting 11.
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Quote from: Holders on July 23, 2021, 06:13:41 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 23, 2021, 05:18:27 PM
Wilson apparently done - 12m + addons
Are we happy?
If so, yes. It can't be said that Silva allowed it all to be left to the last minute. He could hardly have made his input much sooner.
Maybe Silva told Shad that one of the conditions for joining was getting business done early as he'd noticed we were always slow with transfers?
My understanding is that Silva has said he wants a winger, CM and a striker by the first game of the season. Those are the 3 key positions that need filling in his view. Anything else can come later. It's a strategy which I agree with tbh
So do you know Silva?
Quote from: Barrett487 on July 23, 2021, 06:00:41 PM
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Quote from: G_Gribby on July 23, 2021, 06:54:30 AM
QuoteI hope this Brazilian lad isn't to replace Mitro.
I don't think he is to replace Mitro, he's coming (if it happens) to add more speed and alternatives to the attack. We need to score more goals, that's pretty obvious.
I am starting to dream of two strikers up front in an attacking 4-4-2 formation, one with real pace the other good in the air all resulting in a regular 2/3 goals per game at the Cottage.
Watching Muniz clips he scored the majority of his goals with his head!
Right then, we just need the wide men who can deliver good crosses, can't remember the last time we saw one of them in action at the Cottage.
Les Barrett.
Les was such a great player.
I would suggest that Damian Duff was a pretty good crosser of the ball more recently.
Damian Duff was the first instigator of the dark art of falling over when someone just touched him, Harry Kane reminds me of Duff every time he is tackled.
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Quote from: G_Gribby on July 23, 2021, 06:54:30 AM
QuoteI hope this Brazilian lad isn't to replace Mitro.
I don't think he is to replace Mitro, he's coming (if it happens) to add more speed and alternatives to the attack. We need to score more goals, that's pretty obvious.
I am starting to dream of two strikers up front in an attacking 4-4-2 formation, one with real pace the other good in the air all resulting in a regular 2/3 goals per game at the Cottage.
Watching Muniz clips he scored the majority of his goals with his head!
Right then, we just need the wide men who can deliver good crosses, can't remember the last time we saw one of them in action at the Cottage.
Les Barrett.
Les was such a great player.
I would suggest that Damian Duff was a pretty good crosser of the ball more recently.
Damian Duff was the first instigator of the dark art of falling over when someone just touched him, Harry Kane reminds me of Duff every time he is tackled.
Duff was quick, could cross and was great to watch. What's not to like?
The Sun are reporting tonight that Man City and Wolves are battling it out for the signature of Antonee Robinson for £10 million,
Can see him, Reed and Anguissa going to raise a war chest for new recruits, personally I'd miss all three if it happens.
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Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 23, 2021, 05:18:27 PM
Wilson apparently done - 12m + addons
Are we happy?
Bit expensive for me, but whatever. Hope he goes on to live up to the price tag.
12 million euros not pounds. 10 million pounds
I honestly don't think we will miss Anguissa as much as is feared if/when he goes.
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I honestly don't think we will miss Anguissa as much as is feared if/when he goes.
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I honestly don't think we will miss Anguissa as much as is feared if/when he goes.
Nor do I - never seen any consistency that makes me care whether he goes or not..... lot of unsubstantiated hype just because we wasted £30 mill on him imo
Quote from: Riversider on July 23, 2021, 10:30:10 PM
The Sun are reporting tonight that Man City and Wolves are battling it out for the signature of Antonee Robinson for £10 million,
Can see him, Reed and Anguissa going to raise a war chest for new recruits, personally I'd miss all three if it happens.
Zero chance of him getting in either of those teams. Most of us (including me) can't even decide if he should be starting ahead of Bryan. Sounds like another Tosin scenario where we overrate some of our own players and forget how poor we were with them at PL level
I'd be really disappointed if Robinson went. I know hes like marmite on here but his pace and athleticism is exactly what we lacked previous in the championship.
Quote from: Riversider on July 23, 2021, 10:30:10 PM
The Sun are reporting tonight that Man City and Wolves are battling it out for the signature of Antonee Robinson for £10 million,
Can see him, Reed and Anguissa going to raise a war chest for new recruits, personally I'd miss all three if it happens.
Fulham want 25 million for Reed. No one will pay that. I'm sure he will stay
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 23, 2021, 08:20:51 PM
My understanding is that Silva has said he wants a winger, CM and a striker by the first game of the season. Those are the 3 key positions that need filling in his view. Anything else can come later. It's a strategy which I agree with tbh
With StefJo departing that still leaves us with Reed, TC, Seri, Frank, Onomah & Carvalho. If Silva wants another CM at least one of the existing squad CMs must be departing. My money would be on Seri although I've read on here from more than one poster that Silva apparently rates Seri
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Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 23, 2021, 08:20:51 PM
My understanding is that Silva has said he wants a winger, CM and a striker by the first game of the season. Those are the 3 key positions that need filling in his view. Anything else can come later. It's a strategy which I agree with tbh
With StefJo departing that still leaves us with Reed, TC, Seri, Frank, Onomah & Carvalho. If Silva wants another CM at least one of the existing squad CMs must be departing. My money would be on Seri although I've read on here from more than one poster that Silva apparently rates Seri
My money would be in Frank going
We probably need to sell one player this summer. So if selling Robinson means we keep Anguissa I'd call that a result. That said I hope we keep all of our regular starters that remain from last season.
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My money would be in Frank going
Yeah, I can see why but Frank would be a BEAST in the Championship. Seri hasn't played for us for the last 2 seasons so he's an unknown quantity in a white shirt. Of the two, I'd rather keep Frank if he performs like he did up to Christmas last season. Hard to know how much contracting Covid affected him
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Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 23, 2021, 05:18:27 PM
Wilson apparently done - 12m + addons
Are we happy?
If so, yes. It can't be said that Silva allowed it all to be left to the last minute. He could hardly have made his input much sooner.
Maybe Silva told Shad that one of the conditions for joining was getting business done early as he'd noticed we were always slow with transfers?
My understanding is that Silva has said he wants a winger, CM and a striker by the first game of the season. Those are the 3 key positions that need filling in his view. Anything else can come later. It's a strategy which I agree with tbh
Given our strongest links are Wilson, Grimes and Munir that would be the pretty obvious assumption
Well see I guess.
Dont know much about Grimes but like the look of munir and wilson
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 23, 2021, 10:56:07 PM
I'd be really disappointed if Robinson went. I know hes like marmite on here but his pace and athleticism is exactly what we lacked previous in the championship.
If he just just cross a ball he's be gold dust!
As much as I would love to keep Anguissa if we could sell Frank, Seri for £20 million and maybe even Hector for £25 million and add Gromes, Wilson and Muniz we would and keep Robinson/Reed we would be pretty well set
I'm puzzled by all the concern that we might lose Frank. I'd cash in in a heartbeat. I've watched him closely and can't see that he produces anything worthwhile and appears to have no football brain. I can only assume people are smitten by his physique and his undoubted fancy skills and overlook his too many shortcomings. Just one man's opinion.sell!
Quote from: millsy on July 24, 2021, 12:38:39 AM
I'm puzzled by all the concern that we might lose Frank. I'd cash in in a heartbeat. I've watched him closely and can't see that he produces anything worthwhile and appears to have no football brain. I can only assume people are smitten by his physique and his undoubted fancy skills and overlook his too many shortcomings. Just one man's opinion.sell!
Your not the only one, I agree and he does not play within the framework of the team. I have never ever seen him communicate with colleagues as you would normally expect in a team environment.
I cannot envisage him being a bundle of laughs in the dressing room either and for me he flatters to decieve on the field of play also.
One thing he has shown is the ability to "drive forward and attack defenses" he has shown that capability a few times.
If that can be changed into creating chances around him and his ability in defensive midfield then I say he's a "keeper".
Quote from: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on July 24, 2021, 04:11:52 AM
One thing he has shown is the ability to "drive forward and attack defenses" he has shown that capability a few times.
If that can be changed into creating chances around him and his ability in defensive midfield then I say he's a "keeper".
First and foremost he does not play in goal so how can he be a keeper, and secondly he scored one goal last season, so his driving forward does not end up with very much success as there is no end product.
What was his price £30 million, His previous club Marseilles must have been laughing all the way to the bank.
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Quote from: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on July 24, 2021, 04:11:52 AM
One thing he has shown is the ability to "drive forward and attack defenses" he has shown that capability a few times.
If that can be changed into creating chances around him and his ability in defensive midfield then I say he's a "keeper".
First and foremost he does not play in goal so how can he be a keeper, and secondly he scored one goal last season, so his driving forward does not end up with very much success as there is no end product.
What was his price £30 million, His previous club Marseilles must have been laughing all the way to the bank.
Did he really score a goal? Must have missed that. I like him but it's difficult to ever see him scoring.
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Quote from: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on July 24, 2021, 04:11:52 AM
One thing he has shown is the ability to "drive forward and attack defenses" he has shown that capability a few times.
If that can be changed into creating chances around him and his ability in defensive midfield then I say he's a "keeper".
First and foremost he does not play in goal so how can he be a keeper, and secondly he scored one goal last season, so his driving forward does not end up with very much success as there is no end product.
What was his price £30 million, His previous club Marseilles must have been laughing all the way to the bank.
Did he really score a goal? Must have missed that. I like him but it's difficult to ever see him scoring.
Now you mention it I am not sure myself, perhaps I dreamt it.
OK, so I know that a lot of people turn up their noses at all the advanced statistics and metrics that are now available, but some of them can be useful tools to help evaluate a player's strengths and weaknesses, and how their play can impact a game in ways that might not be obvious. There is a stat called "successful dribbles", which is when a player beats his marker and drives forward with the ball such that another player must then cover him. I believe that to qualify as successful, they must travel a minimum distance forward, which I think is 10 metres. Although it sounds like this should happen all the time with players all over the pitch, it is actually rather rare in real game situations in the Premier League.
In the 2020-21 Premier League season, Adama Traore led the league in successful dribbles. There were 2 players tied for 2nd; Andre-Frank Zambo Anguissa and Andre St. Maximin. there was a sizeable gap separating those 2 from the following players, Sadio Mane, and then Marcus Rashford. Raheem Sterling was 9th in the league, and Jack Grealish was 10th.
The great value that a successful dribble contributes is that it can destroy the defensive shape of the opposition. When 2 or 3 players converge to defend a player dribbling the ball, that inevitably leaves attacking players unmarked. and although it doesnt always lead directly to goals, it definitely leads to goal scoring opportunities for other players. If a player is surrounded by others who can take advantage of those opportunities, the goals will come.
For those who think that Anguissa has occasional flashes of eye-catching talent, but no end product, I think they may be missing what a lot of professional football people can see; that he can consistently produce those high level performances in the Premier League and La Liga, and if surrounded by the right players, he can contribute greatly to a team's overall possibility of success. That's why they value him so highly in the transfer market.
Years Team Apps (Gls)
2015–2018 Marseille 79 (0)
2018– Fulham 58 (0)
2019–2020 → Villarreal (loan) 36 (2)
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 24, 2021, 03:42:56 AM
Quote from: millsy on July 24, 2021, 12:38:39 AM
I'm puzzled by all the concern that we might lose Frank. I'd cash in in a heartbeat. I've watched him closely and can't see that he produces anything worthwhile and appears to have no football brain. I can only assume people are smitten by his physique and his undoubted fancy skills and overlook his too many shortcomings. Just one man's opinion.sell!
Your not the only one, I agree and he does not play within the framework of the team. I have never ever seen him communicate with colleagues as you would normally expect in a team environment.
I cannot envisage him being a bundle of laughs in the dressing room either and for me he flatters to decieve on the field of play also.
I agree, sell him. He is the only one I think we can sell for really good money who I don't think we'd miss. Invest the proceeds back into those coming in - Grimes, Wilson and the Brazilian striker on a loan fee.
Our loan offer for Muniz has been rejected by Flamengo
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/07/flamengo-reject-fulhams-muniz-loan-bid/
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on July 24, 2021, 06:23:01 AM
OK, so I know that a lot of people turn up their noses at all the advanced statistics and metrics that are now available, but some of them can be useful tools to help evaluate a player's strengths and weaknesses, and how their play can impact a game in ways that might not be obvious. There is a stat called "successful dribbles", which is when a player beats his marker and drives forward with the ball such that another player must then cover him. I believe that to qualify as successful, they must travel a minimum distance forward, which I think is 10 metres. Although it sounds like this should happen all the time with players all over the pitch, it is actually rather rare in real game situations in the Premier League.
In the 2020-21 Premier League season, Adama Traore led the league in successful dribbles. There were 2 players tied for 2nd; Andre-Frank Zambo Anguissa and Andre St. Maximin. there was a sizeable gap separating those 2 from the following players, Sadio Mane, and then Marcus Rashford. Raheem Sterling was 9th in the league, and Jack Grealish was 10th.
The great value that a successful dribble contributes is that it can destroy the defensive shape of the opposition. When 2 or 3 players converge to defend a player dribbling the ball, that inevitably leaves attacking players unmarked. and although it doesnt always lead directly to goals, it definitely leads to goal scoring opportunities for other players. If a player is surrounded by others who can take advantage of those opportunities, the goals will come.
For those who think that Anguissa has occasional flashes of eye-catching talent, but no end product, I think they may be missing what a lot of professional football people can see; that he can consistently produce those high level performances in the Premier League and La Liga, and if surrounded by the right players, he can contribute greatly to a team's overall possibility of success. That's why they value him so highly in the transfer market.
But rarely scores or assists throughout his career. Think re runs into a lot of dead ends
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on July 24, 2021, 06:23:01 AM
OK, so I know that a lot of people turn up their noses at all the advanced statistics and metrics that are now available, but some of them can be useful tools to help evaluate a player's strengths and weaknesses, and how their play can impact a game in ways that might not be obvious. There is a stat called "successful dribbles", which is when a player beats his marker and drives forward with the ball such that another player must then cover him. I believe that to qualify as successful, they must travel a minimum distance forward, which I think is 10 metres. Although it sounds like this should happen all the time with players all over the pitch, it is actually rather rare in real game situations in the Premier League.
In the 2020-21 Premier League season, Adama Traore led the league in successful dribbles. There were 2 players tied for 2nd; Andre-Frank Zambo Anguissa and Andre St. Maximin. there was a sizeable gap separating those 2 from the following players, Sadio Mane, and then Marcus Rashford. Raheem Sterling was 9th in the league, and Jack Grealish was 10th.
The great value that a successful dribble contributes is that it can destroy the defensive shape of the opposition. When 2 or 3 players converge to defend a player dribbling the ball, that inevitably leaves attacking players unmarked. and although it doesnt always lead directly to goals, it definitely leads to goal scoring opportunities for other players. If a player is surrounded by others who can take advantage of those opportunities, the goals will come.
For those who think that Anguissa has occasional flashes of eye-catching talent, but no end product, I think they may be missing what a lot of professional football people can see; that he can consistently produce those high level performances in the Premier League and La Liga, and if surrounded by the right players, he can contribute greatly to a team's overall possibility of success. That's why they value him so highly in the transfer market.
Good post. Anguissa has always played in the top leagues. He would be one of the stand out players in the Championship and a player we should be looking to keep if the club are serious about promotion.
Quote from: Whitestone on July 24, 2021, 08:40:27 AM
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on July 24, 2021, 06:23:01 AM
OK, so I know that a lot of people turn up their noses at all the advanced statistics and metrics that are now available, but some of them can be useful tools to help evaluate a player's strengths and weaknesses, and how their play can impact a game in ways that might not be obvious. There is a stat called "successful dribbles", which is when a player beats his marker and drives forward with the ball such that another player must then cover him. I believe that to qualify as successful, they must travel a minimum distance forward, which I think is 10 metres. Although it sounds like this should happen all the time with players all over the pitch, it is actually rather rare in real game situations in the Premier League.
In the 2020-21 Premier League season, Adama Traore led the league in successful dribbles. There were 2 players tied for 2nd; Andre-Frank Zambo Anguissa and Andre St. Maximin. there was a sizeable gap separating those 2 from the following players, Sadio Mane, and then Marcus Rashford. Raheem Sterling was 9th in the league, and Jack Grealish was 10th.
The great value that a successful dribble contributes is that it can destroy the defensive shape of the opposition. When 2 or 3 players converge to defend a player dribbling the ball, that inevitably leaves attacking players unmarked. and although it doesnt always lead directly to goals, it definitely leads to goal scoring opportunities for other players. If a player is surrounded by others who can take advantage of those opportunities, the goals will come.
For those who think that Anguissa has occasional flashes of eye-catching talent, but no end product, I think they may be missing what a lot of professional football people can see; that he can consistently produce those high level performances in the Premier League and La Liga, and if surrounded by the right players, he can contribute greatly to a team's overall possibility of success. That's why they value him so highly in the transfer market.
Good post. Anguissa has always played in the top leagues. He would be one of the stand out players in the Championship and a player we should be looking to keep if the club are serious about promotion.
A lot of good points in both these posts. Two players ,one is outstanding at lower level and can stamp his will on everything ,whilst the other player at the same level plays well but doesnt really stick out. They both go up a level and the first player is out of his depth whilst the second player continues to play his game and performs at a high level . He (the second player who is unspectacular) is the one who has the highest level in his play.
When it comes to Frank ,I think he does flatter to decieve and has too few goals or assists. Not sure he will rip up the championship as many think but he definitely has the potential. I think a year at a lower level (in the championship ) could be what he needs to open up the flood gates of his potential.
Thought this was a transfer thread not a discussion thread. Can we just keep it to transfer rumours otherwise it gets really boring.
If you playback any of his games for us and follow him not the ball and I think you'll see that he repeatedly loses his man, is weak in the tackle, careless with his passing further than 3 yards and can't shoot.
I do agree he has the ability to run with the ball and can create space for others but at least at PL level, his shortcomings are too much to carry. Will he get away with it in the Championship? Maybe but quite a gamble.
StefJo is an 8, him being off to QPR makes Frank more likely to be staying.
Silva is an attacking manager and should hopefully get Frank to be more productive, he has the talent.
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on July 24, 2021, 06:23:01 AM
OK, so I know that a lot of people turn up their noses at all the advanced statistics and metrics that are now available, but some of them can be useful tools to help evaluate a player's strengths and weaknesses, and how their play can impact a game in ways that might not be obvious. There is a stat called "successful dribbles", which is when a player beats his marker and drives forward with the ball such that another player must then cover him. I believe that to qualify as successful, they must travel a minimum distance forward, which I think is 10 metres. Although it sounds like this should happen all the time with players all over the pitch, it is actually rather rare in real game situations in the Premier League.
In the 2020-21 Premier League season, Adama Traore led the league in successful dribbles. There were 2 players tied for 2nd; Andre-Frank Zambo Anguissa and Andre St. Maximin. there was a sizeable gap separating those 2 from the following players, Sadio Mane, and then Marcus Rashford. Raheem Sterling was 9th in the league, and Jack Grealish was 10th.
The great value that a successful dribble contributes is that it can destroy the defensive shape of the opposition. When 2 or 3 players converge to defend a player dribbling the ball, that inevitably leaves attacking players unmarked. and although it doesnt always lead directly to goals, it definitely leads to goal scoring opportunities for other players. If a player is surrounded by others who can take advantage of those opportunities, the goals will come.
For those who think that Anguissa has occasional flashes of eye-catching talent, but no end product, I think they may be missing what a lot of professional football people can see; that he can consistently produce those high level performances in the Premier League and La Liga, and if surrounded by the right players, he can contribute greatly to a team's overall possibility of success. That's why they value him so highly in the transfer market.
I disagree, Zambo does not punch his weight at all, disappears under a blade of grass as soon as the going gets tough. No character I would not want to be stuck with him in a bomb crater 20 miles behind enemy lines he would throw the towel in.
He showed flashes but overal an expensive flop due to relying on stats.
I also really can't see him staying personally. We were all going on about him being a beast in the championship last time we went down and then he was loaned out to villareal
Quote from: Tooting legend on July 24, 2021, 09:13:00 AM
Thought this was a transfer thread not a discussion thread. Can we just keep it to transfer rumours otherwise it gets really boring.
Whereas this sort of post isn't boring at all...
Everyone always seems to be saying we need to build a "PL ready" team before we get promoted. Personally I think that's a bit naive, any promoted club is going to need to replace half their team, but if we are indeed looking to acquire and keep PL quality players then Anguissa is definitely our best example of that. If he's getting sold to raise funds (which I accept he probably is) the reality is those funds will be used to buy Championship quality players that we then need to replace with an a new Anguissa if we get promoted.
Quote from: Tooting legend on July 24, 2021, 09:13:00 AM
Thought this was a transfer thread not a discussion thread. Can we just keep it to transfer rumours otherwise it gets really boring.
:plus one:
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on July 24, 2021, 07:05:07 AM
Our loan offer for Muniz has been rejected by Flamengo
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/07/flamengo-reject-fulhams-muniz-loan-bid/
Was starting to get a little excited by the prospect of him coming. Hopefully we go back in
Quote from: jayffc on July 23, 2021, 11:36:22 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 23, 2021, 10:56:07 PM
I'd be really disappointed if Robinson went. I know hes like marmite on here but his pace and athleticism is exactly what we lacked previous in the championship.
If he just just cross a ball he's be gold dust!
Hopefully the new manager is going to want more crosses into the box and may therefore prefer Bryan to Robinson,.
Quote from: bigalffc on July 24, 2021, 10:11:44 AM
Quote from: Tooting legend on July 24, 2021, 09:13:00 AM
Thought this was a transfer thread not a discussion thread. Can we just keep it to transfer rumours otherwise it gets really boring.
:plus one:
I am quite enjoying the discussion about possible signings and how our team could look this coming season.
I thought Grimes would be over the line by now. Are we just waiting for Stefjo to complete his medical before we announce Grimes if anyone knows?
Quote from: Statto on July 24, 2021, 10:07:04 AM
Everyone always seems to be saying we need to build a "PL ready" team before we get promoted. Personally I think that's a bit naive, any promoted club is going to need to replace half their team, but if we are indeed looking to acquire and keep PL quality players then Anguissa is definitely our best example of that. If he's getting sold to raise funds (which I accept he probably is) the reality is those funds will be used to buy Championship quality players that we then need to replace with an a new Anguissa if we get promoted.
Totally agree.
Looks like the Johansen announcement is imminent judging from his twitter. That should start the ball rolling
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 24, 2021, 03:42:56 AM
Quote from: millsy on July 24, 2021, 12:38:39 AM
I'm puzzled by all the concern that we might lose Frank. I'd cash in in a heartbeat. I've watched him closely and can't see that he produces anything worthwhile and appears to have no football brain. I can only assume people are smitten by his physique and his undoubted fancy skills and overlook his too many shortcomings. Just one man's opinion.sell!
Your not the only one, I agree and he does not play within the framework of the team. I have never ever seen him communicate with colleagues as you would normally expect in a team environment.
I cannot envisage him being a bundle of laughs in the dressing room either and for me he flatters to decieve on the field of play also.
You're view on his footballing ability is about as correct as your view on personality.
It's your view, and of course, like most of your views you repeat them at every opportunity a multitude of times. (This doesn't make them right, by the way)
Take a look at what his teammates say about him. You couldn't be further from the truth.
I have never ever seen him communicate with colleagues as you would normally expect in a team environment. I mean, really?
Quote from: Statto on July 24, 2021, 10:07:04 AM
Everyone always seems to be saying we need to build a "PL ready" team before we get promoted. Personally I think that's a bit naive, any promoted club is going to need to replace half their team, but if we are indeed looking to acquire and keep PL quality players then Anguissa is definitely our best example of that. If he's getting sold to raise funds (which I accept he probably is) the reality is those funds will be used to buy Championship quality players that we then need to replace with an a new Anguissa if we get promoted.
Absolutely correct. I personally wouldn't sell Frank unless it's absolutely vital for ffp (which I don't think it is with the 120m premier league prize money from last season plus 50m parachute payment.
What we should be doing is looking at younger players who have done well in the championship and even league 1 and have the potential to grow into Premier League players. There are countless examples in recent years of this strategy paying off for teams that take the chance of those kind of players.
Just to add another caveat to this, our squad must be the most expensive squad to ever play in the Championship. Automatic is an absolute necessity
Quote from: 70sPimlico on July 24, 2021, 11:14:48 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 24, 2021, 03:42:56 AM
Quote from: millsy on July 24, 2021, 12:38:39 AM
I'm puzzled by all the concern that we might lose Frank. I'd cash in in a heartbeat. I've watched him closely and can't see that he produces anything worthwhile and appears to have no football brain. I can only assume people are smitten by his physique and his undoubted fancy skills and overlook his too many shortcomings. Just one man's opinion.sell!
Your not the only one, I agree and he does not play within the framework of the team. I have never ever seen him communicate with colleagues as you would normally expect in a team environment.
I cannot envisage him being a bundle of laughs in the dressing room either and for me he flatters to decieve on the field of play also.
You're view on his footballing ability is about as correct as your view on personality.
It's your view, and of course, like most of your views you repeat them at every opportunity a multitude of times. (This doesn't make them right, by the way)
Take a look at what his teammates say about him. You couldn't be further from the truth.
I have never ever seen him communicate with colleagues as you would normally expect in a team environment. I mean, really?
If I agreed with you we would both be wrong, by the way your Application to
join my fan club has been denied.
I see the usual BIG TEAMS are embarking on madness in the transfer market. As FFP doesn´t seem to come into their thoughts Man City are after Grealish, Kane for a combined 250 mil.
Quote from: grandad on July 24, 2021, 11:36:10 AM
I see the usual BIG TEAMS are embarking on madness in the transfer market. As FFP doesn´t seem to come into their thoughts Man City are after Grealish, Kane for a combined 250 mil.
Well their annual revenue is something like £500m so they're probably still complying
Although I agree the system is all wrong, if that's your sentiment
Quote from: filham on July 24, 2021, 10:33:14 AM
Quote from: jayffc on July 23, 2021, 11:36:22 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on July 23, 2021, 10:56:07 PM
I'd be really disappointed if Robinson went. I know hes like marmite on here but his pace and athleticism is exactly what we lacked previous in the championship.
If he just just cross a ball he's be gold dust!
Hopefully the new manager is going to want more crosses into the box and may therefore prefer Bryan to Robinson,.
No doubt that Joe is the better crosser by a country mile, but you cannot train pace and most defenders absolutely hate anyone running at them at speed. I think Robinson should be able to be coached to cross better. You can bet your life if he does move to City he will be coached on when and how to cross a ball.
Personally I think we should definitely be keeping both.
Quote from: Danitar on July 24, 2021, 10:51:52 AM
I thought Grimes would be over the line by now. Are we just waiting for Stefjo to complete his medical before we announce Grimes if anyone knows?
According to Swansea journalist Grimes has tested positive for Covid
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 24, 2021, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: Danitar on July 24, 2021, 10:51:52 AM
I thought Grimes would be over the line by now. Are we just waiting for Stefjo to complete his medical before we announce Grimes if anyone knows?
According to Swansea journalist Grimes has tested positive for Covid
The guy who tweeted it is a fake account is it not? He's got 20 odd followers which is suspicious for a "journalist"
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 24, 2021, 12:28:39 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 24, 2021, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: Danitar on July 24, 2021, 10:51:52 AM
I thought Grimes would be over the line by now. Are we just waiting for Stefjo to complete his medical before we announce Grimes if anyone knows?
According to Swansea journalist Grimes has tested positive for Covid
The guy who tweeted it is a fake account is it not? He's got 20 odd followers which is suspicious for a "journalist"
I don't know tbh, never heard of him haha
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 24, 2021, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: Danitar on July 24, 2021, 10:51:52 AM
I thought Grimes would be over the line by now. Are we just waiting for Stefjo to complete his medical before we announce Grimes if anyone knows?
According to Swansea journalist Grimes has tested positive for Covid
So that will not stop us, there is usually a good sicknote in our summer signings.
Paolo Gazzanigga having a medical at Fulham apparently
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 24, 2021, 12:41:12 PM
Paolo Gazzanigga having a medical at Fulham apparently
First choice or back up thats the question.
Seems like every window we have to buy a goalkeeper, really odd.
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 24, 2021, 12:41:12 PM
Paolo Gazzanigga having a medical at Fulham apparently
I took his height when he walked through the gates at MP 6 feet 5 inches, and very tall for his height.
This probably means Fabri is off, and Gazzanigga will be good competition for Rodak. We almost signed him before Areola last summer too
All journalists on Twitter saying Wilson flying in for medical, terms agreed on all sides.
Quote from: bobby01 on July 24, 2021, 12:56:48 PM
All journalists on Twitter saying Wilson flying in for medical, terms agreed on all sides.
£12 mill was the text I got from a Liverpool friend and avid reader of all their journos
Paulo Gazzaniga (spurs keeper) having a medical as well and reports StefJo is £450k and add-ons
Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk
Gazzaniga was on his way here last window, before Areola, wasn't he?
Quote from: Tabby on July 24, 2021, 01:34:28 PM
Gazzaniga was on his way here last window, before Areola, wasn't he?
Yes Spurs wanted 10 mill so we signed Areola instead
If Rodak gets replaced again, I will be very disappointed.
Reiss Nelson on loan, latest rumour on Twitter.
Quote from: Riversider on July 24, 2021, 01:46:27 PM
Reiss Nelson on loan, latest rumour on Twitter.
I saw Reece Parkinson post that on Twitter. I thought he was just joking - not sure he's read the room after bragging of his 'involvement' in the RLC transfer.
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on July 24, 2021, 01:41:51 PM
If Rodak gets replaced again, I will be very disappointed.
It'll be a backup freebie like we tried for the American keeper the other week, means we can let Fabri go as well as Betts and shift some wages and have decent competition for the #1 spot
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on July 24, 2021, 01:41:51 PM
If Rodak gets replaced again, I will be very disappointed.
Yeah, seems harsh on Rodak but can't see Gazzaniga joining us as second choice
Quote from: JimOG on July 24, 2021, 01:19:20 PM
Quote from: bobby01 on July 24, 2021, 12:56:48 PM
All journalists on Twitter saying Wilson flying in for medical, terms agreed on all sides.
£12 mill was the text I got from a Liverpool friend and avid reader of all their journos
According to UK media sources it is 10 million pounds which is maybe 12 million euros. They wanted 14 million pounds maybe we have offset the Elliot fee
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on July 24, 2021, 01:41:51 PM
If Rodak gets replaced again, I will be very disappointed.
Agreed
Also people need to stop throwing the word journalist around so casually, mostly in reference to 19 year olds with <50 Twitter followers
99% of the stuff on this thread is going to be complete rubbish, like the various manager rumours. Probably including this Gazzaniga rumour.
If Gazzaniga is coming and been assured number 1 then I'm not best pleased. But if he's being brought in to compete for number 1 it's fine by me because I've seen nothing to suggest he's a better goaly than Rody. Why did spurs release him? Surely better than Joe Hart?
Harry Wilson looks like a done deal.
Would be lying if I said I wasn't getting excited but as a Fulham fan I know I need to be cautious.
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on July 24, 2021, 06:23:01 AM
OK, so I know that a lot of people turn up their noses at all the advanced statistics and metrics that are now available, but some of them can be useful tools to help evaluate a player's strengths and weaknesses, and how their play can impact a game in ways that might not be obvious. There is a stat called "successful dribbles", which is when a player beats his marker and drives forward with the ball such that another player must then cover him. I believe that to qualify as successful, they must travel a minimum distance forward, which I think is 10 metres. Although it sounds like this should happen all the time with players all over the pitch, it is actually rather rare in real game situations in the Premier League.
In the 2020-21 Premier League season, Adama Traore led the league in successful dribbles. There were 2 players tied for 2nd; Andre-Frank Zambo Anguissa and Andre St. Maximin. there was a sizeable gap separating those 2 from the following players, Sadio Mane, and then Marcus Rashford. Raheem Sterling was 9th in the league, and Jack Grealish was 10th.
The great value that a successful dribble contributes is that it can destroy the defensive shape of the opposition. When 2 or 3 players converge to defend a player dribbling the ball, that inevitably leaves attacking players unmarked. and although it doesnt always lead directly to goals, it definitely leads to goal scoring opportunities for other players. If a player is surrounded by others who can take advantage of those opportunities, the goals will come.
For those who think that Anguissa has occasional flashes of eye-catching talent, but no end product, I think they may be missing what a lot of professional football people can see; that he can consistently produce those high level performances in the Premier League and La Liga, and if surrounded by the right players, he can contribute greatly to a team's overall possibility of success. That's why they value him so highly in the transfer market.
Your analysis is spot on and a large reason why Fulham should sell him unfortunately. People use the term luxury player to describe certain traits in a player. While I don't believe FZA is a "luxury" player, his presence on Fulham is a luxury that makes no sense. The talent around him does not play up his strengths and it is therefore wasted. The club would be be wise to sell him and re-invest in someone who will improve the team's fortunes over the next 2-3 seasons. Even though he is a fine player, FZA just does not do this.
Quote from: JEEVES on July 24, 2021, 02:24:39 PM
Would be lying if I said I wasn't getting excited but as a Fulham fan I know I need to be cautious.
Agreed, we mustn't mustn't get excited but just watched Harry Wilson highlights and my grandson said "with this squad we really should p::: this league 🎉🔥💪🎉 Think Harry is perfect for this (and if our ambition is attained) next season.
Quote from: Statto on July 24, 2021, 01:53:00 PM
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on July 24, 2021, 01:41:51 PM
If Rodak gets replaced again, I will be very disappointed.
Agreed
Also people need to stop throwing the word journalist around so casually, mostly in reference to 19 year olds with <50 Twitter followers
99% of the stuff on this thread is going to be complete rubbish, like the various manager rumours. Probably including this Gazzaniga rumour.
Actually statto, if you looked before criticising you will see it is mostly accredited journalists. I check before I post.
Quote from: bobby01 on July 24, 2021, 02:41:26 PM
Quote from: Statto on July 24, 2021, 01:53:00 PM
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on July 24, 2021, 01:41:51 PM
If Rodak gets replaced again, I will be very disappointed.
Agreed
Also people need to stop throwing the word journalist around so casually, mostly in reference to 19 year olds with <50 Twitter followers
99% of the stuff on this thread is going to be complete rubbish, like the various manager rumours. Probably including this Gazzaniga rumour.
Actually statto, if you looked before criticising you will see it is mostly accredited journalists. I check before I post.
Wasn't really aimed at you anyway though
Quote from: Fernhurst on July 24, 2021, 02:36:18 PM
Quote from: JEEVES on July 24, 2021, 02:24:39 PM
Would be lying if I said I wasn't getting excited but as a Fulham fan I know I need to be cautious.
Agreed, we mustn't mustn't get excited but just watched Harry Wilson highlights and my grandson said "with this squad we really should p::: this league 🎉🔥💪🎉 Think Harry is perfect for this (and if our ambition is attained) next season.
Agree, don't believe anything until it is on the OFAL
Quote from: Fernhurst on July 24, 2021, 02:36:18 PM
Quote from: JEEVES on July 24, 2021, 02:24:39 PM
Would be lying if I said I wasn't getting excited but as a Fulham fan I know I need to be cautious.
Agreed, we mustn't mustn't get excited but just watched Harry Wilson highlights and my grandson said "with this squad we really should p::: this league 🎉🔥💪🎉 Think Harry is perfect for this (and if our ambition is attained) next season.
Fernhurst - I watched Wilson's Hatrick for Cardiff last season. Outside of the boot lefty to lob the keeper followed by 2 great freekicks. We're really missing a winger with that sort of finess. I mean Cav and Tony Knockers (especially) have been poor so I'm looking forward to his arrival. I feel like I may have asked you this before but are you from Fernhurst? asking because nowadays i'm just down the road in Haslemere
StefJo is confirmed.
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on July 24, 2021, 06:23:01 AM
OK, so I know that a lot of people turn up their noses at all the advanced statistics and metrics that are now available, but some of them can be useful tools to help evaluate a player's strengths and weaknesses, and how their play can impact a game in ways that might not be obvious. There is a stat called "successful dribbles", which is when a player beats his marker and drives forward with the ball such that another player must then cover him. I believe that to qualify as successful, they must travel a minimum distance forward, which I think is 10 metres. Although it sounds like this should happen all the time with players all over the pitch, it is actually rather rare in real game situations in the Premier League.
In the 2020-21 Premier League season, Adama Traore led the league in successful dribbles. There were 2 players tied for 2nd; Andre-Frank Zambo Anguissa and Andre St. Maximin. there was a sizeable gap separating those 2 from the following players, Sadio Mane, and then Marcus Rashford. Raheem Sterling was 9th in the league, and Jack Grealish was 10th.
The great value that a successful dribble contributes is that it can destroy the defensive shape of the opposition. When 2 or 3 players converge to defend a player dribbling the ball, that inevitably leaves attacking players unmarked. and although it doesnt always lead directly to goals, it definitely leads to goal scoring opportunities for other players. If a player is surrounded by others who can take advantage of those opportunities, the goals will come.
For those who think that Anguissa has occasional flashes of eye-catching talent, but no end product, I think they may be missing what a lot of professional football people can see; that he can consistently produce those high level performances in the Premier League and La Liga, and if surrounded by the right players, he can contribute greatly to a team's overall possibility of success. That's why they value him so highly in the transfer market.
Excellent stuff and a lot more detailed than I was trying to explain
i see that Gazzinga (?) - who may or may not be having a medical - is a free agent after being released by Spuds - surely worth a punt as a freebie - i agree we have limited funds to spend (unless we sell) so not #1 priority but as a free agent ?
Wilson was on my list of players to get this summer- very happy with this signing if confirmed.
We still need a centre back, (presuming Zambo leaves) then 2 midfielders and a forward.
Quote from: LC on July 24, 2021, 03:15:05 PM
Wilson was on my list of players to get this summer- very happy with this signing if confirmed.
We still need a centre back, (presuming Zambo leaves) then 2 midfielders and a forward.
I think CB is one position we certainly don't need. We currently have 8 of them!
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 24, 2021, 03:18:01 PM
Quote from: LC on July 24, 2021, 03:15:05 PM
Wilson was on my list of players to get this summer- very happy with this signing if confirmed.
We still need a centre back, (presuming Zambo leaves) then 2 midfielders and a forward.
I think CB is one position we certainly don't need. We currently have 8 of them!
agreed well at least 6 depending where you class Odoi unless ive miscounted
Tosin, opuku, mawson, hector, Ream, Kongolo,
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on July 24, 2021, 01:41:51 PM
If Rodak gets replaced again, I will be very disappointed.
My feelings too. I suspect this is cover not like Areola . Spurs let his contract run out & have signed anther cover keeper from Atalanta. I think Rodak is a brilliant shot stopper but I hope watching the Frenchman for a year has improved his kicking. He's not a natural in that department
Quote from: JEEVES on July 24, 2021, 02:52:26 PM
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Would be lying if I said I wasn't getting excited but as a Fulham fan I know I need to be cautious.
Agreed, we mustn't mustn't get excited but just watched Harry Wilson highlights and my grandson said "with this squad we really should p::: this league 🎉🔥💪🎉 Think Harry is perfect for this (and if our ambition is attained) next season.
Fernhurst - I watched Wilson's Hatrick for Cardiff last season. Outside of the boot lefty to lob the keeper followed by 2 great freekicks. We're really missing a winger with that sort of finess. I mean Cav and Tony Knockers (especially) have been poor so I'm looking forward to his arrival. I feel like I may have asked you this before but are you from Fernhurst? asking because nowadays i'm just down the road in Haslemere
Hi Jeeves
I know Fernhurst and Haslemere very well as I grew up and started work in Guildford, however my tag is due to the fact I was born in FERNHURST ROAD FULHAM.
Quote from: Ivorwasgod on July 24, 2021, 03:27:40 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 24, 2021, 03:18:01 PM
Quote from: LC on July 24, 2021, 03:15:05 PM
Wilson was on my list of players to get this summer- very happy with this signing if confirmed.
We still need a centre back, (presuming Zambo leaves) then 2 midfielders and a forward.
I think CB is one position we certainly don't need. We currently have 8 of them!
agreed well at least 6 depending where you class Odoi unless ive miscounted
Tosin, opuku, mawson, hector, Ream, Kongolo,
The only reliable centre back on the books is Tosin so I see what LC is saying. That said even Tosin had a wobble in the run in last season. Kongolo and Mawson are both decent but will they ever be injury free. Opoku is untried at the level so only the coaching staff know if he is ready for the Championship. If Hector can recreate his form pre-COVID, albeit he did have a decent game in the play off final he may be ok but what we saw last season was not good. Ream has some positives but there is always a mistake in his game whilst Odoi is not predominantly a centre back. Then there is Le Marchand who has been poor. I would hope from within this group Silva is able to mould a solid partnership. Think there are other areas that need addressing first but an area we would have to strengthen in the longer term.
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Quote from: JEEVES on July 24, 2021, 02:52:26 PM
Quote from: Fernhurst on July 24, 2021, 02:36:18 PM
Quote from: JEEVES on July 24, 2021, 02:24:39 PM
Would be lying if I said I wasn't getting excited but as a Fulham fan I know I need to be cautious.
Agreed, we mustn't mustn't get excited but just watched Harry Wilson highlights and my grandson said "with this squad we really should p::: this league 🎉🔥💪🎉 Think Harry is perfect for this (and if our ambition is attained) next season.
Fernhurst - I watched Wilson's Hatrick for Cardiff last season. Outside of the boot lefty to lob the keeper followed by 2 great freekicks. We're really missing a winger with that sort of finess. I mean Cav and Tony Knockers (especially) have been poor so I'm looking forward to his arrival. I feel like I may have asked you this before but are you from Fernhurst? asking because nowadays i'm just down the road in Haslemere
Hi Jeeves
I know Fernhurst and Haslemere very well as I grew up and started work in Guildford, however my tag is due to the fact I was born in FERNHURST ROAD FULHAM.
I was born in Haslemere in 1950
On my last visit to the UK me, my wife and my brother toured Haslemere
and a guy at the Cottage Hospital showed me the room where
I was born, although it was no longer a maternity ward.
Haslemere has an interestig link to the US. James Ogelthorpe was the
Member of Parliament for haslemere and subsequently the first Governor
of Georgia USA in the 1670's.
Interesting family things !! The bells at St Stephens, Shottermil hadn't rung for many years.
My cousin Terry Vale put speakers in the tower and the bells rang at his sister, Heathers wedding.
By coincidence, my niece has just moved to Haslmere
"LEMINA LEAVES SOUTHAMPTON
Mario Lemina has joined Ligue 1 side Nice from Southampton.
The Gabon international was a big money signing for the Saints in 2017, but spent last season on loan at Fulham."
I was a bigger fan of Lamina than most, and am sad we weren't able to keep him. Glad he's gone to a Nice club 😉
haha wow amazing! I'm originally from Esher, born in Kingston upon thames but ended up here. Watched the euro final in the shottermill club which is about 100 yards from my house. Any way, I won't ask again now Fernhurst! Also these lot probably ain't got a clue what we're on about! On with the transfer news.. Any developments?
Most of my family lived in Cherry Tree Avenue and The Avenue (up Lion Lane)
I was there until I was 4 and we moved to Feltham.
We used to play football in a field in Lion Lane, the slope was about 8/10 feet (if I remember)
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Quote from: Fernhurst on July 24, 2021, 03:40:27 PM
Quote from: JEEVES on July 24, 2021, 02:52:26 PM
Quote from: Fernhurst on July 24, 2021, 02:36:18 PM
Quote from: JEEVES on July 24, 2021, 02:24:39 PM
Would be lying if I said I wasn't getting excited but as a Fulham fan I know I need to be cautious.
Agreed, we mustn't mustn't get excited but just watched Harry Wilson highlights and my grandson said "with this squad we really should p::: this league 🎉🔥💪🎉 Think Harry is perfect for this (and if our ambition is attained) next season.
Fernhurst - I watched Wilson's Hatrick for Cardiff last season. Outside of the boot lefty to lob the keeper followed by 2 great freekicks. We're really missing a winger with that sort of finess. I mean Cav and Tony Knockers (especially) have been poor so I'm looking forward to his arrival. I feel like I may have asked you this before but are you from Fernhurst? asking because nowadays i'm just down the road in Haslemere
Hi Jeeves
I know Fernhurst and Haslemere very well as I grew up and started work in Guildford, however my tag is due to the fact I was born in FERNHURST ROAD FULHAM.
I was born in Haslemere in 1950
On my last visit to the UK me, my wife and my brother toured Haslemere
and a guy at the Cottage Hospital showed me the room where
I was born, although it was no longer a maternity ward.
Haslemere has an interestig link to the US. James Ogelthorpe was the
Member of Parliament for haslemere and subsequently the first Governor
of Georgia USA in the 1670's.
Interesting family things !! The bells at St Stephens, Shottermil hadn't rung for many years.
My cousin Terry Vale put speakers in the tower and the bells rang at his sister, Heathers wedding.
By coincidence, my niece has just moved to Haslmere
Steeple Dorset
The American Connection
Agnes, heiress of the Washington family and ancestor of George Washington, the first President of the United States of America, married Edmund Lawrence, whose family (as did hers) originated from the Duchy of Lancaster. In 1540 the Lawrences moved to Steeple, while a descendant of the Washingtons, John, settled in Virginia, and became the great grandfather of George Washington.
The Stars and Stripes of the American flag were derived from the quartering of the arms of the Lawrences of Steeple and the Washingtons. These are seen in a number of places in St Michael and All Angels, Steeple. There is a stone memorial mural tablet over the east doorway of the north transept, another in the main porch and bosses on the barrel ceiling of the nave.
A later American connection with Steeple was during the Second World War (1939-1945), when British and American troops trained for the Normandy landings in the requisitioned Purbeck coast, when many Americans worshipped in the church o f Steeple; ahead of their fearsome ordeal.
In more recent years Steeple was presented with the Washington flag by the Mayor of Washington, which is hung in the church.
We give a very special and warm welcome to our American cousins and hope they will be interested by Steeple's historic connection with their first President.
The Washington quartering (stars and stripes) is derived from the marriage of Edmund Lawrence and Agnes, heiress of the Washington family. Their descendant was Sir Edward Lawrence of Creech Grange, whose initials with the date 1616, are on the armorial tablet at St Michael and All Angels Church, Steeple. The first President of the United States descended from the younger branch of [he Washington family whose arms appear on this armorial tablet.
Quote from: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on July 24, 2021, 05:24:56 PM
Most of my family lived in Cherry Tree Avenue and The Avenue (up Lion Lane)
I was there until I was 4 and we moved to Feltham.
We used to play football in a field in Lion Lane, the slope was about 8/10 feet (if I remember)
Familiar with all of it. I've just PM'd you
Mike Biereth has signed for Arsenal so that's why he didn't renew his contract with us then
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 24, 2021, 06:13:28 PM
Mike Biereth has signed for Arsenal so that's why he didn't renew his contract with us then
Bad news losing academy prospects like that. Do we get any compensation for his development?
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Quote from: Deeping_white on July 24, 2021, 06:13:28 PM
Mike Biereth has signed for Arsenal so that's why he didn't renew his contract with us then
Another with bad guidance, bet he never starts for them, another waste of talent
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Quote from: Deeping_white on July 24, 2021, 06:13:28 PM
Mike Biereth has signed for Arsenal so that's why he didn't renew his contract with us then
Bad news losing academy prospects like that. Do we get any compensation for his development?
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Yeah think so as it's the same situation as Harvey Elliot but we'll get about £60 compensation for him as he never made a first team appearance, even though his stats for the U18's were insane last season
I'll only be gutted once one of these players actually goes on to be a proper good player. Still yet to see it. Gutted when Patrick Roberts left, gutted when dembele left, gutted when adeniran left, gutted when sess left, gutted when Elliott left. Don't really care that much any more. I like the look of carvalho, if man Utd signed him tomorrow I'd have money on him never playing a senior game for them.
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Quote from: Deeping_white on July 24, 2021, 06:13:28 PM
Mike Biereth has signed for Arsenal so that's why he didn't renew his contract with us then
Another with bad guidance, bet he never starts for them, another waste of talent
Maybe.
I don't really see it as a particularly difficult decision for him. Arsenal are an attractive proposition and, even if he doesn't come on as hoped, the money is presumably pretty good.
He was a good prospect for us and it is a pity he has moved on.
Age 18 he has played 37 times for the u18s and scored 25 goals - an excellent return for a centre-forward.
But Jay Stansfield, also 18 and a centre-forward, turned out 27 times for the u18s and scored 31. Maybe Mika thought the competition was a little too hot for him here.
Quote from: Whitestone on July 24, 2021, 03:49:07 PM
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Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 24, 2021, 03:18:01 PM
Quote from: LC on July 24, 2021, 03:15:05 PM
Wilson was on my list of players to get this summer- very happy with this signing if confirmed.
We still need a centre back, (presuming Zambo leaves) then 2 midfielders and a forward.
I think CB is one position we certainly don't need. We currently have 8 of them!
agreed well at least 6 depending where you class Odoi unless ive miscounted
Tosin, opuku, mawson, hector, Ream, Kongolo,
The only reliable centre back on the books is Tosin so I see what LC is saying. That said even Tosin had a wobble in the run in last season. Kongolo and Mawson are both decent but will they ever be injury free. Opoku is untried at the level so only the coaching staff know if he is ready for the Championship. If Hector can recreate his form pre-COVID, albeit he did have a decent game in the play off final he may be ok but what we saw last season was not good. Ream has some positives but there is always a mistake in his game whilst Odoi is not predominantly a centre back. Then there is Le Marchand who has been poor. I would hope from within this group Silva is able to mould a solid partnership. Think there are other areas that need addressing first but an area we would have to strengthen in the longer term.
Exactly my thoughts.
Mawson and Kongolo are unreliable and will not last the season. I like Ream but he isn't PL quality- i hear a lot of people on here keep saying that we need to build a PL team- Ream at the age of 33 does not fit that model for me, but I would certainly keep him for the Championship. I would absolutely be looking to bring in a centre back who is capable of making the step up to the PL, I would go for someone like Helik from Bransley to start alongside Tosin.
That way you would have Tosin, Helik, Hector and Ream. That would give us strong depth. I'm basically looking to build a team to win the championship, you can't do that without strength in depth.
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Quote from: Whitestone on July 24, 2021, 03:49:07 PM
Quote from: Ivorwasgod on July 24, 2021, 03:27:40 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 24, 2021, 03:18:01 PM
Quote from: LC on July 24, 2021, 03:15:05 PM
Wilson was on my list of players to get this summer- very happy with this signing if confirmed.
We still need a centre back, (presuming Zambo leaves) then 2 midfielders and a forward.
I think CB is one position we certainly don't need. We currently have 8 of them!
agreed well at least 6 depending where you class Odoi unless ive miscounted
Tosin, opuku, mawson, hector, Ream, Kongolo,
The only reliable centre back on the books is Tosin so I see what LC is saying. That said even Tosin had a wobble in the run in last season. Kongolo and Mawson are both decent but will they ever be injury free. Opoku is untried at the level so only the coaching staff know if he is ready for the Championship. If Hector can recreate his form pre-COVID, albeit he did have a decent game in the play off final he may be ok but what we saw last season was not good. Ream has some positives but there is always a mistake in his game whilst Odoi is not predominantly a centre back. Then there is Le Marchand who has been poor. I would hope from within this group Silva is able to mould a solid partnership. Think there are other areas that need addressing first but an area we would have to strengthen in the longer term.
Exactly my thoughts.
Mawson and Kongolo are unreliable and will not last the season. I like Ream but he isn't PL quality- i hear a lot of people on here keep saying that we need to build a PL team- Ream at the age of 33 does not fit that model for me, but I would certainly keep him for the Championship. I would absolutely be looking to bring in a centre back who is capable of making the step up to the PL, I would go for someone like Helik from Bransley to start alongside Tosin.
That way you would have Tosin, Helik, Hector and Ream. That would give us strong depth. I'm basically looking to build a team to win the championship, you can't do that without strength in depth.
In my eyes Hector was bad in the prem i.e he's not up to prem standard, fact. But in the championship, he was quality. We wouldn't have got promoted without him coming in January and we probably would have got automatics of we had him at the start of the season. He wasn't AS good after covid but why does everyone keep saying he was bad? After a few bad games we went on a good run, defence was solid. He made an unbelievable tackle against Cardiff in the playoffs and then dealt with Watkins and benrahma all game in the final.
Quote from: JEEVES on July 24, 2021, 01:56:53 PM
If Gazzaniga is coming and been assured number 1 then I'm not best pleased. But if he's being brought in to compete for number 1 it's fine by me because I've seen nothing to suggest he's a better goaly than Rody. Why did spurs release him? Surely better than Joe Hart?
But Hart is a UK player which is really attractive for a sub GK. Same reason so many clubs are chasing Betts.
Quote from: St. Andrews White on July 24, 2021, 06:14:45 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 24, 2021, 06:13:28 PM
Mike Biereth has signed for Arsenal so that's why he didn't renew his contract with us then
Bad news losing academy prospects like that. Do we get any compensation for his development?
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We've been linked with Reiss Nelson on a season long loan from Arsenal today, maybe this loan is linked with Biereth going
Quote from: Riversider on July 24, 2021, 08:24:05 PM
Quote from: St. Andrews White on July 24, 2021, 06:14:45 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 24, 2021, 06:13:28 PM
Mike Biereth has signed for Arsenal so that's why he didn't renew his contract with us then
Bad news losing academy prospects like that. Do we get any compensation for his development?
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We've been linked with Reiss Nelson on a season long loan from Arsenal today, maybe this loan is linked with Biereth going
Is Nelson actually any good? Seem to recall a bit of buzz about him a couple of years ago but he barely featured last season and they didn't exactly have a deep squad.
Quote from: Riversider on July 24, 2021, 08:24:05 PM
Quote from: St. Andrews White on July 24, 2021, 06:14:45 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 24, 2021, 06:13:28 PM
Mike Biereth has signed for Arsenal so that's why he didn't renew his contract with us then
Bad news losing academy prospects like that. Do we get any compensation for his development?
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We've been linked with Reiss Nelson on a season long loan from Arsenal today, maybe this loan is linked with Biereth going
where do you see Reiss Nelson links?
Quote from: Pluto on July 24, 2021, 08:33:46 PM
Quote from: Riversider on July 24, 2021, 08:24:05 PM
Quote from: St. Andrews White on July 24, 2021, 06:14:45 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 24, 2021, 06:13:28 PM
Mike Biereth has signed for Arsenal so that's why he didn't renew his contract with us then
Bad news losing academy prospects like that. Do we get any compensation for his development?
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We've been linked with Reiss Nelson on a season long loan from Arsenal today, maybe this loan is linked with Biereth going
Is Nelson actually any good? Seem to recall a bit of buzz about him a couple of years ago but he barely featured last season and they didn't exactly have a deep squad.
He is another winger. Surely if this and Wilson happens we will be off loading some of our current wingers
Quote from: JEEVES on July 24, 2021, 07:17:49 PM
In my eyes Hector was bad in the prem i.e he's not up to prem standard, fact. But in the championship, he was quality. We wouldn't have got promoted without him coming in January and we probably would have got automatics of we had him at the start of the season. He wasn't AS good after covid but why does everyone keep saying he was bad? After a few bad games we went on a good run, defence was solid. He made an unbelievable tackle against Cardiff in the playoffs and then dealt with Watkins and benrahma all game in the final.
Agree with all this except the first sentence about him in the PL. He played 3 games so remains substantially untested at that level. If Tosin has played in those first few games with Rodak and Ream instead of Areola and Anderson he would have looked equally clueless, "fact".
I've noticed we have started intergrated youth players earlier which is a good sign to late for Milan.The sad thing and I have seen him play he is better than Bowie and we paid money for him.
I ment mika
Looks like Anderson might be joining Palace
Quote from: spikey norman on July 24, 2021, 09:29:24 PM
Looks like Anderson might be joining Palace
Tell me you're jokin?
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Quote from: JEEVES on July 24, 2021, 07:17:49 PM
In my eyes Hector was bad in the prem i.e he's not up to prem standard, fact. But in the championship, he was quality. We wouldn't have got promoted without him coming in January and we probably would have got automatics of we had him at the start of the season. He wasn't AS good after covid but why does everyone keep saying he was bad? After a few bad games we went on a good run, defence was solid. He made an unbelievable tackle against Cardiff in the playoffs and then dealt with Watkins and benrahma all game in the final.
Agree with all this except the first sentence about him in the PL. He played 3 games so remains substantially untested at that level. If Tosin has played in those first few games with Rodak and Ream instead of Areola and Anderson he would have looked equally clueless, "fact".
I actually agree with the majority of the stuff you say. You're right he didn't really get a fair crack but.. That Brentford cup game.. That did it for me.
Quote from: JEEVES on July 24, 2021, 09:40:53 PM
Quote from: spikey norman on July 24, 2021, 09:29:24 PM
Looks like Anderson might be joining Palace
Tell me you're jokin?
Mail on line reporting that Palace have moved above Spurs in race to sign Anderson for £20 million
Wilson and Gazzaniga both now confirmed by the club
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 24, 2021, 10:03:57 PM
Wilson and Gazzaniga both now confirmed by the club
Wilson will start but who will start as our No. 1 Keeper?
Like Wilson and Gazz
Seems fairly universal that on paper they should be part of a team that can challenge.
Would like Nielsen aswell so we can move on one of Knockaert, Cav or Kebano
Then I'd love a quality AM in case Tom cant stay fit and a striker and I'd say that's business done
Perhaps Fabio can step up to the plate though. Would be great for one of the youth to push on ala Sess... maybe even some Stansfield off the bench!
Palace pal of mine is suggesting that they are sniffing around Zambo, as well as well down the track with the signing of Andersen.
For those interested in FFP, found this on the BBC in an article about Harry Kane's possible move to City.
City are one of the few clubs who do have some flexibility with their spending, with their financial muscle having shielded them from the worst of the pandemic.
And if you're wondering about the impact of Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules, Uefa has already decided financial statements for 2020 and 2021 will be rolled up into a single accounting period because of the huge impact of the coronavirus pandemic.
Silva talking about "competition for places", how important it was to have more than one player in a position and how we are looking to sign more players in the post Southampton video would suggest that we are looking to sign a striker, would be encouraging for the Muniz rumours. Muniz seems to be in a fairly similar mould to Mitro.
Hope it also means that Gazzaniga isn't signed as a guaranteed starter over Rodak.
Quote from: I Ronic on July 25, 2021, 12:04:30 PM
For those interested in FFP, found this on the BBC in an article about Harry Kane's possible move to City.
City are one of the few clubs who do have some flexibility with their spending, with their financial muscle having shielded them from the worst of the pandemic.
And if you're wondering about the impact of Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules, Uefa has already decided financial statements for 2020 and 2021 will be rolled up into a single accounting period because of the huge impact of the coronavirus pandemic.
with what impact on us would you say?
The body governing our FFP woes would be the EFL, not UEFA, so it doesn't have much to do with us.
Daily Mail reporting that Matt Grimes is on his way this week, clears the way I guess for the elusive Harrison Reed to sadly move on .
Quote from: Riversider on July 25, 2021, 08:35:33 PM
Daily Mail reporting that Matt Grimes is on his way this week, clears the way I guess for the elusive Harrison Reed to sadly move on .
Not really, two different sort of players and we're already short of numbers there so no way we let two CM's (including our best one) leave in a week and only bring one in
Quote from: Riversider on July 25, 2021, 08:35:33 PM
Daily Mail reporting that Matt Grimes is on his way this week, clears the way I guess for the elusive Harrison Reed to sadly move on .
Grimes will be the johansen repalcement. I still expect Zambo to go. Reed is not fit yet either which will stop any move away
WSW do you know if there is any truth in the rumour that Rodak has asked to leave eon loan or permanently? Mate of mine said he had heard he was being linked to Cardiff, dont get me wrong not sure how he would now as he has no links to FFC and is a Forest fan
Quote from: junior white on July 25, 2021, 09:30:33 PM
WSW do you know if there is any truth in the rumour that Rodak has asked to leave eon loan or permanently? Mate of mine said he had heard he was being linked to Cardiff, dont get me wrong not sure how he would now as he has no links to FFC and is a Forest fan
Not heard that, I'll try and find out. Seems Cardiff would an odd one as they have Alex Smithies. I'll try and find out
Quote from: junior white on July 25, 2021, 09:30:33 PM
WSW do you know if there is any truth in the rumour that Rodak has asked to leave eon loan or permanently? Mate of mine said he had heard he was being linked to Cardiff, dont get me wrong not sure how he would now as he has no links to FFC and is a Forest fan
Neither of my mates that give me info have heard that one....apparently he's relishing the challenge with Gazzaniga
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 25, 2021, 09:41:05 PM
Quote from: junior white on July 25, 2021, 09:30:33 PM
WSW do you know if there is any truth in the rumour that Rodak has asked to leave eon loan or permanently? Mate of mine said he had heard he was being linked to Cardiff, dont get me wrong not sure how he would now as he has no links to FFC and is a Forest fan
Neither of my mates that give me info have heard that one....apparently he's relishing the challenge with Gazzaniga
Cool thanks
Wsw .not asking you to name names and i understand that you are putting you hand out to be slapped (so to speak)but from what you know is there anyting else in the pipeline or close ,even just position wise can you tell us
Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on July 25, 2021, 11:00:45 PM
Wsw .not asking you to name names and i understand that you are putting you hand out to be slapped (so to speak)but from what you know is there anyting else in the pipeline or close ,even just position wise can you tell us
1 possibly outgoing I have heard is that Palace MAY be lining a bid up for Anguissa. We are Likely to have a bid for a back up striker in in next few days too but cannot give name currently as I haven't been told it yet. Then the only incomings I would expect are to replace significant outgoings, Silva happy we only need 4 players currently.
Quote from: Caedal on July 24, 2021, 05:01:44 PM
"LEMINA LEAVES SOUTHAMPTON
Mario Lemina has joined Ligue 1 side Nice from Southampton.
The Gabon international was a big money signing for the Saints in 2017, but spent last season on loan at Fulham."
I was a bigger fan of Lamina than most, and am sad we weren't able to keep him. Glad he's gone to a Nice club 😉
In the words of that Morgana show douchey fellow "adios amigo".
I liked Lemina tbh, and more so if we had a loan with a view to sign. But he was no Moussa Dembele. Next.
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Quote from: Caedal on July 24, 2021, 05:01:44 PM
"LEMINA LEAVES SOUTHAMPTON
Mario Lemina has joined Ligue 1 side Nice from Southampton.
The Gabon international was a big money signing for the Saints in 2017, but spent last season on loan at Fulham."
I was a bigger fan of Lamina than most, and am sad we weren't able to keep him. Glad he's gone to a Nice club 😉
In the words of that Morgana show douchey fellow "adios amigo".
I liked Lemina tbh, and more so if we had a loan with a view to sign. But he was no Moussa Dembele. Next.
I liked him, pity we couldn't keep him, thought he always put in a good effort, with a good level of skill.
As for Zambo, i feel he is a bit of an enigma. He does have a languid style, which is probably deceptive.
Obviously had great natural talent, like RLC perhaps (!), but did he bust a gut in games when we needed every player to bust a gut? in the way that Reed obviously did.
Though could be lot to do with our style of play, and the quality of the prem opposition.
The feeling seems to be that he will leave anyway.
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Quote from: The Rock on July 26, 2021, 02:43:32 AM
Quote from: Caedal on July 24, 2021, 05:01:44 PM
"LEMINA LEAVES SOUTHAMPTON
Mario Lemina has joined Ligue 1 side Nice from Southampton.
The Gabon international was a big money signing for the Saints in 2017, but spent last season on loan at Fulham."
I was a bigger fan of Lamina than most, and am sad we weren't able to keep him. Glad he's gone to a Nice club 😉
In the words of that Morgana show douchey fellow "adios amigo".
I liked Lemina tbh, and more so if we had a loan with a view to sign. But he was no Moussa Dembele. Next.
I liked him, pity we couldn't keep him, thought he always put in a good effort, with a good level of skill.
As for Zambo, i feel he is a bit of an enigma. He does have a languid style, which is probably deceptive.
but did he bust a gut in games when we needed every player to bust a gut? in the way that Reed obviously did.
Well, I watched him play and I don't get the "he don't like it up em" type posts. I saw a player tracking back and winning possession. just checked the stats, which are readily available and on a per match basis, Zambo performs better than Reed on (tackles won, loose balls won, aerial duels won, blocks, interceptions)
Now, on top of that he has pretty stunning attacking stats. I guess we will lose him and we will be a weaker team because of it. If some of you judge a player on how he holds himself and runs round the pitch shaking his fist and geeing up the crowd, then you're going to be up in arms with Harry Wilson. God, what will you think of him?
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"LEMINA LEAVES SOUTHAMPTON
Mario Lemina has joined Ligue 1 side Nice from Southampton.
The Gabon international was a big money signing for the Saints in 2017, but spent last season on loan at Fulham."
I was a bigger fan of Lamina than most, and am sad we weren't able to keep him. Glad he's gone to a Nice club 😉
In the words of that Morgana show douchey fellow "adios amigo".
I liked Lemina tbh, and more so if we had a loan with a view to sign. But he was no Moussa Dembele. Next.
I liked him, pity we couldn't keep him, thought he always put in a good effort, with a good level of skill.
As for Zambo, i feel he is a bit of an enigma. He does have a languid style, which is probably deceptive.
but did he bust a gut in games when we needed every player to bust a gut? in the way that Reed obviously did.
Well, I watched him play and I don't get the "he don't like it up em" type posts. I saw a player tracking back and winning possession. just checked the stats, which are readily available and on a per match basis, Zambo performs better than Reed on (tackles won, loose balls won, aerial duels won, blocks, interceptions)
Now, on top of that he has pretty stunning attacking stats. I guess we will lose him and we will be a weaker team because of it. If some of you judge a player on how he holds himself and runs round the pitch shaking his fist and geeing up the crowd, then you're going to be up in arms with Harry Wilson. God, what will you think of him?
I think with Zambo, even for his good qualities and impact, there is often a sense of how much more he could achieve. With Reed, you get the feeling he squeezes every ounce of impact he's capable of out of himself. The other real regret with Zambo is there is not enough end product. When he's on form, he uses his body incredibly well to win back possession, hold off players, take the ball and team up the pitch, but there are not enough goals and assists.
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Quote from: Caedal on July 24, 2021, 05:01:44 PM
"LEMINA LEAVES SOUTHAMPTON
Mario Lemina has joined Ligue 1 side Nice from Southampton.
The Gabon international was a big money signing for the Saints in 2017, but spent last season on loan at Fulham."
I was a bigger fan of Lamina than most, and am sad we weren't able to keep him. Glad he's gone to a Nice club 😉
In the words of that Morgana show douchey fellow "adios amigo".
I liked Lemina tbh, and more so if we had a loan with a view to sign. But he was no Moussa Dembele. Next.
I liked him, pity we couldn't keep him, thought he always put in a good effort, with a good level of skill.
As for Zambo, i feel he is a bit of an enigma. He does have a languid style, which is probably deceptive.
but did he bust a gut in games when we needed every player to bust a gut? in the way that Reed obviously did.
Well, I watched him play and I don't get the "he don't like it up em" type posts. I saw a player tracking back and winning possession. just checked the stats, which are readily available and on a per match basis, Zambo performs better than Reed on (tackles won, loose balls won, aerial duels won, blocks, interceptions)
Now, on top of that he has pretty stunning attacking stats. I guess we will lose him and we will be a weaker team because of it. If some of you judge a player on how he holds himself and runs round the pitch shaking his fist and geeing up the crowd, then you're going to be up in arms with Harry Wilson. God, what will you think of him?
Obviously a different type of player to Reed, but
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Quote from: Caedal on July 24, 2021, 05:01:44 PM
"LEMINA LEAVES SOUTHAMPTON
Mario Lemina has joined Ligue 1 side Nice from Southampton.
The Gabon international was a big money signing for the Saints in 2017, but spent last season on loan at Fulham."
I was a bigger fan of Lamina than most, and am sad we weren't able to keep him. Glad he's gone to a Nice club 😉
In the words of that Morgana show douchey fellow "adios amigo".
I liked Lemina tbh, and more so if we had a loan with a view to sign. But he was no Moussa Dembele. Next.
I liked him, pity we couldn't keep him, thought he always put in a good effort, with a good level of skill.
As for Zambo, i feel he is a bit of an enigma. He does have a languid style, which is probably deceptive.
but did he bust a gut in games when we needed every player to bust a gut? in the way that Reed obviously did.
Well, I watched him play and I don't get the "he don't like it up em" type posts. I saw a player tracking back and winning possession. just checked the stats, which are readily available and on a per match basis, Zambo performs better than Reed on (tackles won, loose balls won, aerial duels won, blocks, interceptions)
Now, on top of that he has pretty stunning attacking stats. I guess we will lose him and we will be a weaker team because of it. If some of you judge a player on how he holds himself and runs round the pitch shaking his fist and geeing up the crowd, then you're going to be up in arms with Harry Wilson. God, what will you think of him?
I think with Zambo, even for his good qualities and impact, there is often a sense of how much more he could achieve. With Reed, you get the feeling he squeezes every ounce of impact he's capable of out of himself. The other real regret with Zambo is there is not enough end product. When he's on form, he uses his body incredibly well to win back possession, hold off players, take the ball and team up the pitch, but there are not enough goals and assists.
Exactly - I was making a point that he maybe didn't live up to to his obvious potential, like RLC, whom I often defended on here.
I did say that appearances could be deceptive, and i was going to speak of a home game, though i couldn't remember the opponent -but it was home to Everton - when Anguissa and RLC seemed to take over the game in the second half, powering a great attacking display, where RLC scored, and we nearly got a point, but sadly we didn't see that again, certainly from RLC.
Similar to Seri, at home to Brighton , when he helped along with Cairney, us to win a game in which we were two down at half -time. But we didn't see that level of performance again from Seri for whatver reason. Obviously, he has potential though.
But Anguissa was a lot more successful for us in the Prem than Seri, but we, sadly didn't see the outcome from his in terms of goals, though he often got himself in in great positrons, like RLC, and like all our forwards.
Shouting, and working hard,' busting a gut' for the team, like Reed, doesn't necessarily mean a good player, but maybe shows a level of commitment rather than just a being a solid professional.
Though, appearances can be deceptive, which was partly my point, and i do agree that fans can't always tell how committed a player is - most of them actually do their best.
Arter is a prime example of a player that gets overrated because he looks like he is working hard. Johansen getting dropped for him was a big slap in the face.
Quote from: Tabby on July 26, 2021, 09:35:03 AM
Arter is a prime example of a player that gets overrated because he looks like he is working hard. Johansen getting dropped for him was a big slap in the face.
Johansen was also that type of player too wasn't he? and obviously di a great job for Fulham.
I liked Arter too, with his commitment and aggression, and thought much of the criticism was undeserved.
You could say that Kamara is similar - wears his heart on his sleeve, and Reed too, one of our most effective players last season.
You need those types of players in your team, as well as the more thoughtful types, like Cairney .
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Arter is a prime example of a player that gets overrated because he looks like he is working hard. Johansen getting dropped for him was a big slap in the face.
Johansen was also that type of player too wasn't he? and obviously di a great job for Fulham.
I liked Arter too, with his commitment and aggression, and thought much of the criticism was undeserved.
You could say that Kamara is similar - wears his heart on his sleeve, and Reed too, one of our most effective players last season.
You need those types of players in your team, as well as the more thoughtful types, like Cairney .
Johansen is the better technical player out of him and Arter, better passing and more creative.
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Arter is a prime example of a player that gets overrated because he looks like he is working hard. Johansen getting dropped for him was a big slap in the face.
Johansen was also that type of player too wasn't he? and obviously di a great job for Fulham.
I liked Arter too, with his commitment and aggression, and thought much of the criticism was undeserved.
You could say that Kamara is similar - wears his heart on his sleeve, and Reed too, one of our most effective players last season.
You need those types of players in your team, as well as the more thoughtful types, like Cairney .
Johansen is the better technical player out of him and Arter, better passing and more creative.
StefJo also a goal threat from midfield too. Had a knack of timing his runs in to the box.
Quote from: Tabby on July 26, 2021, 09:35:03 AM
Arter is a prime example of a player that gets overrated because he looks like he is working hard. Johansen getting dropped for him was a big slap in the face.
Agreed and I actually would say at times Reed has been over-egged on the same basis. Although I do accept he has become a very good player now
Kamara's 4£mill to aris salonika has broken down.
Quote from: bobby01 on July 26, 2021, 03:50:06 PM
Kamara's 4£mill to aris salonika has broken down.
Interesting that it seems hes on the way out though. Clearly Silva not impressed
Could have been linking up with none other than Kostas Mitroglue there! ha
IF we do get grimes it seems one of his main tricks in his arsenal is the long crossfield ball out wild. Looks like the Deep lying creative player who plays along the more Dogged CDM whilst still being fairly robust there himself. Loves to ping a ball out wide and move the attack forward quicker from deep so I suspect the wings are gonna see plemty of action this season. Sensible given Mitro seems to have the most success when we get to the byline with our wingers/fullbacks
£4 million for Kamara? Not surprised that transfer has fallen through. Grossly overpriced. Still it looks as if the club has decided to move him on.
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£4 million for Kamara? Not surprised that transfer has fallen through. Grossly overpriced. Still it looks as if the club has decided to move him on.
He is probably worth £2m tops. In all honesty I don't think Aris Thessaloniki offered anything near £4m for him. Their record transfer fee is £1.17m, second highest £900k and third highest £612k (according to Transfermarkt)!
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Kamara's 4£mill to aris salonika has broken down.
Interesting that it seems hes on the way out though. Clearly Silva not impressed
Could have been linking up with none other than Kostas Mitroglue there! ha
IF we do get grimes it seems one of his main tricks in his arsenal is the long crossfield ball out wild. Looks like the Deep lying creative player who plays along the more Dogged CDM whilst still being fairly robust there himself. Loves to ping a ball out wide and move the attack forward quicker from deep so I suspect the wings are gonna see plemty of action this season. Sensible given Mitro seems to have the most success when we get to the byline with our wingers/fullbacks
We need the money if the FFP numbers bandied about are to be believed, he has feature din pore season think he scored as well. So not sure if Silva isn't impressed but wants funds for elsewhere. Look at Wilson that now seems to be a loan with an obligation to buy rather than a straight buy so we must be pretty tight financially
The FFP numbers that keep being quoted are for the season PRIOR to our premier league season. Last year we earn at least £130m from TV deals alone. Plus prize money. Plus parachute payments. There is no way we're in any danger FFP wise
Quote from: Caedal on July 26, 2021, 06:41:51 PM
The FFP numbers that keep being quoted are for the season PRIOR to our premier league season. Last year we earn at least £130m from TV deals alone. Plus prize money. Plus parachute payments. There is no way we're in any danger FFP wise
If thats the case then fine but I am not sure it is, especially if we look ahead and say we do not go up this season
Quote from: Caedal on July 26, 2021, 06:41:51 PM
The FFP numbers that keep being quoted are for the season PRIOR to our premier league season. Last year we earn at least £130m from TV deals alone. Plus prize money. Plus parachute payments. There is no way we're in any danger FFP wise
Guessing you haven't heard the podcast? Hope FoF mods don't mind? It'll explain why you are wrong there & why we are perilously close to the limit, hence the "creative" way we're going about recruitment. Bloke is a good pal of mine & knows FFP inside out
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Quote from: Caedal on July 26, 2021, 06:41:51 PM
The FFP numbers that keep being quoted are for the season PRIOR to our premier league season. Last year we earn at least £130m from TV deals alone. Plus prize money. Plus parachute payments. There is no way we're in any danger FFP wise
Guessing you haven't heard the podcast? Hope FoF mods don't mind? It'll explain why you are wrong there & why we are perilously close to the limit, hence the "creative" way we're going about recruitment. Bloke is a good pal of mine & knows FFP inside out
Yep, it's detailed and compelling.
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Quote from: Tabby on July 26, 2021, 09:35:03 AM
Arter is a prime example of a player that gets overrated because he looks like he is working hard. Johansen getting dropped for him was a big slap in the face.
Agreed and I actually would say at times Reed has been over-egged on the same basis. Although I do accept he has become a very good player now
I didn't say that I thought Arter was better than Johansen - I don't think that, and don't know why he was dropped, maybe injury?
My memory is that fans didn't rate Arter, certainly on here, though I admired his attitude and commitment, and also remember a couple of great goals, but I was certainly in a minority saying that.
Reed arouses similar conflicting opinions, but I thought he played an essential role in the team, with his attitude and hard work, and putting in the tackles, just as Johansen used to, though not comparing him!
I didn't say that Anguissa wasn't a very good player either - just that he could appear deceptively languid, and also maybe didn't fulfil his potential, though i did say that this could be to do with the team set up, and playing for Fulham against Prem quality players - which you could say about all the Fulham players maybe.
Why is us being close to the FFP limit always expressed with surprise and concern? We've got a multibillionaire owner who's trying to get us into the PL. We always have, will and should be spending as much as we can right up to that limit.
2nd bid, a loan with obligation to buy will be going in for Muniz imminently according to the Brazilian journalist that broke the first story
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 26, 2021, 11:24:22 PM
2nd bid, a loan with obligation to buy will be going in for Muniz imminently according to the Brazilian journalist that broke the first story
Don't know much about him- but I welcome a risky young striker vs a dwight gayle type
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2nd bid, a loan with obligation to buy will be going in for Muniz imminently according to the Brazilian journalist that broke the first story
Don't know much about him- but I welcome a risky young striker vs a dwight gayle type
Looks like Boro are also after him, I would hope Silva's pulling power and greater wages might sway him towards us
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Quote from: Mullers OG on July 26, 2021, 04:30:27 PM
£4 million for Kamara? Not surprised that transfer has fallen through. Grossly overpriced. Still it looks as if the club has decided to move him on.
He is probably worth £2m tops. In all honesty I don't think Aris Thessaloniki offered anything near £4m for him. Their record transfer fee is £1.17m, second highest £900k and third highest £612k (according to Transfermarkt)!
Sounds like they've switched targets and are now pursuing Newcastle's Muto.
If we want him and can afford him,well get him
No way boro land him if it's a straight choice between the two.
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If we want him and can afford him,well get him
No way boro land him if it's a straight choice between the two.
Boro do have a strong Brazilian history with their mid to late 90s team of Juninho, Emerson and Branco. Have we ever had a Brazilian in our squad? I can't think of any, but I could be wrong. But if you take that factor away, it should be an easy decision for him. The real question is whether he's up to it.
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Quote from: jayffc on July 27, 2021, 02:15:52 AM
If we want him and can afford him,well get him
No way boro land him if it's a straight choice between the two.
Boro do have a strong Brazilian history with their mid to late 90s team of Juninho, Emerson and Branco. Have we ever had a Brazilian in our squad? I can't think of any, but I could be wrong. But if you take that factor away, it should be an easy decision for him. The real question is whether he's up to it.
Have you forgotten Lucas Piazon already? At a pinch you could get away with Gary Brazil too.
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Quote from: jayffc on July 27, 2021, 02:15:52 AM
If we want him and can afford him,well get him
No way boro land him if it's a straight choice between the two.
Boro do have a strong Brazilian history with their mid to late 90s team of Juninho, Emerson and Branco. Have we ever had a Brazilian in our squad? I can't think of any, but I could be wrong. But if you take that factor away, it should be an easy decision for him. The real question is whether he's up to it.
I think the biggest Pull for us will be Marco Silva. Having a native Portuguese speaking coaching staff will really help him settle
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If we want him and can afford him,well get him
No way boro land him if it's a straight choice between the two.
Boro do have a strong Brazilian history with their mid to late 90s team of Juninho, Emerson and Branco. Have we ever had a Brazilian in our squad? I can't think of any, but I could be wrong. But if you take that factor away, it should be an easy decision for him. The real question is whether he's up to it.
I think the biggest Pull for us will be Marco Silva. Having a native Portuguese speaking coaching staff will really help him settle
Would you go to boro and be shouted at every 2 minutes by Colin, at least Marco looks like he can talk to people
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Quote from: jayffc on July 27, 2021, 02:15:52 AM
If we want him and can afford him,well get him
No way boro land him if it's a straight choice between the two.
Boro do have a strong Brazilian history with their mid to late 90s team of Juninho, Emerson and Branco. Have we ever had a Brazilian in our squad? I can't think of any, but I could be wrong. But if you take that factor away, it should be an easy decision for him. The real question is whether he's up to it.
Have you forgotten Lucas Piazon already? At a pinch you could get away with Gary Brazil too.
Ooof. Lucas. I liked him for us quite a bit. One of those players that looked harmless and then popped up with a goal.
I would have thought Andersen could have done better than go to Palace if it happens. They are hardly likely to get a CL or Europa spot. I wish he had decided to stay with us.
Quote from: grandad on July 27, 2021, 10:02:49 AM
I would have thought Andersen could have done better than go to Palace if it happens. They are hardly likely to get a CL or Europa spot. I wish he had decided to stay with us.
His plan is to go to palace, they get relegated despite having a good defence again...and we swoop in for him then. Genius!
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Quote from: grandad on July 27, 2021, 10:02:49 AM
I would have thought Andersen could have done better than go to Palace if it happens. They are hardly likely to get a CL or Europa spot. I wish he had decided to stay with us.
His plan is to go to palace, they get relegated despite having a good defence again...and we swoop in for him then. Genius!
Was thinking the same - Like a £7M relegation clause in his contract and happy days :-)
Bordeaux making a loan offer for Antonee Robinson according to RMC (french radio station).
Quote from: Tabby on July 27, 2021, 02:43:54 PM
Bordeaux making a loan offer for Antonee Robinson according to RMC (french radio station).
They can sod off with that. We need to keep Robinson.
Quote from: Tabby on July 27, 2021, 02:43:54 PM
Bordeaux making a loan offer for Antonee Robinson according to RMC (french radio station).
Seem to remember we made an offer for a left back of theirs a few years ago and they pretended they didn't get the offer so as to block the transfer. I think revenge is in order.
Quote from: Tabby on July 27, 2021, 02:43:54 PM
Bordeaux making a loan offer for Antonee Robinson according to RMC (french radio station).
I'm not sure how a loan offer benefits us because as I understand things cash is tight due to FFP. Think we really need to sell players. Not necessarily Robinson though, although if that were the case we are fortunate to have Joe Bryan.
Quote from: grandad on July 27, 2021, 10:02:49 AM
I would have thought Andersen could have done better than go to Palace if it happens. They are hardly likely to get a CL or Europa spot. I wish he had decided to stay with us.
Could be possible that the only Premier League offer he got was from Palace and maybe he only wanted a London club as he may have got the flavour of London life.
Dijon in for Le Marchand apparently
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/07/dijon-targeting-le-marchand-deal/
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on July 27, 2021, 04:16:34 PM
Dijon in for Le Marchand apparently
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/07/dijon-targeting-le-marchand-deal/
Let's hope it goes through ok
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Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on July 27, 2021, 04:16:34 PM
Dijon in for Le Marchand apparently
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/07/dijon-targeting-le-marchand-deal/
Let's hope it goes through ok
No need for that. Best of luck to him
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Quote from: Tabby on July 27, 2021, 02:43:54 PM
Bordeaux making a loan offer for Antonee Robinson according to RMC (french radio station).
They can sod off with that. We need to keep Robinson.
Agree, no way should we loan Robinson. If they want him it's a £15m transfer or don't waste our time.
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Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on July 27, 2021, 04:16:34 PM
Dijon in for Le Marchand apparently
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/07/dijon-targeting-le-marchand-deal/
Let's hope it goes through ok
Great! Let him go. Thanks for the service, goodbye and good luck!
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on July 27, 2021, 04:16:34 PM
Dijon in for Le Marchand apparently
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/07/dijon-targeting-le-marchand-deal/
That will be mustard for Le mar chand :Get Coat gif:
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on July 27, 2021, 04:16:34 PM
Dijon in for Le Marchand apparently
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/07/dijon-targeting-le-marchand-deal/
They obviously think he is mustard
Quote from: sunburywhite on July 27, 2021, 05:06:17 PM
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on July 27, 2021, 04:16:34 PM
Dijon in for Le Marchand apparently
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/07/dijon-targeting-le-marchand-deal/
They obviously think he is mustard
Apparently their manager is quite keen on him
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Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on July 27, 2021, 04:16:34 PM
Dijon in for Le Marchand apparently
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/07/dijon-targeting-le-marchand-deal/
They obviously think he is mustard
Apparently their manager is quite keen on him
Is their manager Chris Colman
Muniz is making a decision tonight about his future
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on July 27, 2021, 04:16:34 PM
Dijon in for Le Marchand apparently
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/07/dijon-targeting-le-marchand-deal/
Dont they want AK back?
Opuko, gone to vilje in the danish super league, season loan
Quote from: bobby01 on July 27, 2021, 06:17:28 PM
Opuko, gone to vilje in the danish super league, season loan
Good for him
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 27, 2021, 06:05:12 PM
Muniz is making a decision tonight about his future
Worried if we can't table something close to the proper up front bid they want that we aren't in the cards as an option for his future. Thanks again for keeping us posted.
If Silva believes in Muniz, wants him at the club and has convinced him to want to join Fulham, then TK & co have to figure out a way to close the deal & get him onboard.
Lets hope FFP isnt as bad as people are saying then
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on July 27, 2021, 07:27:52 PM
If Silva believes in Muniz, wants him at the club and has convinced him to want to join Fulham, then TK & co have to figure out a way to close the deal & get him onboard.
Agreed, Although I've just got a gut feeling he will go to Boro. They have sent delegates to meet his agent in person, whereas we haven't and that could make all the difference
I think that the FFP calculations aren't done in real time, such that if we put up some funds now, say for Muniz, we'd still have some time to locate revenue to offset it, through various possible sources (obviously including player sales). Ultimately, we may have to sell in order to buy, but I'm not sure it has to happen in that order, just by year end. There are also other possible sources of new monies, like potentially naming rights for the new Riverside Stand, and the massive billboard that is the roof there, which will be in every aerial shot and also very clearly visible from every airplane approaching Heathrow. It may be tacky, but no one seems to question that Arsenal plays at "The Emirates" stadium. How much was that sponsorship worth?
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Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on July 27, 2021, 07:27:52 PM
If Silva believes in Muniz, wants him at the club and has convinced him to want to join Fulham, then TK & co have to figure out a way to close the deal & get him onboard.
Agreed, Although I've just got a gut feeling he will go to Boro. They have sent delegates to meet his agent in person, whereas we haven't and that could make all the difference
Hard time seeing him being the main man here either, unless we sell Mitro, which could be a draw.
If we sign Matt Grimes & Muniz would everyone be happy if that was all our business done?
I am interested to see what happens with Anguissa hopefully he stays but it's time to start clearing out dead wood like Le Marchand Odoi Christie Kamara
Quote from: JackHamlet90 on July 28, 2021, 06:20:07 AM
If we sign Matt Grimes & Muniz would everyone be happy if that was all our business done?
I am interested to see what happens with Anguissa hopefully he stays but it's time to start clearing out dead wood like Le Marchand Odoi Christie Kamara
It is ok clearing out the "deadwood" as you put it, but you have to have adequate replacements first if those positions need filling. In Kamara's case do we have another striker / forward to come in? Do we have a versatile defender to replace MLM and Odoi (both can clay full back or CB). If Muniz signs and that is 50/50 i reckon then thats fine if he can cover the role/roles that Kamala may have covered (Wide and middle?) although we have Wilson now as an inverted winger. You need a big enough squad to cope so while yes they may look decent signings (never seen Muniz, pointless watching you tube clips as even I could look good in those) they have to be correct. So yes I may be mildly pleased but only as long as we cover the positions we let go
Quote from: JackHamlet90 on July 28, 2021, 06:20:07 AM
If we sign Matt Grimes & Muniz would everyone be happy if that was all our business done?
I am interested to see what happens with Anguissa hopefully he stays but it's time to start clearing out dead wood like Le Marchand Odoi Christie Kamara
Fairly pleased. Obviously it depends on any outgoings like Robinson and Anguissa... who've been liked with moves.
I think we've got plenty of defensive cover so one or both of MLM and Odoi can go. If I'm being picky, I'd maybe like another forward. Cavaleiro, Kebano and Knockaert aren't totally convincing, but should be fine in the Championship under a new system.
Apparently Watford and Brighton are in for grimes
Quote from: JEEVES on July 28, 2021, 08:37:28 AM
Apparently Watford and Brighton are in for grimes
That's the end of that one then
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 27, 2021, 07:46:56 PM
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on July 27, 2021, 07:27:52 PM
If Silva believes in Muniz, wants him at the club and has convinced him to want to join Fulham, then TK & co have to figure out a way to close the deal & get him onboard.
Agreed, Although I've just got a gut feeling he will go to Boro. They have sent delegates to meet his agent in person, whereas we haven't and that could make all the difference
But I'm not clear it's Silva who initiated our interest. Muniz was available and our interest mentioned before Silva joined us. The Portuguese language connection may just be a coincidence?
Quote from: Statto on July 28, 2021, 08:54:09 AM
Quote from: JEEVES on July 28, 2021, 08:37:28 AM
Apparently Watford and Brighton are in for grimes
That's the end of that one then
That article is click bait, it says that Grimes is a CB and also says he is Joachim Andersen's replacement at Fulham. Also says that Brighton and Watford want him to play CB. The article is rubbish
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 28, 2021, 09:46:21 AM
Quote from: Statto on July 28, 2021, 08:54:09 AM
Quote from: JEEVES on July 28, 2021, 08:37:28 AM
Apparently Watford and Brighton are in for grimes
That's the end of that one then
That article is click bait, it says that Grimes is a CB and also says he is Joachim Andersen's replacement at Fulham. Also says that Brighton and Watford want him to play CB. The article is rubbish
I've not seen the article you're referring to. I'm made that comment after reading this:
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/watford-and-brighton-join-fulham-in-race-to-sign-in-demand-efl-midfielder/
But admittedly there doesn't seem much to it.
Quote from: JEEVES on July 28, 2021, 10:02:37 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 28, 2021, 09:46:21 AM
Quote from: Statto on July 28, 2021, 08:54:09 AM
Quote from: JEEVES on July 28, 2021, 08:37:28 AM
Apparently Watford and Brighton are in for grimes
That's the end of that one then
That article is click bait, it says that Grimes is a CB and also says he is Joachim Andersen's replacement at Fulham. Also says that Brighton and Watford want him to play CB. The article is rubbish
I've not seen the article you're referring to. I'm made that comment after reading this:
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/watford-and-brighton-join-fulham-in-race-to-sign-in-demand-efl-midfielder/
But admittedly there doesn't seem much to it.
Yeah that article is written using the one I've read. Not sure there is any substance to it tbh
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 28, 2021, 10:15:09 AM
Quote from: JEEVES on July 28, 2021, 10:02:37 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 28, 2021, 09:46:21 AM
Quote from: Statto on July 28, 2021, 08:54:09 AM
Quote from: JEEVES on July 28, 2021, 08:37:28 AM
Apparently Watford and Brighton are in for grimes
That's the end of that one then
That article is click bait, it says that Grimes is a CB and also says he is Joachim Andersen's replacement at Fulham. Also says that Brighton and Watford want him to play CB. The article is rubbish
I've not seen the article you're referring to. I'm made that comment after reading this:
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/watford-and-brighton-join-fulham-in-race-to-sign-in-demand-efl-midfielder/
But admittedly there doesn't seem much to it.
Yeah that article is written using the one I've read. Not sure there is any substance to it tbh
Good. Some sources I don't even bother clicking. Football fan cast is the worst.
Quote from: Blawarmy on July 27, 2021, 06:06:14 PM
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on July 27, 2021, 04:16:34 PM
Dijon in for Le Marchand apparently
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/07/dijon-targeting-le-marchand-deal/
Dont they want AK back?
Apparently, he was far from impressive during his loan there.
Quote from: Penfold on July 28, 2021, 10:35:41 AM
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Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on July 27, 2021, 04:16:34 PM
Dijon in for Le Marchand apparently
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/07/dijon-targeting-le-marchand-deal/
Dont they want AK back?
Apparently, he was far from impressive during his loan there.
Im not sure how he could be that impressive, they were relegated after terrible season that started way before AK joined. I would surprised if MLM goes to Ligue 2, he would hold out for top league move even if Belgium or smaller place. I assume with heavy amorization charge against him as part of the odd deal from Nice for Seri it will be a loan anyway.
Another agent used us by the looks of it https://twitter.com/MirrorFootball/status/1420354265340592128?s=19
Second bid submitted for Rodrigo Muniz according to Portuguese reporter Bruno Andrade.
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on July 28, 2021, 04:38:00 PM
Second bid submitted for Rodrigo Muniz according to Portuguese reporter Bruno Andrade.
He prefers us to Boro apparently
According to the Twits Muniz wants to come to us and not Boro. He is stalling to see if we can make it happen, but Flamengo (as noted above) has ~ doubled their asking price and still don't want a deal that suits us due to FFP.
I think it'll happen as long as we can match Boro. If Flamengo was willing to take 8m last week, it's not as if they will turn down anything sub-16m this week. They just want the most money possible. I think we are going to get him one way or another as well. Silva wants him.
https://twitter.com/search?q=muniz%20fulham&src=typed_query&f=live
The rock that is Joachim Andersen has joined Palace. Great signing for them imo.
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on July 28, 2021, 06:08:00 PM
The rock that is Joachim Andersen has joined Palace. Great signing for them imo.
He could have done much better than Palace
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Quote from: FFCFOREVER on July 28, 2021, 06:08:00 PM
The rock that is Joachim Andersen has joined Palace. Great signing for them imo.
He could have done much better than Palace
Agreed. I thought there would have been a good few established top half prem teams after his services.
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on July 28, 2021, 06:14:32 PM
Quote from: Blawarmy on July 28, 2021, 06:08:28 PM
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on July 28, 2021, 06:08:00 PM
The rock that is Joachim Andersen has joined Palace. Great signing for them imo.
He could have done much better than Palace
Agreed. I thought there would have been a good few established top half prem teams after his services.
Definitely. Strange one imo. Obviously wanted to stay In London, but he'd surely walk into Spurs or Arsenals first 11.
Boro and Flamengo apparently agreed a fee. https://twitter.com/RenanFlamengo/status/1420461394181373952?s=19
Quote from: Blawarmy on July 28, 2021, 01:13:08 PM
Another agent used us by the looks of it https://twitter.com/MirrorFootball/status/1420354265340592128?s=19
We have Seri so not the end of the world if he pulls out.
Quote from: Blawarmy on July 28, 2021, 08:21:52 PM
Boro and Flamengo apparently agreed a fee. https://twitter.com/RenanFlamengo/status/1420461394181373952?s=19
So up to us to see if we can have a similar offer matched and it's over to the player
I will be amazed if we are matching Boro's bid. They are offering a permanent deal of 8 million upfront rising to 16! We can't get near that
If the reports are to be believed, I don't blame us for looking elsewhere. With our original offer, he was worth a punt. We could get a top Championship striker for £16m!
Quote from: Classic94 on July 28, 2021, 08:43:34 PM
If the reports are to be believed, I don't blame us for looking elsewhere. With our original offer, he was worth a punt. We could get a top Championship striker for £16m!
Exactly, a loan for 1 mill, and an option for 8 million o was happy with. I'm certainly not happy paying 8 mill upfront for a 20 year okd that has only scored 9 senior goals
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 28, 2021, 08:48:14 PM
Quote from: Classic94 on July 28, 2021, 08:43:34 PM
If the reports are to be believed, I don't blame us for looking elsewhere. With our original offer, he was worth a punt. We could get a top Championship striker for £16m!
Exactly, a loan for 1 mill, and an option for 8 million o was happy with. I'm certainly not happy paying 8 mill upfront for a 20 year okd that has only scored 9 senior goals
Agreed. Grossly overpriced given the risk attached.
Still, appreciate the updates!
Strange - I didn't realise that people here were paying the fees for players!
I always thought it was the owners and the club?
Quote from: BestOfBrede on July 28, 2021, 09:23:03 PM
Strange - I didn't realise that people here were paying the fees for players!
I always thought it was the owners and the club?
It's an opinion which is what this forum is about. In addition to which many of us would have concerns about the impact of such a fee structure on FFP. Seems to me like the comments are perfectly reasonable.
I'm so sick of hearing about FFP. Please can UEFA just scrap it. It's pointless and hasn't done anything except make the richer teams stronger
Quote from: Caedal on July 28, 2021, 09:53:09 PM
I'm so sick of hearing about FFP. Please can UEFA just scrap it. It's pointless and hasn't done anything except make the richer teams stronger
Which is exactly what it was designed to do.
Quote from: Twig on July 28, 2021, 09:28:32 PM
Quote from: BestOfBrede on July 28, 2021, 09:23:03 PM
Strange - I didn't realise that people here were paying the fees for players!
I always thought it was the owners and the club?
It's an opinion which is what this forum is about. In addition to which many of us would have concerns about the impact of such a fee structure on FFP. Seems to me like the comments are perfectly reasonable.
True, except when people state they are not happy to pay that eg!
It's not their money now is it!
From what I've read, we've offered more for Muniz over the long term but Flamengo are happier with the structure of Boros offer as there's more money up front. Muniz is still holding out to see if we can agree a deal as we're still his preferred destination.
And now we have put a permanent bid in:
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/07/fulham-ready-to-buy-muniz/
Rodrigo Muniz all but done 6 million euros in cash with a further 2 million to follow
Good luck to the lad let's hope he's worth the fuss
https://mobile.twitter.com/FulhamTransfer/status/1420498091770265602
Twitter reports coming in Muniz deal is done. Unconfirmed.
WSW - is Grimes due in for a medical tomorrow/Friday still? Arguably the most important transfer now in terms of getting another midfield creator in to play alongside Reed regularly
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 28, 2021, 10:49:43 PM
WSW - is Grimes due in for a medical tomorrow/Friday still? Arguably the most important transfer now in terms of getting another midfield creator in to play alongside Reed regularly
It seems not. The Grimes link sounds like bs if this article is anything to go by. https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/the-sooner-better-alan-tate-21170666.amp?__twitter_impression=true
Quote from: Blawarmy on July 28, 2021, 11:16:15 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 28, 2021, 10:49:43 PM
WSW - is Grimes due in for a medical tomorrow/Friday still? Arguably the most important transfer now in terms of getting another midfield creator in to play alongside Reed regularly
It seems not. The Grimes link sounds like bs if this article is anything to go by. https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/the-sooner-better-alan-tate-21170666.amp?__twitter_impression=true
That just sounds like standard deflection to me, he's a caretaker manager trying to assert himself but how often have we heard a manager say a player is in line for an upcoming game and then they're sold magically before that game even happens
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 28, 2021, 10:49:43 PM
WSW - is Grimes due in for a medical tomorrow/Friday still? Arguably the most important transfer now in terms of getting another midfield creator in to play alongside Reed regularly
It's all gone a little bit quiet on that front, so I honestly can't answer that one Cos I simply don't know!
Quote from: BestOfBrede on July 28, 2021, 10:01:53 PM
True, except when people state they are not happy to pay that eg!
It's not their money now is it!
If we can buy the players we want and stay within FFP, I agree, I don't see it matters how much we spend when we've a multi-billionaire owner.
I certainly wouldn't want us to buy someone who's not as good just because he's cheaper if we can afford the players we most want.
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 28, 2021, 11:20:34 PM
Quote from: Blawarmy on July 28, 2021, 11:16:15 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 28, 2021, 10:49:43 PM
WSW - is Grimes due in for a medical tomorrow/Friday still? Arguably the most important transfer now in terms of getting another midfield creator in to play alongside Reed regularly
It seems not. The Grimes link sounds like bs if this article is anything to go by. https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/the-sooner-better-alan-tate-21170666.amp?__twitter_impression=true
That just sounds like standard deflection to me, he's a caretaker manager trying to assert himself but how often have we heard a manager say a player is in line for an upcoming game and then they're sold magically before that game even happens
So many stories going around. He had covid. Now they say he's injured. Was he injured with covid? Actually if he's injured i'm surprised we didnt put a bid in as we've done that a couple of times recently
Quote from: Blawarmy on July 28, 2021, 11:16:15 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 28, 2021, 10:49:43 PM
WSW - is Grimes due in for a medical tomorrow/Friday still? Arguably the most important transfer now in terms of getting another midfield creator in to play alongside Reed regularly
It seems not. The Grimes link sounds like bs if this article is anything to go by. https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/the-sooner-better-alan-tate-21170666.amp?__twitter_impression=true
Says to me that Fulham have made an approach, which is why he was left out, and if the deal can't be completed he will be reintroduced to the squad, I just hope we haven't overspent on Muniz and now miss out on Grimes
Quote from: Riversider on July 28, 2021, 11:30:43 PM
Says to me that Fulham have made an approach, which is why he was left out, and if the deal can't be completed he will be reintroduced to the squad, I just hope we haven't overspent on Muniz and now miss out on Grimes
If your assumption is correct and we can't afford both players, prioritising Muniz will be a choice the Club has made - not an oversight. Whether this would be the better choice probably depends on which is more important to us: a striker or a midfielder.
But this is where it begins.
Prioritise Grimes and 'why the hell didn't we get a forward.' Get the forward and the outrage will be because people 'knew that we were short in midfield.'
Hopefully we are able to get both over and we'll move on to the next potential 'I told you so' moment.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on July 28, 2021, 11:53:36 PM
But this is where it begins.
Prioritise Grimes and 'why the hell didn't we get a forward.' Get the forward and the outrage will be because people 'knew that we were short in midfield.'
Hopefully we are able to get both over and we'll move on to the next potential 'I told you so' moment.
And we all know who will be the first poster with the stick. 064.gif 064.gif
Quote from: Arthur on July 28, 2021, 11:45:25 PM
Quote from: Riversider on July 28, 2021, 11:30:43 PM
Says to me that Fulham have made an approach, which is why he was left out, and if the deal can't be completed he will be reintroduced to the squad, I just hope we haven't overspent on Muniz and now miss out on Grimes
If your assumption is correct and we can't afford both players, prioritising Muniz will be a choice the Club has made - not an oversight. Whether this would be the better choice probably depends on which is more important to us: a striker or a midfielder.
We can afford the spend this as long as we are wiling to sell Rodak, Cairney and Mitrovic. I am just not sure this is a great idea, it has been proven under FFP that relegated PL teams are better off using their failures/deadwood to win the championship that using the failures to raise money for the club.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on July 28, 2021, 11:53:36 PM
But this is where it begins.
Prioritise Grimes and 'why the hell didn't we get a forward.' Get the forward and the outrage will be because people 'knew that we were short in midfield.'
Hopefully we are able to get both over and we'll move on to the next potential 'I told you so' moment.
Tough choice if we can only get one of them. Exciting but very risky (Muniz) vs sensible but slightly underwhelming (Grimes). Ok, maybe underwhelming is a bit harsh but certainly less exciting than a Brazilian striker from Flamengo!
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 29, 2021, 05:21:38 AM
Quote from: Arthur on July 28, 2021, 11:45:25 PM
Quote from: Riversider on July 28, 2021, 11:30:43 PM
Says to me that Fulham have made an approach, which is why he was left out, and if the deal can't be completed he will be reintroduced to the squad, I just hope we haven't overspent on Muniz and now miss out on Grimes
If your assumption is correct and we can't afford both players, prioritising Muniz will be a choice the Club has made - not an oversight. Whether this would be the better choice probably depends on which is more important to us: a striker or a midfielder.
We can afford the spend this as long as we are wiling to sell Rodak, Cairney and Mitrovic. I am just not sure this is a great idea, it has been proven under FFP that relegated PL teams are better off using their failures/deadwood to win the championship that using the failures to raise money for the club.
This transfer will have no impact on Mitro, Cairney or Rodak. Frank and Seri are almost certainly off. I've also been told Kebano, Odoi, MLM, Steve Sess, Fabri are all likely to be off when deals come in. We have anywhere between 4 and 7 million to spend within FFP. This deal with cost us about 1.2 mill a season, rising to potentially 1.6 mill a season. I understand the Grikes deal is on hold as he is now waiting to see if a Prem club comes in for him after hearing of potential interest. I'm 99.99% certain that Mitro and Cairney will not be going anywhere. The only way Rodak leaves is if Gazza is going to be number 1
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 29, 2021, 06:58:57 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 29, 2021, 05:21:38 AM
Quote from: Arthur on July 28, 2021, 11:45:25 PM
Quote from: Riversider on July 28, 2021, 11:30:43 PM
Says to me that Fulham have made an approach, which is why he was left out, and if the deal can't be completed he will be reintroduced to the squad, I just hope we haven't overspent on Muniz and now miss out on Grimes
If your assumption is correct and we can't afford both players, prioritising Muniz will be a choice the Club has made - not an oversight. Whether this would be the better choice probably depends on which is more important to us: a striker or a midfielder.
We can afford the spend this as long as we are wiling to sell Rodak, Cairney and Mitrovic. I am just not sure this is a great idea, it has been proven under FFP that relegated PL teams are better off using their failures/deadwood to win the championship that using the failures to raise money for the club.
This transfer will have no impact on Mitro, Cairney or Rodak. Frank and Seri are almost certainly off. I've also been told Kebano, Odoi, MLM, Steve Sess, Fabri are all likely to be off when deals come in. We have anywhere between 4 and 7 million to spend within FFP. This deal with cost us about 1.2 mill a season, rising to potentially 1.6 mill a season. I understand the Grikes deal is on hold as he is now waiting to see if a Prem club comes in for him after hearing of potential interest. I'm 99.99% certain that Mitro and Cairney will not be going anywhere. The only way Rodak leaves is if Gazza is going to be number 1
Thanks for that WSW, what makes you think Anguissa and Seri are off, there seems to be a lot of coverage, training photos, videos and match action featuring esp Anguissa, but also Seri. This suggests to me that the media people at least think they are staying, but what do I know!
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 29, 2021, 06:58:57 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 29, 2021, 05:21:38 AM
Quote from: Arthur on July 28, 2021, 11:45:25 PM
Quote from: Riversider on July 28, 2021, 11:30:43 PM
Says to me that Fulham have made an approach, which is why he was left out, and if the deal can't be completed he will be reintroduced to the squad, I just hope we haven't overspent on Muniz and now miss out on Grimes
If your assumption is correct and we can't afford both players, prioritising Muniz will be a choice the Club has made - not an oversight. Whether this would be the better choice probably depends on which is more important to us: a striker or a midfielder.
We can afford the spend this as long as we are wiling to sell Rodak, Cairney and Mitrovic. I am just not sure this is a great idea, it has been proven under FFP that relegated PL teams are better off using their failures/deadwood to win the championship that using the failures to raise money for the club.
This transfer will have no impact on Mitro, Cairney or Rodak. Frank and Seri are almost certainly off. I've also been told Kebano, Odoi, MLM, Steve Sess, Fabri are all likely to be off when deals come in. We have anywhere between 4 and 7 million to spend within FFP. This deal with cost us about 1.2 mill a season, rising to potentially 1.6 mill a season. I understand the Grikes deal is on hold as he is now waiting to see if a Prem club comes in for him after hearing of potential interest. I'm 99.99% certain that Mitro and Cairney will not be going anywhere. The only way Rodak leaves is if Gazza is going to be number 1
Assuming that Frank & Seri are off and we've also let StefJo go, we must have at least 2 CM's lined up then?
Any idea how long Frank has left on his contract?
Quote from: mrmicawbers on July 29, 2021, 09:08:54 AM
Any idea how long Frank has left on his contract?
Assuming we renew the option, Anguissa is with us until 30 June 2024 (otherwise June 2023). I think we should think about selling Cairney to Watford, Brentford or Leeds if we can get £10m plus. If we cannot Rodak, Robinson, Anguiisaa or Mitro has to go in order to balance books.
Obviously they will only go if we get an offer for them. They are willing to let Seri go quite cheap because he's a high earner. Frank will go if we get an offer of 20-25 million. Muniz aside, Silva still wants 3 more signings, so assuming we get Grimes. Silva wants another top quality winger and another CM, but this is all dependent on players leaving: we will try and get rid of knockaert but his wages woll be an issue
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 29, 2021, 09:18:52 AM
Obviously they will only go if we get an offer for them. They are willing to let Seri go quite cheap because he's a high earner. Frank will go if we get an offer of 20-25 million. Muniz aside, Silva still wants 3 more signings, so assuming we get Grimes. Silva wants another top quality winger and another CM, but this is all dependent on players leaving: we will try and get rid of knockaert but his wages woll be an issue
How on earth could we fit in three more signings into FFP without selling Rodak, Robinson, Anguissa, Cairney and/or Mitro? Why get more signings if our best players have to leave to finance them. Getting rid of Knockaert and Seri really won't help our finances that much, we need profit of player sales to finance buys. If our strategy is to sell Knockaert and Seri for profits, then we could quickly find us "Doing a Leeds" and unable to raise money to balance the books.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 29, 2021, 09:29:12 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 29, 2021, 09:18:52 AM
Obviously they will only go if we get an offer for them. They are willing to let Seri go quite cheap because he's a high earner. Frank will go if we get an offer of 20-25 million. Muniz aside, Silva still wants 3 more signings, so assuming we get Grimes. Silva wants another top quality winger and another CM, but this is all dependent on players leaving: we will try and get rid of knockaert but his wages woll be an issue
How on earth could we fit in three more signings into FFP without selling Rodak, Robinson, Anguissa, Cairney and/or Mitro? Why get more signings if our best players have to leave to finance them. Getting rid of Knockaert and Seri really won't help our finances that much, we need profit of player sales to finance buys. If our strategy is to sell Knockaert and Seri for profits, then we could quickly find us "Doing a Leeds" and unable to raise money to balance the books.
Well you're the rational fan who defends TK and transfers at all costs so why don't you tell us?
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 29, 2021, 09:29:12 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 29, 2021, 09:18:52 AM
Obviously they will only go if we get an offer for them. They are willing to let Seri go quite cheap because he's a high earner. Frank will go if we get an offer of 20-25 million. Muniz aside, Silva still wants 3 more signings, so assuming we get Grimes. Silva wants another top quality winger and another CM, but this is all dependent on players leaving: we will try and get rid of knockaert but his wages woll be an issue
How on earth could we fit in three more signings into FFP without selling Rodak, Robinson, Anguissa, Cairney and/or Mitro? Why get more signings if our best players have to leave to finance them. Getting rid of Knockaert and Seri really won't help our finances that much, we need profit of player sales to finance buys. If our strategy is to sell Knockaert and Seri for profits, then we could quickly find us "Doing a Leeds" and unable to raise money to balance the books.
Hence why I said it is all dependent on players going, including Anguissa who has the highest value in the club. If we received a bid of over 10 million for Robinson we will let him go, but we are not actively touting him out. The 3 players are dependent on probably 5 players going out, 1 of which must be Anguissa. If we don't get Grimes I would expect us to get another midfielder in before the season starts, that's without departures.
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 29, 2021, 09:37:28 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 29, 2021, 09:29:12 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 29, 2021, 09:18:52 AM
Obviously they will only go if we get an offer for them. They are willing to let Seri go quite cheap because he's a high earner. Frank will go if we get an offer of 20-25 million. Muniz aside, Silva still wants 3 more signings, so assuming we get Grimes. Silva wants another top quality winger and another CM, but this is all dependent on players leaving: we will try and get rid of knockaert but his wages woll be an issue
How on earth could we fit in three more signings into FFP without selling Rodak, Robinson, Anguissa, Cairney and/or Mitro? Why get more signings if our best players have to leave to finance them. Getting rid of Knockaert and Seri really won't help our finances that much, we need profit of player sales to finance buys. If our strategy is to sell Knockaert and Seri for profits, then we could quickly find us "Doing a Leeds" and unable to raise money to balance the books.
Well you're the rational fan who defends TK and transfers at all costs so why don't you tell us?
Lol.
Re incomings and outgoings, I'd have thought it was quite straightforward.
Silva has not been at the club long and has identified targets whilst being unemployed and clearly knew players he wanted to work with and the club identified areas of weakness. The club signed two players who are stronger than what we have, one on a free and one on a deal structured in a way which means we don't pay that much up front for him to spread out payments.
It sounds as if the club is also trying to structure the other deals similarly.
Marco says he wants competition, which we were lacking up front and could, possibly, be why we're after and looking likely to get Muniz. I think if muniz comes he and mitro can play together.
As we get to the end of the window and silva has had more time with our squad I imagine decisions on players to sell will be made. And I don't think it will be anything near as drastic as what some are suggesting where we have to and are going to sell mitro, anguissa and cairney. They're assets and likely to help us guarantee or get close to the promotion race. It would be counterproductive to sell them when they help us achieve our aims as it'd likely put us in a stickier financial position the longer it takes for us not to get promoted.
I imagine we're more likely to see one of Cav, Knockaert and then Ream or mawson or of that ilk.
We've already said goodbye to Mcdonald, johansen and bettinelli from our wage bill which will also help. I don't imagine Muniz as a 20 year old from Brazil will be on anything significant for us.
Quote from: General on July 29, 2021, 10:12:28 AM
Re incomings and outgoings, I'd have thought it was quite straightforward.
Silva has not been at the club long and has identified targets whilst being unemployed and clearly knew players he wanted to work with and the club identified areas of weakness. The club signed two players who are stronger than what we have, one on a free and one on a deal structured in a way which means we don't pay that much up front for him to spread out payments.
It sounds as if the club is also trying to structure the other deals similarly.
Marco says he wants competition, which we were lacking up front and could, possibly, be why we're after and looking likely to get Muniz. I think if muniz comes he and mitro can play together.
As we get to the end of the window and silva has had more time with our squad I imagine decisions on players to sell will be made. And I don't think it will be anything near as drastic as what some are suggesting where we have to and are going to sell mitro, anguissa and cairney. They're assets and likely to help us guarantee or get close to the promotion race. It would be counterproductive to sell them when they help us achieve our aims as it'd likely put us in a stickier financial position the longer it takes for us not to get promoted.
I imagine we're more likely to see one of Cav, Knockaert and then Ream or mawson or of that ilk.
We've already said goodbye to Mcdonald, johansen and bettinelli from our wage bill which will also help. I don't imagine Muniz as a 20 year old from Brazil will be on anything significant for us.
This is exactly right, so far we have brought in the players that Silva thinks are essential. I do expect Anguissa to go because I think someone will make a decent bid for him. Once he goes, that will fund extra players that Silva wants that are not as essential right now. I expect us to be active right up until the deadline. Replacing outgoings with incomings
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 29, 2021, 10:17:54 AM
Quote from: General on July 29, 2021, 10:12:28 AM
Re incomings and outgoings, I'd have thought it was quite straightforward.
Silva has not been at the club long and has identified targets whilst being unemployed and clearly knew players he wanted to work with and the club identified areas of weakness. The club signed two players who are stronger than what we have, one on a free and one on a deal structured in a way which means we don't pay that much up front for him to spread out payments.
It sounds as if the club is also trying to structure the other deals similarly.
Marco says he wants competition, which we were lacking up front and could, possibly, be why we're after and looking likely to get Muniz. I think if muniz comes he and mitro can play together.
As we get to the end of the window and silva has had more time with our squad I imagine decisions on players to sell will be made. And I don't think it will be anything near as drastic as what some are suggesting where we have to and are going to sell mitro, anguissa and cairney. They're assets and likely to help us guarantee or get close to the promotion race. It would be counterproductive to sell them when they help us achieve our aims as it'd likely put us in a stickier financial position the longer it takes for us not to get promoted.
I imagine we're more likely to see one of Cav, Knockaert and then Ream or mawson or of that ilk.
We've already said goodbye to Mcdonald, johansen and bettinelli from our wage bill which will also help. I don't imagine Muniz as a 20 year old from Brazil will be on anything significant for us.
This is exactly right, so far we have brought in the players that Silva thinks are essential. I do expect Anguissa to go because I think someone will make a decent bid for him. Once he goes, that will fund extra players that Silva wants that are not as essential right now. I expect us to be active right up until the deadline. Replacing outgoings with incomings
I don't think we'll sell Anguissa. The club has shown too often that they value him and don't want to sell outright. Both he and seri have had clubs interested in permanent deals but simply can't afford our evaluation of both players based on presumably what we've paid for them and how that's structured. I also think after both players have been in two relegation squads with one hardly playing, offloading them now to a team who can pay the necessary amount simply is unlikely to happen. Let's be honest both have failed to impress even us as fulham fans as of yet. Even Anguissa ended last season (arguably his best for us) in and out of first team contention.
On top of those reasons, I also think silva simply is a better manager and I expect him to be better at man management and the more subtle but arguably most important side of management in speaking to and developing the individuals (I see seri in particular like knockaert as emotional players, who if they're loved give everything but if out of favour or disenchanted fall flat quickly) and I think silva wants to manage the best players, can manage them better and subsequently will want to keep them.
Every club has to work to a budget and every player wants the best deal he can get as well as first team football. If it is meant to be it will be
I know its been said on here before, but with FFP... if you signed someone for 6m on 3 year contract... does it go down as 6, 0, 0 or 2, 2, 2 or does it all depend on all how you split the payments
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 29, 2021, 11:08:52 AM
I know its been said on here before, but with FFP... if you signed someone for 6m on 3 year contract... does it go down as 6, 0, 0 or 2, 2, 2 or does it all depend on all how you split the payments
Basically it's amortised over the life of the contract. And if that includes an option to extend the contract by an extra year then that can be a way of tweaking the amortisation spread.
But do't forget that players can be on very high wages so towards the back end of a contract it may be worthwhile taking an accounting bit to get the wage off the books. A good example could be Seri who is in the last year of his contract so there is still that year of amortisation left but letting him go gets his high wage off our books.
At least, that's my simplistic understanding of it all.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 29, 2021, 11:08:52 AM
I know its been said on here before, but with FFP... if you signed someone for 6m on 3 year contract... does it go down as 6, 0, 0 or 2, 2, 2 or does it all depend on all how you split the payments
For FFP purposes it will go down 2,2 and 2. That's the reason why most very expensive transfers (Wilson) will be done over 5 years so as to balance the payments from an FFP perspective.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 29, 2021, 11:08:52 AM
I know its been said on here before, but with FFP... if you signed someone for 6m on 3 year contract... does it go down as 6, 0, 0 or 2, 2, 2 or does it all depend on all how you split the payments
Typically, I believe, the payment would be split equally over the length of a player's contract - so £2M per year in the example you quote.
If the Club wants to pay more of the outstanding sum sooner, I believe it can - in your example again, if FFP permitted, the club could write off the remaining £4M in the second year of the player's stay.
If the player leaves the club before the expiry of his contract, any outstanding amount has to be accounted for in that season - of course, whatever fee is received for the player can be used to offset the remaining debt.
Amortisation, and its impact on FFP, is, as others are saying, conceivably the reason why we have held onto a player such as Seri despite his not playing for us for the past two years.
The situation with Seri, however, is far from clear because the deal with Nice was a joint one involving Le Marchand. Whilst the overall fee - supposedly in the region of £28M - represented the actual evaluation of their combined worth, we were asked to over-pay for Le Marchand and under-pay for Seri in order that Nice avoid some sort of bonus outlay to Seri.
Quote from: Arthur on July 29, 2021, 11:42:05 AM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 29, 2021, 11:08:52 AM
I know its been said on here before, but with FFP... if you signed someone for 6m on 3 year contract... does it go down as 6, 0, 0 or 2, 2, 2 or does it all depend on all how you split the payments
Typically, I believe, the payment would be split equally over the length of a player's contract - so £2M per year in the example you quote.
If the Club wants to pay more of the outstanding sum sooner, I believe it can - in your example again, if FFP permitted, the club could write off the remaining £4M in the second year of the player's stay.
If the player leaves the club before the expiry of his contract, any outstanding amount has to be accounted for in that season - of course, whatever fee is received for the player can be used to offset the remaining debt.
Amortisation, and its impact on FFP, is, as others are saying, conceivably the reason why we have held onto a player such as Seri despite his not playing for us for the past two years.
The situation with Seri, however, is far from clear because the deal with Nice was a joint one involving Le Marchand. Whilst the overall fee - supposedly in the region of £28M - represented the actual evaluation of their combined worth, we were asked to over-pay for Le Marchand and under-pay for Seri in order that Nice avoid some sort of bonus outlay to Seri.
It's also the reason we extended Fabri, MLM's contract at the end of the season too. So for FFP purpose the fees drop per season as they are calculating it over a longer period
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 29, 2021, 11:46:26 AM
Quote from: Arthur on July 29, 2021, 11:42:05 AM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 29, 2021, 11:08:52 AM
I know its been said on here before, but with FFP... if you signed someone for 6m on 3 year contract... does it go down as 6, 0, 0 or 2, 2, 2 or does it all depend on all how you split the payments
Typically, I believe, the payment would be split equally over the length of a player's contract - so £2M per year in the example you quote.
If the Club wants to pay more of the outstanding sum sooner, I believe it can - in your example again, if FFP permitted, the club could write off the remaining £4M in the second year of the player's stay.
If the player leaves the club before the expiry of his contract, any outstanding amount has to be accounted for in that season - of course, whatever fee is received for the player can be used to offset the remaining debt.
Amortisation, and its impact on FFP, is, as others are saying, conceivably the reason why we have held onto a player such as Seri despite his not playing for us for the past two years.
The situation with Seri, however, is far from clear because the deal with Nice was a joint one involving Le Marchand. Whilst the overall fee - supposedly in the region of £28M - represented the actual evaluation of their combined worth, we were asked to over-pay for Le Marchand and under-pay for Seri in order that Nice avoid some sort of bonus outlay to Seri.
It's also the reason we extended Fabri, MLM's contract at the end of the season too. So for FFP purpose the fees drop per season as they are calculating it over a longer period
Only forward seasons you mean?, cant change past seasons surely ?
If only forward as i suspect then the difference would not be massive but every little helps i guess
The only players I want sold are Seri, MLM, Knockaert & Fabri. We will need a full squad with it being a longer season & the threat of a Covid outbreak within the Club.
Little snippet on the Muniz deal:
https://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1420708783588880386?s=21
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 29, 2021, 12:47:28 PM
Little snippet on the Muniz deal:
https://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1420708783588880386?s=21
Excited about the potential of this guy! Wondering whether he's coming in for cover or to play up top with Mitro.
Quote from: JEEVES on July 29, 2021, 01:03:05 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 29, 2021, 12:47:28 PM
Little snippet on the Muniz deal:
https://twitter.com/fulhamtransfer/status/1420708783588880386?s=21
Excited about the potential of this guy! Wondering whether he's coming in for cover or to play up top with Mitro.
The stat machine said yes. We must use the same one as boro
The "document being sent to Flamengo" upon which his "departure" depends presumably being, as is ever the case in football transfers, a cheque with a large number of zeros on it.
Have to say, I've got a really good feeling about Silva as manager. He obviously really wanted Muniz, and Muniz seems to want to come because of Silva.
Imagine we keep Seri and Anguissa and both play like the players we expected them to be. We could destroy the league. The squad is really strong, especially compared to how weak the league is this year
Quote from: Caedal on July 29, 2021, 01:20:36 PM
Have to say, I've got a really good feeling about Silva as manager. He obviously really wanted Muniz, and Muniz seems to want to come because of Silva.
Imagine we keep Seri and Anguissa and both play like the players we expected them to be. We could destroy the league. The squad is really strong, especially compared to how weak the league is this year
That seems pretty optimistic. If Silva can suddenly get all those players to punch at or above their weight we'll finish the league on 100 points + easily. It's possible, but think it's more likely some will succeed and others will not. I personally think he will do better than Parker and get more out of each and every player.
I also think because of Silva it's very likely Muniz is coming and will be the key not just from banging in goals, but relieving pressure on the entire team all over the pitch as we'll have addressed our weakest link and plugged it with hopefully one of the strongest pegs on the pitch elevating our play significantly.
Quote from: junior white on July 29, 2021, 11:48:21 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 29, 2021, 11:46:26 AM
Quote from: Arthur on July 29, 2021, 11:42:05 AM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 29, 2021, 11:08:52 AM
I know its been said on here before, but with FFP... if you signed someone for 6m on 3 year contract... does it go down as 6, 0, 0 or 2, 2, 2 or does it all depend on all how you split the payments
Typically, I believe, the payment would be split equally over the length of a player's contract - so £2M per year in the example you quote.
If the Club wants to pay more of the outstanding sum sooner, I believe it can - in your example again, if FFP permitted, the club could write off the remaining £4M in the second year of the player's stay.
If the player leaves the club before the expiry of his contract, any outstanding amount has to be accounted for in that season - of course, whatever fee is received for the player can be used to offset the remaining debt.
Amortisation, and its impact on FFP, is, as others are saying, conceivably the reason why we have held onto a player such as Seri despite his not playing for us for the past two years.
The situation with Seri, however, is far from clear because the deal with Nice was a joint one involving Le Marchand. Whilst the overall fee - supposedly in the region of £28M - represented the actual evaluation of their combined worth, we were asked to over-pay for Le Marchand and under-pay for Seri in order that Nice avoid some sort of bonus outlay to Seri.
It's also the reason we extended Fabri, MLM's contract at the end of the season too. So for FFP purpose the fees drop per season as they are calculating it over a longer period
Only forward seasons you mean?, cant change past seasons surely ?
If only forward as i suspect then the difference would not be massive but every little helps i guess
No so FFP wise the whole deal will be reported differently, so for example if you sign a player 30 million over a 5 year deal it will cost you 6 million a season, say then at the end of contract we extend the contract by 1 more year. That deal will be reported FFP wise as costing 5million a year rather than 6 million a year for the whole duration of the contract. Therefore extending any contract will affect the reporting for previous years too
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 29, 2021, 01:50:48 PM
for example if you sign a player 30 million over a 5 year deal it will cost you 6 million a season, say then at the end of contract we extend the contract by 1 more year. That deal will be reported FFP wise as costing 5million a year rather than 6 million a year for the whole duration of the contract. Therefore extending any contract will affect the reporting for previous years too
I presumed that too, but when some while ago I put it to Tristan (he of the recent podcast, with a background in football accounts auditing) he said not so.
God I hope we have smart Accountants keeping up with all this. It seems ridiculously complex. No wonder Derby decided to do the accounts a different way.
Quote from: b+w geezer on July 29, 2021, 01:55:24 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 29, 2021, 01:50:48 PM
for example if you sign a player 30 million over a 5 year deal it will cost you 6 million a season, say then at the end of contract we extend the contract by 1 more year. That deal will be reported FFP wise as costing 5million a year rather than 6 million a year for the whole duration of the contract. Therefore extending any contract will affect the reporting for previous years too
I presumed that too, but when some while ago I put it to Tristan (he of the recent podcast, with a background in football accounts auditing) he said not so.
I would be astounded if that was true. Not at an accountant but sounds very Irish to me. Suspect actually a one year extension just splits the last years amortisation in half, over two years instead of one
Quote from: Statto on July 29, 2021, 02:20:22 PM
Quote from: b+w geezer on July 29, 2021, 01:55:24 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 29, 2021, 01:50:48 PM
for example if you sign a player 30 million over a 5 year deal it will cost you 6 million a season, say then at the end of contract we extend the contract by 1 more year. That deal will be reported FFP wise as costing 5million a year rather than 6 million a year for the whole duration of the contract. Therefore extending any contract will affect the reporting for previous years too
I presumed that too, but when some while ago I put it to Tristan (he of the recent podcast, with a background in football accounts auditing) he said not so.
I would be astounded if that was true. Not at an accountant but sounds very Irish to me. Suspect actually a one year extension just splits the last years amortisation in half, over two years instead of one
Agree as you would then be changing PPG past years FFP calculations which would make no sense at all as you could get money back to spend in past seasons and that cant be right lol
Quote from: Statto on July 29, 2021, 02:20:22 PM
Quote from: b+w geezer on July 29, 2021, 01:55:24 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 29, 2021, 01:50:48 PM
for example if you sign a player 30 million over a 5 year deal it will cost you 6 million a season, say then at the end of contract we extend the contract by 1 more year. That deal will be reported FFP wise as costing 5million a year rather than 6 million a year for the whole duration of the contract. Therefore extending any contract will affect the reporting for previous years too
I presumed that too, but when some while ago I put it to Tristan (he of the recent podcast, with a background in football accounts auditing) he said not so.
I would be astounded if that was true. Not at an accountant but sounds very Irish to me. Suspect actually a one year extension just splits the last years amortisation in half, over two years instead of one
Exactly - FFP is taken into consideration over a rolling 3-year period (Ithought), so you cant retrospectively change the amortisation figures of seasons outside of that rolling period as theyve already been accounted for surely?
ARELOA HAVING WEST HAM MEDICAL
PSG goalkeeper Alphonse Areola is in London for a medical with West Ham United.
A deal has been agreed with PSG over an initial loan with an option to buy. Personal terms have been agreed in principle.
Areola spent last season on loan with Fulham. PSG are happy to let him go following the arrival of Gianluigi Donnarumma.
This is the one I was most sad to lose. Best keeper we've had imo. Amazing that all these players that "failed" us last year are getting picked up by premier league teams. Almost as if the recruitment was good, and the management was terrible...hmm
Quote from: Count Flapula on July 29, 2021, 02:27:55 PM
Quote from: Statto on July 29, 2021, 02:20:22 PM
Quote from: b+w geezer on July 29, 2021, 01:55:24 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 29, 2021, 01:50:48 PM
for example if you sign a player 30 million over a 5 year deal it will cost you 6 million a season, say then at the end of contract we extend the contract by 1 more year. That deal will be reported FFP wise as costing 5million a year rather than 6 million a year for the whole duration of the contract. Therefore extending any contract will affect the reporting for previous years too
I presumed that too, but when some while ago I put it to Tristan (he of the recent podcast, with a background in football accounts auditing) he said not so.
I would be astounded if that was true. Not at an accountant but sounds very Irish to me. Suspect actually a one year extension just splits the last years amortisation in half, over two years instead of one
Exactly - FFP is taken into consideration over a rolling 3-year period (Ithought), so you cant retrospectively change the amortisation figures of seasons outside of that rolling period as theyve already been accounted for surely?
Be very surprised if by extending a year can go back and alter previous figures - restating figures in accounting is an avoid if possible situation so would be surprised if this is how it works!
Quote from: Caedal on July 29, 2021, 02:31:58 PM
ARELOA HAVING WEST HAM MEDICAL
PSG goalkeeper Alphonse Areola is in London for a medical with West Ham United.
A deal has been agreed with PSG over an initial loan with an option to buy. Personal terms have been agreed in principle.
Areola spent last season on loan with Fulham. PSG are happy to let him go following the arrival of Gianluigi Donnarumma.
This is the one I was most sad to lose. Best keeper we've had imo. Amazing that all these players that "failed" us last year are getting picked up by premier league teams. Almost as if the recruitment was good, and the management was terrible...hmm
Big fan of his - I think we could have kept him if we stayed up. No hard feelings about him heading to West Ham; he wants to play in the prem and has a house in London. I'm kind of surprised that Arsenal weren't in for him (given their keeper issues)
Quote from: Craven Mad on July 29, 2021, 02:56:55 PM
Quote from: Caedal on July 29, 2021, 02:31:58 PM
ARELOA HAVING WEST HAM MEDICAL
PSG goalkeeper Alphonse Areola is in London for a medical with West Ham United.
A deal has been agreed with PSG over an initial loan with an option to buy. Personal terms have been agreed in principle.
Areola spent last season on loan with Fulham. PSG are happy to let him go following the arrival of Gianluigi Donnarumma.
This is the one I was most sad to lose. Best keeper we've had imo. Amazing that all these players that "failed" us last year are getting picked up by premier league teams. Almost as if the recruitment was good, and the management was terrible...hmm
Big fan of his - I think we could have kept him if we stayed up. No hard feelings about him heading to West Ham; he wants to play in the prem and has a house in London. I'm kind of surprised that Arsenal weren't in for him (given their keeper issues)
I've been telling my Arsenal supporting relations since the end of the season that they should be signing Andersen and Areola. They could have them both for a combined £30m.
They are gutted that the club are still trying to sign Ramsdate and seem willing to pay the same amount for him alone. A massively inflated price and an inferior player to Areola (IMO)!
Quote from: Caedal on July 29, 2021, 02:31:58 PM
ARELOA HAVING WEST HAM MEDICAL
PSG goalkeeper Alphonse Areola is in London for a medical with West Ham United.
A deal has been agreed with PSG over an initial loan with an option to buy. Personal terms have been agreed in principle.
Areola spent last season on loan with Fulham. PSG are happy to let him go following the arrival of Gianluigi Donnarumma.
This is the one I was most sad to lose. Best keeper we've had imo. Amazing that all these players that "failed" us last year are getting picked up by premier league teams. Almost as if the recruitment was good, and the management was terrible...hmm
Brilliant keeper and a real coup for West Ham.
Good to read that MS is seeking to give Mitrovic some proper support now. For me, both Mitro & TC are key players & spurious talk of them leaving FFC is, in my view, daft. MS seems to be looking to plug gaps that we all know existed & with some attractive football planned, it could be a positive season in the Championship, & don't we all need that!
Quote from: grandad on July 29, 2021, 12:36:02 PM
The only players I want sold are Seri, MLM, Knockaert & Fabri. We will need a full squad with it being a longer season & the threat of a Covid outbreak within the Club.
Would just suggest that we may still have too many center backs left with Tosin, Mawson, Hector Ream, Kongolo and Odoi.
Quote from: filham on July 29, 2021, 05:04:19 PM
Quote from: grandad on July 29, 2021, 12:36:02 PM
The only players I want sold are Seri, MLM, Knockaert & Fabri. We will need a full squad with it being a longer season & the threat of a Covid outbreak within the Club.
Would just suggest that we may still have too many center backs left with Tosin, Mawson, Hector Ream, Kongolo and Odoi.
I'd keep all minus one of either Hector or Mawson, to be loaned out. Odoi is a good versatile player who can fill in at RB and LB. Ream, while not great, can fill in LB too.
None of these players will be on huge PL wages either, especially as every player's contract had a relegation clause for a wage reduction. We'd ideally need to offload someone like Anguissa/Seri/both to free up FFP.
Fulham are now favourite to sign Rodrigo Muniz Flag of Brazil from Flamengo on a permanent deal. Cottagers have offered €6M up front plus €2M in a second instalment, letting the Rio de Janeiro side keep 20% of a future sale. #FFC #Boro #Flamengo (Twitter)
Interesting if true that we were willing to pay almost double to have a contract that was "backloaded" rather than this somewhat cut rate deal to pay up front.
Seeing Areola in a West Ham shirt hurts more than Andersen in a Palace one I think. He could've been our first choice keeper for the best part of a decade if we'd stayed up last season and been able to buy him
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 29, 2021, 05:43:54 PM
Seeing Areola in a West Ham shirt hurts more than Andersen in a Palace one I think. He could've been our first choice keeper for the best part of a decade if we'd stayed up last season and been able to buy him
Agreed. He was my favourite player last year and not only pulled off remarkable saves but had class in every aspect of his life. Think he would've happily stayed had we stayed up. Wish Parker had been replaced earlier in the season as really think with someone with more nous of the league and more experience as a manager would've kept us up.
Harsh realities of being relegated - but time to look forward, things seem to be taking a bit of shape now.
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 29, 2021, 05:43:54 PM
Seeing Areola in a West Ham shirt hurts more than Andersen in a Palace one I think. He could've been our first choice keeper for the best part of a decade if we'd stayed up last season and been able to buy him
Agree that's the one thats done me personally
Quote from: filham on July 29, 2021, 05:04:19 PM
Quote from: grandad on July 29, 2021, 12:36:02 PM
The only players I want sold are Seri, MLM, Knockaert & Fabri. We will need a full squad with it being a longer season & the threat of a Covid outbreak within the Club.
Would just suggest that we may still have too many center backs left with Tosin, Mawson, Hector Ream, Kongolo and Odoi.
While he can play at CB i still see Odoi as a full back. So for me we have those 5 plus MLM as it stands
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 29, 2021, 01:50:48 PM
Quote from: junior white on July 29, 2021, 11:48:21 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 29, 2021, 11:46:26 AM
Quote from: Arthur on July 29, 2021, 11:42:05 AM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 29, 2021, 11:08:52 AM
I know its been said on here before, but with FFP... if you signed someone for 6m on 3 year contract... does it go down as 6, 0, 0 or 2, 2, 2 or does it all depend on all how you split the payments
Typically, I believe, the payment would be split equally over the length of a player's contract - so £2M per year in the example you quote.
If the Club wants to pay more of the outstanding sum sooner, I believe it can - in your example again, if FFP permitted, the club could write off the remaining £4M in the second year of the player's stay.
If the player leaves the club before the expiry of his contract, any outstanding amount has to be accounted for in that season - of course, whatever fee is received for the player can be used to offset the remaining debt.
Amortisation, and its impact on FFP, is, as others are saying, conceivably the reason why we have held onto a player such as Seri despite his not playing for us for the past two years.
The situation with Seri, however, is far from clear because the deal with Nice was a joint one involving Le Marchand. Whilst the overall fee - supposedly in the region of £28M - represented the actual evaluation of their combined worth, we were asked to over-pay for Le Marchand and under-pay for Seri in order that Nice avoid some sort of bonus outlay to Seri.
It's also the reason we extended Fabri, MLM's contract at the end of the season too. So for FFP purpose the fees drop per season as they are calculating it over a longer period
Only forward seasons you mean?, cant change past seasons surely ?
If only forward as i suspect then the difference would not be massive but every little helps i guess
No so FFP wise the whole deal will be reported differently, so for example if you sign a player 30 million over a 5 year deal it will cost you 6 million a season, say then at the end of contract we extend the contract by 1 more year. That deal will be reported FFP wise as costing 5million a year rather than 6 million a year for the whole duration of the contract. Therefore extending any contract will affect the reporting for previous years too
Sorry but I don't think that's correct, it would require a retrospective amendment to out historical accounts and I can't see how that would make sense or be permitted. As I understand, a contract extension only changes the amount remaining to be amortised. So, as a simple example, if the contract extension is triggered when there is one year left on the contract then that amount would be divided in half over two years.
https://twitter.com/venecasagrande/status/1420856626450505733?s=21
"Fulham's CEO talks to Flamengo, sews the last details and approaches the hiring of Rodrigo Muniz"
Apparently it's circa £6m up front and a 5 year contract so shouldn't hamstring us with regards to FFP
Mackintosh, eh?
There's a blast from the past..
"The current coach of the team, Portuguese Marco Silva, wants the Brazilian center forward in his squad and even called the athlete to talk to him, which made all the difference in the choice."
(https://twitter.com/venecasagrande/status/1420858779671973898)
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on July 29, 2021, 10:36:50 PM
Mackintosh, eh?
There's a blast from the past..
Interesting tongue and cheek observation. I had to look on fulhamfc.com to see whether AM was still at the club. It appears he is still there.
Where's Tony and his wrestling friends? Earlier in the summer we heard the kid was going to be relegated to the naughty corner with Craig Kline, but is he really down for the count with Fulham recruitment?
MASSIVE step forward if so. Put him behind the bar at McBride's at half time!
Quote from: The Rock on July 29, 2021, 10:47:19 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on July 29, 2021, 10:36:50 PM
Mackintosh, eh?
There's a blast from the past..
Interesting tongue and cheek observation. I had to look on fulhamfc.com to see whether AM was still at the club. It appears he is still there.
Where's Tony and his wrestling friends? Earlier in the summer we heard the kid was going to be relegated to the naughty corner with Craig Kline, but is he really down for the count with Fulham recruitment?
MASSIVE step forward if so. Put him behind the bar at McBride's at half time!
Didn't we sign someone else for the recruitment team as well as TK last season or recently? Believe we did so Tony could have help and spread himself across his other ventured.
Scratch that. The guy came in Jan 2020 and had left by Sept the same year.
https://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2020/september/Pereira-Departs/
There was a rumour of the guy rejoining us a month or so ago, which is why you may have gotten mixed up. He was also Joka's number two back in the day.
Watford's pursuit of Grimes is surely linked to Will Hughes running down his contract. (ie Grimes is basically a replacement for the outgoing Hughes)
If Watford get Grimes, I hope we turn our attention straight to Will Hughes (who Watford seem to accept is leaving this summer, and was linked to us earlier in the summer anyway).
Hughes was Silva's first signing at Watford, lives in London and would be a great signing for us.
I've been plugging we go for Hughes for years. Would love him here but I can't see it. A lower half prem side will snap him up.
Quote from: Craven Mad on July 30, 2021, 06:55:47 AM
Watford's pursuit of Grimes is surely linked to Will Hughes running down his contract. (ie Grimes is basically a replacement for the outgoing Hughes)
If Watford get Grimes, I hope we turn our attention straight to Will Hughes (who Watford seem to accept is leaving this summer, and was linked to us earlier in the summer anyway).
Hughes was Silva's first signing at Watford, lives in London and would be a great signing for us.
Haven't Newcastle been linked to Hughes?
Hughes or Brimes sound good, Silva has experience with both of them so risk would be minimal.
With Cairney injured, Stefjo and McDonald gone we are having to rebuild our midfield and the sooner this is done the better. We cannot afford for it to carry on into the January Window.
Surely we only need to "rebuild" the midfield if Anguissa and Seri are leaving? Do we know what formation Silva is looking to play? I've seen zero rumours linking Seri with an exit, and only the palace link for Frank.
Could be Silva sees the midfield of Reed Anguissa Seri as his first choice, with Cainey, Onomah, BDR etc as options
https://twitter.com/venecasagrande/status/1421057536514527240?s=21 (https://twitter.com/venecasagrande/status/1421057536514527240?s=21)
Guy who broke the original story and other Brazilian news outlets have confirmed that the deal is agreed. Expect we will announce once he's had his medical.
Quote from: dfwilson84 on July 30, 2021, 12:20:11 PM
https://twitter.com/venecasagrande/status/1421057536514527240?s=21 (https://twitter.com/venecasagrande/status/1421057536514527240?s=21)
Guy who broke the original story and other Brazilian news outlets have confirmed that the deal is agreed. Expect we will announce once he's had his medical.
Don't forget the club needs a good pun too.
Am
munizition?
Are the midfielders we're rumored to be in for better options to help us achieve promotion than simply keeping Anguissa? Sure, he wasn't great last season...but I still think he's one of our best midfielders...and that won't change even once (or if) Grimes comes in.
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Bad translation of a tweet regarding Muniz:
Flamengo accepts Fulham's offer for Rodrigo Muniz and arranges for the striker's sale, who will start medical tests in Brazil before traveling to sign a 5-year bond. Coach Marco Silva dreams of having him in the season premiere, on the 8th, against Middlesbrough
Quote from: Caedal on July 30, 2021, 11:55:13 AM
Surely we only need to "rebuild" the midfield if Anguissa and Seri are leaving? Do we know what formation Silva is looking to play? I've seen zero rumours linking Seri with an exit, and only the palace link for Frank.
Could be Silva sees the midfield of Reed Anguissa Seri as his first choice, with Cainey, Onomah, BDR etc as options
Reed/ Anguissa/ Seri sounds pretty good to me but both Seri and Anguissa in the past have made it clear they will not play for us outside of the premier league. Suspect a big club may come in for them late in the window leaving us in trouble.
I believe what someone like Grimes brings, is leadership and organisation to our midfield, which has been missing since superkev dropped out. TC has never offered this and good as Harrison is, he's not Roy Keene, Souness or Dave Mackay.
Those expecting better things from Anguissa are likely, I'm afraid, to be disappointed. For me, his weaknesses outweigh his strengths by some way and he can't even discipline his own play, let alone lead and inspire those around him.
If not Grimes, then someone like him hopefully.
I read that fabian delph is been allowed leave everton ,I would take him
Quote from: MikeTheCubed on July 30, 2021, 12:26:33 PM
Quote from: dfwilson84 on July 30, 2021, 12:20:11 PM
https://twitter.com/venecasagrande/status/1421057536514527240?s=21 (https://twitter.com/venecasagrande/status/1421057536514527240?s=21)
Guy who broke the original story and other Brazilian news outlets have confirmed that the deal is agreed. Expect we will announce once he's had his medical.
Don't forget the club needs a good pun too.
Ammunizition?
Like that one.
I had thought if we had done a double grimes and muniz one we could've tried something along the lines of Grime(s) music or Samba Muniz (brazils traditional type of dance).
Fulham win race to sign player after talks with Mackintosh – Set to sign five-year deal, awaiting document
Fulham's offer for Flamengo striker Rodrigo Muniz has been accepted, the Brazilian media says.
According to outlet O Dia, the bid was made on Thursday following a contact from the Cottagers' CEO Alistair Mackintosh. The positive reply was given on Friday morning.
Reporter Venê Casagrande writes that Muniz has even received the papers from the Championship side already, and now prepares to complete the move, which only depends on a document to arrive at the Brazilian club.
Fulham's latest bid on the table was of €4m up front plus €4m in a second instalment. They're letting Flamengo keep 20% of a future transfer.
Casagrande writes that Flamengo also had an offer from Middlesbrough, and actually weren't confident that Fulham would make a bid for a permanent transfer, as the Whites' first offer for a loan with an option to buy had been turned down.
However, with the 'distrust' from the Rio de Janeiro side, Mackintosh called director Bruno Spindel to sort the final details.
It's said that Flamengo tried to convince Muniz's representatives of taking Boro's offer, as the Riverside club had put on the table €5m and would let them keep 50% of a future move. However, the player and agents chose Fulham instead.
The striker is set to join the Cottagers on a five-year deal, with a 'very good' salary.
Yesterday, we covered all the details of his chat with Marco Silva, which had also been revealed by Venê Casagrande.
http://sportwitness.co.uk/fulham-win-race-sign-player-talks-mackintosh-set-sign-five-year-deal-awaiting-document/
Quote from: whitejc on July 30, 2021, 02:33:08 PM
Fulham win race to sign player after talks with Mackintosh – Set to sign five-year deal, awaiting document
Fulham's offer for Flamengo striker Rodrigo Muniz has been accepted, the Brazilian media says.
According to outlet O Dia, the bid was made on Thursday following a contact from the Cottagers' CEO Alistair Mackintosh. The positive reply was given on Friday morning.
Reporter Venê Casagrande writes that Muniz has even received the papers from the Championship side already, and now prepares to complete the move, which only depends on a document to arrive at the Brazilian club.
Fulham's latest bid on the table was of €4m up front plus €4m in a second instalment. They're letting Flamengo keep 20% of a future transfer.
Casagrande writes that Flamengo also had an offer from Middlesbrough, and actually weren't confident that Fulham would make a bid for a permanent transfer, as the Whites' first offer for a loan with an option to buy had been turned down.
However, with the 'distrust' from the Rio de Janeiro side, Mackintosh called director Bruno Spindel to sort the final details.
It's said that Flamengo tried to convince Muniz's representatives of taking Boro's offer, as the Riverside club had put on the table €5m and would let them keep 50% of a future move. However, the player and agents chose Fulham instead.
The striker is set to join the Cottagers on a five-year deal, with a 'very good' salary.
Yesterday, we covered all the details of his chat with Marco Silva, which had also been revealed by Venê Casagrande.
http://sportwitness.co.uk/fulham-win-race-sign-player-talks-mackintosh-set-sign-five-year-deal-awaiting-document/
Where it says 'a very good salary' he was on 800 quid a week at Flamengo, so would imagine a very good wage for him may not be that high
Mun iz the man? Mun iz the one??
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 30, 2021, 02:48:25 PM
Quote from: whitejc on July 30, 2021, 02:33:08 PM
Fulham win race to sign player after talks with Mackintosh – Set to sign five-year deal, awaiting document
Fulham's offer for Flamengo striker Rodrigo Muniz has been accepted, the Brazilian media says.
According to outlet O Dia, the bid was made on Thursday following a contact from the Cottagers' CEO Alistair Mackintosh. The positive reply was given on Friday morning.
Reporter Venê Casagrande writes that Muniz has even received the papers from the Championship side already, and now prepares to complete the move, which only depends on a document to arrive at the Brazilian club.
Fulham's latest bid on the table was of €4m up front plus €4m in a second instalment. They're letting Flamengo keep 20% of a future transfer.
Casagrande writes that Flamengo also had an offer from Middlesbrough, and actually weren't confident that Fulham would make a bid for a permanent transfer, as the Whites' first offer for a loan with an option to buy had been turned down.
However, with the 'distrust' from the Rio de Janeiro side, Mackintosh called director Bruno Spindel to sort the final details.
It's said that Flamengo tried to convince Muniz's representatives of taking Boro's offer, as the Riverside club had put on the table €5m and would let them keep 50% of a future move. However, the player and agents chose Fulham instead.
The striker is set to join the Cottagers on a five-year deal, with a 'very good' salary.
Yesterday, we covered all the details of his chat with Marco Silva, which had also been revealed by Venê Casagrande.
http://sportwitness.co.uk/fulham-win-race-sign-player-talks-mackintosh-set-sign-five-year-deal-awaiting-document/
Where it says 'a very good salary' he was on 800 quid a week at Flamengo, so would imagine a very good wage for him may not be that high
I nearly moved to brasil once upon a time and visited there a few times to figure out whether it was the right decision to make at the time and honestly if you earn anything above 30k gbp you're in middle upper class territory with a very good quality of life. It is very cheap there. If he was on 2 or 3 grand a week he'd be vaulted into a very high lifestyle in Brazil.
Fulham to be ImMUNIZed
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on July 30, 2021, 12:42:24 PM
Are the midfielders we're rumored to be in for better options to help us achieve promotion than simply keeping Anguissa? Sure, he wasn't great last season...but I still think he's one of our best midfielders...and that won't change even once (or if) Grimes comes in.
Didn't Zambo start last season in fine fettle and only really start to look off the pace following a bout of Covid towards the end of the year?
MUNIZ too tight to mention?
Quote from: Tonywa on July 30, 2021, 03:34:40 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on July 30, 2021, 12:42:24 PM
Are the midfielders we're rumored to be in for better options to help us achieve promotion than simply keeping Anguissa? Sure, he wasn't great last season...but I still think he's one of our best midfielders...and that won't change even once (or if) Grimes comes in.
Didn't Zambo start last season in fine fettle and only really start to look off the pace following a bout of Covid towards the end of the year?
It just seems odd to me that so many are quick to move him out when he's obviously good enough to help us come right back up. I mean...if the reports are true that Liverpool are looking at him...unless they pay 25 million (which they won't) I'd keep Frank.
"Show me the Muniz "
Muniz Muniz Muniz
Is a honey
In the Fulham Way
(sorry Abba)
Muniz and Grimes signings over the week end would be terrific we then just have to ensure that we hold on to Robinson, Mitro, Reed and Tosin and we are all set for an interesting season in the promotion race.
Opoku has signed for Vejle BK on loan with a permanent option. The Danish side has confirmed it, no word from Fulham yet though.
Quote from: twang on July 30, 2021, 05:41:58 PM
Opoku has signed for Vejle BK on loan with a permanent option. The Danish side has confirmed it, no word from Fulham yet though.
https://vejle-boldklub.dk/vejle-boldklub-lejer-talentfuld-forsvarsspiller-i-fulham-f-c/
The pertinent part through google translate:
"At the same time, we believe that if Jerome has a good season in Vejle, then he can have a great future here. That is why we have also attached a buy-out clause."
Pink Floyd...
'Money' - but needs a better song writer to continue:
Muniz and the Grimes
Came to Fulham to take us high
Muniz and the Grimes............
Quote from: BestOfBrede on July 30, 2021, 05:50:47 PM
Pink Floyd...
'Money' - but needs a better song writer to continue:
"Money, it's a gas, grab that cash with both hands and make a stash. New car, caviar, 5-star daydream, think I'll join me a football team..."
Quote from: Holders on July 30, 2021, 06:17:27 PM
Quote from: BestOfBrede on July 30, 2021, 05:50:47 PM
Pink Floyd...
'Money' - but needs a better song writer to continue:
"Money, it's a gas, grab that cash with both hands and make a stash. New car, caviar, 5-star daydream, think I'll join me a football team..."
:54:
Quote from: twang on July 30, 2021, 05:41:58 PM
Opoku has signed for Vejle BK on loan with a permanent option. The Danish side has confirmed it, no word from Fulham yet though.
Fulham have finally confirmed the Opoku loan.
https://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2021/july/Opoku-Joins-Vejle/
Is this just a re-hashed story? I thought the Dembele pursuit had dwindled.
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/fulham-stoke-bournemouth-enter-transfer-chase-for-championship-attacker/
Quote from: Barrett487 on July 31, 2021, 10:07:37 AM
Is this just a re-hashed story? I thought the Dembele pursuit had dwindled.
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/fulham-stoke-bournemouth-enter-transfer-chase-for-championship-attacker/
Can't see us getting him with Barry fry slagging us off in the press
Quote from: Barrett487 on July 31, 2021, 10:07:37 AM
Is this just a re-hashed story? I thought the Dembele pursuit had dwindled.
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/fulham-stoke-bournemouth-enter-transfer-chase-for-championship-attacker/
No thanks, not with his pre season Achilles problems. We have had too many players coming with injury problems.
Lost in Muniz
Flamengo confirmed he tested positive for Covid yesterday. Assume it will delay the transfer by a week or so but as we weren't banking on him being a starter it's not the end of the world. As Brazilian leagues are mid season he won't have any fitness issues so once out of isolation he can hit the ground running.
For those old enough
John Miles
Muniz was my first love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egwARrX1ik8
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 31, 2021, 01:10:06 PM
Flamengo confirmed he tested positive for Covid yesterday. Assume it will delay the transfer by a week or so but as we weren't banking on him being a starter it's not the end of the world. As Brazilian leagues are mid season he won't have any fitness issues so once out of isolation he can hit the ground running.
Yep, Vene Casagrande confirms the deal is already done so will delay the announcement
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 31, 2021, 01:28:54 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 31, 2021, 01:10:06 PM
Flamengo confirmed he tested positive for Covid yesterday. Assume it will delay the transfer by a week or so but as we weren't banking on him being a starter it's not the end of the world. As Brazilian leagues are mid season he won't have any fitness issues so once out of isolation he can hit the ground running.
Yep, Vene Casagrande confirms the deal is already done so will delay the announcement
The deal is never done until the medical is completed, and at the moment the medical isn't completed.
Quote from: Riversider on July 31, 2021, 01:53:16 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 31, 2021, 01:28:54 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 31, 2021, 01:10:06 PM
Flamengo confirmed he tested positive for Covid yesterday. Assume it will delay the transfer by a week or so but as we weren't banking on him being a starter it's not the end of the world. As Brazilian leagues are mid season he won't have any fitness issues so once out of isolation he can hit the ground running.
Yep, Vene Casagrande confirms the deal is already done so will delay the announcement
The deal is never done until the medical is completed, and at the moment the medical isn't completed.
Which is why i wait for the offal announcement
Quote from: Riversider on July 31, 2021, 01:53:16 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 31, 2021, 01:28:54 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 31, 2021, 01:10:06 PM
Flamengo confirmed he tested positive for Covid yesterday. Assume it will delay the transfer by a week or so but as we weren't banking on him being a starter it's not the end of the world. As Brazilian leagues are mid season he won't have any fitness issues so once out of isolation he can hit the ground running.
Yep, Vene Casagrande confirms the deal is already done so will delay the announcement
The deal is never done until the medical is completed, and at the moment the medical isn't completed.
Wasn't it done yesterday hence the covid news? Thought the medical was being done in brasil for this deal.
Quote from: Riversider on July 31, 2021, 01:53:16 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on July 31, 2021, 01:28:54 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 31, 2021, 01:10:06 PM
Flamengo confirmed he tested positive for Covid yesterday. Assume it will delay the transfer by a week or so but as we weren't banking on him being a starter it's not the end of the world. As Brazilian leagues are mid season he won't have any fitness issues so once out of isolation he can hit the ground running.
Yep, Vene Casagrande confirms the deal is already done so will delay the announcement
The deal is never done until the medical is completed, and at the moment the medical isn't completed.
The medical was in two parts, one part being done in Brazil and the final part is being done in the UK which they can do after he's finished isolating
https://twitter.com/hammyend/status/1421534487230484489?s=21
Flamengo have tonight moved the goalposts over Muniz , they now want Fulham to pay more for a lesser share, 75% instead of 80%
If we've got any sense at all we would walk away now.
Quote from: Riversider on August 01, 2021, 12:09:51 AM
Flamengo have tonight moved the goalposts over Muniz , they now want Fulham to pay more for a lesser share, 75% instead of 80%
If we've got any sense at all we would walk away now.
Source? We'll be taken to the cleaners for sure. What's an extra 5% and a 2 week delay due to Covid?
I still think we'll get him and it will be fine. The force is strong with Silva and Muniz. It's meant to be, until it is not.
Quote from: The Rock on August 01, 2021, 12:34:28 AM
Quote from: Riversider on August 01, 2021, 12:09:51 AM
Flamengo have tonight moved the goalposts over Muniz , they now want Fulham to pay more for a lesser share, 75% instead of 80%
If we've got any sense at all we would walk away now.
Source? We'll be taken to the cleaners for sure. What's an extra 5% and a 2 week delay due to Covid?
I still think we'll get him and it will be fine. The force is strong with Silva and Muniz. It's meant to be, until it is not.
It's the same journo from brasil who has been across the story quite reliably since the beginning.
Apparently fulham had everything agreed but then heard what flamengo had agreed with boro (lesser terms) - we agreed to pay 80% of players cost up to 8 million but 'apparently ' boros accepted offer was 50%, so typical Khan is trying to renegotiate. That's apparently the latest.
Would seem stupid for one or the other to try to pull the wool over the others eyes. Seems very childish. Hopefully everything will be signed and done soon and this won't actually be a thing.
The same journalist also said it was a done deal beforehand so I don't know how it could be a done deal and then not be so.
https://twitter.com/venecasagrande/status/1421605680591613953?s=19
Have to admit the translations aren't the best and are slightly confusing.
This is a better translation that seems to explain the situation a bit better.
https://twitter.com/pedroxavier021/status/1421607092931211269?s=19
Loosely translated
- Flamengo asked for a value, Fulham accepted. - Flamengo saw that it was easy, asked for a taller one, Fulham did not accept and returned the first one. -> Fulham discovered that Flamengo, before negotiating with them, accepted a lower mt proposal and then lowered the price they were paying
Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 12:51:47 AM
This is a better translation that seems to explain the situation a bit better.
https://twitter.com/pedroxavier021/status/1421607092931211269?s=19
Loosely translated
- Flamengo asked for a value, Fulham accepted. - Flamengo saw that it was easy, asked for a taller one, Fulham did not accept and returned the first one. -> Fulham discovered that Flamengo, before negotiating with them, accepted a lower mt proposal and then lowered the price they were paying
So Flamengo now trying to get mor money upfront?
An unknown hopefully one o f our ITK's can update us
Muniz what's all the fuss about we shouldn't be relying on a 20 year novice.
NFR. If Grealish decides not to leave, villa are in big ffp problems.
Quote from: junior white on August 01, 2021, 08:17:29 AM
Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 12:51:47 AM
This is a better translation that seems to explain the situation a bit better.
https://twitter.com/pedroxavier021/status/1421607092931211269?s=19
Loosely translated
- Flamengo asked for a value, Fulham accepted. - Flamengo saw that it was easy, asked for a taller one, Fulham did not accept and returned the first one. -> Fulham discovered that Flamengo, before negotiating with them, accepted a lower mt proposal and then lowered the price they were paying
So Flamengo now trying to get mor money upfront?
An unknown hopefully one o f our ITK's can update us
No. Looks like we're trying to pay less in line with a lower offer that flamengo accepted from boro.
Quote from: AJW48361 on August 01, 2021, 08:19:02 AM
Muniz what's all the fuss about we shouldn't be relying on a 20 year novice.
The fuss is he's Silva's number one target, he had him lined up for wherever he ended up managing. It's backing the manager & it's actually good to see from Fulham
How good is he? We don't know, an element of risk for sure but he could turn out to be a brilliant buy
Domestically, can't see too many stand out players who we could attract either
Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 09:38:13 AM
Quote from: junior white on August 01, 2021, 08:17:29 AM
Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 12:51:47 AM
This is a better translation that seems to explain the situation a bit better.
https://twitter.com/pedroxavier021/status/1421607092931211269?s=19
Loosely translated
- Flamengo asked for a value, Fulham accepted. - Flamengo saw that it was easy, asked for a taller one, Fulham did not accept and returned the first one. -> Fulham discovered that Flamengo, before negotiating with them, accepted a lower mt proposal and then lowered the price they were paying
So Flamengo now trying to get mor money upfront?
An unknown hopefully one o f our ITK's can update us
No. Looks like we're trying to pay less in line with a lower offer that flamengo accepted from boro.
So this deal is actually probably better for Flamengo in the long run. If he is good and sell him for 40 million. They will get 20 million of it! For what it's worth, I still think the deal happens. It seems both teams are bartering for a better deal
Quote from: bobby01 on August 01, 2021, 09:28:05 AM
NFR. If Grealish decides not to leave, villa are in big ffp problems.
Doesn't apply in the Premiership
Quote from: gang on August 01, 2021, 10:11:03 AM
Quote from: bobby01 on August 01, 2021, 09:28:05 AM
NFR. If Grealish decides not to leave, villa are in big ffp problems.
Doesn't apply in the Premiership
Pretty sure ffp is there as well just a larger amount
https://www.footballtransfertavern.com/fulham-fc-news/exclusive-efl-insider-says-lys-mousset-could-be-tempted-to-swap-sheffield-for-fulham-e185/
Exclusive: EFL insider says Lys Mousset could be tempted to swap Sheffield for Fulham
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 01, 2021, 10:53:36 AM
https://www.footballtransfertavern.com/fulham-fc-news/exclusive-efl-insider-says-lys-mousset-could-be-tempted-to-swap-sheffield-for-fulham-e185/
Exclusive: EFL insider says Lys Mousset could be tempted to swap Sheffield for Fulham
This article says absolutely nothing but I do rate Mousset.
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 01, 2021, 10:04:20 AM
Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 09:38:13 AM
Quote from: junior white on August 01, 2021, 08:17:29 AM
Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 12:51:47 AM
This is a better translation that seems to explain the situation a bit better.
https://twitter.com/pedroxavier021/status/1421607092931211269?s=19
Loosely translated
- Flamengo asked for a value, Fulham accepted. - Flamengo saw that it was easy, asked for a taller one, Fulham did not accept and returned the first one. -> Fulham discovered that Flamengo, before negotiating with them, accepted a lower mt proposal and then lowered the price they were paying
So Flamengo now trying to get mor money upfront?
An unknown hopefully one o f our ITK's can update us
No. Looks like we're trying to pay less in line with a lower offer that flamengo accepted from boro.
So this deal is actually probably better for Flamengo in the long run. If he is good and sell him for 40 million. They will get 20 million of it! For what it's worth, I still think the deal happens. It seems both teams are bartering for a better deal
No, the deal is better for us from what I can tell, but that's only if we successfully renegotiate which if we are trying to do isn't guaranteed. I hope we get the deal over the line
Quote from: AJW48361 on August 01, 2021, 08:19:02 AM
Muniz what's all the fuss about we shouldn't be relying on a 20 year novice.
He's considered to be a pretty promising talent in Brazil but a lot if Brazilian fans. He was third choice striker for flamengo but 20 and they're one of the better/best/biggest clubs in South America and they've apparently got two very good forwards in front of him.
Seems a few flamengo fans are disappointed to see him go and have said that they think he has all the attributes to be a Brazil international number 9. He's strong, good in the air, has pace etc.
I think silva knows this and believes he can train him to get to that level.
It is a punt but out of all the youth players we've signed over the years (casasola for instance and others) he seems the most developed.
The equivalent , although I appreciate the difference in league quality and overall standard, would be taking a youth player a level down perhaps from Saka or Rowe for instance who's at the beginning of that journey where they have the potential to be a starter and are on their way.
Ahead of where Roberts was when we sold him, if you remember the hype around him and then his move but failed ability to prove himself at city. Muniz is kinda at the stage where he's at a city equivalent but getting games and scoring.
Quote from: AJW48361 on August 01, 2021, 08:19:02 AM
Muniz what's all the fuss about we shouldn't be relying on a 20 year novice.
Agree and we know that overseas players new to this country are a risk and can have difficulty settling at the Cottage.
However with only nine goals scored at home last season and hardly a good shot on target yesterday we are desperate to introduce a spark into our attack.
Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 11:14:15 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 01, 2021, 10:04:20 AM
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Quote from: junior white on August 01, 2021, 08:17:29 AM
Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 12:51:47 AM
This is a better translation that seems to explain the situation a bit better.
https://twitter.com/pedroxavier021/status/1421607092931211269?s=19
Loosely translated
- Flamengo asked for a value, Fulham accepted. - Flamengo saw that it was easy, asked for a taller one, Fulham did not accept and returned the first one. -> Fulham discovered that Flamengo, before negotiating with them, accepted a lower mt proposal and then lowered the price they were paying
So Flamengo now trying to get mor money upfront?
An unknown hopefully one o f our ITK's can update us
No. Looks like we're trying to pay less in line with a lower offer that flamengo accepted from boro.
So this deal is actually probably better for Flamengo in the long run. If he is good and sell him for 40 million. They will get 20 million of it! For what it's worth, I still think the deal happens. It seems both teams are bartering for a better deal
No, the deal is better for us from what I can tell, but that's only if we successfully renegotiate which if we are trying to do isn't guaranteed. I hope we get the deal over the line
Vene thinks Flamengo will accept the new deal
Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 11:14:15 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 01, 2021, 10:04:20 AM
Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 09:38:13 AM
Quote from: junior white on August 01, 2021, 08:17:29 AM
Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 12:51:47 AM
This is a better translation that seems to explain the situation a bit better.
https://twitter.com/pedroxavier021/status/1421607092931211269?s=19
Loosely translated
- Flamengo asked for a value, Fulham accepted. - Flamengo saw that it was easy, asked for a taller one, Fulham did not accept and returned the first one. -> Fulham discovered that Flamengo, before negotiating with them, accepted a lower mt proposal and then lowered the price they were paying
So Flamengo now trying to get mor money upfront?
An unknown hopefully one o f our ITK's can update us
No. Looks like we're trying to pay less in line with a lower offer that flamengo accepted from boro.
So this deal is actually probably better for Flamengo in the long run. If he is good and sell him for 40 million. They will get 20 million of it! For what it's worth, I still think the deal happens. It seems both teams are bartering for a better deal
No, the deal is better for us from what I can tell, but that's only if we successfully renegotiate which if we are trying to do isn't guaranteed. I hope we get the deal over the line
Think it is more of a win-win scenario. Fulham are not a selling club, so paying less upfront suits them from FFP and so on. Might mean they can purchase another player or keep someone if this season's fee is less. Long term if he turns into a star, it benefits Fulham as well. It likely means they are in the Premier League and 5-10 million extra in sell ons would be nice to keep, but long term is peanuts compared to Premier League $$$.
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Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 11:14:15 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 01, 2021, 10:04:20 AM
Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 09:38:13 AM
Quote from: junior white on August 01, 2021, 08:17:29 AM
Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 12:51:47 AM
This is a better translation that seems to explain the situation a bit better.
https://twitter.com/pedroxavier021/status/1421607092931211269?s=19
Loosely translated
- Flamengo asked for a value, Fulham accepted. - Flamengo saw that it was easy, asked for a taller one, Fulham did not accept and returned the first one. -> Fulham discovered that Flamengo, before negotiating with them, accepted a lower mt proposal and then lowered the price they were paying
So Flamengo now trying to get mor money upfront?
An unknown hopefully one o f our ITK's can update us
No. Looks like we're trying to pay less in line with a lower offer that flamengo accepted from boro.
So this deal is actually probably better for Flamengo in the long run. If he is good and sell him for 40 million. They will get 20 million of it! For what it's worth, I still think the deal happens. It seems both teams are bartering for a better deal
No, the deal is better for us from what I can tell, but that's only if we successfully renegotiate which if we are trying to do isn't guaranteed. I hope we get the deal over the line
Think it is more of a win-win scenario. Fulham are not a selling club, so paying less upfront suits them from FFP and so on. Might mean they can purchase another player or keep someone if this season's fee is less. Long term if he turns into a star, it benefits Fulham as well. It likely means they are in the Premier League and 5-10 million extra in sell ons would be nice to keep, but long term is peanuts compared to Premier League $$$.
Agreed on the points you make and it does seem as if the journo who has been most across this thinks the deal will go ahead regardless. The point I was making though was that if flamengo chose not to accept lower terms and the renegotiation than we may have shot ourselves in the foot as the short term gain is only ours as there's no guarantee they would've have accepted and that may have soured the water.
Also, re fair play point.. surely saving money on a deal being good for FFP and then taking the savings to spend ultimately leaves us not being good at FFP if you're just spending the difference anyway.
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Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 09:38:13 AM
Quote from: junior white on August 01, 2021, 08:17:29 AM
Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 12:51:47 AM
This is a better translation that seems to explain the situation a bit better.
https://twitter.com/pedroxavier021/status/1421607092931211269?s=19
Loosely translated
- Flamengo asked for a value, Fulham accepted. - Flamengo saw that it was easy, asked for a taller one, Fulham did not accept and returned the first one. -> Fulham discovered that Flamengo, before negotiating with them, accepted a lower mt proposal and then lowered the price they were paying
So Flamengo now trying to get mor money upfront?
An unknown hopefully one o f our ITK's can update us
No. Looks like we're trying to pay less in line with a lower offer that flamengo accepted from boro.
So this deal is actually probably better for Flamengo in the long run. If he is good and sell him for 40 million. They will get 20 million of it! For what it's worth, I still think the deal happens. It seems both teams are bartering for a better deal
No, the deal is better for us from what I can tell, but that's only if we successfully renegotiate which if we are trying to do isn't guaranteed. I hope we get the deal over the line
Think it is more of a win-win scenario. Fulham are not a selling club, so paying less upfront suits them from FFP and so on. Might mean they can purchase another player or keep someone if this season's fee is less. Long term if he turns into a star, it benefits Fulham as well. It likely means they are in the Premier League and 5-10 million extra in sell ons would be nice to keep, but long term is peanuts compared to Premier League $$$.
Agreed on the points you make and it does seem as if the journo who has been most across this thinks the deal will go ahead regardless. The point I was making though was that if flamengo chose not to accept lower terms and the renegotiation than we may have shot ourselves in the foot as the short term gain is only ours as there's no guarantee they would've have accepted and that may have soured the water.
Also, re fair play point.. surely saving money on a deal being good for FFP and then taking the savings to spend ultimately leaves us not being good at FFP if you're just spending the difference anyway.
Regarding FFP, it may be that another deal which is now on the table for another player will tip us over the edge FFP wise. Hence re-negotiation to a slightly smaller deal on this one
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Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 11:14:15 AM
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Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 09:38:13 AM
Quote from: junior white on August 01, 2021, 08:17:29 AM
Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 12:51:47 AM
This is a better translation that seems to explain the situation a bit better.
https://twitter.com/pedroxavier021/status/1421607092931211269?s=19
Loosely translated
- Flamengo asked for a value, Fulham accepted. - Flamengo saw that it was easy, asked for a taller one, Fulham did not accept and returned the first one. -> Fulham discovered that Flamengo, before negotiating with them, accepted a lower mt proposal and then lowered the price they were paying
So Flamengo now trying to get mor money upfront?
An unknown hopefully one o f our ITK's can update us
No. Looks like we're trying to pay less in line with a lower offer that flamengo accepted from boro.
So this deal is actually probably better for Flamengo in the long run. If he is good and sell him for 40 million. They will get 20 million of it! For what it's worth, I still think the deal happens. It seems both teams are bartering for a better deal
No, the deal is better for us from what I can tell, but that's only if we successfully renegotiate which if we are trying to do isn't guaranteed. I hope we get the deal over the line
Think it is more of a win-win scenario. Fulham are not a selling club, so paying less upfront suits them from FFP and so on. Might mean they can purchase another player or keep someone if this season's fee is less. Long term if he turns into a star, it benefits Fulham as well. It likely means they are in the Premier League and 5-10 million extra in sell ons would be nice to keep, but long term is peanuts compared to Premier League $$$.
Agreed on the points you make and it does seem as if the journo who has been most across this thinks the deal will go ahead regardless. The point I was making though was that if flamengo chose not to accept lower terms and the renegotiation than we may have shot ourselves in the foot as the short term gain is only ours as there's no guarantee they would've have accepted and that may have soured the water.
Also, re fair play point.. surely saving money on a deal being good for FFP and then taking the savings to spend ultimately leaves us not being good at FFP if you're just spending the difference anyway.
Regarding FFP, it may be that another deal which is now on the table for another player will tip us over the edge FFP wise. Hence re-negotiation to a slightly smaller deal on this one
Yes, this was my point.
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Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 11:14:15 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 01, 2021, 10:04:20 AM
Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 09:38:13 AM
Quote from: junior white on August 01, 2021, 08:17:29 AM
Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 12:51:47 AM
This is a better translation that seems to explain the situation a bit better.
https://twitter.com/pedroxavier021/status/1421607092931211269?s=19
Loosely translated
- Flamengo asked for a value, Fulham accepted. - Flamengo saw that it was easy, asked for a taller one, Fulham did not accept and returned the first one. -> Fulham discovered that Flamengo, before negotiating with them, accepted a lower mt proposal and then lowered the price they were paying
So Flamengo now trying to get mor money upfront?
An unknown hopefully one o f our ITK's can update us
No. Looks like we're trying to pay less in line with a lower offer that flamengo accepted from boro.
So this deal is actually probably better for Flamengo in the long run. If he is good and sell him for 40 million. They will get 20 million of it! For what it's worth, I still think the deal happens. It seems both teams are bartering for a better deal
No, the deal is better for us from what I can tell, but that's only if we successfully renegotiate which if we are trying to do isn't guaranteed. I hope we get the deal over the line
Vene thinks Flamengo will accept the new deal
Never heard of this guy, a South American journo. Would prefer a uk journo with any reputation to say something. As said before time to wai for the club to say something on he offal
Thisis where someone will say he is a highly respected and informed journalist in South America, i cant say yes or no as never heard of him but i am sure there are some South American football followers who do know him
Quote from: junior white on August 01, 2021, 05:52:09 PM
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Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 11:14:15 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 01, 2021, 10:04:20 AM
Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 09:38:13 AM
Quote from: junior white on August 01, 2021, 08:17:29 AM
Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 12:51:47 AM
This is a better translation that seems to explain the situation a bit better.
https://twitter.com/pedroxavier021/status/1421607092931211269?s=19
Loosely translated
- Flamengo asked for a value, Fulham accepted. - Flamengo saw that it was easy, asked for a taller one, Fulham did not accept and returned the first one. -> Fulham discovered that Flamengo, before negotiating with them, accepted a lower mt proposal and then lowered the price they were paying
So Flamengo now trying to get mor money upfront?
An unknown hopefully one o f our ITK's can update us
No. Looks like we're trying to pay less in line with a lower offer that flamengo accepted from boro.
So this deal is actually probably better for Flamengo in the long run. If he is good and sell him for 40 million. They will get 20 million of it! For what it's worth, I still think the deal happens. It seems both teams are bartering for a better deal
No, the deal is better for us from what I can tell, but that's only if we successfully renegotiate which if we are trying to do isn't guaranteed. I hope we get the deal over the line
Vene thinks Flamengo will accept the new deal
Never heard of this guy, a South American journo. Would prefer a uk journo with any reputation to say something. As said before time to wai for the club to say something on he offal
Thisis where someone will say he is a highly respected and informed journalist in South America, i cant say yes or no as never heard of him but i am sure there are some South American football followers who do know him
Yeah the Brazilian fans I've asked on Twitter say he's the most reliable football journalist in Brazil. They compared him to John Percy of the telegraph which is good enough for me!
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Quote from: junior white on August 01, 2021, 05:52:09 PM
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Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 11:14:15 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 01, 2021, 10:04:20 AM
Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 09:38:13 AM
Quote from: junior white on August 01, 2021, 08:17:29 AM
Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 12:51:47 AM
This is a better translation that seems to explain the situation a bit better.
https://twitter.com/pedroxavier021/status/1421607092931211269?s=19
Loosely translated
- Flamengo asked for a value, Fulham accepted. - Flamengo saw that it was easy, asked for a taller one, Fulham did not accept and returned the first one. -> Fulham discovered that Flamengo, before negotiating with them, accepted a lower mt proposal and then lowered the price they were paying
So Flamengo now trying to get mor money upfront?
An unknown hopefully one o f our ITK's can update us
No. Looks like we're trying to pay less in line with a lower offer that flamengo accepted from boro.
So this deal is actually probably better for Flamengo in the long run. If he is good and sell him for 40 million. They will get 20 million of it! For what it's worth, I still think the deal happens. It seems both teams are bartering for a better deal
No, the deal is better for us from what I can tell, but that's only if we successfully renegotiate which if we are trying to do isn't guaranteed. I hope we get the deal over the line
Vene thinks Flamengo will accept the new deal
Never heard of this guy, a South American journo. Would prefer a uk journo with any reputation to say something. As said before time to wai for the club to say something on he offal
Thisis where someone will say he is a highly respected and informed journalist in South America, i cant say yes or no as never heard of him but i am sure there are some South American football followers who do know him
Yeah the Brazilian fans I've asked on Twitter say he's the most reliable football journalist in Brazil. They compared him to John Percy of the telegraph which is good enough for me!
While i have respect for you and your sources, i am not taking the word of Brazilian football fans saying someone is a good journo. Thats like asking West Ham fans to recommend a West Ham player they are all world beaters.
It's crazy to think about this in the way some of us are, including me, getting excited bailout a 20 year old Brazilian that 99% off us have never heard of and are taking the word of a journo that 99.5% of us have never heard of as gospel.
I am not a doom and gloom merchant but nowadays the social media goes wild and everyone (i bought into it too) buys into it
While i have respect for you and your sources, i am not taking the word of Brazilian football fans saying someone is a good journo. Thats like asking West Ham fans to recommend a West Ham player they are all world beaters.
It's crazy to think about this in the way some of us are, including me, getting excited bailout a 20 year old Brazilian that 99% off us have never heard of and are taking the word of a journo that 99.5% of us have never heard of as gospel.
I am not a doom and gloom merchant but nowadays the social media goes wild and everyone (i bought into it too) buys into it
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You forget West Ham won the World Cup in 1966
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 01, 2021, 06:23:45 PM
While i have respect for you and your sources, i am not taking the word of Brazilian football fans saying someone is a good journo. Thats like asking West Ham fans to recommend a West Ham player they are all world beaters.
It's crazy to think about this in the way some of us are, including me, getting excited bailout a 20 year old Brazilian that 99% off us have never heard of and are taking the word of a journo that 99.5% of us have never heard of as gospel.
I am not a doom and gloom merchant but nowadays the social media goes wild and everyone (i bought into it too) buys into it
You forget West Ham won the World Cup in 1966
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Lol and that Man Utd got us to the final lol,
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Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 11:14:15 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 01, 2021, 10:04:20 AM
Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 09:38:13 AM
Quote from: junior white on August 01, 2021, 08:17:29 AM
Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 12:51:47 AM
This is a better translation that seems to explain the situation a bit better.
https://twitter.com/pedroxavier021/status/1421607092931211269?s=19
Loosely translated
- Flamengo asked for a value, Fulham accepted. - Flamengo saw that it was easy, asked for a taller one, Fulham did not accept and returned the first one. -> Fulham discovered that Flamengo, before negotiating with them, accepted a lower mt proposal and then lowered the price they were paying
So Flamengo now trying to get mor money upfront?
An unknown hopefully one o f our ITK's can update us
No. Looks like we're trying to pay less in line with a lower offer that flamengo accepted from boro.
So this deal is actually probably better for Flamengo in the long run. If he is good and sell him for 40 million. They will get 20 million of it! For what it's worth, I still think the deal happens. It seems both teams are bartering for a better deal
No, the deal is better for us from what I can tell, but that's only if we successfully renegotiate which if we are trying to do isn't guaranteed. I hope we get the deal over the line
Vene thinks Flamengo will accept the new deal
Never heard of this guy, a South American journo. Would prefer a uk journo with any reputation to say something. As said before time to wai for the club to say something on he offal
Thisis where someone will say he is a highly respected and informed journalist in South America, i cant say yes or no as never heard of him but i am sure there are some South American football followers who do know him
Yeah the Brazilian fans I've asked on Twitter say he's the most reliable football journalist in Brazil. They compared him to John Percy of the telegraph which is good enough for me!
While i have respect for you and your sources, i am not taking the word of Brazilian football fans saying someone is a good journo. Thats like asking West Ham fans to recommend a West Ham player they are all world beaters.
It's crazy to think about this in the way some of us are, including me, getting excited bailout a 20 year old Brazilian that 99% off us have never heard of and are taking the word of a journo that 99.5% of us have never heard of as gospel.
I am not a doom and gloom merchant but nowadays the social media goes wild and everyone (i bought into it too) buys into it
Don't know how old you are as your self professed name is junior white, but it takes an awful lot to become a well known and respected journalist, key amongst those is earning everyone's trust and respect and managing relationships well enough to get key information on sensitive deals before anyone else. That takes a lot to do in football and very few master it. If a Brazilian journo like Vene says things about a deal then it is a safe pair of hands to assume that whenever he writes the articles or tweets that he is saying what it pretty much true as of the moment he tweets.
I know it's putting a lot of trust from our side in a source, but he has a very good reputation and with that a strong list of contacts who have proven willingness to give him sensitive information. He mentioned one of his sources for the information he got as being our own manager marco silva. This isn't the kid down the block who's tweeting anything he can via a random account name to come across as in the know or making up stuff just to get followers, it's a job for this guy where he's put in years, maybe decades into cultivating a reputation and relationships with key people in football clubs, players, managers etc for being true to his word and earning respect for knowing how to toe lines re information.
As for Muniz, perhaps I'm speaking out of turn but I think most people aren't getting genuinely carried away by Muniz. 80-95% of people on the board will be very aware that this kid is untried and a relative gamble at 20 years old, that being said he's one of our key transfer targets and so far it seems likely that he'll come, so it makes sense to find as much information about his and share it.
Firstly- silva has been in the job here for less than a couple of months. From sources it seems as if this was a transfer he wanted done personally and he has spoken of a project and where Muniz fits in.
If that is the case then it may also be a case that Silva has known of Muniz for a while and has developed a understanding of the player over a number of years that has led to him wanting to sign him. He has been unemployed since 2019 so part of that time could well be scouting young talent.
Silva is a Portuguese speaking manager, one of the best in the world given the fact that he's managed in the Premier league, the top Portuguese league etc. (And yes there is obviously levels to his ability and what it means to be one of the best- he's not a scolari, mourinho mould, but given his profile it could be argued he's in the top 100 or 60 managers in the Portuguese speaking world out of everyone who has attempted managing)
He has a track record of developing Brazilian players (e.g. richarlison), this means he may very well over the years spent time getting to know the Brazilian Market and country, whilst understanding the talent pool building his own networks of informers and sources, as well as perhaps having an invested interest in the markets of his mother tongue.
Based on the above, and probably a lot more it seems OK to suggest that it's worth paying attention to this transfer, trusting particular views or sources of the news and having a degree of confidence that actually, whilst nothing is proven, there is a better chance that the source may be accurate and whilst muniz may be an unknown to us and a punt/gamble- that it may be less so for our manager.
Muniz is 20, he's an upstart- but he is producing the goods at one of South Americas biggest clubs (I know we have an egotistical approach that everything British is better, but let's be real for a moment and acknowledge it counts for something- it's given the game some of its very best players). Yes he's third choice but he's getting game time where the two strikers above him are seasoned pros and well respected for their ability.
The hype from Brazil in brasil and from the flamengo fans is that they think if he stayed there for a couple more years he would have what it takes to become brasils number 9.
This is coming from fans of a club that have seen Ronaldinho, dida, adriano, zico and Romario play for the club and who are Brazilian fans first and foremost so I imagine would know what is expected of a player who be a starting striker for the national team.
Now, that's not me saying I think he's nailed on to be fantastic for us or that we're well on our way to signing the next best thing, merely just acknowledging that sometimes a few words from a fan base or a journo have far greater context behind them that you're seemingly able or willing to acknowledge.
The championship is a difficult and physically demanding league. I don't know how you'd compare the quality if the championship to that of top South American football but let's give the guy a chance. There's more here to suggest it may work out than a lot of the younger players we may have brought in over the years.
Well having lived and travelled in Brazil for 3 years and visiting the Maracana whilst watching Flamengo play, the Brazilian journo in question is USUALLY bang on the money regarding Flamengo news and is one of the most reliable sources of Brazilian football news.
There are rumours surfacing that we're having a go for Adam Armstrong. Nothing to substantiate it yet, but I would be all over that if true..
We need Tim Vickery .... He is a reliable journo
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 01, 2021, 08:36:23 PM
There are rumours surfacing that we're having a go for Adam Armstrong. Nothing to substantiate it yet, but I would be all over that if true..
That's the title, right there if so.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 01, 2021, 08:36:23 PM
There are rumours surfacing that we're having a go for Adam Armstrong. Nothing to substantiate it yet, but I would be all over that if true..
We simply cannot afford him, this sounds like agent talk trying to get Southampton to make another bid. They are asking for 25 million too. Ive spoken to my source this afternoon and there's not a single bid on the table for any of our players, and realistically to afford Armstrong Zambo would need to go. Which currently is looking unlikely. I'd love Armstrong but it won't happen
Quote from: HV71 on August 01, 2021, 08:43:44 PM
We need Tim Vickery .... He is a reliable journo
He is the only one i have heard of that deals with south america
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Quote from: General on August 01, 2021, 12:51:47 AM
This is a better translation that seems to explain the situation a bit better.
https://twitter.com/pedroxavier021/status/1421607092931211269?s=19
Loosely translated
- Flamengo asked for a value, Fulham accepted. - Flamengo saw that it was easy, asked for a taller one, Fulham did not accept and returned the first one. -> Fulham discovered that Flamengo, before negotiating with them, accepted a lower mt proposal and then lowered the price they were paying
So Flamengo now trying to get mor money upfront?
An unknown hopefully one o f our ITK's can update us
No. Looks like we're trying to pay less in line with a lower offer that flamengo accepted from boro.
So this deal is actually probably better for Flamengo in the long run. If he is good and sell him for 40 million. They will get 20 million of it! For what it's worth, I still think the deal happens. It seems both teams are bartering for a better deal
No, the deal is better for us from what I can tell, but that's only if we successfully renegotiate which if we are trying to do isn't guaranteed. I hope we get the deal over the line
Vene thinks Flamengo will accept the new deal
Never heard of this guy, a South American journo. Would prefer a uk journo with any reputation to say something. As said before time to wai for the club to say something on he offal
Thisis where someone will say he is a highly respected and informed journalist in South America, i cant say yes or no as never heard of him but i am sure there are some South American football followers who do know him
Yeah the Brazilian fans I've asked on Twitter say he's the most reliable football journalist in Brazil. They compared him to John Percy of the telegraph which is good enough for me!
While i have respect for you and your sources, i am not taking the word of Brazilian football fans saying someone is a good journo. Thats like asking West Ham fans to recommend a West Ham player they are all world beaters.
It's crazy to think about this in the way some of us are, including me, getting excited bailout a 20 year old Brazilian that 99% off us have never heard of and are taking the word of a journo that 99.5% of us have never heard of as gospel.
I am not a doom and gloom merchant but nowadays the social media goes wild and everyone (i bought into it too) buys into it
Don't know how old you are as your self professed name is junior white, but it takes an awful lot to become a well known and respected journalist, key amongst those is earning everyone's trust and respect and managing relationships well enough to get key information on sensitive deals before anyone else. That takes a lot to do in football and very few master it. If a Brazilian journo like Vene says things about a deal then it is a safe pair of hands to assume that whenever he writes the articles or tweets that he is saying what it pretty much true as of the moment he tweets.
I know it's putting a lot of trust from our side in a source, but he has a very good reputation and with that a strong list of contacts who have proven willingness to give him sensitive information. He mentioned one of his sources for the information he got as being our own manager marco silva. This isn't the kid down the block who's tweeting anything he can via a random account name to come across as in the know or making up stuff just to get followers, it's a job for this guy where he's put in years, maybe decades into cultivating a reputation and relationships with key people in football clubs, players, managers etc for being true to his word and earning respect for knowing how to toe lines re information.
As for Muniz, perhaps I'm speaking out of turn but I think most people aren't getting genuinely carried away by Muniz. 80-95% of people on the board will be very aware that this kid is untried and a relative gamble at 20 years old, that being said he's one of our key transfer targets and so far it seems likely that he'll come, so it makes sense to find as much information about his and share it.
Firstly- silva has been in the job here for less than a couple of months. From sources it seems as if this was a transfer he wanted done personally and he has spoken of a project and where Muniz fits in.
If that is the case then it may also be a case that Silva has known of Muniz for a while and has developed a understanding of the player over a number of years that has led to him wanting to sign him. He has been unemployed since 2019 so part of that time could well be scouting young talent.
Silva is a Portuguese speaking manager, one of the best in the world given the fact that he's managed in the Premier league, the top Portuguese league etc. (And yes there is obviously levels to his ability and what it means to be one of the best- he's not a scolari, mourinho mould, but given his profile it could be argued he's in the top 100 or 60 managers in the Portuguese speaking world out of everyone who has attempted managing)
He has a track record of developing Brazilian players (e.g. richarlison), this means he may very well over the years spent time getting to know the Brazilian Market and country, whilst understanding the talent pool building his own networks of informers and sources, as well as perhaps having an invested interest in the markets of his mother tongue.
Based on the above, and probably a lot more it seems OK to suggest that it's worth paying attention to this transfer, trusting particular views or sources of the news and having a degree of confidence that actually, whilst nothing is proven, there is a better chance that the source may be accurate and whilst muniz may be an unknown to us and a punt/gamble- that it may be less so for our manager.
Muniz is 20, he's an upstart- but he is producing the goods at one of South Americas biggest clubs (I know we have an egotistical approach that everything British is better, but let's be real for a moment and acknowledge it counts for something- it's given the game some of its very best players). Yes he's third choice but he's getting game time where the two strikers above him are seasoned pros and well respected for their ability.
The hype from Brazil in brasil and from the flamengo fans is that they think if he stayed there for a couple more years he would have what it takes to become brasils number 9.
This is coming from fans of a club that have seen Ronaldinho, dida, adriano, zico and Romario play for the club and who are Brazilian fans first and foremost so I imagine would know what is expected of a player who be a starting striker for the national team.
Now, that's not me saying I think he's nailed on to be fantastic for us or that we're well on our way to signing the next best thing, merely just acknowledging that sometimes a few words from a fan base or a journo have far greater context behind them that you're seemingly able or willing to acknowledge.
The championship is a difficult and physically demanding league. I don't know how you'd compare the quality if the championship to that of top South American football but let's give the guy a chance. There's more here to suggest it may work out than a lot of the younger players we may have brought in over the years.
Not sure my age has anything to do with it but I am int0 my 20's, I appreciate what I takes to become a well known journo, but having never live din South America how can I to anyone that hasn't know if he is or isnt. I dont follow South American football and at a guess 99% on this board wouldnt either.
No singing is ever sue to be a success lots could go wrong, injury, loss of form, nerves, just a one season wonder or a one tournament wonder, so while i got sucked in I am now sceptical.
Does he have Covid? Is it a tactic to say he has it and then he doesnt so they can try to re negotiate the fee, is it us trying to be tight, is there an agent involved or third party ownership, this is why i am now sceptical and not willing to go down the route of believing everything someone I JW be never heard of says.
I am not having a go just saying its difficult to do so, which is why i wait for the Offal announcement.
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on August 01, 2021, 07:22:22 PM
Well having lived and travelled in Brazil for 3 years and visiting the Maracana whilst watching Flamengo play, the Brazilian journo in question is USUALLY bang on the money regarding Flamengo news and is one of the most reliable sources of Brazilian football news.
That may well be the case, i am basing my vie own I have never heard of him but then as I have said a few times i dont follow south American football.
I lived in The Netherlands, Belgium and France for a number of years between the age of 16 and 23 whilst my father worked for some football clubs, there are journalists that are reliable there but that doesnt mean anyone on her would think that as they would probably never have heard of them, it isnt personal just a matter of fact on my side about South America
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 01, 2021, 08:36:23 PM
There are rumours surfacing that we're having a go for Adam Armstrong. Nothing to substantiate it yet, but I would be all over that if true..
Yeah me too. Great at Champ level. Was we not linked with him a while back as well though?
Do we believe that both Grimes and Muniz deals are held up because of Covid or is it perhaps likely that TK wants to delay things to ensure he is not missing an alternative bargain or two on window closing day.
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Quote from: filham on August 01, 2021, 09:41:54 PM
Do we believe that both Grimes and Muniz deals are held up because of Covid or is it perhaps likely that TK wants to delay things to ensure he is not missing an alternative bargain or two on window closing day.
I'm not sure their respective clubs would Go for that. Muniz was asymptomatic and he only tested positive cos of the covid test in his medical coming back positive. I don't know much about Grimes but I know there were 3 or 4 Swansea players that tested positive
Quote from: filham on August 01, 2021, 09:41:54 PM
Do we believe that both Grimes and Muniz deals are held up because of Covid or is it perhaps likely that TK wants to delay things to ensure he is not missing an alternative bargain or two on window closing day.
No. I don't believe that is the case. :54:
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Do we believe that both Grimes and Muniz deals are held up because of Covid or is it perhaps likely that TK wants to delay things to ensure he is not missing an alternative bargain or two on window closing day.
I'm not sure their respective clubs would Go for that. Muniz was asymptomatic and he only tested positive cos of the covid test in his medical coming back positive. I don't know much about Grimes but I know there were 3 or 4 Swansea players that tested positive
Yeah, for what its worth and it may mean nothing whatsoever but muniz's Instagram had a story of him watching flamengo on TV celebrating one of his friends goals. I inagine that shows he does have covid and is isolating.
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Do we believe that both Grimes and Muniz deals are held up because of Covid or is it perhaps likely that TK wants to delay things to ensure he is not missing an alternative bargain or two on window closing day.
I'm not sure their respective clubs would Go for that. Muniz was asymptomatic and he only tested positive cos of the covid test in his medical coming back positive. I don't know much about Grimes but I know there were 3 or 4 Swansea players that tested positive
Yeah, for what its worth and it may mean nothing whatsoever but muniz's Instagram had a story of him watching flamengo on TV celebrating one of his friends goals. I inagine that shows he does have covid and is isolating.
Muniz was an unused sub when Flamengo played ABC in a Copa do Brasil match just two days ago (Friday 30th July).
Muniz is certainly needed for me when Mitro isn't performing we need another option.
Grimes will be a good addition although will probably limit the chances for Francois
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Do we believe that both Grimes and Muniz deals are held up because of Covid or is it perhaps likely that TK wants to delay things to ensure he is not missing an alternative bargain or two on window closing day.
I'm not sure their respective clubs would Go for that. Muniz was asymptomatic and he only tested positive cos of the covid test in his medical coming back positive. I don't know much about Grimes but I know there were 3 or 4 Swansea players that tested positive
Yeah, for what its worth and it may mean nothing whatsoever but muniz's Instagram had a story of him watching flamengo on TV celebrating one of his friends goals. I inagine that shows he does have covid and is isolating.
Muniz was an unused sub when Flamengo played ABC in a Copa do Brasil match just two days ago (Friday 30th July).
Yeah he tested positive the following day in the first part of his FFC medical in Brazil
Quote from: JackHamlet90 on August 02, 2021, 06:34:08 AM
Muniz is certainly needed for me when Mitro isn't performing we need another option.
Grimes will be a good addition although will probably limit the chances for Francois
Mitro didn't perform against 1st division opposition on Sunday, we need that new striker option now.
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Quote from: JackHamlet90 on August 02, 2021, 06:34:08 AM
Muniz is certainly needed for me when Mitro isn't performing we need another option.
Grimes will be a good addition although will probably limit the chances for Francois
Mitro didn't perform against 1st division opposition on Sunday, we need that new striker option now.
To be honest, Mitro never shows up for Pre-Season. I'll give him a few more weeks
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Quote from: JackHamlet90 on August 02, 2021, 06:34:08 AM
Muniz is certainly needed for me when Mitro isn't performing we need another option.
Grimes will be a good addition although will probably limit the chances for Francois
Mitro didn't perform against 1st division opposition on Sunday, we need that new striker option now.
A) It's pre-season so not the end of the world
B) If we could pass to him in the first half he probably would've had a few goals and you're not even writing this post
C) He's had a shorter pre-season than everyone else so still getting up to speed
Maybe all the friendlies should be played behind closed doors seeing as some take them to be the be all end all for judging players. Guess it makes a change from accusing Tony Khan of making players we haven't signed fake having covid for nefarious purposes.
Arthur I understand your post but have you considered what you and I do not know
and that is the instructions given to him by our new manager. Maybe along the lines of
this is a friendly and I need you fit for next weekend so use the game as a keep fit outing
and nothing more?
There is a chap, clearly a supporter, who currently runs two horses, Mitrosonfire (pretty good in its class) and Hammy End (only one win in 28 races and not much cop). Here's hoping M lives up to the first one's name this season.
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Arthur I understand your post but have you considered what you and I do not know
and that is the instructions given to him by our new manager. Maybe along the lines of
this is a friendly and I need you fit for next weekend so use the game as a keep fit outing
and nothing more?
Do you believe that was what Mitrovic was told? Are you telling me you're confident he'll turn in a performance against Boro worthy of the accolade 'best striker in the Championship'?
But you can flip this quite basic argument back on yourself and say that how do you know he wont? Everyone was slagging Harry Kane off at the Euro's saying he's crap, drop him etc. etc. and then one goal and he shut them all up because he got straight back into the groove. We've not seen Mitro play in a forward thinking team for a while, by Sunday he'll have had an extra week of training to increase his fitness further and could come out all guns blazing
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But you can flip this quite basic argument back on yourself and say that how do you know he wont? Everyone was slagging Harry Kane off at the Euro's saying he's crap, drop him etc. etc. and then one goal and he shut them all up because he got straight back into the groove. We've not seen Mitro play in a forward thinking team for a while, by Sunday he'll have had an extra week of training to increase his fitness further and could come out all guns blazing
I agree; I don't know he won't play a blinder.
You may not have looked back, however, to see that my reference to not having confidence in Mitrovic producing such a star performance was in response to a post which chided those supporters who are concerned that what we saw from him on Saturday was no different to what we were seeing last season.
I simply commented I didn't think it unreasonable to worry that a similar performance might be in the offing against Boro - and that, in my opinion, this is more likely than that he'll play with 'all guns blazing'. (But not a certainty, as you correctly say.)
Ah fair enough, apologies if I got the wrong end of the stick - I'm just fed up with a certain group of posters who seem to want to slag him off based on pre-season and make it seem as if we've gone from having a PL standard striker to a league one level donkey all of a sudden without offering any shred of tangible criticism
Again thought this was a transfer feed...give me strength. Its like listening to a group of kids. Let's keep this to transfer news only.
Sort of irrelevant isn't it? Wilson also did nothing on Saturday, Reid didn't even play, and i doubt anyone wants Knockaert or Cavaleiro up front. So Mitro starts against Boro.
Quote from: Tooting legend on August 02, 2021, 02:34:03 PM
Again thought this was a transfer feed...give me strength. Its like listening to a group of kids. Let's keep this to transfer news only.
Agree
Mitro has nt done much for along time and hasnt loked great,but that can all change quickly if he can find the back of the net !
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Quote from: Tooting legend on August 02, 2021, 02:34:03 PM
Again thought this was a transfer feed...give me strength. Its like listening to a group of kids. Let's keep this to transfer news only.
Agree
And when there is real transfer news, someone sets up a new thread specifically for it
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Quote from: Tooting legend on August 02, 2021, 02:34:03 PM
Again thought this was a transfer feed...give me strength. Its like listening to a group of kids. Let's keep this to transfer news only.
Agree
And when there is real transfer news, someone sets up a new thread specifically for it
Clever!
I always thought the Silly Season Thread was just that. Not real news but folk floating their own thoughts & hearsay. Gives folk a chance to enter into lengthy diatribes that actually mean nothing at all. It can be amusing sometimes.
No its a transfer thread. It just gets so boring. Just keep to transfers its simple.
Fulham look set to sign Brazilian striker Rodrigo Muniz from Flamengo for around £6.5million. You heard it here first!!
Quote from: Nick Bateman on August 02, 2021, 04:17:19 PM
Fulham look set to sign Brazilian striker Rodrigo Muniz from Flamengo for around £6.5million. You heard it here first!!
HAHAHAHA
Quote from: Tooting legend on August 02, 2021, 02:34:03 PM
Again thought this was a transfer feed...give me strength. Its like listening to a group of kids. Let's keep this to transfer news only.
I apologise.
I read a post, replied to it without thinking about the title of the thread, and a couple of further posts also escaped my attention similarly. It wasn't done intentionally and, now I realise this, I shall delete these posts.
I don't think it was necessary to call me childish, however. We all slip up from time to time. Some among us used to start a new thread even when there was a perfectly relevant one on the same topic already up and running.
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Fulham look set to sign Brazilian striker Rodrigo Muniz from Flamengo for around £6.5million. You heard it here first!!
LOL
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Fulham look set to sign Brazilian striker Rodrigo Muniz from Flamengo for around £6.5million. You heard it here first!!
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Fulham and Bournemouth in for Siriki Dembele for £4 million
This according to The Sun.
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Fulham and Bournemouth in for Siriki Dembele for £4 million
This according to The Sun.
Parker wants to play him right wing back
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Fulham and Bournemouth in for Siriki Dembele for £4 million
This according to The Sun.
Parker wants to play him right wing back
Gotta beat Parker to him if true.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on August 02, 2021, 04:17:19 PM
Fulham look set to sign Brazilian striker Rodrigo Muniz from Flamengo for around £6.5million. You heard it here first!!
You got 'contacts' Nick?
Quote from: Statto on August 02, 2021, 02:34:46 PM
Sort of irrelevant isn't it? Wilson also did nothing on Saturday, Reid didn't even play, and i doubt anyone wants Knockaert or Cavaleiro up front. So Mitro starts against Boro.
Yes ,of course Mitro has to start against Boro , there really is no one else and that is why it was reasonable to look for glimpses of the old Mitro on Saturday. OK it was only a friendly but the final match before the start of the season when you expect to see the team prepared and in a ready to go state.
One is in the know but one doesn't wish to blow one's own trumpet. Also heard Fulham are after a player called TED HEATH, after all, we already have Harold Wilson.
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One is in the know but one doesn't wish to blow one's own trumpet. Also heard Fulham are after a player called TED HEATH, after all, we already have Harold Wilson.
Who is this one you mentioned three times.
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Quote from: Nick Bateman on August 02, 2021, 06:22:11 PM
One is in the know but one doesn't wish to blow one's own trumpet. Also heard Fulham are after a player called TED HEATH, after all, we already have Harold Wilson.
Who is this one you mentioned three times.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Heath
Quote from: Nick Bateman on August 02, 2021, 06:22:11 PM
One is in the know but one doesn't wish to blow one's own trumpet. Also heard Fulham are after a player called TED HEATH, after all, we already have Harold Wilson.
Doesn't he skipper the khan's yacht?
The great band leader Ted Heath was a devoted Fulham fan. In the 50s and 60s when the Directors box was in the JH stand Ted' had the first seat outside the box .
All seems to have gone completely dead on the transfer front although Silva said he wanted a midfielder in before the first game.
Quote from: sarnian on August 03, 2021, 06:50:00 PM
All seems to have gone completely dead on the transfer front although Silva said he wanted a midfielder in before the first game.
I hope Shads getting involved
Boro back in for Muniz, his agent is having a field day
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Boro back in for Muniz, his agent is having a field day
Yeah I was expecting that to happen seeing as we seem unable to close the deal.
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Boro back in for Muniz, his agent is having a field day
Yeah I was expecting that to happen seeing as we seem unable to close the deal.
We're trying to bring the price down. Therefore we will probably end up signing an injured striker on deadline day
You don't know that for a fact!?
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Boro back in for Muniz, his agent is having a field day
Yeah I was expecting that to happen seeing as we seem unable to close the deal.
We're trying to bring the price down. Therefore we will probably end up signing an injured striker on deadline day
This is probably an accurate assumption.
Hard decisions for the player, live in London or Middlesbrough 064.gif the player will have some say on this deal!!!
That is what negotiation is all about. Some you win some you lose.there is a big pool of players around and there is no need to pay more than a player is worth
Are we in for Dembele as well? Weighing our options maybe?
Quote from: Texas White on August 03, 2021, 10:59:41 PM
Are we in for Dembele as well? Weighing our options maybe?
The more players who can regularly hit the onion bag, the better.
Forget players, would it not be better just to sign Peterboroug's chief scout?
Muniz latest, after agreeing all the money, the terms and the conditions we then fail to send the paperwork thus delaying the deal.
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Muniz latest, after agreeing all the money, the terms and the conditions we then fail to send the paperwork thus delaying the deal.
He's in covid isolation for another week, which is why we haven't sent the paperwork. There is lots of time of this because he won't in a position to sigh until end of next week at the earliest
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Muniz latest, after agreeing all the money, the terms and the conditions we then fail to send the paperwork thus delaying the deal.
He's in covid isolation for another week, which is why we haven't sent the paperwork. There is lots of time of this because he won't in a position to sigh until end of next week at the earliest
So while we don't send the paperwork another club could and close a deal with the club? Yes the player may not want to go there but it could make the price higher or at the very least payment terms better for the selling club that us. Better to get the paperwork over and say this is subject to full recovery from COVID and passing of a medical. Then they are locked in and cant change anything.
I agree with JW send the paperwork if the hard negotiations have been completed.
WSW I would respectfully suggest that sending the paperwork
does secure the deal and prevents us being gazumped at the last
minuit.
According to Adam Leventhal from The Athletic Marco Silva remains an admirer of Will Hughes and Nathaniel Chalobah and we may consider a move for either as the transfer window develops.
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The Greek media are reporting this morning that Fulham have an agreement with Aris for Kamara and the Greek club will now start negotiations with the player's agent.
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The Greek media are reporting this morning that Fulham have an agreement with Aris for Kamara and the Greek club will now start negotiations with the player's agent.
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Super news - best outcome for all parties
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Muniz latest, after agreeing all the money, the terms and the conditions we then fail to send the paperwork thus delaying the deal.
He's in covid isolation for another week, which is why we haven't sent the paperwork. There is lots of time of this because he won't in a position to sigh until end of next week at the earliest
So while we don't send the paperwork another club could and close a deal with the club? Yes the player may not want to go there but it could make the price higher or at the very least payment terms better for the selling club that us. Better to get the paperwork over and say this is subject to full recovery from COVID and passing of a medical. Then they are locked in and cant change anything.
Even if we send the paperwork, there is nothing stopping another club coming in fo let him anyway. Until he's signed a contract anything can happen. If a club offer more money, they can withdraw with us at any point, no contracts will be signed until he has done his medical and we've paid the money
Seems like we've been here before with Fulham.
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Muniz latest, after agreeing all the money, the terms and the conditions we then fail to send the paperwork thus delaying the deal.
He's in covid isolation for another week, which is why we haven't sent the paperwork. There is lots of time of this because he won't in a position to sigh until end of next week at the earliest
So while we don't send the paperwork another club could and close a deal with the club? Yes the player may not want to go there but it could make the price higher or at the very least payment terms better for the selling club that us. Better to get the paperwork over and say this is subject to full recovery from COVID and passing of a medical. Then they are locked in and cant change anything.
Even if we send the paperwork, there is nothing stopping another club coming in fo let him anyway. Until he's signed a contract anything can happen. If a club offer more money, they can withdraw with us at any point, no contracts will be signed until he has done his medical and we've paid the money
Thats why i say send them and sign them with the caveat of passing a medical. This is exactly what clubs do, Man Utd are signing Varane hasnt had his medical due to no visa as yet but the deal is done and signed subject to a medical. Before people say it isnt both clubs in the Varane case have announced the deal based on that premise, i.e. he passes the medical. It is how clubs work even national league clubs.
If we are not protecting ourselves on deals by doing this, it explains why we get shafted so often and miss out on players.
They sign the deal the player comes to us if all ok then if not they can sell elsewhere, stops either club changing the deal as well
Still dreaming of Adam Armstrong signing
I can't seem Armstrong happening unless we accept a massive offer for Mitro...
It would make more sense for us to get someone cheaper, who shows promise.
Jasper going on loan to Colchester and Fossey isn't going to Rotherham after a trial according to Pete Rutzler
https://twitter.com/mcgrathmike/status/1422860526690918406?s=21
That's gone up a bit(£8m)Not sure. that's accurate but what do I know.
Won't be to upset unless he's a massive success on Teesside.
Transfer tracker: Fulham reject loan bid from Valencia for Frank Anguissa
August 4
11.55am
Valencia have had a loan bid rejected for Fulham midfielder Andre-Frank Anguissa, reports Peter Rutzler.
The Cameroon international, 25, is one of Fulham's most valuable assets after a strong season in the Premier League last year, despite relegation.
Anguissa signed for Fulham from Marseille for a reported fee of £30 million in 2018, but he spent the 2019-20 season on loan in La Liga with Villarreal.
It's understood Valencia have now tried to bring him back to Spain this summer, although their offer, which is believed to have been without a loan fee, has been rejected.
Elsewhere, Fulham's Sylvester Jasper is understood to be close to joining Colchester United on loan after a trial period at Sheffield Wednesday. Defender Marlon Fossey, meanwhile, has returned after a trial at Rotherham.
Worrying that bids will seemingly now start for Anguissa.
Be brilliant if we can hold onto him but if we can't, we need to sell.
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Worrying that bids will seemingly now start for Anguissa.
Be brilliant if we can hold onto him but if we can't, we need to sell.
Good we rejected a loan, I don't want to lose him unless it's a good fee.
Apologies for my appalling grammar (!!) spell check American style - should of course read too.
Quote from: PaulJ123 on August 04, 2021, 12:19:27 PM
Worrying that bids will seemingly now start for Anguissa.
Be brilliant if we can hold onto him but if we can't, we need to sell.
In an ideal world we keep him, but if he wants to go then we may as well sell him. He's worth £20m+ so that gives us FFP wiggle room and allows us to finish off assembling a promotion ready team. Of course it means we'll need another PL ready CM next year but half the people on this board seem to think he's not PL standard anyway
The fact Valencia want to loan him without a fee is laughable, but then they're skint anyway so not surprised we told them where to stick that offer
Quote from: PaulJ123 on August 04, 2021, 12:19:27 PM
Worrying that bids will seemingly now start for Anguissa.
Be brilliant if we can hold onto him but if we can't, we need to sell.
Completely on the other side of the fence on this. Bloke looks like he's doing us a favour playing in the premier League, can hardly see him breaking into a sweat in the championship
Hope the bids come in thick & fast & we can get him off the books
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Quote from: PaulJ123 on August 04, 2021, 12:19:27 PM
Worrying that bids will seemingly now start for Anguissa.
Be brilliant if we can hold onto him but if we can't, we need to sell.
Good we rejected a loan, I don't want to lose him unless it's a good fee.
Cheeky so and so's - didn't even offer a loan fee apparently!
I'm going to be controversal here and say that Frank is even more of a luxury player at Championship level than Premier League level. If I believed that he was suddenly going to start creating assists and scoring goals, then he would be worth keeping. But I can't see how he will suddenly start doing it after never managing to any stage of his career so far. In this team, we really do need more goal threat from midfield. Without a fit Cairney, this is not going to be provided by Anguissa or Reed - Francois maybe/maybe not. The only central midfielder we have who scores goals is Onomah and his inability to make an impression in many games means he is an unlikely starter.
If we get offered anything around or above £20m for Frank, then I think we should sell him.
They didn't even offer a loan fee for Anguissa? A player worth to us in excess of £20million. Do they think we're a charity? I'd be disappointed if he goes but if a serious offer comes in, one which meets the clubs evaluation then we can use those funds for other deals.
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Quote from: PaulJ123 on August 04, 2021, 12:19:27 PM
Worrying that bids will seemingly now start for Anguissa.
Be brilliant if we can hold onto him but if we can't, we need to sell.
Agree 100% that he thinks he is better than he really is. Often loses possession in dangerous areas. Yes he can make some brilliant runs but that doesn't happen often enough to outweigh his casualness which can be costly.
Completely on the other side of the fence on this. Bloke looks like he's doing us a favour playing in the premier League, can hardly see him breaking into a sweat in the championship
Hope the bids come in thick & fast & we can get him off the books
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Quote from: PaulJ123 on August 04, 2021, 12:19:27 PM
Worrying that bids will seemingly now start for Anguissa.
Be brilliant if we can hold onto him but if we can't, we need to sell.
Completely on the other side of the fence on this. Bloke looks like he's doing us a favour playing in the premier League, can hardly see him breaking into a sweat in the championship
Hope the bids come in thick & fast & we can get him off the books
This exactly.
Kamara close to joining Aris
https://twitter.com/allaboutaris/status/1422864473677864960
Quote from: Friendsoffulham on August 04, 2021, 01:05:07 PM
Kamara close to joining Aris
https://twitter.com/allaboutaris/status/1422864473677864960
Hopefully we get a nice fee.
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Quote from: HillingdonFFC on August 04, 2021, 12:32:30 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on August 04, 2021, 12:19:27 PM
Worrying that bids will seemingly now start for Anguissa.
Be brilliant if we can hold onto him but if we can't, we need to sell.
Completely on the other side of the fence on this. Bloke looks like he's doing us a favour playing in the premier League, can hardly see him breaking into a sweat in the championship
Hope the bids come in thick & fast & we can get him off the books
This exactly.
I agree he flatters to deceive but think he just needs back to back seasons at the same club! The championship could be perfect for him to get some confidence with goals and assists.
Flamengo vice president has come out and said he expects Rodrigo Muniz to go to fulham although negotiations are ongoing for a total fee of 7million. Its expected the deal could be completed by the end of this week and before the boro game.
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/08/04/fulham-rodrigo-muniz/
Muniz went into quarantine when? Last Wednesday? 10 days of quarantine would be friday(ish) when he could have medical and sign contract?
Anyone who thinks Anguissa will be here this season, Ill have some of whatever youre smoking. He might feature in our first few matches, but he will go out on Loan come deadline day. We will get a fee of some sort id assume.
Quote from: Lordedmundo on August 04, 2021, 12:38:46 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 04, 2021, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on August 04, 2021, 12:19:27 PM
Worrying that bids will seemingly now start for Anguissa.
Be brilliant if we can hold onto him but if we can't, we need to sell.
Good we rejected a loan, I don't want to lose him unless it's a good fee.
Cheeky so and so's - didn't even offer a loan fee apparently!
I'm going to be controversal here and say that Frank is even more of a luxury player at Championship level than Premier League level. If I believed that he was suddenly going to start creating assists and scoring goals, then he would be worth keeping. But I can't see how he will suddenly start doing it after never managing to any stage of his career so far. In this team, we really do need more goal threat from midfield. Without a fit Cairney, this is not going to be provided by Anguissa or Reed - Francois maybe/maybe not. The only central midfielder we have who scores goals is Onomah and his inability to make an impression in many games means he is an unlikely starter.
If we get offered anything around or above £20m for Frank, then I think we should sell him.
Agreed, and I really don't think he will be a big loss to us. I would love us to get as much as £20m for a midfield player with no goals and just 3 assists in 2 seasons playing for us.
Kamara out.
We have good wingers for this division- Cavaleiro, Wilson, Knockaert, Kebano, Bobby Reid. Carvalho also play there...
Strikers we will have Moniz and Mitrovic- That´s ok too...
We need to loan out or sell one or two Right Backs- Sessegnon loan and sell odoi maybe. We have 4 options there..
6 CB- we need to sell one at least. Hector or Le Marchand. I Think Ream will stay, Kongolo and Tosic will also stay
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midfielders- If someone leave, we need options, specially if we sell Anguissa. François will be a very good surprise.
Quote from: Jules on August 04, 2021, 02:02:07 PM
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Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 04, 2021, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on August 04, 2021, 12:19:27 PM
Worrying that bids will seemingly now start for Anguissa.
Be brilliant if we can hold onto him but if we can't, we need to sell.
Good we rejected a loan, I don't want to lose him unless it's a good fee.
Cheeky so and so's - didn't even offer a loan fee apparently!
I'm going to be controversal here and say that Frank is even more of a luxury player at Championship level than Premier League level. If I believed that he was suddenly going to start creating assists and scoring goals, then he would be worth keeping. But I can't see how he will suddenly start doing it after never managing to any stage of his career so far. In this team, we really do need more goal threat from midfield. Without a fit Cairney, this is not going to be provided by Anguissa or Reed - Francois maybe/maybe not. The only central midfielder we have who scores goals is Onomah and his inability to make an impression in many games means he is an unlikely starter.
If we get offered anything around or above £20m for Frank, then I think we should sell him.
Agreed, and I really don't think he will be a big loss to us. I would love us to get as much as £20m for a midfield player with no goals and just 3 assists in 2 seasons playing for us.
And that's the nub of it isn't it? He's played in different leagues, in different countries, under different managers and in different systems but he has never ever scored goals or delivered assists remotely frequently enough. People see potential in him but he's 25 going on 26 now and we are yet to see that potential blossom into an end result. I'd love to see him come good but until and unless he does, he's a luxury.
What's left on Anguissa contract,I thought a year?Maybe we have a year option though.
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What's left on Anguissa contract,I thought a year?Maybe we have a year option though.
Two years and another optional year.
Simon Jones for the Mail Online reports that we are stepping up negotiations for Rodrigo Muniz. Apparently he is set to agree a five-year deal and would move for £7.8 million. The same report suggests that we are hoping to finalise the signing of Swansea City captain Matt Grimes once he is given the all-clear from Covid.
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This whole Muniz situation is doing my head in. Something has just popped up on twitter saying Boro have upped their bid and are firmly back in the race 🙄
Quote from: JEEVES on August 04, 2021, 03:15:25 PM
This whole Muniz situation is doing my head in. Something has just popped up on twitter saying Boro have upped their bid and are firmly back in the race 🙄
Someone should just tweet Muniz a photo of Middlesborough.
Re Muniz, all we needed to do was send the paperwork over with. Proviso of subject to a fully healthy medical and get it signed like most other clubs do.
As for is he any good does anyone know? I'm not disparaging just wondering
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Quote from: mrmicawbers on August 04, 2021, 02:30:55 PM
What's left on Anguissa contract,I thought a year?Maybe we have a year option though.
Two years and another optional year.
Cheers,better position than I thought.
Quote from: MaxFFC on August 04, 2021, 03:13:01 PM
Simon Jones for the Mail Online reports that we are stepping up negotiations for Rodrigo Muniz. Apparently he is set to agree a five-year deal and would move for £7.8 million. The same report suggests that we are hoping to finalise the signing of Swansea City captain Matt Grimes once he is given the all-clear from Covid.
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I am really hoping we get Grimes, really top class player who will make a positive difference to our midfield. If the transfer figure is the quoted £1m or 2m then it's a snip. I'm not fussed about Muniz. Seems too much to spend on what would be a gamble that he turns out well for us. Would rather we got a back up striker to Mitro on a loan with an option.
Quote from: junior white on August 04, 2021, 03:23:16 PM
Re Muniz, all we needed to do was send the paperwork over with. Proviso of subject to a fully healthy medical and get it signed like most other clubs do.
As for is he any good does anyone know? I'm not disparaging just wondering
Should we send the paperwork over before or after we've found out if he's any good or not?
Quote from: cmg on August 04, 2021, 03:53:26 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 04, 2021, 03:23:16 PM
Re Muniz, all we needed to do was send the paperwork over with. Proviso of subject to a fully healthy medical and get it signed like most other clubs do.
As for is he any good does anyone know? I'm not disparaging just wondering
Should we send the paperwork over before or after we've found out if he's any good or not?
Haha, before or after he signs for Middlesbrough?
Quote from: Twig on August 04, 2021, 02:26:29 PM
Quote from: Jules on August 04, 2021, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: Lordedmundo on August 04, 2021, 12:38:46 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 04, 2021, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on August 04, 2021, 12:19:27 PM
Worrying that bids will seemingly now start for Anguissa.
Be brilliant if we can hold onto him but if we can't, we need to sell.
Good we rejected a loan, I don't want to lose him unless it's a good fee.
Cheeky so and so's - didn't even offer a loan fee apparently!
I'm going to be controversal here and say that Frank is even more of a luxury player at Championship level than Premier League level. If I believed that he was suddenly going to start creating assists and scoring goals, then he would be worth keeping. But I can't see how he will suddenly start doing it after never managing to any stage of his career so far. In this team, we really do need more goal threat from midfield. Without a fit Cairney, this is not going to be provided by Anguissa or Reed - Francois maybe/maybe not. The only central midfielder we have who scores goals is Onomah and his inability to make an impression in many games means he is an unlikely starter.
If we get offered anything around or above £20m for Frank, then I think we should sell him.
Agreed, and I really don't think he will be a big loss to us. I would love us to get as much as £20m for a midfield player with no goals and just 3 assists in 2 seasons playing for us.
And that's the nub of it isn't it? He's played in different leagues, in different countries, under different managers and in different systems but he has never ever scored goals or delivered assists remotely frequently enough. People see potential in him but he's 25 going on 26 now and we are yet to see that potential blossom into an end result. I'd love to see him come good but until and unless he does, he's a luxury.
He's not a luxury because of his defensive statistics and his dribbling ability, he's more like Mousa Dembele, he also had poor goal scoring and assist stats, would you say he was a luxury?
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 04, 2021, 04:14:37 PM
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Quote from: Lordedmundo on August 04, 2021, 12:38:46 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 04, 2021, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on August 04, 2021, 12:19:27 PM
Worrying that bids will seemingly now start for Anguissa.
Be brilliant if we can hold onto him but if we can't, we need to sell.
Good we rejected a loan, I don't want to lose him unless it's a good fee.
Cheeky so and so's - didn't even offer a loan fee apparently!
I'm going to be controversal here and say that Frank is even more of a luxury player at Championship level than Premier League level. If I believed that he was suddenly going to start creating assists and scoring goals, then he would be worth keeping. But I can't see how he will suddenly start doing it after never managing to any stage of his career so far. In this team, we really do need more goal threat from midfield. Without a fit Cairney, this is not going to be provided by Anguissa or Reed - Francois maybe/maybe not. The only central midfielder we have who scores goals is Onomah and his inability to make an impression in many games means he is an unlikely starter.
If we get offered anything around or above £20m for Frank, then I think we should sell him.
Agreed, and I really don't think he will be a big loss to us. I would love us to get as much as £20m for a midfield player with no goals and just 3 assists in 2 seasons playing for us.
And that's the nub of it isn't it? He's played in different leagues, in different countries, under different managers and in different systems but he has never ever scored goals or delivered assists remotely frequently enough. People see potential in him but he's 25 going on 26 now and we are yet to see that potential blossom into an end result. I'd love to see him come good but until and unless he does, he's a luxury.
He's not a luxury because of his defensive statistics and his dribbling ability, he's more like Mousa Dembele, he also had poor goal scoring and assist stats, would you say he was a luxury?
His defensive stats and dribbling ability are fine and I agree you could say he is similar in style to Mousa Dembele. However - his goal scoring and assists were still better than Frank's (even more so when he played as a winger for AZ Alkmaar). Frank is a luxury player because we need more players in the team who can provide goals and assists. When Mousa was at the club we had plenty of other players who could do that (Zamora, Murphy, Duff, Davies, Dempsey, AJ, Duff). It was probably one of the main reasons why he moved from the wing to a deeper central role.
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Quote from: Lordedmundo on August 04, 2021, 12:38:46 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 04, 2021, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on August 04, 2021, 12:19:27 PM
Worrying that bids will seemingly now start for Anguissa.
Be brilliant if we can hold onto him but if we can't, we need to sell.
Good we rejected a loan, I don't want to lose him unless it's a good fee.
Cheeky so and so's - didn't even offer a loan fee apparently!
I'm going to be controversal here and say that Frank is even more of a luxury player at Championship level than Premier League level. If I believed that he was suddenly going to start creating assists and scoring goals, then he would be worth keeping. But I can't see how he will suddenly start doing it after never managing to any stage of his career so far. In this team, we really do need more goal threat from midfield. Without a fit Cairney, this is not going to be provided by Anguissa or Reed - Francois maybe/maybe not. The only central midfielder we have who scores goals is Onomah and his inability to make an impression in many games means he is an unlikely starter.
If we get offered anything around or above £20m for Frank, then I think we should sell him.
Agreed, and I really don't think he will be a big loss to us. I would love us to get as much as £20m for a midfield player with no goals and just 3 assists in 2 seasons playing for us.
And that's the nub of it isn't it? He's played in different leagues, in different countries, under different managers and in different systems but he has never ever scored goals or delivered assists remotely frequently enough. People see potential in him but he's 25 going on 26 now and we are yet to see that potential blossom into an end result. I'd love to see him come good but until and unless he does, he's a luxury.
He's not a luxury because of his defensive statistics and his dribbling ability, he's more like Mousa Dembele, he also had poor goal scoring and assist stats, would you say he was a luxury?
His defensive stats and dribbling ability are fine and I agree you could say he is similar in style to Mousa Dembele. However - his goal scoring and assists were still better than Frank's (even more so when he played as a winger for AZ Alkmaar). Frank is a luxury player because we need more players in the team who can provide goals and assists. When Mousa was at the club we had plenty of other players who could do that (Zamora, Murphy, Duff, Davies, Dempsey, AJ, Duff). It was probably one of the main reasons why he moved from the wing to a deeper central role.
Doesn't make him a luxury though as he still offers something to the team.
Other than 2 goals, his stats were very similar to Declan Rice.
Quote from: cmg on August 04, 2021, 03:53:26 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 04, 2021, 03:23:16 PM
Re Muniz, all we needed to do was send the paperwork over with. Proviso of subject to a fully healthy medical and get it signed like most other clubs do.
As for is he any good does anyone know? I'm not disparaging just wondering
Should we send the paperwork over before or after we've found out if he's any good or not?
Lol. If Silva wants him then they should back him, if it goes pear shaped its a lesson learned and Silva will know, if they dont back him then he will rightly be pissed off if it is his call to sign the player.
So send it now (should have been done ages ago) lock it up on the proviso as i say
Quote from: junior white on August 04, 2021, 04:39:16 PM
Quote from: cmg on August 04, 2021, 03:53:26 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 04, 2021, 03:23:16 PM
Re Muniz, all we needed to do was send the paperwork over with. Proviso of subject to a fully healthy medical and get it signed like most other clubs do.
As for is he any good does anyone know? I'm not disparaging just wondering
Should we send the paperwork over before or after we've found out if he's any good or not?
Lol. If Silva wants him then they should back him, if it goes pear shaped its a lesson learned and Silva will know, if they dont back him then he will rightly be pissed off if it is his call to sign the player.
So send it now (should have been done ages ago) lock it up on the proviso as i say
Agreed.
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/19491096.boro-look-set-lose-race-rodrigo-muniz-fulham/
Anguissa will be a key player for us. We don´t need to sell him. He will be a beast in the Championship. People need to get off his back.
Quote from: grandad on August 04, 2021, 05:05:30 PM
Anguissa will be a key player for us. We don´t need to sell him. He will be a beast in the Championship. People need to get off his back.
Not really. He did nothing in Prem other than lose the ball on numerous occasions, no goals, no goal threat and no assists. What makes you think he will set the Championship alight? Its not the easiest of leagues. Cash in I say and put the money to better use. This of course is my humble opinion
Quote from: junior white on August 04, 2021, 04:39:16 PM
Quote from: cmg on August 04, 2021, 03:53:26 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 04, 2021, 03:23:16 PM
Re Muniz, all we needed to do was send the paperwork over with. Proviso of subject to a fully healthy medical and get it signed like most other clubs do.
As for is he any good does anyone know? I'm not disparaging just wondering
Should we send the paperwork over before or after we've found out if he's any good or not?
Lol. If Silva wants him then they should back him, if it goes pear shaped its a lesson learned and Silva will know, if they dont back him then he will rightly be pissed off if it is his call to sign the player.
So send it now (should have been done ages ago) lock it up on the proviso as i say
Totally agreed
Quote from: grandad on August 04, 2021, 05:05:30 PM
Anguissa will be a key player for us. We don´t need to sell him. He will be a beast in the Championship. People need to get off his back.
But if we need to sell at least 1 big name for big bucks to meet FFP. Who would you sell if not Anguissa?
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on August 04, 2021, 05:12:59 PM
Quote from: grandad on August 04, 2021, 05:05:30 PM
Anguissa will be a key player for us. We don´t need to sell him. He will be a beast in the Championship. People need to get off his back.
Not really. He did nothing in Prem other than lose the ball on numerous occasions, no goals, no goal threat and no assists. What makes you think he will set the Championship alight? Its not the easiest of leagues. Cash in I say and put the money to better use. This of course is my humble opinion
I agree with you. Overrated and no end product
Quote from: grandad on August 04, 2021, 05:05:30 PM
Anguissa will be a key player for us. We don´t need to sell him. He will be a beast in the Championship. People need to get off his back.
"A beast in the Championship". On what basis?
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Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 04, 2021, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on August 04, 2021, 12:19:27 PM
Worrying that bids will seemingly now start for Anguissa.
Be brilliant if we can hold onto him but if we can't, we need to sell.
Good we rejected a loan, I don't want to lose him unless it's a good fee.
Cheeky so and so's - didn't even offer a loan fee apparently!
I'm going to be controversal here and say that Frank is even more of a luxury player at Championship level than Premier League level. If I believed that he was suddenly going to start creating assists and scoring goals, then he would be worth keeping. But I can't see how he will suddenly start doing it after never managing to any stage of his career so far. In this team, we really do need more goal threat from midfield. Without a fit Cairney, this is not going to be provided by Anguissa or Reed - Francois maybe/maybe not. The only central midfielder we have who scores goals is Onomah and his inability to make an impression in many games means he is an unlikely starter.
If we get offered anything around or above £20m for Frank, then I think we should sell him.
Agreed, and I really don't think he will be a big loss to us. I would love us to get as much as £20m for a midfield player with no goals and just 3 assists in 2 seasons playing for us.
And that's the nub of it isn't it? He's played in different leagues, in different countries, under different managers and in different systems but he has never ever scored goals or delivered assists remotely frequently enough. People see potential in him but he's 25 going on 26 now and we are yet to see that potential blossom into an end result. I'd love to see him come good but until and unless he does, he's a luxury.
He's not a luxury because of his defensive statistics and his dribbling ability, he's more like Mousa Dembele, he also had poor goal scoring and assist stats, would you say he was a luxury?
His defensive stats and dribbling ability are fine and I agree you could say he is similar in style to Mousa Dembele. However - his goal scoring and assists were still better than Frank's (even more so when he played as a winger for AZ Alkmaar). Frank is a luxury player because we need more players in the team who can provide goals and assists. When Mousa was at the club we had plenty of other players who could do that (Zamora, Murphy, Duff, Davies, Dempsey, AJ, Duff). It was probably one of the main reasons why he moved from the wing to a deeper central role.
Doesn't make him a luxury though as he still offers something to the team.
You don't get points for dribbles with no end result. He has offered relatively little thus far. Not just to us but to Villarreal whilst out on loan too.
Quote from: Twig on August 04, 2021, 05:46:25 PM
You don't get points for dribbles with no end result. He has offered relatively little thus far. Not just to us but to Villarreal whilst out on loan too.
Except you made that up because he played very regularly for them and they offered £20m for him so clearly he impressed them
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Quote from: Twig on August 04, 2021, 05:46:25 PM
You don't get points for dribbles with no end result. He has offered relatively little thus far. Not just to us but to Villarreal whilst out on loan too.
Except you made that up because he played very regularly for them and they offered £20m for him so clearly he impressed them
We should have snapped their hands off with that offer for him
Zambo will be our Rambo. Just wait & see. I will be cheering him on.
Just as a point of reference, nobody got many assists last season. Lookman is in first place at 4 and then it is a draw between Mitro and Anguissa at 3.
Doubt he is going to stay seeing as we are signing a load of players and he is the only one I think we could get a decent fee for, but there is a lot of hyperbole about him right now.
WSW is there anything interesting to report on for any FFC transfers at the moment?
Big frank flatters to deceive and I honestly think that with ffp we willl have to sell at least one big name .
Go through the players
We must keep tosin so we can build a team around him ,i also think that silva will get a better return from mitro .
If we sell Frank and bring in grimes give francois (who has almost as many assists) plus carv a chance and maybe will Hughes or a surprise signing then I think we will be bettet off
We will not miss Zambo he makes very little impact and does not play within the framework of the team, we are better off with any money we can get for him, and get his wages off the bill.
People aren't going to like this, but I think we should sell TC. He's 30 and crocked and barely played in the past year. I thought we were protecting him for the Championship, but apparently he really has been and still is injured. Reminds me of the great piece of biz we got selling Bullard to Hull for 5m, and he played a half a season and that was it. I actually looked it up, he played 21 games or something and another season at Ipswich. You get the point.
Quote from: The Rock on August 04, 2021, 07:18:40 PM
People aren't going to like this, but I think we should sell TC. He's 30 and crocked and barely played in the past year. I thought we were protecting him for the Championship, but apparently he really has been and still is injured. Reminds me of the great piece of biz we got selling Bullard to Hull for 5m, and he played a half a season and that was it.
There's the slight problem of the medical... What club would want to buy him or even want him for free with the wages he's on?
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Quote from: The Rock on August 04, 2021, 07:18:40 PM
People aren't going to like this, but I think we should sell TC. He's 30 and crocked and barely played in the past year. I thought we were protecting him for the Championship, but apparently he really has been and still is injured. Reminds me of the great piece of biz we got selling Bullard to Hull for 5m, and he played a half a season and that was it.
There's the slight problem of the medical... What club would want to buy him or even want him for free with the wages he's on?
Sheffield Utd! Not sure how far off he is to being fit as he's training I think - everyone on here talks about how one main player has to go and TC is rated at £10m so if there is a will perhaps there is a way.
If only he'd shake his fist, gee up the crowd and run round really fast and fly into tackles like a proper player should. He doesn't do anything meaningful like tackle (more than Harrison, Robinson, Tosin, Anderson) or interceptions (more than basically the whole team) or assists (3rd behind Lookman & Mitro) or successful dribbles (more than whole team) or man of the match (well, he slams that as well.
I listened to a really interesting interview with a few Everton players and they were very open about things. They said that they knew when they were having a stinker and just couldn't get into the match that what they had to do was run like a madman and at least appear to be overly passionate and that would hide a lot with some fans, who would cheer them off.
I think the major issue with Zambo is the coaches who we've had in his time at the club. Just been so p-i-s-s poor.
I think Zambo will never be appreciated by some because of his style of play. We'd rather have Harrison giving his tiger-ish all in the middle of the park. We understand that, we relate to it. But, I'm sure Reed would be the first to admit that Anguissa is in a different league.
People say he doesn't give enough, for some reason completely blind to the fact that he provides more than anyone in the team overall.
We will lose him as we can't afford to buy players without balancing the books. I just hope we get a glimpse of what a coach who knows how to get the best out of our team before that and maybe some of you will ever so slightly change your view
Quote from: grandad on August 04, 2021, 05:05:30 PM
Anguissa will be a key player for us. We don´t need to sell him. He will be a beast in the Championship. People need to get off his back.
Personally would prefer a Houghton. Or Malbranque.
I reckon between slav coming in for Sheff Utd, and the present. Any and everyone has probably been put off of TC. Despite his injury problems over the years I'm only just now feeling like he's probably done at this point. One of my favourite players for years but the fact he missed so much of last season and still isn't fit for this one.. Who would be dumb enough to spend much money on him now?I
Also when did the club decide to start dressing up injured players and showing them in training like they were fine? thought we had an injury or two and turns out about 5 first team players are injured.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 04, 2021, 07:13:04 PM
We will not miss Zambo he makes very little impact and does not play within the framework of the team, we are better off with any money we can get for him, and get his wages off the bill.
What exactly is the framework of the team and what doesn't he do to play within it?
If we stayed up I would have liked to of keep Anguissa but don't see his departure as a negative. See him as a valuable asset that we need to sell to finish off a championship winning squad which also doesn't need to fear FFP. I think selling him would be more beneficial than keeping him. That being said, no way anyone's offering what our owners value him at.
Keep
Quote from: mrmicawbers on August 04, 2021, 08:56:11 PM
Keep
Anguissa or.. Grimes, Muniz, Wilson, Gazzaniga? And I don't have a clue about how FFP works it's just a theoretical question.
:wow:
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 04, 2021, 08:03:33 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 04, 2021, 07:13:04 PM
We will not miss Zambo he makes very little impact and does not play within the framework of the team, we are better off with any money we can get for him, and get his wages off the bill.
What exactly is the framework of the team and what doesn't he do to play within it?
At the end of the day he's never done enough on the pitch to convince me he's worth keeping and if someone offered 20 odd million to take him I would bite their hand off. He loses the ball too much and 2 career goals and 2 career assists in leagues that are considered 'easier' don't warrant that price tag.
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 04, 2021, 08:03:33 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 04, 2021, 07:13:04 PM
We will not miss Zambo he makes very little impact and does not play within the framework of the team, we are better off with any money we can get for him, and get his wages off the bill.
What exactly is the framework of the team and what doesn't he do to play within it?
Normally I would charge you a consultation fee for this, but on this occasion you can have this one for free, but just this once only.
Playing within the Framework of the team is an important aspect to cultivating a winning football team. The positive bonds formed between players through teamwork help to improve the performance of the team and sustain camaraderie when losses occur.
Members of a team work together as one in order to win games.
A single players weaknesses are lessoned when he is part of a good team. When players work well together as a group, they form a positive bond that improves team performance.
By contrast players that do not work well together tend to reduce the success of their team. No matter how great a single football player is, it is the efforts of the team as a whole that helps to win games.
The greatest football teams demonstrate phenomenal team work and win championships as a result of unified efforts.
Coaches enjoy working with level headed football players who are willing to "take one for the team."
Every team sport including football emphasises the importance of team work on and off the field. Working together encourages players to maintain a positive attitude towards one another. Success is multiplied through the efforts of a solid team.
When members of the team focus on themselves instead of the team, they can easily lose games to less talented opponents.
Athlete's who respect their team mates form personal and game related alliances that make any football strategy implemented on the field more likely to be effected.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 04, 2021, 09:40:42 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 04, 2021, 08:03:33 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 04, 2021, 07:13:04 PM
We will not miss Zambo he makes very little impact and does not play within the framework of the team, we are better off with any money we can get for him, and get his wages off the bill.
What exactly is the framework of the team and what doesn't he do to play within it?
Normally I would charge you a consultation fee for this, but on this occasion you can have this one for free, but just this once only.
Playing within the Framework of the team is an important aspect to cultivating a winning football team. The positive bonds formed between players through teamwork help to improve the performance of the team and sustain camaraderie when losses occur.
Members of a team work together as one in order to win games.
A single players weaknesses are lessoned when he is part of a good team. When players work well together as a group, they form a positive bond that improves team performance.
By contrast players that do not work well together tend to reduce the success of their team. No matter how great a single football player is, it is the efforts of the team as a whole that helps to win games.
The greatest football teams demonstrate phenomenal team work and win championships as a result of unified efforts.
Coaches enjoy working with level headed football players who are willing to "take one for the team."
Every team sport including football emphasises the importance of team work on and off the field. Working together encourages players to maintain a positive attitude towards one another. Success is multiplied through the efforts of a solid team.
When members of the team focus on themselves instead of the team, they can easily lose games to less talented opponents.
Athlete's who respect their team mates form personal and game related alliances that make any football strategy implemented on the field more likely to be effected.
Copied & pasted (inc errors) from 3 different web sources shows a real passion for BS. Well done you
Quote from: 70sPimlico on August 04, 2021, 10:49:06 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 04, 2021, 09:40:42 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 04, 2021, 08:03:33 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 04, 2021, 07:13:04 PM
We will not miss Zambo he makes very little impact and does not play within the framework of the team, we are better off with any money we can get for him, and get his wages off the bill.
What exactly is the framework of the team and what doesn't he do to play within it?
Normally I would charge you a consultation fee for this, but on this occasion you can have this one for free, but just this once only.
Playing within the Framework of the team is an important aspect to cultivating a winning football team. The positive bonds formed between players through teamwork help to improve the performance of the team and sustain camaraderie when losses occur.
Members of a team work together as one in order to win games.
A single players weaknesses are lessoned when he is part of a good team. When players work well together as a group, they form a positive bond that improves team performance.
By contrast players that do not work well together tend to reduce the success of their team. No matter how great a single football player is, it is the efforts of the team as a whole that helps to win games.
The greatest football teams demonstrate phenomenal team work and win championships as a result of unified efforts.
Coaches enjoy working with level headed football players who are willing to "take one for the team."
Every team sport including football emphasises the importance of team work on and off the field. Working together encourages players to maintain a positive attitude towards one another. Success is multiplied through the efforts of a solid team.
When members of the team focus on themselves instead of the team, they can easily lose games to less talented opponents.
Athlete's who respect their team mates form personal and game related alliances that make any football strategy implemented on the field more likely to be effected.
Copied & pasted (inc errors) from 3 different web sources shows a real passion for BS. Well done you
Elaborate? I'm eatin popcorn over here!
Oh. :wow:
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 04, 2021, 05:52:22 PM
Quote from: Twig on August 04, 2021, 05:46:25 PM
You don't get points for dribbles with no end result. He has offered relatively little thus far. Not just to us but to Villarreal whilst out on loan too.
Except you made that up because he played very regularly for them and they offered £20m for him so clearly he impressed them
Err no, read my post properly. I said he offered relatively little. You on the other hand pretend to know that Villarreal made a firm transfer offer of £20m. Personally I seriously doubt you are ITK on that. Perhaps you can explain to me what he actually offered to them whilst there?
Quote from: Tabby on August 04, 2021, 06:26:03 PM
Just as a point of reference, nobody got many assists last season. Lookman is in first place at 4 and then it is a draw between Mitro and Anguissa at 3.
Doubt he is going to stay seeing as we are signing a load of players and he is the only one I think we could get a decent fee for, but there is a lot of hyperbole about him right now.
Fair enough if we were talking one season rather then his senior career to date.
I assume we're also looking to offload Reed. Because his goals and assists tally in the last couple of years makes Anguissa look like Iniesta.
It has been explained several times (with stats to back it up) what Anguissa brings to the table. Obviously there are other things than goals and assist that matter. Otherwise maybe we should get rid of Reed as well?
Quote from: Sting of the North on August 04, 2021, 11:40:00 PM
It has been explained several times (with stats to back it up) what Anguissa brings to the table. Obviously there are other things than goals and assist that matter. Otherwise maybe we should get rid of Reed as well?
You can't compare them in my eyes. In the sense that one is a luxery. the other is a little bulldog all over the gaff nibblin at everyone's toes. Reeds work rate is unreal man he's such a quality little special one kante I'd be so so gutted if he left and we kept Anguissa. I like both of them but ask me to pick between it's so easy
Quote from: Twig on August 04, 2021, 11:33:42 PM
Perhaps you can explain to me what he actually offered to them whilst there?
Somebody was quite impressed with Anguissa.
'Whoscored' published ratings for 300 La Liga players based on game by game ratings.
These are the players ranked 21 to 30.
Just an opinion, of course, however well informed. But not company you would be ashamed of being seen in.
LaLiga Player Statistics
All players
Player Apps Mins Goals Assists Yel Red SpG PS% AerialsWon MotM Rating
21Sergio Ramos
Real Madrid, 35, D(CR)
7.07
22Sergio Busquets
Barcelona, 33, DMC
7.07
23André-Frank Zambo Anguissa
Villarreal, 25, DMC
7.0624Mikel Oyarzabal
Real Sociedad, 24, AM(CLR),FW
7.05
25Gerard Piqué
Barcelona, 34, D(C)
7.03
26Koke
Atletico, 29, M(CLR)
7.02
27Daniel Parejo
Valencia, 32, M(C)
7.01
28Luka Modric
Real Madrid, 35, M(C)
7.01
29Ferland Mendy
Real Madrid, 26, D(L),M(L)
7.01
30José Campaña
Levante, 28, M(CLR)
7.00
Ladies.......put your handbags away. I thought this was a transfer thread.
Quote from: JEEVES on August 04, 2021, 11:55:23 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on August 04, 2021, 11:40:00 PM
It has been explained several times (with stats to back it up) what Anguissa brings to the table. Obviously there are other things than goals and assist that matter. Otherwise maybe we should get rid of Reed as well?
You can't compare them in my eyes. In the sense that one is a luxery. the other is a little bulldog all over the gaff nibblin at everyone's toes. Reeds work rate is unreal man he's such a quality little special one kante I'd be so so gutted if he left and we kept Anguissa. I like both of them but ask me to pick between it's so easy
I didn't compare them actually. I am not the one seemingly believing that a midfielder has to contribute goals and assists in order to be of value to a team. As for Reed, he is a good midfielder although seriously overrated by many on here in my opinion. Just like Anguissa is a good midfielder seriously underrated by many on here. Also in my opinion.
Christ this is getting sooo boring
Well reading all this on frank made me personally think everyone was talking about RLC and then I thought wow RLC got off lightly for last year if this is the assessment of frank.
Frank is very good on the ball and is cool and measured in his head,when playing the game.. Some mistake this for not putting in the effort or caring,because he doesnt bomb about like Harrison Reed( who always looks like he cares and gives 100 our cent ).
Both types of players are needed in any team ,the passionate runner and the cooler schemer.
Frank put in some very good performances pre covid in the first half of last season,and then found it hard to come back in astruggling team.
He hasnt produced enough assists or goals but has the undoubted potential to do so . I would like him to stay and prove himself to be the player we can all see he could be.
One image i have of Frank is him dribbling through defenders, breaking through to the edge of the area, and in on goal, but then what happened?
So we see his huge talent, and how he is frustrating, in one.
But, of course, noone at Fulham was able to find the back of the net with necessary frequency.
Frank wasn't too effective defensively either.
Reed was more of a defensive midfield player, who did seem very effective in that role.
But, of course Frank shouldn't just be judged on scoring or creating, but he still hasn't seemed to fulfil his potential in games - but maybe it can be unlocked by a different manager.
Muniz very close to signing, expect deal to be completed in next 24 hours
Quote from: RaySmith on August 05, 2021, 06:03:48 AM
One image i have of Frank is him dribbling through defenders, breaking through to the edge of the area, and in on goal, but then what happened?
So we see his huge talent, and how he is frustrating, in one.
But, of course, noone at Fulham was able to find the back of the net with necessary frequency.
Frank wasn't too effective defensively either.
Reed was more of a defensive midfield player, who did seem very effective in that role.
But, of course Frank shouldn't just be judged on scoring or creating, but he still hasn't seemed to fulfil his potential in games - but maybe it can be unlocked by a different manager.
Interesting that you mention Reed. He can do no wrong in the eyes of most whilst Anguissa is a bit marmite. Yet when you compare the stats Reed is no better than Anguissa, particularly when comparing assists and goals as many have on threads on this forum. On top of that Reed has an injury history with Anguissa getting more minutes last season and is a much more valuable player in monetary terms.
Quote from: Riversider on August 05, 2021, 07:32:12 AM
Muniz very close to signing, expect deal to be completed in next 24 hours
Hooray some transfer news on the transfer thread.
Quote from: Whitestone on August 05, 2021, 07:40:13 AM
Interesting that you mention Reed. He can do no wrong in the eyes of most whilst Anguissa is a bit marmite. Yet when you compare the stats Reed is no better than Anguissa, particularly when comparing assists and goals as many have on threads on this forum. On top of that Reed has an injury history with Anguissa getting more minutes last season and is a much more valuable player in monetary terms.
This. The reason is that Reed always looks like he's trying harder and dare I say it, he's English.
Quote from: Statto on August 05, 2021, 08:31:54 AM
Quote from: Whitestone on August 05, 2021, 07:40:13 AM
Interesting that you mention Reed. He can do no wrong in the eyes of most whilst Anguissa is a bit marmite. Yet when you compare the stats Reed is no better than Anguissa, particularly when comparing assists and goals as many have on threads on this forum. On top of that Reed has an injury history with Anguissa getting more minutes last season and is a much more valuable player in monetary terms.
This. The reason is that Reed always looks like he's trying harder and dare I say it, he's English.
Honestly, can you name a game where Reed has a "bad game"? Don't think it's ever happened. His role is much simpler than Anguissa's, but he perfects it every game.
Do we have a thread for discussing Anguissa? Thought this was transfers
Thankfully only a few posts on this board get sidetracked which makes it such a good read whereas on another site every post gets highjacked into a Tony K rant by one particular poster often followed up by his shadow. 049:gif
This is just an observation and not meant as a topic of conversation.
Matt Grimes close according to the Swansea Independent pending a medical.
https://twitter.com/swansea_indy/status/1423195821575639040
Hartlepool United are going to take legal action over the signing of Luca Murphy where Fulham paid no compensation fee.
Quote from: Tabby on August 05, 2021, 11:13:17 AM
Hartlepool United are going to take legal action over the signing of Luca Murphy where Fulham paid no compensation fee.
How would we as a Club feel if this happened to us. If this is true it's surprising and despicable in my opinion.
Quote from: Statto on August 05, 2021, 08:31:54 AM
Quote from: Whitestone on August 05, 2021, 07:40:13 AM
Interesting that you mention Reed. He can do no wrong in the eyes of most whilst Anguissa is a bit marmite. Yet when you compare the stats Reed is no better than Anguissa, particularly when comparing assists and goals as many have on threads on this forum. On top of that Reed has an injury history with Anguissa getting more minutes last season and is a much more valuable player in monetary terms.
This. The reason is that Reed always looks like he's trying harder and dare I say it, he's English.
Personally I don't think it has anything whatsoever to do with him being English. It's got everything to do with the fact that week in, week out he fufils his role as a defensive centre mid consistently well. Fulham fans have embraced players from all over the globe so Englishness hasn't been the factor.
Zambo on the other hand rarely fulfils his role as a more attacking centre mid. Yes, he has some decent stats for tackles and intercepts but he's in the side for his attacking contribution and in that key area he's simply failed to deliver.
I think we'd all love to see him succeed, why wouldn't we? But to date, despite his apparent talent, he's just not given us much to enthuse about.
And I'm sorry for another Anguissa post but I felt it important to respond to the suggestion that FFC supporters are biased towards English players.
Quote from: Tabby on August 05, 2021, 11:13:17 AM
Hartlepool United are going to take legal action over the signing of Luca Murphy where Fulham paid no compensation fee.
If it's true good for them.
Quote from: Ians on August 05, 2021, 11:20:53 AM
Quote from: Tabby on August 05, 2021, 11:13:17 AM
Hartlepool United are going to take legal action over the signing of Luca Murphy where Fulham paid no compensation fee.
How would we as a Club feel if this happened to us. If this is true it's surprising and despicable in my opinion.
He went to us for a trial and then forced his way out of the club after coming back and signed for Fulham as a free agent. They are saying that we should pay compensation as they offered him a contract.
For more reading: https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/sport/football/hartlepool-united-to-take-legal-action-against-fulham-over-controversial-youth-player-transfer-that-left-them-without-any-compensation-3335162
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on August 05, 2021, 08:42:28 AM
Quote from: Statto on August 05, 2021, 08:31:54 AM
Quote from: Whitestone on August 05, 2021, 07:40:13 AM
Interesting that you mention Reed. He can do no wrong in the eyes of most whilst Anguissa is a bit marmite. Yet when you compare the stats Reed is no better than Anguissa, particularly when comparing assists and goals as many have on threads on this forum. On top of that Reed has an injury history with Anguissa getting more minutes last season and is a much more valuable player in monetary terms.
This. The reason is that Reed always looks like he's trying harder and dare I say it, he's English.
Honestly, can you name a game where Reed has a "bad game"? Don't think it's ever happened. His role is much simpler than Anguissa's, but he perfects it every game.
I like Reed but the perception of him on this forum is laughable sometimes. Credit where it's due, he was decent last year but in a dismal team/season. First season with us he was bang average, took a while to break into the team then got lengthy injuries. Only came good in the last 10 games which is all everyone remembers. Overall Alfie Mawson made a bigger contribution to that promotion campaign than Reed but no one remembers the start of the season, just the end of it.
A translated Muniz update:
Fulham agreed with Flamengo to change the documentation to close the purchase of Rodrigo Muniz this Thursday. The player has even been informed by his representatives of the hit. Now, it seems, finally, this soap opera is going to end. https://odia.ig.com.br/esporte/coluna-do-vene/2021/08/6205849-flamengo-e-fulham-aparam-as-arestas-e-ficam-perto-novamente-de-fechar- operation-by-rodrigo-muniz.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=share-article
Quote from: Statto on August 05, 2021, 11:40:21 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on August 05, 2021, 08:42:28 AM
Quote from: Statto on August 05, 2021, 08:31:54 AM
Quote from: Whitestone on August 05, 2021, 07:40:13 AM
Interesting that you mention Reed. He can do no wrong in the eyes of most whilst Anguissa is a bit marmite. Yet when you compare the stats Reed is no better than Anguissa, particularly when comparing assists and goals as many have on threads on this forum. On top of that Reed has an injury history with Anguissa getting more minutes last season and is a much more valuable player in monetary terms.
This. The reason is that Reed always looks like he's trying harder and dare I say it, he's English.
Honestly, can you name a game where Reed has a "bad game"? Don't think it's ever happened. His role is much simpler than Anguissa's, but he perfects it every game.
I like Reed but the perception of him on this forum is laughable sometimes. Credit where it's due, he was decent last year but in a dismal team/season. First season with us he was bang average, took a while to break into the team then got lengthy injuries. Only came good in the last 10 games which is all everyone remembers. Overall Alfie Mawson made a bigger contribution to that promotion campaign than Reed but no one remembers the start of the season, just the end of it.
Well not really laughable just because people have a different opinion. I don't think it is just perception that Reed has been more committed than Anguissa over their respective periods at the club to date. This may be one reason why he has suffered so many injuries.
Nothing wrong with being supportive of Mawson - but I honestly cannot remember him being anything other than an average in all his games for us. He has never looked 100% fit to me.
Quote from: Statto on August 05, 2021, 11:40:21 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on August 05, 2021, 08:42:28 AM
Quote from: Statto on August 05, 2021, 08:31:54 AM
Quote from: Whitestone on August 05, 2021, 07:40:13 AM
Interesting that you mention Reed. He can do no wrong in the eyes of most whilst Anguissa is a bit marmite. Yet when you compare the stats Reed is no better than Anguissa, particularly when comparing assists and goals as many have on threads on this forum. On top of that Reed has an injury history with Anguissa getting more minutes last season and is a much more valuable player in monetary terms.
This. The reason is that Reed always looks like he's trying harder and dare I say it, he's English.
Honestly, can you name a game where Reed has a "bad game"? Don't think it's ever happened. His role is much simpler than Anguissa's, but he perfects it every game.
I like Reed but the perception of him on this forum is laughable sometimes. Credit where it's due, he was decent last year but in a dismal team/season. First season with us he was bang average, took a while to break into the team then got lengthy injuries. Only came good in the last 10 games which is all everyone remembers. Overall Alfie Mawson made a bigger contribution to that promotion campaign than Reed but no one remembers the start of the season, just the end of it.
Reed wasn't bang average the season we got promoted. Granted he took a while to settle in but once he was in he was consistently brilliant. He also finished third in the player of the season award.
Quote from: Twig on August 05, 2021, 11:22:27 AM
Quote from: Statto on August 05, 2021, 08:31:54 AM
Quote from: Whitestone on August 05, 2021, 07:40:13 AM
Interesting that you mention Reed. He can do no wrong in the eyes of most whilst Anguissa is a bit marmite. Yet when you compare the stats Reed is no better than Anguissa, particularly when comparing assists and goals as many have on threads on this forum. On top of that Reed has an injury history with Anguissa getting more minutes last season and is a much more valuable player in monetary terms.
This. The reason is that Reed always looks like he's trying harder and dare I say it, he's English.
Personally I don't think it has anything whatsoever to do with him being English. It's got everything to do with the fact that week in, week out he fufils his role as a defensive centre mid consistently well. Fulham fans have embraced players from all over the globe so Englishness hasn't been the factor.
Zambo on the other hand rarely fulfils his role as a more attacking centre mid. Yes, he has some decent stats for tackles and intercepts but he's in the side for his attacking contribution and in that key area he's simply failed to deliver.
I think we'd all love to see him succeed, why wouldn't we? But to date, despite his apparent talent, he's just not given us much to enthuse about.
Exactly! They have completely different roles in the team.
Reed has been superb in his role.
Anguissa has been extremely inconsistent. At his best he has looked like a world class player but at his worst he has been a liability. It's almost like there's two different versions of him and you never know which one you're gonna get. It would also be fair to expect more goals/assists from his more attacking role but he's just not a natural goal scorer. His stats seem to suggest that he's better in a more defensive midfield position but we've already tried him in the KMac/Reed role and it was a disaster. KMac/Reed are lacking in pace but both have the abilility to read the game and spot any danger soon enough to deal with it. Anguissa's lack of awareness means can't be trusted as a sole holding midfielder. It seems to me that Anguissa's best position could be as a second DM but we don't set up our team that way.
If he is motivated he SHOULD be one of the best players in the Championship but Silva will have to figure out how to get the best out of him. If not he should be sold. Personally I think he will be sold. We will probably need to sell at least one of our most valuable players to avoid problems with FFP and Anguissa seems like the most likely candidate IMO.
Quote from: Ians on August 05, 2021, 11:20:53 AM
Quote from: Tabby on August 05, 2021, 11:13:17 AM
Hartlepool United are going to take legal action over the signing of Luca Murphy where Fulham paid no compensation fee.
How would we as a Club feel if this happened to us. If this is true it's surprising and despicable in my opinion.
Agree
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on August 05, 2021, 12:18:14 PM
Quote from: Twig on August 05, 2021, 11:22:27 AM
Quote from: Statto on August 05, 2021, 08:31:54 AM
Quote from: Whitestone on August 05, 2021, 07:40:13 AM
Interesting that you mention Reed. He can do no wrong in the eyes of most whilst Anguissa is a bit marmite. Yet when you compare the stats Reed is no better than Anguissa, particularly when comparing assists and goals as many have on threads on this forum. On top of that Reed has an injury history with Anguissa getting more minutes last season and is a much more valuable player in monetary terms.
This. The reason is that Reed always looks like he's trying harder and dare I say it, he's English.
Personally I don't think it has anything whatsoever to do with him being English. It's got everything to do with the fact that week in, week out he fufils his role as a defensive centre mid consistently well. Fulham fans have embraced players from all over the globe so Englishness hasn't been the factor.
Zambo on the other hand rarely fulfils his role as a more attacking centre mid. Yes, he has some decent stats for tackles and intercepts but he's in the side for his attacking contribution and in that key area he's simply failed to deliver.
I think we'd all love to see him succeed, why wouldn't we? But to date, despite his apparent talent, he's just not given us much to enthuse about.
Exactly! They have completely different roles in the team.
Reed has been superb in his role.
Anguissa has been extremely inconsistent. At his best he has looked like a world class player but at his worst he has been a liability. It's almost like there's two different versions of him and you never know which one you're gonna get. It would also be fair to expect more goals/assists from his more attacking role but he's just not a natural goal scorer. His stats seem to suggest that he's better in a more defensive midfield position but we've already tried him in the KMac/Reed role and it was a disaster. KMac/Reed are lacking in pace but both have the abilility to read the game and spot any danger soon enough to deal with it. Anguissa's lack of awareness means can't be trusted as a sole holding midfielder. It seems to me that Anguissa's best position could be as a second DM but we don't set up our team that way.
If he is motivated he SHOULD be one of the best players in the Championship but Silva will have to figure out how to get the best out of him. If not he should be sold. Personally I think he will be sold. We will probably need to sell at least one of our most valuable players to avoid problems with FFP and Anguissa seems like the most likely candidate IMO.
His best role will be box to box midfielder and given Silva's success with Doucoure I think he can really help Anguissa in that role. I don't think he's ever going to be a regular goalscorer but I've seen enough in his passing to suggest he can get more assists, Silva needs to encourage him to play the ball more progressively and coach the safe passing that Parker encouraged out of him.
Roma want anguissa
And todays scapegoat is- drum roll- Anguissa.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 05, 2021, 12:16:57 PM
Reed wasn't bang average the season we got promoted. Granted he took a while to settle in but once he was in he was consistently brilliant. He also finished third in the player of the season award.
First 10 games he got rotated. Then strung 6 starts together before getting injured. Came back, played 3 games then got injured again. Came back again (this is June by now) played seven strong games, then a suspension, then good in the play-offs. As I said, good for the last quarter of the season but hit and miss, and frequently absent, for the bulk of it. Played in less than half our league games overall. Certainly not "consistent".
Quote from: Statto on August 05, 2021, 12:36:59 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 05, 2021, 12:16:57 PM
Reed wasn't bang average the season we got promoted. Granted he took a while to settle in but once he was in he was consistently brilliant. He also finished third in the player of the season award.
First 10 games he got rotated. Then strung 6 starts together before getting injured. Came back, played 3 games then got injured again. Came back again (this is June by now) played seven strong games, then a suspension, then good in the play-offs. As I said, good for the last quarter of the season but hit and miss, and frequently absent, for the bulk of it. Played in less than half our league games overall. Certainly not "consistent".
Consistent when he played yes, he was a key player when he was available.
Quote from: rusty shackleford on August 05, 2021, 12:27:19 PM
Roma want anguissa
Normally I'd say we should ask for £25 million but as it's Mourinho's team, £50 million. Can't stand that man.
If we have to sell him to balance the books the so be it unfortunately. I'm not sure he would want to be here playing Championship football.
Wonder if that would mean Seri would stay or if he will be sent away as well.
Catching up with this Muniz situation, my god it's dragging on isn't it. Him and Grimes have been linked for a while...hopefully we can have this wrapped up ASAP.
Not sure if we need to sign anyone else if we can get them through the door? Anyone else agree?
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 05, 2021, 12:41:23 PM
Quote from: rusty shackleford on August 05, 2021, 12:27:19 PM
Roma want anguissa
Normally I'd say we should ask for £25 million but as it's Mourinho's team, £50 million. Can't stand that man.
Report in the paper the other day that Roma are skint and need to sell players
Hilda the tea lady has a year left on her contract. Should we let it run down then offer a pay per cup deal.
Quote from: junior white on August 05, 2021, 01:09:57 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 05, 2021, 12:41:23 PM
Quote from: rusty shackleford on August 05, 2021, 12:27:19 PM
Roma want anguissa
Normally I'd say we should ask for £25 million but as it's Mourinho's team, £50 million. Can't stand that man.
Report in the paper the other day that Roma are skint and need to sell players
Probably looking for a loan in that case, we should say no.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 05, 2021, 01:21:23 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 05, 2021, 01:09:57 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 05, 2021, 12:41:23 PM
Quote from: rusty shackleford on August 05, 2021, 12:27:19 PM
Roma want anguissa
Normally I'd say we should ask for £25 million but as it's Mourinho's team, £50 million. Can't stand that man.
Report in the paper the other day that Roma are skint and need to sell players
Probably looking for a loan in that case, we should say no.
Straight swap for Lorenzo Pellegrini? If not - Spinazzola will do :dft012:
Quote from: grandad on August 05, 2021, 01:10:43 PM
Hilda the tea lady has a year left on her contract. Should we let it run down then offer a pay per cup deal.
About time we cut her adrift, been around for years and is due to retire so let her go and get someone new.
Quote from: Lordedmundo on August 05, 2021, 01:31:19 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 05, 2021, 01:21:23 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 05, 2021, 01:09:57 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 05, 2021, 12:41:23 PM
Quote from: rusty shackleford on August 05, 2021, 12:27:19 PM
Roma want anguissa
Normally I'd say we should ask for £25 million but as it's Mourinho's team, £50 million. Can't stand that man.
Report in the paper the other day that Roma are skint and need to sell players
Probably looking for a loan in that case, we should say no.
Straight swap for Lorenzo Pellegrini? If not - Spinazzola will do :dft012:
Spinazzola would fit our profile seeing as he will spend next season in the physio room.
Quote from: Whitestone on August 05, 2021, 07:40:13 AM
Quote from: RaySmith on August 05, 2021, 06:03:48 AM
One image i have of Frank is him dribbling through defenders, breaking through to the edge of the area, and in on goal, but then what happened?
So we see his huge talent, and how he is frustrating, in one.
But, of course, noone at Fulham was able to find the back of the net with necessary frequency.
Frank wasn't too effective defensively either.
Reed was more of a defensive midfield player, who did seem very effective in that role.
But, of course Frank shouldn't just be judged on scoring or creating, but he still hasn't seemed to fulfil his potential in games - but maybe it can be unlocked by a different manager.
Interesting that you mention Reed. He can do no wrong in the eyes of most whilst Anguissa is a bit marmite. Yet when you compare the stats Reed is no better than Anguissa, particularly when comparing assists and goals as many have on threads on this forum. On top of that Reed has an injury history with Anguissa getting more minutes last season and is a much more valuable player in monetary terms.
Over the course of their careers, Reed has been roughly 3x more productive in terms of goals+assists then Anguissa when you break it down to minutes they've played.
I don't know for sure but at a guess I'd have thought Frank probably costs Fulham 3x as much as Reed in transfers+wages.
I'm not arguing for either way for those two but I would guess those perceptions play into people judgment when they're being weighed against each other.
Part of the difference in perception also probably comes down to Reed being more disciplined in his positioning as a more traditional 6 type player. But Frank does his best work when given a bit of freedom to break forwards more?
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 05, 2021, 12:23:09 PM
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on August 05, 2021, 12:18:14 PM
Quote from: Twig on August 05, 2021, 11:22:27 AM
Quote from: Statto on August 05, 2021, 08:31:54 AM
Quote from: Whitestone on August 05, 2021, 07:40:13 AM
Interesting that you mention Reed. He can do no wrong in the eyes of most whilst Anguissa is a bit marmite. Yet when you compare the stats Reed is no better than Anguissa, particularly when comparing assists and goals as many have on threads on this forum. On top of that Reed has an injury history with Anguissa getting more minutes last season and is a much more valuable player in monetary terms.
This. The reason is that Reed always looks like he's trying harder and dare I say it, he's English.
Personally I don't think it has anything whatsoever to do with him being English. It's got everything to do with the fact that week in, week out he fufils his role as a defensive centre mid consistently well. Fulham fans have embraced players from all over the globe so Englishness hasn't been the factor.
Zambo on the other hand rarely fulfils his role as a more attacking centre mid. Yes, he has some decent stats for tackles and intercepts but he's in the side for his attacking contribution and in that key area he's simply failed to deliver.
I think we'd all love to see him succeed, why wouldn't we? But to date, despite his apparent talent, he's just not given us much to enthuse about.
Exactly! They have completely different roles in the team.
Reed has been superb in his role.
Anguissa has been extremely inconsistent. At his best he has looked like a world class player but at his worst he has been a liability. It's almost like there's two different versions of him and you never know which one you're gonna get. It would also be fair to expect more goals/assists from his more attacking role but he's just not a natural goal scorer. His stats seem to suggest that he's better in a more defensive midfield position but we've already tried him in the KMac/Reed role and it was a disaster. KMac/Reed are lacking in pace but both have the abilility to read the game and spot any danger soon enough to deal with it. Anguissa's lack of awareness means can't be trusted as a sole holding midfielder. It seems to me that Anguissa's best position could be as a second DM but we don't set up our team that way.
If he is motivated he SHOULD be one of the best players in the Championship but Silva will have to figure out how to get the best out of him. If not he should be sold. Personally I think he will be sold. We will probably need to sell at least one of our most valuable players to avoid problems with FFP and Anguissa seems like the most likely candidate IMO.
His best role will be box to box midfielder and given Silva's success with Doucoure I think he can really help Anguissa in that role. I don't think he's ever going to be a regular goalscorer but I've seen enough in his passing to suggest he can get more assists, Silva needs to encourage him to play the ball more progressively and coach the safe passing that Parker encouraged out of him.
I'm with you Warrior. His penetrating forward runs draw defenders so if Silva can teach him how to make the pass before he is closed down he will be devastating.
Quote from: grandad on August 05, 2021, 01:10:43 PM
Hilda the tea lady has a year left on her contract. Should we let it run down then offer a pay per cup deal.
Is her trolley ULEZ compliant?
Quote from: grandad on August 05, 2021, 01:10:43 PM
Hilda the tea lady has a year left on her contract. Should we let it run down then offer a pay per cup deal.
We should only use her for 'Cup matches!! 😉⚽️⚽️👍
If it's pay per cup how much will she urn?
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 05, 2021, 11:24:35 AM
Quote from: Tabby on August 05, 2021, 11:13:17 AM
Hartlepool United are going to take legal action over the signing of Luca Murphy where Fulham paid no compensation fee.
If it's true good for them.
Absolutely...... we shouldn't be crapping on smaller clubs.... We hated it when Spurs and Liverpool tried to screw us over!
Sides like Hartlepool can only survive by bringing through talent and selling on their best assets.
Grass roots need the support of bigger clubs, not being taken advantage of.
Fairs fair Fulham.... play the game 🤬⚽️⚽️
Quote from: Fulham Tup North on August 05, 2021, 02:53:38 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 05, 2021, 11:24:35 AM
Quote from: Tabby on August 05, 2021, 11:13:17 AM
Hartlepool United are going to take legal action over the signing of Luca Murphy where Fulham paid no compensation fee.
If it's true good for them.
Absolutely...... we shouldn't be crapping on smaller clubs.... We hated it when Spurs and Liverpool tried to screw us over!
Sides like Hartlepool can only survive by bringing through talent and selling on their best assets.
Grass roots need the support of bigger clubs, not being taken advantage of.
Fairs fair Fulham.... play the game 🤬⚽️⚽️
Sorry but does anyone know the facts here or are we just assuming the bigger club did something wrong?
We paid more than we needed to for Robinson which implies we don't mind paying extra to conduct our business in an ethical way.
And we're not one of those clubs that goes around mugging other clubs off. If anything we're generally the mugs, with more money than sense.
Just because Hartlepool are whining it doesn't mean it has any merit.
Quote from: Statto on August 05, 2021, 03:19:40 PM
Quote from: Fulham Tup North on August 05, 2021, 02:53:38 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 05, 2021, 11:24:35 AM
Quote from: Tabby on August 05, 2021, 11:13:17 AM
Hartlepool United are going to take legal action over the signing of Luca Murphy where Fulham paid no compensation fee.
If it's true good for them.
Absolutely...... we shouldn't be crapping on smaller clubs.... We hated it when Spurs and Liverpool tried to screw us over!
Sides like Hartlepool can only survive by bringing through talent and selling on their best assets.
Grass roots need the support of bigger clubs, not being taken advantage of.
Fairs fair Fulham.... play the game 🤬⚽️⚽️
Sorry but does anyone know the facts here or are we just assuming the bigger club did something wrong?
We paid more than we needed to for Robinson which implies we don't mind paying extra to conduct our business in an ethical way.
And we're not one of those clubs that goes around mugging other clubs off. If anything we're generally the mugs, with more money than sense.
Just because Hartlepool are whining it doesn't mean it has any merit.
Good post. Some silly assumptions being made. If it goes to a tribunal both sides will have their say.
Quote from: Tabby on August 05, 2021, 11:34:28 AM
Quote from: Ians on August 05, 2021, 11:20:53 AM
Quote from: Tabby on August 05, 2021, 11:13:17 AM
Hartlepool United are going to take legal action over the signing of Luca Murphy where Fulham paid no compensation fee.
How would we as a Club feel if this happened to us. If this is true it's surprising and despicable in my opinion.
He went to us for a trial and then forced his way out of the club after coming back and signed for Fulham as a free agent. They are saying that we should pay compensation as they offered him a contract.
For more reading: https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/sport/football/hartlepool-united-to-take-legal-action-against-fulham-over-controversial-youth-player-transfer-that-left-them-without-any-compensation-3335162
"Hartlepool deemed it no longer appropriate to have Murphy as part of the club's youth set-up and agreed a mutual termination of the player's contract. Murphy then joined Fulham on a free transfer just 11 days later."
Am I missing something? If his contract was terminated, then I take that to mean he has no contract with the club.
Baffling.
Luca Murphy is no longer with Fulham having not been offered a new contract. Have Hartlepool taken him back?
Quote from: The Rock on August 05, 2021, 03:49:21 PM
Quote from: Tabby on August 05, 2021, 11:34:28 AM
Quote from: Ians on August 05, 2021, 11:20:53 AM
Quote from: Tabby on August 05, 2021, 11:13:17 AM
Hartlepool United are going to take legal action over the signing of Luca Murphy where Fulham paid no compensation fee.
How would we as a Club feel if this happened to us. If this is true it's surprising and despicable in my opinion.
He went to us for a trial and then forced his way out of the club after coming back and signed for Fulham as a free agent. They are saying that we should pay compensation as they offered him a contract.
For more reading: https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/sport/football/hartlepool-united-to-take-legal-action-against-fulham-over-controversial-youth-player-transfer-that-left-them-without-any-compensation-3335162
"Hartlepool deemed it no longer appropriate to have Murphy as part of the club's youth set-up and agreed a mutual termination of the player's contract. Murphy then joined Fulham on a free transfer just 11 days later."
Am I missing something? If his contract was terminated, then I take that to mean he has no contract with the club.
Baffling.
They're still supposed to get a fee for the development costs though, also it sounds like he was acting up because he wanted to move to Fulham.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 05, 2021, 04:35:38 PM
Quote from: The Rock on August 05, 2021, 03:49:21 PM
Quote from: Tabby on August 05, 2021, 11:34:28 AM
Quote from: Ians on August 05, 2021, 11:20:53 AM
Quote from: Tabby on August 05, 2021, 11:13:17 AM
Hartlepool United are going to take legal action over the signing of Luca Murphy where Fulham paid no compensation fee.
How would we as a Club feel if this happened to us. If this is true it's surprising and despicable in my opinion.
He went to us for a trial and then forced his way out of the club after coming back and signed for Fulham as a free agent. They are saying that we should pay compensation as they offered him a contract.
For more reading: https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/sport/football/hartlepool-united-to-take-legal-action-against-fulham-over-controversial-youth-player-transfer-that-left-them-without-any-compensation-3335162
"Hartlepool deemed it no longer appropriate to have Murphy as part of the club's youth set-up and agreed a mutual termination of the player's contract. Murphy then joined Fulham on a free transfer just 11 days later."
Am I missing something? If his contract was terminated, then I take that to mean he has no contract with the club.
Baffling.
They're still supposed to get a fee for the development costs though, also it sounds like he was acting up because he wanted to move to Fulham.
There was speculation that he'd been encouraged to act up to get kicked out of Hartlepool.
Very much speculation but the timings of everything suited Fulham very very well.
So we can't talk about existing players or tactics on the transfers thread but we can have a page of this Hilda crap
:doh:
Quote from: Statto on August 05, 2021, 07:02:01 PM
So we can't talk about existing players or tactics on the transfers thread but we can have a page of this Hilda crap
:doh:
Was thinking the same lol.
Sorry everyone, try to keep it on topic which will help people get to the most recent transfer gossip quickly.
Quote from: Statto on August 05, 2021, 07:02:01 PM
So we can't talk about existing players or tactics on the transfers thread but we can have a page of this Hilda crap
:doh:
Yep.
It's about as funny as Last of the Summer Wine.
Adam Armstrong in advanced talks with Palace, apparently.
They are signing some good players, I think. Now it's down to the manager to make it work for them.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 05, 2021, 07:57:26 PM
Adam Armstrong in advanced talks with Palace, apparently.
They are signing some good players, I think. Now it's down to the manager to make it work for them.
Agreed
But all these pages on transfer speculation and it turns into the same thing every year. I don't like him, I do, hope we get him , I don't oh he isn't coming anyway. I would like XYZ to come. But they don't.
Frankly this thread off topic is far more interesting than when it talks nonsense on topic. How many pages are we and how many players have we signed? No let's take any joy out of FOF and leave it to the cool kids who like to tell us who they like to bring in which frankly is so riveting. Or other transfer news from other divisions that we can all read elsewhere anyway.
Yes let's stick to the point. Dull but it is what they demand.
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 05, 2021, 09:05:23 PM
But all these pages on transfer speculation and it turns into the same thing every year. I don't like him, I do, hope we get him , I don't oh he isn't coming anyway. I would like XYZ to come. But they don't.
Frankly this thread off topic is far more interesting than when it talks nonsense on topic. How many pages are we and how many players have we signed? No let's take any joy out of FOF and leave it to the cool kids who like to tell us who they like to bring in which frankly is so riveting. Or other transfer news from other divisions that we can all read elsewhere anyway.
Yes let's stick to the point. Dull but it is what they demand.
Comes up twice a year with this thread. I suppose what I would say is that for some of us, that maybe just pop in from time to time and are keen to know if there is any breaking transfer news and then have to scroll through "humour" and "arguments" posts, it does become a bit of a slog.
Everyone is different and I try not to criticise other peoples humour but personally do feel that many of the "jokes" on here are for a completely different genre that I know nothing about. Maybe there could be other threads for the comedians amongst us.
The thing that is quite sad is that for, what I guess is the most popular ffc forum, its actually not a good place to come to for latest news and discussions on the club.
But. It is what it is and I'll keep coming back. Apart from when I get banned but must have been a good boy recently as I've been free for about two months
Every now and then a thread gets a bit over heated - responses like the ones surrounding ' Hilda " used to annoy me - but then I chilled a tad and realised it was just another layer , another character trait of this forum . Mince and Tatties was a primary exponent of this , he made me cross - but now I miss him . I even missed Statto when he was banned . Don't lighten up in terms of the debate or arguments but do ,please allow everyone to vent, or jest , in the way they feel is most appropriate to them .
This is an intelligent forum that is home to us all.
Quote from: HV71 on August 05, 2021, 09:45:30 PM
Every now and then a thread gets a bit over heated - responses like the ones surrounding ' Hilda " used to annoy me - but then I chilled a tad and realised it was just another layer , another character trait of this forum . Mince and Tatties was a primary exponent of this , he made me cross - but now I miss him . I even missed Statto when he was banned . Don't lighten up in terms of the debate or arguments but do ,please allow everyone to vent, or jest , in the way they feel is most appropriate to them .
This is an intelligent forum that is home to us all.
Hear, hear.
Where did M&T go?
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 05, 2021, 10:00:10 PM
Where did M&T go?
I posted a couple of times - asking if anyone had ant information. He last posted sometime in February I think. Sadly I fear the worse - he could be rather acerbic- but I for one miss him
Quote from: Statto on August 05, 2021, 07:02:01 PM
So we can't talk about existing players or tactics on the transfers thread but we can have a page of this Hilda crap
:doh:
The rumour was tat Hilda had been transfered never to return, sorry it fitted this thread.
Seems fair enough. :D
https://twitter.com/venecasagrande/status/1423402466863980550?s=21
Translates as: Flamengo and Fulham began exchanging the draft contract so that the sale of Rodrigo Muniz to the English team is finally enshrined. The parties will now check the documents. The striker's contract with the London team will be for five seasons.
Nice one Deeping ahead of the game. Pleased to get this over the line and
personnaly believe this has been stage managed for maximum media
coverage.
Vene Casagrande - 'In the sale of Rodrigo Muniz to Fulham, in the final moments of the transaction, Flamengo managed to keep another 5%. In the initial agreement, I would keep 20%. Now it will keep 25%.
Operation summary: Fla will sell 75% of the attacker for € 8 million, around R$ 50 million at the current price.'
Looks like we had to put a cherry on top at the end but it now appears done subject to quarantine and medical. That is going to drag on as he is still isolating until Monday next week after his positive test. He then needs to travel and quarantine for 10 days before the deal can be completed. It would be nice of the club to announce a deal has been agreed subject to medical etc but I expect they will make us wait until the Hull game before making an announcement.
Quote from: dfwilson84 on August 06, 2021, 09:27:58 AM
Vene Casagrande - 'In the sale of Rodrigo Muniz to Fulham, in the final moments of the transaction, Flamengo managed to keep another 5%. In the initial agreement, I would keep 20%. Now it will keep 25%.
Operation summary: Fla will sell 75% of the attacker for € 8 million, around R$ 50 million at the current price.'
Looks like we had to put a cherry on top at the end but it now appears done subject to quarantine and medical. That is going to drag on as he is still isolating until Monday next week after his positive test. He then needs to travel and quarantine for 10 days before the deal can be completed. It would be nice of the club to announce a deal has been agreed subject to medical etc but I expect they will make us wait until the Hull game before making an announcement.
Might make more sense to do the medical in Brazil on Monday and get the deal done, then bring him over. Would be a big ask for him to spend 10 days in a quarantine hotel next to Heathrow if the deal isn't even confirmed and we might end up sending him back. Although you do have to wonder if there isn't some exemption anyway.
Not sure about exemptions as I read that Varane is currently in quarantine ahead of his move to Utd. I know there are ways of ending quarantine early if you are travelling from amber list countries but Brazil is red so I think the general rule is 10 days.
I did read before that the plan was for Muniz to have half his medical in Brazil and the rest over here. Perhaps we would need to send people over there to complete the full medical and they would run into the same quarantine issues?
Quote from: Statto on August 06, 2021, 09:37:57 AM
Quote from: dfwilson84 on August 06, 2021, 09:27:58 AM
Vene Casagrande - 'In the sale of Rodrigo Muniz to Fulham, in the final moments of the transaction, Flamengo managed to keep another 5%. In the initial agreement, I would keep 20%. Now it will keep 25%.
Operation summary: Fla will sell 75% of the attacker for € 8 million, around R$ 50 million at the current price.'
Looks like we had to put a cherry on top at the end but it now appears done subject to quarantine and medical. That is going to drag on as he is still isolating until Monday next week after his positive test. He then needs to travel and quarantine for 10 days before the deal can be completed. It would be nice of the club to announce a deal has been agreed subject to medical etc but I expect they will make us wait until the Hull game before making an announcement.
Might make more sense to do the medical in Brazil on Monday and get the deal done, then bring him over. Would be a big ask for him to spend 10 days in a quarantine hotel next to Heathrow if the deal isn't even confirmed and we might end up sending him back. Although you do have to wonder if there isn't some exemption anyway.
A medical in Brazil would mean sending our medical team to Brazil then they and the player would be subject to quarantine on return to the UK.
I assume thoe late signings on transfer deadline day are made " subject to medical". No reason this one shouldn't be the same.
Would be surprised if we need to send people out there from London to do medical checks. Think it was just MAF who only trusted one doctor...
Quote from: Statto on August 06, 2021, 09:37:57 AM
Quote from: dfwilson84 on August 06, 2021, 09:27:58 AM
Vene Casagrande - 'In the sale of Rodrigo Muniz to Fulham, in the final moments of the transaction, Flamengo managed to keep another 5%. In the initial agreement, I would keep 20%. Now it will keep 25%.
Operation summary: Fla will sell 75% of the attacker for € 8 million, around R$ 50 million at the current price.'
Looks like we had to put a cherry on top at the end but it now appears done subject to quarantine and medical. That is going to drag on as he is still isolating until Monday next week after his positive test. He then needs to travel and quarantine for 10 days before the deal can be completed. It would be nice of the club to announce a deal has been agreed subject to medical etc but I expect they will make us wait until the Hull game before making an announcement.
Might make more sense to do the medical in Brazil on Monday and get the deal done, then bring him over. Would be a big ask for him to spend 10 days in a quarantine hotel next to Heathrow if the deal isn't even confirmed and we might end up sending him back. Although you do have to wonder if there isn't some exemption anyway.
I agree, although I found out the other day it isnt just hotels at the airports that are used. People get ferried to other hotels around the capital apparently. The Intercontenental at the O2 is or was being used i was told i was quite surprised
Latest from an italian website.
nother hit for #FulhamFC. Today the arrival of  Rodrigo Muniz from #Flamengo will be defined. Total agreement is reached.  8 million for the 2001 class center forward
So for this Brazilian we're paying EUR 8m, about £6.8m, and giving them a 25% sell-on clause... Not bad. We paid over £5m for AK47.
Quote from: Statto on August 06, 2021, 02:36:56 PM
So for this Brazilian we're paying EUR 8m, about £6.8m, and giving them a 25% sell-on clause... Not bad. We paid over £5m for AK47.
Not bad at all. And hopefully reclaim about 4m for AK if his transfer to Aris goes through.
Quote from: Statto on August 06, 2021, 02:36:56 PM
So for this Brazilian we're paying EUR 8m, about £6.8m, and giving them a 25% sell-on clause... Not bad. We paid over £5m for AK47.
The majority of sell on clauses these days only apply to the profit as well, so 25% on anything over £6.8m when sold.
Although that's not all cases and I clearly have no idea whether that applies to this transfer.
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on August 06, 2021, 02:38:19 PM
Quote from: Statto on August 06, 2021, 02:36:56 PM
So for this Brazilian we're paying EUR 8m, about £6.8m, and giving them a 25% sell-on clause... Not bad. We paid over £5m for AK47.
Not bad at all. And hopefully reclaim about 4m for AK if his transfer to Aris goes through.
There is absolutely no chance whatsover that Aris Thessaloniki can afford to pay £4m for Kamara. They just do not spend that amount of money on players:
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/aris-thessaloniki/transferrekorde/verein/605
The club may get £1m - but more likely half that.
Quote from: Lordedmundo on August 06, 2021, 03:23:44 PM
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on August 06, 2021, 02:38:19 PM
Quote from: Statto on August 06, 2021, 02:36:56 PM
So for this Brazilian we're paying EUR 8m, about £6.8m, and giving them a 25% sell-on clause... Not bad. We paid over £5m for AK47.
Not bad at all. And hopefully reclaim about 4m for AK if his transfer to Aris goes through.
There is absolutely no chance whatsover that Aris Thessaloniki can afford to pay £4m for Kamara. They just do not spend that amount of money on players:
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/aris-thessaloniki/transferrekorde/verein/605
The club may get £1m - but more likely half that.
Well there's always a first time for everything I suppose. That's if it's true of course.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theathletic.com/2708591/2021/08/04/transfer-news-fulham-aboubakar-kamara/%3famp
Plenty of movement elsewhere. Boro have signed a South American player. Lots of movement around us.
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on August 06, 2021, 03:28:41 PM
Quote from: Lordedmundo on August 06, 2021, 03:23:44 PM
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on August 06, 2021, 02:38:19 PM
Quote from: Statto on August 06, 2021, 02:36:56 PM
So for this Brazilian we're paying EUR 8m, about £6.8m, and giving them a 25% sell-on clause... Not bad. We paid over £5m for AK47.
Not bad at all. And hopefully reclaim about 4m for AK if his transfer to Aris goes through.
There is absolutely no chance whatsover that Aris Thessaloniki can afford to pay £4m for Kamara. They just do not spend that amount of money on players:
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/aris-thessaloniki/transferrekorde/verein/605
The club may get £1m - but more likely half that.
Well there's always a first time for everything I suppose. That's if it's true of course.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theathletic.com/2708591/2021/08/04/transfer-news-fulham-aboubakar-kamara/%3famp
I've said it before - Aris doesn't have that kind of money and everyone in Greece (their fans as well) is more than surprised by that amount.
A loan probably makes the most sense or a sale for a small amount (500k?) and perhaps a percentage of the next sale.
Just ask yourself this question: why would anyone pay £4m for Kamara now?
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I can't see any club offering more than a minimal fee and perhaps a sell on percentage. We need to get some of the peripheral squad players off the books. With Cavaleiro, Knockhaert, Kebano etc there's no room for Kamara. Anything the club can get for him will be a bonus.
Pereira has been sold by West Brom to Hilal in Saudi Arabia.
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on August 06, 2021, 06:26:06 PM
Pereira has been sold by West Brom to Hilal in Saudi Arabia.
This is good news.
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on August 06, 2021, 06:26:06 PM
Pereira has been sold by West Brom to Hilal in Saudi Arabia.
That's odd. Could have got a prem move surely? That's mad
Quote from: JEEVES on August 06, 2021, 07:15:34 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on August 06, 2021, 06:26:06 PM
Pereira has been sold by West Brom to Hilal in Saudi Arabia.
That's odd. Could have got a prem move surely? That's mad
Only West Ham put a bid in on loan, whereas he is alledgedly going for £17m.
Quote from: JEEVES on August 06, 2021, 07:15:34 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on August 06, 2021, 06:26:06 PM
Pereira has been sold by West Brom to Hilal in Saudi Arabia.
That's odd. Could have got a prem move surely? That's mad
£$£$
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Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on August 06, 2021, 06:26:06 PM
Pereira has been sold by West Brom to Hilal in Saudi Arabia.
That's odd. Could have got a prem move surely? That's mad
£$£$
He begged west brom to sell him as he had received an offer that was astronomical and her had to accept for his family
So when do we get the question of which internet site is best for watching Sunday's game?
Quote from: keithh on August 06, 2021, 08:46:02 PM
So when do we get the question of which internet site is best for watching Sunday's game?
What's that got to do with transfers?
It has nothing to do with transfers to be fair, but it made me bloody laugh!
Do you think there's any possibility that the Club might announce or even unveil a new signing (or 2?!) tomorrow, in conjunction with Marco's first league game in charge?
Would love to see confirmation about Muniz and/or Grimes. Please...
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on August 07, 2021, 02:44:12 PM
Do you think there's any possibility that the Club might announce or even unveil a new signing (or 2?!) tomorrow, in conjunction with Marco's first league game in charge?
Would love to see confirmation about Muniz and/or Grimes. Please...
Since Grimes is starting for Swansea this afternoon, I'd consider that unlikely.
But Muniz isn't playing for Flamengo...
or 'Boro, for that matter.
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on August 07, 2021, 02:47:10 PM
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on August 07, 2021, 02:44:12 PM
Do you think there's any possibility that the Club might announce or even unveil a new signing (or 2?!) tomorrow, in conjunction with Marco's first league game in charge?
Would love to see confirmation about Muniz and/or Grimes. Please...
Since Grimes is starting for Swansea this afternoon, I'd consider that unlikely.
As he played the whole game any possible transfer to us is looking more remote.
If Anguissa plays 90 minutes for us tomorrow could we say his Roma move is also off.
Quote from: grandad on August 07, 2021, 05:06:45 PM
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on August 07, 2021, 02:47:10 PM
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on August 07, 2021, 02:44:12 PM
Do you think there's any possibility that the Club might announce or even unveil a new signing (or 2?!) tomorrow, in conjunction with Marco's first league game in charge?
Would love to see confirmation about Muniz and/or Grimes. Please...
Since Grimes is starting for Swansea this afternoon, I'd consider that unlikely.
As he played the whole game any possible transfer to us is looking more remote.
That's not really how it works, because A) he's their best midfielder so they need him to play if he's fit and B) they've got 0 depth in that position at the moment due to injuries and suspension so even if he was in the changing room pre game burning his Swansea training gear saying he hates the club, they're still going to play him
Quote from: filham on August 07, 2021, 05:20:34 PM
If Anguissa plays 90 minutes for us tomorrow could we say his Roma move is also off.
What Roma move? That league is starved for money.
I fully expect to see Messi in the Cottage stand
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 07, 2021, 09:44:07 PM
Quote from: filham on August 07, 2021, 05:20:34 PM
If Anguissa plays 90 minutes for us tomorrow could we say his Roma move is also off.
What Roma move? That league is starved for money.
I seriously doubt Mourinho would have gone there with no funds to spend.
Wow things have gone sooo quiet.
From the Mail online.
Fulham have hit a contract impasse with 18-year-old prodigy Fabio Carvalho amid interest from West Ham, Leeds, Norwich and Porto.
Carvalho, who scored on his Premier League debut against Southampton last season, has turned down an initial offer from The Londoners as he enters the final year of his current deal.
Fulham won't want to lose the teenage winger who was born in Portugal but moved to England at an early age and has come through the club's academy.
Adam Armstrong on his way from Blackburn to Southampton.
WSW anything you've heard about other than Muniz which seems to be a done deal?
Phil Spencer - Twitter:
« Middlesbrough among the clubs interested in a move for Brighton defender Leo Skiri Ostigard, according to @TEAMtalk.
Fulham, Stoke, Sheffield United, Bournemouth, Barnsley also keen.
#Boro #UTB»
A host of Championship clubs including the likes Sheffield United, Fulham, Bournemouth, Stoke City, Barnsley, Middlesbrough are all interested in making a loan move for Brighton's Leo Ostigard this summer, according to teamTALK.
Ostigard spent an impressive spell out on loan with Coventry City in the Championship last season where he managed to make 39 league appearances in which he registered two goals and helped the Sky Blues record 11 clean sheets as they survived the drop.
It was believed that Brighton might potentially be prepared to keep hold of him this summer and give him a chance of coming into their side in the Premier League.
However, according to this latest update from teamTALK, Graham Potter has now decided that it would be right for him to make another temporary move this season to continue his long-term development. It is believed that Coventry City are interested in securing a fresh loan deal with the Seagulls for the defender.
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 09, 2021, 11:19:34 AM
WSW anything you've heard about other than Muniz which seems to be a done deal?
Humour me, why are you asking him ?
Deal for Muniz sounds done pending a medical, think that leaves us needing two more bodies in.
1. a defensive centre mid who can replace Reed when he is injured/sit alongside him when trying to see a game out (Grimes, Hughes, Chalobah etc)
2. a more attacking/creative midfielder (O'Hare, Quina etc)
Quote from: Riversider on August 09, 2021, 12:08:55 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 09, 2021, 11:19:34 AM
WSW anything you've heard about other than Muniz which seems to be a done deal?
Humour me, why are you asking him ?
Because he's more ITK than most on here, I'm hardly going to ask you am I? I'd ask LVBPT but he's not posting on here any more sadly
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 09, 2021, 12:28:21 PM
Quote from: Riversider on August 09, 2021, 12:08:55 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 09, 2021, 11:19:34 AM
WSW anything you've heard about other than Muniz which seems to be a done deal?
Humour me, why are you asking him ?
Because he's more ITK than most on here, I'm hardly going to ask you am I? I'd ask LVBPT but he's not posting on here any more sadly
The club want 2 centre mids, and potentially another attacker, however, it is all dependent on Anguissa going. I've got some names but I can't post them on here currently. But I can assure you the club are currently actively looking at 4 CM's. 3 currently in the prem and 1 currently in the championship. Plus an attacking player that is in the prem too
So I take we are interested in Grimes , Hughes, Chalobah and Gray
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Quote from: Deeping_white on August 09, 2021, 11:19:34 AM
WSW anything you've heard about other than Muniz which seems to be a done deal?
Humour me, why are you asking him ?
Because he's more ITK than most on here, I'm hardly going to ask you am I? I'd ask LVBPT but he's not posting on here any more sadly
The club want 2 centre mids, and potentially another attacker, however, it is all dependent on Anguissa going. I've got some names but I can't post them on here currently. But I can assure you the club are currently actively looking at 4 CM's. 3 currently in the prem and 1 currently in the championship. Plus an attacking player that is in the prem too
Sounds like there's a plan this year - sounds like manager being listened to more this year
Why would Will Hughes and Chalobah leave promoted PL Watford to come here to play in the Champ? They just spent a season gtetting out of here. Will Hughes reportedly on £50k per week and imagine Chalobah will also be on a fair wedge. Regardless of what their relationship is like with Silva I can't see either coming here.
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Quote from: Deeping_white on August 09, 2021, 12:28:21 PM
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Quote from: Deeping_white on August 09, 2021, 11:19:34 AM
WSW anything you've heard about other than Muniz which seems to be a done deal?
Humour me, why are you asking him ?
Because he's more ITK than most on here, I'm hardly going to ask you am I? I'd ask LVBPT but he's not posting on here any more sadly
The club want 2 centre mids, and potentially another attacker, however, it is all dependent on Anguissa going. I've got some names but I can't post them on here currently. But I can assure you the club are currently actively looking at 4 CM's. 3 currently in the prem and 1 currently in the championship. Plus an attacking player that is in the prem too
The players we're looking at, do we know if they're likely to be allowed to leave by their clubs or if the clubs are likely to want to keep them.
Quote from: Count Flapula on August 09, 2021, 01:44:18 PM
Why would Will Hughes and Chalobah leave promoted PL Watford to come here to play in the Champ? They just spent a season gtetting out of here. Will Hughes reportedly on £50k per week and imagine Chalobah will also be on a fair wedge. Regardless of what their relationship is like with Silva I can't see either coming here.
I tend to agree. However, Watford do have a few centre mid's on their books and have brought in Louza for £9m, so maybe they are happy for one of the two to leave in order to balance the books?
Quote from: simplyfulham on August 09, 2021, 01:46:32 PM
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Quote from: Deeping_white on August 09, 2021, 12:28:21 PM
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Quote from: Deeping_white on August 09, 2021, 11:19:34 AM
WSW anything you've heard about other than Muniz which seems to be a done deal?
Humour me, why are you asking him ?
Because he's more ITK than most on here, I'm hardly going to ask you am I? I'd ask LVBPT but he's not posting on here any more sadly
The club want 2 centre mids, and potentially another attacker, however, it is all dependent on Anguissa going. I've got some names but I can't post them on here currently. But I can assure you the club are currently actively looking at 4 CM's. 3 currently in the prem and 1 currently in the championship. Plus an attacking player that is in the prem too
The players we're looking at, do we know if they're likely to be allowed to leave by their clubs or if the clubs are likely to want to keep them.
They are all realistic possiblities. Majority of which are also going into the last year of their contracts
Quote from: HobGoblin on August 09, 2021, 11:56:36 AM
A host of Championship clubs including the likes Sheffield United, Fulham, Bournemouth, Stoke City, Barnsley, Middlesbrough are all interested in making a loan move for Brighton's Leo Ostigard this summer, according to teamTALK.
Ostigard spent an impressive spell out on loan with Coventry City in the Championship last season where he managed to make 39 league appearances in which he registered two goals and helped the Sky Blues record 11 clean sheets as they survived the drop.
It was believed that Brighton might potentially be prepared to keep hold of him this summer and give him a chance of coming into their side in the Premier League.
However, according to this latest update from teamTALK, Graham Potter has now decided that it would be right for him to make another temporary move this season to continue his long-term development. It is believed that Coventry City are interested in securing a fresh loan deal with the Seagulls for the defender.
Can't see this happening unless we're selling 1 or 2 of Hector or Mawson.
Perhaps then it may pave the way given he's a younger prospect maybe it's with a view to trying to form a partnership with Tosin, either way...not really what we need right now
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Quote from: HobGoblin on August 09, 2021, 11:56:36 AM
A host of Championship clubs including the likes Sheffield United, Fulham, Bournemouth, Stoke City, Barnsley, Middlesbrough are all interested in making a loan move for Brighton's Leo Ostigard this summer, according to teamTALK.
Ostigard spent an impressive spell out on loan with Coventry City in the Championship last season where he managed to make 39 league appearances in which he registered two goals and helped the Sky Blues record 11 clean sheets as they survived the drop.
It was believed that Brighton might potentially be prepared to keep hold of him this summer and give him a chance of coming into their side in the Premier League.
However, according to this latest update from teamTALK, Graham Potter has now decided that it would be right for him to make another temporary move this season to continue his long-term development. It is believed that Coventry City are interested in securing a fresh loan deal with the Seagulls for the defender.
Can't see this happening unless we're selling 1 or 2 of Hector or Mawson.
Perhaps then it may pave the way given he's a younger prospect maybe it's with a view to trying to form a partnership with Tosin, either way...not really what we need right now
He's having a medical with Stoke this afternoon so I think we can rule this one out.
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Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 09, 2021, 01:32:25 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 09, 2021, 12:28:21 PM
Quote from: Riversider on August 09, 2021, 12:08:55 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 09, 2021, 11:19:34 AM
WSW anything you've heard about other than Muniz which seems to be a done deal?
Humour me, why are you asking him ?
Because he's more ITK than most on here, I'm hardly going to ask you am I? I'd ask LVBPT but he's not posting on here any more sadly
The club want 2 centre mids, and potentially another attacker, however, it is all dependent on Anguissa going. I've got some names but I can't post them on here currently. But I can assure you the club are currently actively looking at 4 CM's. 3 currently in the prem and 1 currently in the championship. Plus an attacking player that is in the prem too
What's a Centre Mid? Is it the same as a Centre-half? Or does it include wing-halves? 😕😇
WSW I am aware that the muniz deal is close to completion but
do you have anything to add on that. i.e when can we expect confirmation.
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 09, 2021, 01:55:56 PM
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Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 09, 2021, 01:32:25 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 09, 2021, 12:28:21 PM
Quote from: Riversider on August 09, 2021, 12:08:55 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 09, 2021, 11:19:34 AM
WSW anything you've heard about other than Muniz which seems to be a done deal?
Humour me, why are you asking him ?
Because he's more ITK than most on here, I'm hardly going to ask you am I? I'd ask LVBPT but he's not posting on here any more sadly
The club want 2 centre mids, and potentially another attacker, however, it is all dependent on Anguissa going. I've got some names but I can't post them on here currently. But I can assure you the club are currently actively looking at 4 CM's. 3 currently in the prem and 1 currently in the championship. Plus an attacking player that is in the prem too
The players we're looking at, do we know if they're likely to be allowed to leave by their clubs or if the clubs are likely to want to keep them.
They are all realistic possiblities. Majority of which are also going into the last year of their contracts
Why can't you post the names?
Quote from: ken 44 on August 09, 2021, 05:26:29 PM
WSW I am aware that the muniz deal is close to completion but
do you have anything to add on that. i.e when can we expect confirmation.
Don't know what it means, but it may interest you and others to know that Muniz is now following the club on social media officially. Well Instagram.
Quote from: General on August 09, 2021, 07:03:50 PM
Quote from: ken 44 on August 09, 2021, 05:26:29 PM
WSW I am aware that the muniz deal is close to completion but
do you have anything to add on that. i.e when can we expect confirmation.
Don't know what it means, but it may interest you and others to know that Muniz is now following the club on social media officially. Well Instagram.
Usually a good sign. If this is the case I would expect this to be confirmed tomorrow afternoon
Lukaku currently on a plane to England to complete his move to Chelsea, I would love to see us make a move for their young striker Ike Ugbo, excellent strike rate the last couple of seasons, think we need three strikers to cover all eventualities, especially with Mitrovic looking so far off the pace.
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Quote from: Deeping_white on August 09, 2021, 11:19:34 AM
WSW anything you've heard about other than Muniz which seems to be a done deal?
Humour me, why are you asking him ?
Because he's more ITK than most on here, I'm hardly going to ask you am I? I'd ask LVBPT but he's not posting on here any more sadly
The club want 2 centre mids, and potentially another attacker, however, it is all dependent on Anguissa going. I've got some names but I can't post them on here currently. But I can assure you the club are currently actively looking at 4 CM's. 3 currently in the prem and 1 currently in the championship. Plus an attacking player that is in the prem too
The players we're looking at, do we know if they're likely to be allowed to leave by their clubs or if the clubs are likely to want to keep them.
They are all realistic possiblities. Majority of which are also going into the last year of their contracts
Why can't you post the names?
Because I've been asked not to by my mate at the current time. A couple of the players we haven't been linked to in the media yet, so the club want to keep it that way. As for Muniz, as far as I am aware it is done and should be an announcement sometime this week
Well if we're talking about Prem centre mids and fwds in the final year of their contracts, I hope it's Will Hughes, Chalobah, Calum Chambers and Divok Origi. The Longstaff brothers from Newcastle could also do a job and might be tempted to head South for opportunities.
I think we were also in for Amartey before, who's now also in the last year of his deal with Leicester
Quote from: Craven Mad on August 09, 2021, 08:38:58 PM
Well if we're talking about Prem centre mids and fwds in the final year of their contracts, I hope it's Will Hughes, Chalobah, Calum Chambers and Divok Origi. The Longstaff brothers from Newcastle could also do a job and might be tempted to head South for opportunities.
I think we were also in for Amartey before, who's now also in the last year of his deal with Leicester
I was hoping Silva would have his own target snot old ones we have been linked too before such as Amartey. He does tie into what's been said but hopefully there are others too that much the adore mentioned criteria
Quote from: junior white on August 09, 2021, 09:20:07 PM
Quote from: Craven Mad on August 09, 2021, 08:38:58 PM
Well if we're talking about Prem centre mids and fwds in the final year of their contracts, I hope it's Will Hughes, Chalobah, Calum Chambers and Divok Origi. The Longstaff brothers from Newcastle could also do a job and might be tempted to head South for opportunities.
I think we were also in for Amartey before, who's now also in the last year of his deal with Leicester
I was hoping Silva would have his own target snot old ones we have been linked too before such as Amartey. He does tie into what's been said but hopefully there are others too that much the adore mentioned criteria
All of the targets are Silva picks
Muniz has retweeted a tweet linked to a photo of him signing autographs and the fan talking about "flying well", that tweet was linked to one quoting vene Casagrande who's the reliable journo who's been across this saying its a done deal.
Assume he's on a flight heading to England now then.
https://twitter.com/RbtremVL/status/1423773917873942535?s=19
Yep, that pretty much confirms it for me. He's definitely coming here, hopefully he comes in and does well. Coming from such a hot climate, it might take him a few months to adjust, but if he does have quality it will certainly shine through.
Also, Mitrovic is a top class championship player, he will score goals this season, almost embarrassing he's being written off. I still maintain he can score 10+ goals in the PL with a team built around him (not that I think we should necessarily do that if we go up).
The point is, we will finally had some strength in depth in the final third.
Quote from: General on August 09, 2021, 10:48:00 PM
https://twitter.com/RbtremVL/status/1423773917873942535?s=19
The parent tweet is translated as:
QuoteThe sale of Rodrigo Muniz to Fulham was cause for celebration among the board of directors of #Flamengo .
Hopefully a bad translation!
Quote from: MikeTheCubed on August 09, 2021, 11:23:18 PM
The parent tweet is translated as:
QuoteThe sale of Rodrigo Muniz to Fulham was cause for celebration among the board of directors of #Flamengo .
Hopefully a bad translation!
The following paragraph explains why.
QuoteThe directors managed to value an athlete, which, despite being promising, was the third offensive option at Rubro-Negro.
He is behind Pedro and Gabriel Barbosa in the pecking order and they're getting a decent fee for him.
Quote from: Tabby on August 09, 2021, 11:35:50 PM
Quote from: MikeTheCubed on August 09, 2021, 11:23:18 PM
The parent tweet is translated as:
QuoteThe sale of Rodrigo Muniz to Fulham was cause for celebration among the board of directors of #Flamengo .
Hopefully a bad translation!
The following paragraph explains why.
QuoteThe directors managed to value an athlete, which, despite being promising, was the third offensive option at Rubro-Negro.
He is behind Pedro and Gabriel Barbosa in the pecking order and they're getting a decent fee for him.
If it's a 20 year old Brazilian striker on a five year deal for 6m... we've done bloody well, far better than previous acquisitions. Promise, a good national pedigree, years on contract, and a steal that price assuming he performs well enough.
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 09, 2021, 09:49:43 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 09, 2021, 09:20:07 PM
Quote from: Craven Mad on August 09, 2021, 08:38:58 PM
Well if we're talking about Prem centre mids and fwds in the final year of their contracts, I hope it's Will Hughes, Chalobah, Calum Chambers and Divok Origi. The Longstaff brothers from Newcastle could also do a job and might be tempted to head South for opportunities.
I think we were also in for Amartey before, who's now also in the last year of his deal with Leicester
I was hoping Silva would have his own target snot old ones we have been linked too before such as Amartey. He does tie into what's been said but hopefully there are others too that much the adore mentioned criteria
All of the targets are Silva picks
Thats fair enough if Amartey is one he has the same target as we have been linked too in the last few windows.
I am assuming one maybe Andre Gray as well for some reason, dunno why just keeps coming back into my head
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Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 09, 2021, 09:49:43 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 09, 2021, 09:20:07 PM
Quote from: Craven Mad on August 09, 2021, 08:38:58 PM
Well if we're talking about Prem centre mids and fwds in the final year of their contracts, I hope it's Will Hughes, Chalobah, Calum Chambers and Divok Origi. The Longstaff brothers from Newcastle could also do a job and might be tempted to head South for opportunities.
I think we were also in for Amartey before, who's now also in the last year of his deal with Leicester
I was hoping Silva would have his own target snot old ones we have been linked too before such as Amartey. He does tie into what's been said but hopefully there are others too that much the adore mentioned criteria
All of the targets are Silva picks
Thats fair enough if Amartey is one he has the same target as we have been linked too in the last few windows.
I am assuming one maybe Andre Gray as well for some reason, dunno why just keeps coming back into my head
Andre Gray and Amartey are not targets currently
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Quote from: junior white on August 09, 2021, 09:20:07 PM
Quote from: Craven Mad on August 09, 2021, 08:38:58 PM
Well if we're talking about Prem centre mids and fwds in the final year of their contracts, I hope it's Will Hughes, Chalobah, Calum Chambers and Divok Origi. The Longstaff brothers from Newcastle could also do a job and might be tempted to head South for opportunities.
I think we were also in for Amartey before, who's now also in the last year of his deal with Leicester
I was hoping Silva would have his own target snot old ones we have been linked too before such as Amartey. He does tie into what's been said but hopefully there are others too that much the adore mentioned criteria
All of the targets are Silva picks
Thats fair enough if Amartey is one he has the same target as we have been linked too in the last few windows.
I am assuming one maybe Andre Gray as well for some reason, dunno why just keeps coming back into my head
Andre Gray and Amartey are not targets currently
No but quina at Watford is
I see swansea have signed a midfielder from Ipswich ,I wonder does that move the supposedly grimes deal nearer to completion
Still can't see the likes of Chalobah and Will Hughes coming here even if we are targeting them.
Would be delighted to be proved wrong as both/either would be very good for us but for reasons previously highlighted (wages / dropping down a League again just after getting back to Prem) I cant see them moving here.
Quote from: General on August 09, 2021, 10:46:16 PM
Muniz has retweeted a tweet linked to a photo of him signing autographs and the fan talking about "flying well", that tweet was linked to one quoting vene Casagrande who's the reliable journo who's been across this saying its a done deal.
Assume he's on a flight heading to England now then.
My Brazillian wife has confirmed that the actual meaning of the message is as follows:
'As you are such a humble human being, fly high - you deserve'
So, the message is not literally wishing Muniz a good flight! But it does seems to be saying good luck, as if he is leaving and on the way somewhere (to Fulham...)
Could Grimes be signing somewhere soon...
Swansea have just announced the signing of central midfielder Flynn Downes and have recently signed another central midfielder in Jamie Paterson.
Roma supposedly talking to Abraham for 43 mill. Guess frank won't be going there, although ACMilan may be interested
No but quina at Watford is
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I really hope so, he looks comfortable at both ends of the pitch.
Where has the Quina rumour come from? Remember us linked a couple of years ago
If there is any truth in the Quina rumour:
Personal information:
Full name: Domingos Quina
Date of birth: 18 November 1999 (age 21)
Place of birth: Bissau, Guinea-Bissau
Height: 1.77 m (5 ft 10 in)
Position(s): Central midfielder
Attacking midfielder
Represented Portugal at U17 to U21 level. Would appear a good acquisition & an attacking midfielder would be useful, well known to MS.
You can't play Quina in the same side as Carvalho, so then what happens ?
Quote from: Riversider on August 10, 2021, 02:16:39 PM
You can't play Quina in the same side as Carvalho, so then what happens ?
We'll need more than Carvalho all season with Cairney not looking like he'll be fit at all.
Quote from: Riversider on August 10, 2021, 02:16:39 PM
You can't play Quina in the same side as Carvalho, so then what happens ?
Quina is more of an 8. Will replace Anguissa
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 10, 2021, 02:36:29 PM
Quote from: Riversider on August 10, 2021, 02:16:39 PM
You can't play Quina in the same side as Carvalho, so then what happens ?
Quina is more of an 8. Will replace Anguissa
So your confirming he is one of the names, a sin one of those you wouldnt confirm?
If so he wouldn't be a bad signing, seems quite a decent player
Quote from: Riversider on August 10, 2021, 02:16:39 PM
You can't play Quina in the same side as Carvalho, so then what happens ?
Carvalho is 18, we can't just rely on an 18 year old all season if we want top 2. Besides he's the only attacking midfielder we've got since Cairney is injured so we need to sign another one
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 10, 2021, 03:07:06 PM
Quote from: Riversider on August 10, 2021, 02:16:39 PM
You can't play Quina in the same side as Carvalho, so then what happens ?
Carvalho is 18, we can't just rely on an 18 year old all season if we want top 2. Besides he's the only attacking midfielder we've got since Cairney is injured so we need to sign another one
Agreed
Carvahlo s a great young player ,but young players bt nature are up and down ,you cant really expect anything else. So I agree we need strngthening in the offensive midfield role
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Quote from: Deeping_white on August 10, 2021, 03:07:06 PM
Quote from: Riversider on August 10, 2021, 02:16:39 PM
You can't play Quina in the same side as Carvalho, so then what happens ?
Carvalho is 18, we can't just rely on an 18 year old all season if we want top 2. Besides he's the only attacking midfielder we've got since Cairney is injured so we need to sign another one
Agreed
+2
I don't think I'll ever fully understand the argument that we should not sign good players in case one of the youngsters doesn't get game time. If the youngster is good enough, he'll start anyway and we have very good back up in case he gets injured. Specifically on this occasion, I'm not sure why we're bending over backwards trying to protect a player who hasn't signed up long term either yet.
I think you are all missing my point on Carvalho, I agree I think the time for Carvalho and Francois is in the future and not now, I think they should both be drip fed into the side and not thrown in to the deep end as they were on Sunday, but I can almost guarantee that they see things differently, Carvalho is currently in dispute with the club over his contract, signing a better player for his position and then "resting" him will lead to problems as sure as eggs are eggs.
Quote from: Riversider on August 10, 2021, 05:36:29 PM
I think you are all missing my point on Carvalho, I agree I think the time for Carvalho and Francois is in the future and not now, I think they should both be drip fed into the side and not thrown in to the deep end as they were on Sunday, but I can almost guarantee that they see things differently, Carvalho is currently in dispute with the club over his contract, signing a better player for his position and then "resting" him will lead to problems as sure as eggs are eggs.
Regardless of age, if he's good enough, he'll play.
In your scenario, why wouldn't we sign a 'better' player?
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 10, 2021, 05:32:25 PM
I don't think I'll ever fully understand the argument that we should not sign good players in case one of the youngsters doesn't get game time. If the youngster is good enough, he'll start anyway and we have very good back up in case he gets injured. Specifically on this occasion, I'm not sure why we're bending over backwards trying to protect a player who hasn't signed up long term either yet.
Agreed. I remember the days when the fans wanted the strongest squad possible and that was the most important factor as it ties to results. Secondary was if a player was good enough then they'd earn the right to play in the team against competition, but we essentially wouldn't compromise our results or league status as a result.
Bring in better players or more proven players, if the youngsters prove themselves to adapt to the better quality and push on and prove themselves to be better than they'll get their chances.
About three weeks to go until window closing day and really we have a couple more signings to make.
To me it is beginning to look as if again we may have to wait until the final day when TK will spring into action to pick up his bargain basement buys that have been rejected by others.
Kamara is off to Greece. Jay Stansfield to go on loan as soon as Muniz as in and available. We made an enquiry for a premier league midfielder today
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 10, 2021, 07:01:48 PM
Kamara is off to Greece. Jay Stansfield to go on loan as soon as Muniz as in and available. We made an enquiry for a premier league midfielder today
Hmm bit disappointed with Jay going on loan, I think he is the best we have in the academy, the new sniffer Clarke, plays very much like he did. You heard it here first.
And good luck Abou, just didn't work out for you mate.
Kamara is reporting as done on Twitter, 3.5 million euros to Thessaloniki.
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 10, 2021, 07:01:48 PM
Kamara is off to Greece. Jay Stansfield to go on loan as soon as Muniz as in and available. We made an enquiry for a premier league midfielder today
Heard it was Tom Davies at Everton as a bit of a makeweight for anguissa
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Quote from: Danitar on August 10, 2021, 07:29:49 PM
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Kamara is off to Greece. Jay Stansfield to go on loan as soon as Muniz as in and available. We made an enquiry for a premier league midfielder today
Heard it was Tom Davies at Everton as a bit of a makeweight for anguissa
Silva does like Tom Davies but I understand Davies doesn't want to drop down to the championship yet. He's not the player we've enquired about today though
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 10, 2021, 07:01:48 PM
Kamara is off to Greece. Jay Stansfield to go on loan as soon as Muniz as in and available. We made an enquiry for a premier league midfielder today
Are we signing 2 forwards if Jay's being loaned out and AK signed.
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 10, 2021, 07:31:14 PM
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Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 10, 2021, 07:01:48 PM
Kamara is off to Greece. Jay Stansfield to go on loan as soon as Muniz as in and available. We made an enquiry for a premier league midfielder today
Heard it was Tom Davies at Everton as a bit of a makeweight for anguissa
Silva does like Tom Davies but I understand Davies doesn't want to drop down to the championship yet. He's not the player we've enquired about today though
Interesting 🤔. I heard chalobah also, whether that was the one?
Quote from: bobby01 on August 10, 2021, 07:15:36 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 10, 2021, 07:01:48 PM
Kamara is off to Greece. Jay Stansfield to go on loan as soon as Muniz as in and available. We made an enquiry for a premier league midfielder today
Hmm bit disappointed with Jay going on loan, I think he is the best we have in the academy, the new sniffer Clarke, plays very much like he did. You heard it here first.
And good luck Abou, just didn't work out for you mate.
Understand where your coming from regarding Stansfield but he is unproven, probably not going to get many minutes for us so a loan option is a good move for all parties. At least we'll get an idea if he can step up and Stansfield gets to play competitive men's football.
Quote from: Blawarmy on August 10, 2021, 07:32:42 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 10, 2021, 07:01:48 PM
Kamara is off to Greece. Jay Stansfield to go on loan as soon as Muniz as in and available. We made an enquiry for a premier league midfielder today
Are we signing 2 forwards if Jay's being loaned out and AK signed.
Doubt it as Reid can play up top if needed or out wide
Quote from: Danitar on August 10, 2021, 07:36:55 PM
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Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 10, 2021, 07:01:48 PM
Kamara is off to Greece. Jay Stansfield to go on loan as soon as Muniz as in and available. We made an enquiry for a premier league midfielder today
Heard it was Tom Davies at Everton as a bit of a makeweight for anguissa
Silva does like Tom Davies but I understand Davies doesn't want to drop down to the championship yet. He's not the player we've enquired about today though
Interesting 🤔. I heard chalobah also, whether that was the one?
I couldn't possibly say....😉
Quote from: Blawarmy on August 10, 2021, 07:32:42 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 10, 2021, 07:01:48 PM
Kamara is off to Greece. Jay Stansfield to go on loan as soon as Muniz as in and available. We made an enquiry for a premier league midfielder today
Are we signing 2 forwards if Jay's being loaned out and AK signed.
No I doubt we will sign 2 strikers. Only Muniz
Which Chalobah is this? Watford one?
Quote from: JoeS on August 10, 2021, 07:41:53 PM
Which Chalobah is this? Watford one?
Yeah, Nathanial. His brother is seen as a huge asset to Chelsea and is more likely, it seems, to be headed to Valencia on loan.
Silva seems waaaaay more involved in transfers than Parker and Jok were. Might just be the club trusts him more or maybe TK has handed the manager more power.
Literally everyone we're linked with is clearly a Silva decision
According to Foot Mercato Napoli assessing a possible move for Seri
Chalobah started his career with us too
Quote from: Caedal on August 10, 2021, 08:08:38 PM
Silva seems waaaaay more involved in transfers than Parker and Jok were. Might just be the club trusts him more or maybe TK has handed the manager more power.
Literally everyone we're linked with is clearly a Silva decision
Let's not forget Silva was a DOF before he was a manager! But yes Silva getting a big say in all recruitment
Wilson was very clear in his interview that the lengthy telephone conversation he had with Marco Silva was the deciding factor in his decision to choose to move to Fulham. It seems that a phone conversation (in Portuguese) that Silva had with Muniz also had a similar effect.
So he would appear to be very involved in recruitment....
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Quote from: Danitar on August 10, 2021, 07:36:55 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 10, 2021, 07:31:14 PM
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Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 10, 2021, 07:01:48 PM
Kamara is off to Greece. Jay Stansfield to go on loan as soon as Muniz as in and available. We made an enquiry for a premier league midfielder today
Heard it was Tom Davies at Everton as a bit of a makeweight for anguissa
Silva does like Tom Davies but I understand Davies doesn't want to drop down to the championship yet. He's not the player we've enquired about today though
Interesting 🤔. I heard chalobah also, whether that was the one?
I couldn't possibly say....😉
👍🏻😂
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on August 10, 2021, 08:35:33 PM
Wilson was very clear in his interview that the lengthy telephone conversation he had with Marco Silva was the deciding factor in his decision to choose to move to Fulham. It seems that a phone conversation (in Portuguese) that Silva had with Muniz also had a similar effect.
So he would appear to be very involved in recruitment....
Granted, Parker was calling Areola like a lovesick teen from reports, so not sure how much has changed.
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on August 10, 2021, 08:35:33 PM
Wilson was very clear in his interview that the lengthy telephone conversation he had with Marco Silva was the deciding factor in his decision to choose to move to Fulham. It seems that a phone conversation (in Portuguese) that Silva had with Muniz also had a similar effect.
So he would appear to be very involved in recruitment....
Good, I don't think we've had a coach/manager that's been able to recruit players since maybe Jol
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on August 10, 2021, 08:35:33 PM
Wilson was very clear in his interview that the lengthy telephone conversation he had with Marco Silva was the deciding factor in his decision to choose to move to Fulham. It seems that a phone conversation (in Portuguese) that Silva had with Muniz also had a similar effect.
So he would appear to be very involved in recruitment....
I think every player, ever, has said that about every manager, ever
Nonetheless I do agree the moves we're rumoured to be making sound like they're driven by Silva, and it would make sense if TK had stepped back a bit now to, er, focus on his wrestling
AK47 gone for €3.5m to Aris Salonika,
Hopefully we've got the money for Grimes now
With the Muniz deal apparently done and AK apparently out, I guess the focus is now on midfield.
I'm presuming Anguisse and Seri are going, so I would personally like either of Will Hughes or Tom Davies to come in, both are decent players capable of making the step up to the PL, and I think either would complement Reed well.
I still feel like we need another wide forward, not sure who is available though.
Quote from: Riversider on August 10, 2021, 09:22:18 PM
AK47 gone for €3.5m to Aris Salonika,
Hopefully we've got the money for Grimes now
That's the best deal we will get for him. Hopefully it's a done deal to sell AK
Quote from: Tabby on August 10, 2021, 08:46:00 PM
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on August 10, 2021, 08:35:33 PM
Wilson was very clear in his interview that the lengthy telephone conversation he had with Marco Silva was the deciding factor in his decision to choose to move to Fulham. It seems that a phone conversation (in Portuguese) that Silva had with Muniz also had a similar effect.
So he would appear to be very involved in recruitment....
Granted, Parker was calling Areola like a lovesick teen from reports, so not sure how much has changed.
One thing I noticed on a couple of arrivals last year when they got interviewed is that they said they had a good chat with the manager and then there seemed to be some slips where the players or someone at the club let on unintentionally that they hadn't really spoken much to Parker. Found it particularly odd at the time and it stuck.
Why would Chalobah be available? Didn't he play pretty regularly last year for them? Surprised they'd be willing to let him go, I gather he's fairly well liked there?
Is it a loan or permanent?
Also....
Would LOVE quina on loan presuming he's not available on permanent, as an extra CM looks an exciting prospect although would be potentially damaging the growth of Fab whilst developing a player for another team if there was no chance of making it perm.
Him and Chalobah would be great if indeed available. That + Muniz + a LW and I make that job done!
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on August 10, 2021, 10:49:05 PM
Quote from: Riversider on August 10, 2021, 09:22:18 PM
AK47 gone for €3.5m to Aris Salonika,
Hopefully we've got the money for Grimes now
That's the best deal we will get for him. Hopefully it's a done deal to sell AK
Quote from: Riversider on August 10, 2021, 09:22:18 PM
AK47 gone for €3.5m to Aris Salonika,
Hopefully we've got the money for Grimes now
If the figure is true, that is about a 2 million profit with the sale for accounting purposes. While deals are not done in a vaccuum, that figure could be enough to cover both the Muniz and Grimes sales this season (salaries not included) if the 10 million combined purchase is correct.
Quote from: jayffc on August 10, 2021, 11:37:39 PM
Also....
Would LOVE quina on loan presuming he's not available on permanent, as an extra CM looks an exciting prospect although would be potentially damaging the growth of Fab whilst developing a player for another team if there was no chance of making it perm.
Him and Chalobah would be great if indeed available. That + Muniz + a LW and I make that job done!
There would be absolutely zero complaints from me!
Either Chalobah or Davies would be great signings but I don't see why they would come here? Both clearly premier league level.
I would say Wilson is Premier League level and yet we won the race to get him. Maybe we can pull off getting Chalobah or Davies. It's essential we get players of this quality so next year if we get promoted, the rebuilding isn't has dramatic as previous seasons.
Quote from: Tom_FFC on August 11, 2021, 07:59:33 AM
I would say Wilson is Premier League level and yet we won the race to get him. Maybe we can pull off getting Chalobah or Davies. It's essential we get players of this quality so next year if we get promoted, the rebuilding isn't has dramatic as previous seasons.
Even if we would have 11 players as good as Harry Wilson, one in each position, we would need some good reserves and a low injury rate to stay up in the premier league.
We haven't seen whether Harry Wilson is any better than Andre Schullre, as both would have demolished Middlesbough. We should get automatic promotion this season, but we are very very far from premier league material at the moment.
Muniz having a medical today in Brazil and then will complete the deal before flying over. The delay was Flamengo wanting to make sure he had fully recovered and would pass a medical. Should be announced this week. They will complete the deal in Brazil because he will have to quarantine on arrival in the UK
Fingers crossed...
Thanks for the update, WSW.
Considering it's likely to be a 5 year deal, I realize that the week or 2 of delay is relatively minor, but it's frustrating and feels like an eternity
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 11, 2021, 08:12:06 AM
Quote from: Tom_FFC on August 11, 2021, 07:59:33 AM
I would say Wilson is Premier League level and yet we won the race to get him. Maybe we can pull off getting Chalobah or Davies. It's essential we get players of this quality so next year if we get promoted, the rebuilding isn't has dramatic as previous seasons.
Even if we would have 11 players as good as Harry Wilson, one in each position, we would need some good reserves and a low injury rate to stay up in the premier league.
We haven't seen whether Harry Wilson is any better than Andre Schullre, as both would have demolished Middlesbough. We should get automatic promotion this season, but we are very very far from premier league material at the moment.
He scores a goal or has a goal involvement every 156 minutes I saw somewhere. Not sure how accurate that is as he didn't do that well at Bournemouth and if he was that productive for them he'd have been one of the premierships stand out performers last season or the one before
Maybe a controversial opinion, but we may not need another winger, unless one of them leaves the club.
If we strengthen in the middle of the park, when Cairney comes back Carvalho will go to LW.
Then we have Carvalho Mitro Wilson (Cav / Knock as backups)
Quote from: General on August 11, 2021, 09:36:47 AM
He scores a goal or has a goal involvement every 156 minutes I saw somewhere. Not sure how accurate that is as he didn't do that well at Bournemouth and if he was that productive for them he'd have been one of the premierships stand out performers last season or the one before
Not far off. The latest on his career from www.whoscored.com is:
Played 9598 mins. 41 goals 18 assists. So every 163 mins. Artistic impression is always nice, but hard to argue with productivity. And in this league specifically, it's a goal or assist every 150 mins (Mitro at this level: 153 mins).
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on August 11, 2021, 09:35:06 AM
Fingers crossed...
Thanks for the update, WSW.
Considering it's likely to be a 5 year deal, I realize that the week or 2 of delay is relatively minor, but it's frustrating and feels like an eternity
+1
Quote from: Bronaldinho on August 11, 2021, 09:46:33 AM
Maybe a controversial opinion, but we may not need another winger, unless one of them leaves the club.
If we strengthen in the middle of the park, when Cairney comes back Carvalho will go to LW.
Then we have Carvalho Mitro Wilson (Cav / Knock as backups)
I agree with this as we play inverted wingers with overlapping fullbacks and Carvalho, Wilson and BDR can work this system well.
On another subject, the guys with the crazy outfits from last season are now history. Lemina, Anguissa, AK47 only leaves Kebano who seems like the ultimate survivor.
Quote from: FulhamStu on August 11, 2021, 10:06:10 AM
Quote from: Bronaldinho on August 11, 2021, 09:46:33 AM
Maybe a controversial opinion, but we may not need another winger, unless one of them leaves the club.
If we strengthen in the middle of the park, when Cairney comes back Carvalho will go to LW.
Then we have Carvalho Mitro Wilson (Cav / Knock as backups)
I agree with this as we play inverted wingers with overlapping fullbacks and Carvalho, Wilson and BDR can work this system well.
On another subject, the guys with the crazy outfits from last season are now history. Lemina, Anguissa, AK47 only leaves Kebano who seems like the ultimate survivor.
You forgot to mention Scott Parker.
Linked to Cameron Carter-Vickers (not the best source admittedly) but an interesting one.
Bournemouth fans were very impressed last season and want him back, would personally like this although not a priority (assuming MLM, Odoi and possibly one other e.g. Hector) are sold.
According to Football League World we are being considered as the next destination for Tottenham defender, Cameron Carter-Vickers. There article states that there has been contact from Celtic but we are at the front of the queue.
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Quote from: Tabby on August 11, 2021, 10:07:34 AM
Quote from: FulhamStu on August 11, 2021, 10:06:10 AM
Quote from: Bronaldinho on August 11, 2021, 09:46:33 AM
Maybe a controversial opinion, but we may not need another winger, unless one of them leaves the club.
If we strengthen in the middle of the park, when Cairney comes back Carvalho will go to LW.
Then we have Carvalho Mitro Wilson (Cav / Knock as backups)
I agree with this as we play inverted wingers with overlapping fullbacks and Carvalho, Wilson and BDR can work this system well.
On another subject, the guys with the crazy outfits from last season are now history. Lemina, Anguissa, AK47 only leaves Kebano who seems like the ultimate survivor.
You forgot to mention Scott Parker.
Tosin also dresses like a clown
In fairness even Cairney ain't far behind in his £800 sweathsirts and yellow lamborghini
CCV would be an excellent signing, and would be on the list of 'players who could step up to the Prem' if we got promoted.
We definitely could do with investment in other areas first, but I'd take him in a heartbeat if a good offer was on the table.
Quote from: MaxFFC on August 11, 2021, 10:33:05 AM
According to Football League World we are being considered as the next destination for Tottenham defender, Cameron Carter-Vickers. There article states that there has been contact from Celtic but we are at the front of the queue.
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Sadly that website for journalistic merit and content is amongst the very worst. Can guarantee that they have noone in the know or anyone verifying information there. More just copy and paste any story that's going and rarely substantiate why the articles have legs or their views.
Quote from: b+w geezer on August 11, 2021, 10:00:40 AM
Quote from: General on August 11, 2021, 09:36:47 AM
He scores a goal or has a goal involvement every 156 minutes I saw somewhere. Not sure how accurate that is as he didn't do that well at Bournemouth and if he was that productive for them he'd have been one of the premierships stand out performers last season or the one before
Not far off. The latest on his career from www.whoscored.com is:
Played 9598 mins. 41 goals 18 assists. So every 163 mins. Artistic impression is always nice, but hard to argue with productivity. And in this league specifically, it's a goal or assist every 150 mins (Mitro at this level: 153 mins).
Same as mitro? Blimey. That is good.
Just imagine if we got BDR, Mitro and Wilson all firing on all cylinders in this league. That lineup has the potential for 60 goals amongst the three of them at least. And probably closer to 80. That'd be quite the return.
BdR got 19 goals on the 17-18 season.
Quote from: General on August 11, 2021, 11:12:35 AM
Quote from: MaxFFC on August 11, 2021, 10:33:05 AM
According to Football League World we are being considered as the next destination for Tottenham defender, Cameron Carter-Vickers. There article states that there has been contact from Celtic but we are at the front of the queue.
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Sadly that website for journalistic merit and content is amongst the very worst. Can guarantee that they have noone in the know or anyone verifying information there. More just copy and paste any story that's going and rarely substantiate why the articles have legs or their views.
School holidays so their top journalist have more free time
No postings since this morning. Is the transfer window closed?.
He has been loaned out many times not sure he totally convince clubs to buy him.
Roma General Manager in London to discuss Tammy Abraham deal, but also to speak to Fulham about Anguissa, personally, I'm not sure they'll be able to pay what we want for Anguissa on top of Tammy but time will tell
Vene has said Fulham and Flamengo have exchanged documents and the deal is closer than ever
Was expecting more action ins and outs before this weekends Huddersfield game and the Wall a big test in midweek 2 difficult away fixtures with a pretty inexperienced but potentially very good midfield 3 asking a lot of those players imho.
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 11, 2021, 11:19:28 PM
Vene has said Fulham and Flamengo have exchanged documents and the deal is closer than ever
Not being pedantic at all, as I value your contributions to this thread, but would that be draft documents (perhaps English and Portuguese) to check agreement or signed documents (subject to medical)?
Quote from: AJW48361 on August 12, 2021, 08:40:19 AM
Was expecting more action ins and outs before this weekends Huddersfield game and the Wall a big test in midweek 2 difficult away fixtures with a pretty inexperienced but potentially very good midfield 3 asking a lot of those players imho.
Agreed however it's their chance for them to show what they can do so all the very best to them.
It's going to be a marathon not just a sprint, good cover & competition required in all positions.
What with AK47 medical today & strong interest in Seri & Anguissa are we actually getting to grips with dealing with the players who have never been a proper fit for Fulham?
If we have to clear this lot out before transfer deadline day then surely there will be new replacements before long?
Worrying as I am becoming positive & looking forward to this season - & beyond.
What could possibly go wrong?
I always had time for Anguissa, Seri and AK47 but somehow they never really fitted in at Fulham . It would be good to see them moved on to leave space for new faces.
Quote from: Craven Mad on August 11, 2021, 11:00:25 AM
CCV would be an excellent signing, and would be on the list of 'players who could step up to the Prem' if we got promoted.
We definitely could do with investment in other areas first, but I'd take him in a heartbeat if a good offer was on the table.
:plus one:
Reports this morning that Muniz going to Middlesbrough. What's changed.
Quote from: Holders on August 12, 2021, 08:55:07 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 11, 2021, 11:19:28 PM
Vene has said Fulham and Flamengo have exchanged documents and the deal is closer than ever
Not being pedantic at all, as I value your contributions to this thread, but would that be draft documents (perhaps English and Portuguese) to check agreement or signed documents (subject to medical)?
My source believes it is the latter. He believes there should be an announcement this week, however, I'll try and confirm
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 12, 2021, 09:38:48 AM
Quote from: Holders on August 12, 2021, 08:55:07 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 11, 2021, 11:19:28 PM
Vene has said Fulham and Flamengo have exchanged documents and the deal is closer than ever
Not being pedantic at all, as I value your contributions to this thread, but would that be draft documents (perhaps English and Portuguese) to check agreement or signed documents (subject to medical)?
My source believes it is the latter. He believes there should be an announcement this week, however, I'll try and confirm
Thank you.
Quote from: sarnian on August 12, 2021, 09:37:59 AM
Reports this morning that Muniz going to Middlesbrough. What's changed.
Probably just Di Marzio writing the wrong Championship club.
https://insidefutbol.com/2021/08/11/roma-eye-rodrigo-muniz-as-tammy-abraham-alternative-but-striker-claimed-to-be-close-to-middlesbrough/522867/
"Roma are eyeing Flamengo striker Rodrgio Muniz as a potential alternative to Chelsea's Tammy Abraham, but the Brazilian is claimed to be close to joining Middlesbrough"
Quote from: sarnian on August 12, 2021, 09:37:59 AM
Reports this morning that Muniz going to Middlesbrough. What's changed.
It's rubbish, Boro are not back in the race at all. Di Marzio seems to have got his clubs confused
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 12, 2021, 10:05:07 AM
Quote from: sarnian on August 12, 2021, 09:37:59 AM
Reports this morning that Muniz going to Middlesbrough. What's changed.
It's rubbish, Boro are not back in the race at all. Di Marzio seems to have got his clubs confused
To be fair the article says it is unclear if Borough have turned their fortunes around to get the player, but they are also under threat from Roma. Thats a worry for us. Would guess as well if it is true Roma are interested.
I would say they are splashing the cash Roma, where they have that cash from no one knows lol as it is said Italian clubs have no cash
Quote from: junior white on August 12, 2021, 10:16:18 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 12, 2021, 10:05:07 AM
Quote from: sarnian on August 12, 2021, 09:37:59 AM
Reports this morning that Muniz going to Middlesbrough. What's changed.
It's rubbish, Boro are not back in the race at all. Di Marzio seems to have got his clubs confused
To be fair the article says it is unclear if Borough have turned their fortunes around to get the player, but they are also under threat from Roma. Thats a worry for us. Would guess as well if it is true Roma are interested.
I would say they are splashing the cash Roma, where they have that cash from no one knows lol as it is said Italian clubs have no cash
I believe Roma want Tammy, Lacazette or Matheus Cunha. Muniz is back up option, however, I'm not worried at all at the moment. Deal is almost signed
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 12, 2021, 10:24:10 AM
Quote from: junior white on August 12, 2021, 10:16:18 AM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 12, 2021, 10:05:07 AM
Quote from: sarnian on August 12, 2021, 09:37:59 AM
Reports this morning that Muniz going to Middlesbrough. What's changed.
It's rubbish, Boro are not back in the race at all. Di Marzio seems to have got his clubs confused
To be fair the article says it is unclear if Borough have turned their fortunes around to get the player, but they are also under threat from Roma. Thats a worry for us. Would guess as well if it is true Roma are interested.
I would say they are splashing the cash Roma, where they have that cash from no one knows lol as it is said Italian clubs have no cash
I believe Roma want Tammy, Lacazette or Matheus Cunha. Muniz is back up option, however, I'm not worried at all at the moment. Deal is almost signed
Having supported this club since i was 6, i have seen a lot of singings that were pretty much done and then they go else where, one even announce don the website. So my optimism is always tempered until it is done
Lets hope John Arne Riise's mum doesn't get involved.
This Muniz stall stinks of his agent holding out for a better deal.
Quote from: Blawarmy on August 12, 2021, 12:46:50 PM
This Muniz stall stinks of his agent holding out for a better deal.
It could be completely innocent. He had covid - that's delayed what felt like a done deal by 10 days. He's moving continent, having his medical out there too. Then there was apparently a renegotiation of the deal from our side. If it happens it happens. If it doesn't then it is up to the club to be productive on multiple fronts to ensure its not a waste of time.
I personally get the quite strong and clear impression that the player actively wants to join us. - he follows fulham on Instagram now, he's tweeted and retweeted favourable stuff in regards to us being his team of choice or the deal being done.
Let's relax. There is nothing we can do. We're just feeding of scraps as ITKs on this site aren't sharing any clues clues Muniz and Grimes were the only two we've known about and Muniz has seems far along for a while now.
https://twitter.com/venecasagrande/status/1425574951961206789?s=21
No Reed in today's video so that someone like Grimes seems to be an essential signing
Quote from: I Ronic on August 12, 2021, 12:44:08 PM
Lets hope John Arne Riise's mum doesn't get involved.
😂🤣
Quote from: sarnian on August 12, 2021, 01:22:54 PM
No Reed in today's video so that someone like Grimes seems to be an essential signing
The club tweeted photos of him training yesterday
So just to re cap!
We signed a decent keeper and potential match winner early on in the window.
Now its widely accepted that the signing of a young Brazilian CF is in process and as long as he passes his medical he will be flying in asap.
The Matt Grimes situation seems to be a grinding to a halt?
Other clubs are interested and he doesn't seem in a hurry to sign for anyone.
Can we expect anyone to sign before the weekend?
Are there any other serious players of interest we may actually sign before the window closes?
If we can get Muniz over the line and another CM in, I'd be happy.
In an ideal world, an explosive pace merchant at LW as well but not too bothered considering the wingers we've got.
The deal is done. He will fly to Spain Over the weekend, he will carry out his quarantine there and then fly to the UK. I think that will avoid him having to hotel quarantine in England. I don't know how the logistics will work but he will fly to Spain, quarantine there and then fly to England
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 12, 2021, 04:25:55 PM
The deal is done. He will fly to Spain Over the weekend, he will carry out his quarantine there and then fly to the UK. I think that will avoid him having to hotel quarantine in England. I don't know how the logistics will work but he will fly to Spain, quarantine there and then fly to England
That's a relief WSW...understandably I think a few of us were casting our minds back to Reyna et al...I'm looking forward to seeing him play. If he & Mitro can hit it off I'd fancy we'll go far this year
Quote from: JimOG on August 12, 2021, 04:40:52 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 12, 2021, 04:25:55 PM
The deal is done. He will fly to Spain Over the weekend, he will carry out his quarantine there and then fly to the UK. I think that will avoid him having to hotel quarantine in England. I don't know how the logistics will work but he will fly to Spain, quarantine there and then fly to England
That's a relief WSW...understandably I think a few of us were casting our minds back to Reyna et al...I'm looking forward to seeing him play. If he & Mitro can hit it off I'd fancy we'll go far this year
Does anyone know if he could play in the same team as Mitro or whether he is more likely to be a contender for Miro's place?
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 12, 2021, 04:25:55 PM
The deal is done. He will fly to Spain Over the weekend, he will carry out his quarantine there and then fly to the UK. I think that will avoid him having to hotel quarantine in England. I don't know how the logistics will work but he will fly to Spain, quarantine there and then fly to England
Jeez you spend a lot of time on Twitter 😁
Quote from: F(f)CUK on August 12, 2021, 04:45:33 PM
Quote from: JimOG on August 12, 2021, 04:40:52 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 12, 2021, 04:25:55 PM
The deal is done. He will fly to Spain Over the weekend, he will carry out his quarantine there and then fly to the UK. I think that will avoid him having to hotel quarantine in England. I don't know how the logistics will work but he will fly to Spain, quarantine there and then fly to England
That's a relief WSW...understandably I think a few of us were casting our minds back to Reyna et al...I'm looking forward to seeing him play. If he & Mitro can hit it off I'd fancy we'll go far this year
Does anyone know if he could play in the same team as Mitro or whether he is more likely to be a contender for Miro's place?
I expect If he like Richardlison he can play Don the centre or on the wing, hopefully on the left so it would be muinz mitro and Wilson as a front free
Quote from: Riversider on August 12, 2021, 04:48:53 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 12, 2021, 04:25:55 PM
The deal is done. He will fly to Spain Over the weekend, he will carry out his quarantine there and then fly to the UK. I think that will avoid him having to hotel quarantine in England. I don't know how the logistics will work but he will fly to Spain, quarantine there and then fly to England
Jeez you spend a lot of time on Twitter 😁
Yep, don't mean to have a dig but as I said before, if you're going to give some ITK info then, if only to maintain your own credibility, you should differentiate the ITK stuff from stuff like this which is clearly just a regurgitation (almost word for word) of current Twitter rumours
Quote from: Nero on August 12, 2021, 05:01:05 PM
Quote from: F(f)CUK on August 12, 2021, 04:45:33 PM
Quote from: JimOG on August 12, 2021, 04:40:52 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 12, 2021, 04:25:55 PM
The deal is done. He will fly to Spain Over the weekend, he will carry out his quarantine there and then fly to the UK. I think that will avoid him having to hotel quarantine in England. I don't know how the logistics will work but he will fly to Spain, quarantine there and then fly to England
That's a relief WSW...understandably I think a few of us were casting our minds back to Reyna et al...I'm looking forward to seeing him play. If he & Mitro can hit it off I'd fancy we'll go far this year
Does anyone know if he could play in the same team as Mitro or whether he is more likely to be a contender for Miro's place?
I expect If he like Richardlison he can play Don the centre or on the wing, hopefully on the left so it would be muinz mitro and Wilson as a front free
It appears that in his 30 or so senior performances he has only every played centre forward (according to Transfermarkt), so that remains to be seen..
He doesn't seem to have the build of a winger.
Quote from: The Cravenette on August 12, 2021, 05:57:36 PM
He doesn't seem to have the build of a winger.
Neither does Richarlison tbf.
Quote from: Tabby on August 12, 2021, 06:34:49 PM
Quote from: The Cravenette on August 12, 2021, 05:57:36 PM
He doesn't seem to have the build of a winger.
Neither does Richarlison tbf.
Was Richarlison a striker before he went to Watford? I don't think he was deployed as a striker for them (to my knowledge) I'm pretty sure he was even played wing back there? and he was always a wide man under Silva at Everton. Admittedly I have seen him play up front for Everton but that always seemed to be through injuries to DCL or lack of quality up top and he looked like a false 9 when he did play there. Whereas Muniz looks like a CF. Scores a lot of goals with his head. From what I've seen and read I have no idea of he's suited to playing out wide. Does anyone know more?
Quote from: JEEVES on August 12, 2021, 07:17:01 PM
Quote from: Tabby on August 12, 2021, 06:34:49 PM
Quote from: The Cravenette on August 12, 2021, 05:57:36 PM
He doesn't seem to have the build of a winger.
Neither does Richarlison tbf.
Was Richarlison a striker before he went to Watford? I don't think he was deployed as a striker for them (to my knowledge) I'm pretty sure he was even played wing back there? and he was always a wide man under Silva at Everton. Admittedly I have seen him play up front for Everton but that always seemed to be through injuries to DCL or lack of quality up top and he looked like a false 9 when he did play there. Whereas Muniz looks like a CF. Scores a lot of goals with his head. From what I've seen and read I have no idea of he's suited to playing out wide. Does anyone know more?
Richarlison was mainly a winger before he went to Watford, but their build is almost identical. He has become more of a striker in recent times (kind of like Ronaldo).
I think he is being brought in as competition for Mitro, but he might be deployed elsewhere. Depends on what Silva thinks.
How's that work.
Quote from: Tabby on August 12, 2021, 07:29:55 PM
Quote from: JEEVES on August 12, 2021, 07:17:01 PM
Quote from: Tabby on August 12, 2021, 06:34:49 PM
Quote from: The Cravenette on August 12, 2021, 05:57:36 PM
He doesn't seem to have the build of a winger.
Neither does Richarlison tbf.
Was Richarlison a striker before he went to Watford? I don't think he was deployed as a striker for them (to my knowledge) I'm pretty sure he was even played wing back there? and he was always a wide man under Silva at Everton. Admittedly I have seen him play up front for Everton but that always seemed to be through injuries to DCL or lack of quality up top and he looked like a false 9 when he did play there. Whereas Muniz looks like a CF. Scores a lot of goals with his head. From what I've seen and read I have no idea of he's suited to playing out wide. Does anyone know more?
Richarlison was mainly a winger before he went to Watford, but their build is almost identical. He has become more of a striker in recent times (kind of like Ronaldo).
I think he is being brought in as competition for Mitro, but he might be deployed elsewhere. Depends on what Silva thinks.
Muniz looks a bit more built than richarlison does back then and perhaps even now.
I would never have thought Jonah Lomu was a winger, :dft012:
I think that these ongoing comparisons to Richarlison are only setting everyone of you up for a world of disappointment.
He just happens to be a guy from the same country as Richarlison and 211 million other people, this does not make him the same thing.
He will probably end up like Collins John
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 12, 2021, 08:59:34 PM
He will probably end up like Collins John
Anyone remember John Collins, he was a nearly player- liked watching him though..
Quote from: LC on August 12, 2021, 09:47:06 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 12, 2021, 08:59:34 PM
He will probably end up like Collins John
Anyone remember John Collins, he was a nearly player- liked watching him though..
John Collins was a class footballer who played for Hibs, Celtic, AS Monoco, Everton and Fulham; hardly a nearly player.
Totally different from Collins John.
What a debut he had. After a couple of games, I thought we'd discovered a superstar. Then reality set in...
Quote from: gang on August 12, 2021, 10:01:37 PM
Quote from: LC on August 12, 2021, 09:47:06 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 12, 2021, 08:59:34 PM
He will probably end up like Collins John
Anyone remember John Collins, he was a nearly player- liked watching him though..
John Collins was a class footballer who played for Hibs, Celtic, AS Monoco, Everton and Fulham; hardly a nearly player.
Totally different from Collins John.
Yep, I think many of us remember both John Collins and Collins John and I agree it's pretty difficult to muddle them up. JC was class but Collins John flattered to deceive.
Quote from: Tabby on August 12, 2021, 07:29:55 PM
Quote from: JEEVES on August 12, 2021, 07:17:01 PM
Quote from: Tabby on August 12, 2021, 06:34:49 PM
Quote from: The Cravenette on August 12, 2021, 05:57:36 PM
He doesn't seem to have the build of a winger.
Neither does Richarlison tbf.
Was Richarlison a striker before he went to Watford? I don't think he was deployed as a striker for them (to my knowledge) I'm pretty sure he was even played wing back there? and he was always a wide man under Silva at Everton. Admittedly I have seen him play up front for Everton but that always seemed to be through injuries to DCL or lack of quality up top and he looked like a false 9 when he did play there. Whereas Muniz looks like a CF. Scores a lot of goals with his head. From what I've seen and read I have no idea of he's suited to playing out wide. Does anyone know more?
Richarlison was mainly a winger before he went to Watford, but their build is almost identical. He has become more of a striker in recent times (kind of like Ronaldo).
I think he is being brought in as competition for Mitro, but he might be deployed elsewhere. Depends on what Silva thinks.
And still mainly a winger now.
Quote from: Twig on August 12, 2021, 11:04:19 PM
Quote from: gang on August 12, 2021, 10:01:37 PM
Quote from: LC on August 12, 2021, 09:47:06 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 12, 2021, 08:59:34 PM
He will probably end up like Collins John
Anyone remember John Collins, he was a nearly player- liked watching him though..
John Collins was a class footballer who played for Hibs, Celtic, AS Monoco, Everton and Fulham; hardly a nearly player.
Totally different from Collins John.
Yep, I think many of us remember both John Collins and Collins John and I agree it's pretty difficult to muddle them up. JC was class but Collins John flattered to deceive.
It's pretty easy to muddle up the names, those guys played for us like 10-15 years ago, take it easy guys.
I was referring to Collins John (the striker) he was the nearly player.
I remember seeing John Collins play as well, retired with us I believe.
Collins John remains a Fulham fan. I saw him at Birmingham away a few seasons ago and he was with the Fulham fans having a great time. He may read this board....
Collins John was a really exciting and talented player, especially when he began with Fulham, with an amazing debut, but I think personal issues, and maybe injury, impacted on him fulfilling his full potential in the game.
Scottish international, John Collins was a very classy player for Fulham, so important in the club's rise after MAF took over, with a long and distinguished playing career here and abroad.
I heard him recently as a pundit on 5Live, probably for the England/Scotland game.
Quote from: RaySmith on August 13, 2021, 08:16:54 AM
Collins John was a really exciting and talented player, especially when he began with Fulham, with an amazing debut, but I think personal issues, and maybe injury, impacted on him fulfilling his full potential in the game.
Scottish international, John Collins was a very classy player for Fulham, so important in the club's rise after MAF took over, with a long and distinguished playing career here and abroad.
I heard him recently as a pundit on 5Live, probably for the England/Scotland game.
That and he spent most off his time on the pitch in off side positions when the ball was played to him, was like he never knew the rule.
But he was ever so exciting, the goal against Boro showed what he could do ut sadly not often enough
Outstanding match against Arsenal at home. Think he was robbed of a hat trick by bad linesman decisions.
Translated From Twitter why loan? should sell him get tit permanently.
ZAMBO ANGUISSA 🚨
👉 Assigned with option to purchase. The club would already be in negotiations with Fulham, and they would welcome a loan to Espanyol. The player's file would now be acceptable thanks to the CVC investment fund. It is the objective 1 of the directive.#rcde
Dame Joan Henrietta Collins DBE (born 23 May 1933) is an English actress, author, and columnist. Collins is the recipient of several accolades, including a Golden Globe Award, a People's Choice Award, two Soap Opera Digest Awards and a Primetime Emmy Award nomination. In 1983, she was awarded a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. She has been recognized for her philanthropy, particularly her advocacy towards causes relating to children, which has earned her many honours. In 2015, she was made a Dame by Queen Elizabeth II for her charitable services.
Thought this was a thread regarding transfers not past players
No news it seems.
Sorry, I couldn't resist...
As for a possible loan of Anguissa, I agree that it seems to make no sense. If he's gonna go, then we should extract maximum value to balance the books & reinvest
If anybody ever wants to see what a kid like Collins John had to overcome to become a footballer. It is worth trying to find out about his struggles. He was a good player.
So been told this morning, Anguissa is in advanced talks about a permanent move away, he has agreed terms, and the club are just trying to agree the fee with the buying club. Seri likely to be off (possibly Galatasaray for a couple of million), if we can't sell him, we are looking at how much it would cost to terminate his contract to save his wages. Again I can't say which Club Anguissa is talking too, but its a fairly big club and the fee will likely be between 18-20 million
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 13, 2021, 09:51:44 AM
If anybody ever wants to see what a kid like Collins John had to overcome to become a footballer. It is worth trying to find out about his struggles. He was a good player.
https://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2020/march/30/the-long-read-collins-john/
This is a good read
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 13, 2021, 10:00:27 AM
So been told this morning, Anguissa is in advanced talks about a permanent move away, he has agreed terms, and the club are just trying to agree the fee with the buying club. Seri likely to be off (possibly Galatasaray for a couple of million), if we can't sell him, we are looking at how much it would cost to terminate his contract to save his wages. Again I can't say which Club Anguissa is talking too, but its a fairly big club and the fee will likely be between 18-20 million
Thank you as always for the info WSW. Do you know if it's a Prem club or abroad?
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 13, 2021, 10:00:27 AM
So been told this morning, Anguissa is in advanced talks about a permanent move away, he has agreed terms, and the club are just trying to agree the fee with the buying club. Seri likely to be off (possibly Galatasaray for a couple of million), if we can't sell him, we are looking at how much it would cost to terminate his contract to save his wages. Again I can't say which Club Anguissa is talking too, but its a fairly big club and the fee will likely be between 18-20 million
According to twitter likely destination is Espanyol on a loan with an option to buy, cant see much else on there. The Roma stuff seems to have died down so guess they focus on a striker.
Quote from: HobGoblin on August 13, 2021, 10:03:53 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 13, 2021, 09:51:44 AM
If anybody ever wants to see what a kid like Collins John had to overcome to become a footballer. It is worth trying to find out about his struggles. He was a good player.
https://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2020/march/30/the-long-read-collins-john/
This is a good read
Thanks for this.
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 13, 2021, 10:00:27 AM
So been told this morning, Anguissa is in advanced talks about a permanent move away, he has agreed terms, and the club are just trying to agree the fee with the buying club. Seri likely to be off (possibly Galatasaray for a couple of million), if we can't sell him, we are looking at how much it would cost to terminate his contract to save his wages. Again I can't say which Club Anguissa is talking too, but its a fairly big club and the fee will likely be between 18-20 million
Can already see the TK post-window video coming out in a few weeks' time saying we got offered £16m for Anguissa in early August and we managed to negotiate the sale price up to £20m by holding out for few weeks. Unfortunately that took us right up to deadline day so we didn't have time to use the funds to sign a replacement and will now have to play Francois and Onomah in midfield all season. But on the plus side we have an extra £4m sitting in the bank earning interest. The art of the deal.
His family were refugees in the Netherlands after his father's death in Liberia. He was actually our leading scorer in the premier league in 2005/6.
I saw a tweet about the destination being Villa for Anguissa
WSW, has the Grimes pursuit been called off (or was it even real)? I'd feel very good about our midfield with someone like him alongside Harrison Reed. Gotta assume that if Anguissa and Seri are off, there will be incoming midfielders
If we get promoted this season 🙏 does Frank just slip back into the team? Just sell and take a hit if we have to.
Seri to galatasary for 2m under discussion.
If these two come off it will be somewhat refreshing, I think.
A lot of the old guard (whether they were liked or not) do have that feeling of failure attached to them, this clear out of a lot of them is certainly helping my sense of optimism under our new manager.
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on August 13, 2021, 10:25:42 AM
WSW, has the Grimes pursuit been called off (or was it even real)? I'd feel very good about our midfield with someone like him alongside Harrison Reed. Gotta assume that if Anguissa and Seri are off, there will be incoming midfielders
We did agree a fee and terms with him. However, then he got covid. After covid his demands doubled so we've pulled out (he reportedly requested 40k a week) we'd offered him 20 which is double his current wage
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 13, 2021, 10:52:48 AM
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on August 13, 2021, 10:25:42 AM
WSW, has the Grimes pursuit been called off (or was it even real)? I'd feel very good about our midfield with someone like him alongside Harrison Reed. Gotta assume that if Anguissa and Seri are off, there will be incoming midfielders
We did agree a fee and terms with him. However, then he got covid. After covid his demands doubled so we've pulled out (he reportedly requested 40k a week) we'd offered him 20 which is double his current wage
Covid makes some people greedy then as well as sick.
Should we sign Jack Whilshere and see if we can get a season out of him and TC between them
No.
Quote from: Nero on August 13, 2021, 11:20:55 AM
Should we sign Jack Whilshere and see if we can get a season out of him and TC between them
I wouldn't go for Wiltshire i don't think.
Given what MS said re TC yesterday it doesn't look overly good. He has taken part in one pre season session and had to stop due to the injury. Knee injuries are awful
AK47 signed 4 year deal with Aris, sold for 3.5 mill.
We never agreed a fee with Swansea for Grimes (haven't even submitted a bid), let alone agreed terms with the player himself. Anyone saying otherwise is lying. The mail report saying he was set for a medical was proven to be untrue.
Muniz on plane apparently with a fingers crossed emoji.
However, what was more interesting was the lots of messages saying "Boa Sorte", which apparently doesn't mean Boa will sort you out, but actually means "good luck"
Apart from players coming in, I would hope the club have a list of players they wish to move on and are actively trying to do so.
We can all think of 5 or 6 who wouldn't be missed and could be replaced by youngsters or cheaper signings with potential as this would go to raise funds and/or save on salaries.
Not an easy task but I somehow think its just being left to chance, with no plan or purpose?
I guess there's too many on good money to shift!
Quote from: bobby01 on August 13, 2021, 12:57:04 PM
AK47 signed 4 year deal with Aris, sold for 3.5 mill.
Wow. But I thought that was impossible as some on here said that Aris never pay more than £600,000 for a player.
Well there's a first time for everything I suppose.
Muniz at airport saying bye to Flamengo fans
https://twitter.com/venecasagrande/status/1426163076278202370?s=19
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on August 13, 2021, 01:37:46 PM
Quote from: bobby01 on August 13, 2021, 12:57:04 PM
AK47 signed 4 year deal with Aris, sold for 3.5 mill.
Wow. But I thought that was impossible as some on here said that Aris never pay more than £600,000 for a player.
Well there's a first time for everything I suppose.
That's correct - as I've mentioned before, everyone in Greece (even Aris fans) is surprised with Aris paying that much money.
It's a very good deal for us, even if I think that Kamara would have been useful this year.
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Quote from: General on August 13, 2021, 01:50:18 PM
Muniz at airport saying bye to Flamengo fans
https://twitter.com/venecasagrande/status/1426163076278202370?s=19
He's very tall
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on August 13, 2021, 02:20:50 PM
Quote from: General on August 13, 2021, 01:50:18 PM
Muniz at airport saying bye to Flamengo fans
https://twitter.com/venecasagrande/status/1426163076278202370?s=19
He's very tall
Or the other guys are really short lol
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on August 13, 2021, 02:20:50 PM
Quote from: General on August 13, 2021, 01:50:18 PM
Muniz at airport saying bye to Flamengo fans
https://twitter.com/venecasagrande/status/1426163076278202370?s=19
He's very tall
Or a bit short and thick set!
Quote from: junior white on August 13, 2021, 02:23:58 PM
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on August 13, 2021, 02:20:50 PM
Quote from: General on August 13, 2021, 01:50:18 PM
Muniz at airport saying bye to Flamengo fans
https://twitter.com/venecasagrande/status/1426163076278202370?s=19
He's very tall
Or the other guys are really short lol
He's apparently 1.85m or 6ft. So relatively tall. Mitro is apparently 6ft 2 for comparison. Makes a potentially strong pairing.
Rodrigo Muniz, before leaving for Europe to perform at Fulham, stopped to take a picture with Flamengo fans
Quote from: General on August 13, 2021, 01:50:18 PM
Muniz at airport saying bye to Flamengo fans
https://twitter.com/venecasagrande/status/1426163076278202370?s=19
We've accidently bought the bloke on the left!
I wonder if the rumour of Muinz going to Spain for quarantine is correct, if so why Spain, surely there's a chance that he'll have to quarantine coming from Spain to England?
You can fly direct from Brazil to Spain but not from Brazil to the UK under current covid restrictions.
If you have been in Brazil within 10 days of coming into the UK you need to isolate in a government approved hotel (basically stay in a room for 10 days). In Spain you just have to isolate - no restriction where.
Therefore much better for Muniz to go to Spain first and then the UK.
Quote from: whitejc on August 13, 2021, 03:59:55 PM
I wonder if the rumour of Muinz going to Spain for quarantine is correct, if so why Spain, surely there's a chance that he'll have to quarantine coming from Spain to England?
If he flew direct from Brazil to England he would have to quarantine for ten days in an airport hotel, by stopping in Spain for five days he will now only need to self isolate at his home for five days,
Wouldn't expect to see him in a Fulham squad until Blackpool away
Looking at the rules and on the back of what somebody else here said - as he isn't a British national he isn't allowed to fly to the UK from red listed Brazil.
So he'll have to sit out the 10 days that the government require him to in a country that isn't red listed before then coming over and carrying out what I think is 5 day self isolation.
It's a bit messy, but it does make sense.
Funny how the G7 didn't have to do this when they infected the South West, mind.
Would Muniz be doing all that flying, spending time in quarantine etc if he hadn't signed a contract, If however he has signed a contract then why isn't it on the OFAL.
Quote from: filham on August 13, 2021, 04:33:04 PM
Would Muniz be doing all that flying, spending time in quarantine etc if he hadn't signed a contract, If however he has signed a contract then why isn't it on the OFAL.
Probably photos and a pun are needed first
Quote from: filham on August 13, 2021, 04:33:04 PM
Would Muniz be doing all that flying, spending time in quarantine etc if he hadn't signed a contract, If however he has signed a contract then why isn't it on the OFAL.
I said a while ago the club are more obsessed with having the player kitted up and ready for sponsorship reasons then they feel the urgency to announce business. It would seem everything is done though.
When does the transfer window open?
This is a lot of hassle for a young player. Silva must really want him. Hope they can make it work when he does arrive.
Flamengo fans do seem to think he could be a Brazilian international striker, but that's not been realised yet.
Some of the UK media reports about quarantining in Spain are horrendous, hopefully Munoz is in a decent place to quarantine there if even part of those stories are correct
Not announcing a player until they're properly signed and in the kit is common procedure. There is no point in announcing it early other than to assuage nervous fans.
What if Muniz gets off to a decent start and then gets a call up for Brazil 🇧🇷
Because of covid can we say no, or do we have to go through this quarantine rigmarole every time ?
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 13, 2021, 04:23:16 PM
Looking at the rules and on the back of what somebody else here said - as he isn't a British national he isn't allowed to fly to the UK from red listed Brazil.
So he'll have to sit out the 10 days that the government require him to in a country that isn't red listed before then coming over and carrying out what I think is 5 day self isolation.
It's a bit messy, but it does make sense.
Funny how the G7 didn't have to do this when they infected the South West, mind.
We're they not treated like "elite sportsmen and women" in that the are in a bubble so dont need too? Cant see how that applies as i guess the are not in a bubble, also think they flew to a non standard airport and stayed in a certain circle meeting wise, again not sure on that but again is all a load of nonsense as they should be treated no different to anyone else
Especially as the elite sportsman thing has ended now i believe as well.
But in relation to Muniz it does make sense to do what he is doing i guess
Quote from: Riversider on August 13, 2021, 05:17:01 PM
What if Muniz gets off to a decent start and then gets a call up for Brazil 🇧🇷
Because of covid can we say no, or do we have to go through this quarantine rigmarole every time ?
I think clubs can say no if they are flying to a red listed country without UEFA or FIFA punishing the club
Quote from: Tabby on August 13, 2021, 05:14:38 PM
Not announcing a player until they're properly signed and in the kit is common procedure. There is no point in announcing it early other than to assuage nervous fans.
In fairness though you could just send the kit to the player and have a photographer take photos - happens at other clubs.
Quote from: Justme on August 13, 2021, 04:21:07 PM
You can fly direct from Brazil to Spain but not from Brazil to the UK under current covid restrictions.
If you have been in Brazil within 10 days of coming into the UK you need to isolate in a government approved hotel (basically stay in a room for 10 days). In Spain you just have to isolate - no restriction where.
Therefore much better for Muniz to go to Spain first and then the UK.
Most logical explanation so far
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on August 13, 2021, 01:37:46 PM
Quote from: bobby01 on August 13, 2021, 12:57:04 PM
AK47 signed 4 year deal with Aris, sold for 3.5 mill.
Wow. But I thought that was impossible as some on here said that Aris never pay more than £600,000 for a player.
Well there's a first time for everything I suppose.
Yeah, that's absolutely insane if it's true. I guess every club has to break their transfer record at some point but blowing more than their entire transfer budget from previous seasons on Kamara, wow! Lets hope they have some money left for extra security in their yoga sessions.
It's still less than we paid for him though, isn't it?
Quote from: junior white on August 13, 2021, 05:09:07 PM
Some of the UK media reports about quarantining in Spain are horrendous, hopefully Munoz is in a decent place to quarantine there if even part of those stories are correct
Obviously I have no idea.
But I would be prepared to have a small wager on a poolside villa rather than a one room shack off the Cañada Real.
Quote from: junior white on August 13, 2021, 05:17:52 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 13, 2021, 04:23:16 PM
Looking at the rules and on the back of what somebody else here said - as he isn't a British national he isn't allowed to fly to the UK from red listed Brazil.
So he'll have to sit out the 10 days that the government require him to in a country that isn't red listed before then coming over and carrying out what I think is 5 day self isolation.
It's a bit messy, but it does make sense.
Funny how the G7 didn't have to do this when they infected the South West, mind.
We're they not treated like "elite sportsmen and women" in that the are in a bubble so dont need too? Cant see how that applies as i guess the are not in a bubble, also think they flew to a non standard airport and stayed in a certain circle meeting wise, again not sure on that but again is all a load of nonsense as they should be treated no different to anyone else
Especially as the elite sportsman thing has ended now i believe as well.
But in relation to Muniz it does make sense to do what he is doing i guess
He'll have a visa to live and work here, which i think constitutes residence rights, so he would be allowed to travel directly here from Brazil, he'd just have to do the hotel quarantine debacle as others have said
That's true, I didn't take that into consideration.
Perhaps from Spain he doesn't need to quarantine if he's double-vaccinated and takes the appropriate tests.
Either way, it's a rum old transfer where a player from abroad doesn't even get to see the facilities and the sort of areas where he might be living first. He's taking a lot on trust and videos. Perhaps that indicates a good sales job or some kind of strong preference on his part.
Rumours of interest in Michael Obafemi, 21 year old Irish striker at Southampton.
Quote from: bobby01 on August 13, 2021, 06:25:15 PM
Rumours of interest in Michael Obafemi, 21 year old Irish striker at Southampton.
If that happens as well as Munoz... is Mitro going to stick?
Quote from: bobby01 on August 13, 2021, 06:25:15 PM
Rumours of interest in Michael Obafemi, 21 year old Irish striker at Southampton.
Thats a right old Irish name
Is he from Cork or Dublin?
Quote from: bobby01 on August 13, 2021, 06:25:15 PM
Rumours of interest in Michael Obafemi, 21 year old Irish striker at Southampton.
He can play wide as well cant he?
Quote from: junior white on August 13, 2021, 07:11:06 PM
Quote from: bobby01 on August 13, 2021, 06:25:15 PM
Rumours of interest in Michael Obafemi, 21 year old Irish striker at Southampton.
He can play wide as well cant he?
Think kamara only for with a 1st touch and a football brain
Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on August 13, 2021, 07:31:38 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 13, 2021, 07:11:06 PM
Quote from: bobby01 on August 13, 2021, 06:25:15 PM
Rumours of interest in Michael Obafemi, 21 year old Irish striker at Southampton.
He can play wide as well cant he?
Think kamara only for with a 1st touch and a football brain
Obafemi is a good player. I'd be delighted if we can get him in.
Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on August 13, 2021, 07:31:38 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 13, 2021, 07:11:06 PM
Quote from: bobby01 on August 13, 2021, 06:25:15 PM
Rumours of interest in Michael Obafemi, 21 year old Irish striker at Southampton.
He can play wide as well cant he?
Think kamara only for with a 1st touch and a football brain
I know who and what his preferred role, was just asking if he can play wide
Quote from: junior white on August 13, 2021, 07:46:43 PM
Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on August 13, 2021, 07:31:38 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 13, 2021, 07:11:06 PM
Quote from: bobby01 on August 13, 2021, 06:25:15 PM
Rumours of interest in Michael Obafemi, 21 year old Irish striker at Southampton.
He can play wide as well cant he?
Think kamara only for with a 1st touch and a football brain
I know who and what his preferred role, was just asking if he can play wide
Yes he can like kamara up front or outwide but i would say his long term position is up front
Quote from: Jules on August 13, 2021, 07:45:36 PM
Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on August 13, 2021, 07:31:38 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 13, 2021, 07:11:06 PM
Quote from: bobby01 on August 13, 2021, 06:25:15 PM
Rumours of interest in Michael Obafemi, 21 year old Irish striker at Southampton.
He can play wide as well cant he?
Think kamara only for with a 1st touch and a football brain
Obafemi is a good player. I'd be delighted if we can get him in.
Surely Southampton won't sell another striker.
Quote from: The Cravenette on August 13, 2021, 08:18:51 PM
Quote from: Jules on August 13, 2021, 07:45:36 PM
Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on August 13, 2021, 07:31:38 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 13, 2021, 07:11:06 PM
Quote from: bobby01 on August 13, 2021, 06:25:15 PM
Rumours of interest in Michael Obafemi, 21 year old Irish striker at Southampton.
He can play wide as well cant he?
Think kamara only for with a 1st touch and a football brain
Obafemi is a good player. I'd be delighted if we can get him in.
Surely Southampton won't sell another striker.
He played 60 minutes of first team football last season.
Did he not score against us?
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on August 13, 2021, 05:30:35 PM
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on August 13, 2021, 01:37:46 PM
Quote from: bobby01 on August 13, 2021, 12:57:04 PM
AK47 signed 4 year deal with Aris, sold for 3.5 mill.
Wow. But I thought that was impossible as some on here said that Aris never pay more than £600,000 for a player.
Well there's a first time for everything I suppose.
Yeah, that's absolutely insane if it's true. I guess every club has to break their transfer record at some point but blowing more than their entire transfer budget from previous seasons on Kamara, wow! Lets hope they have some money left for extra security in their yoga sessions.
It's still less than we paid for him though, isn't it?
A good deal you're right, but yes I believe we paid between £4.5-5.25m for him, so a loss certainly. We're not exactly known for making a profit on players!
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Quote from: St. Andrews White on August 13, 2021, 09:00:33 PM
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on August 13, 2021, 05:30:35 PM
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on August 13, 2021, 01:37:46 PM
Quote from: bobby01 on August 13, 2021, 12:57:04 PM
AK47 signed 4 year deal with Aris, sold for 3.5 mill.
Wow. But I thought that was impossible as some on here said that Aris never pay more than £600,000 for a player.
Well there's a first time for everything I suppose.
Yeah, that's absolutely insane if it's true. I guess every club has to break their transfer record at some point but blowing more than their entire transfer budget from previous seasons on Kamara, wow! Lets hope they have some money left for extra security in their yoga sessions.
It's still less than we paid for him though, isn't it?
A good deal you're right, but yes I believe we paid between £4.5-5.25m for him, so a loss certainly. We're not exactly known for making a profit on players!
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Wouldn't call it a loss if we got €3.5m for him after 4 years here, including loans. €1m for that many years, a few useful goals and two promotions doesn't exactly sound like bad value for money and a loss. Promotion alone is worth over £100m these days. Split that across the squad of 22 and you'd have 4-5£m a player per promotion.. you only need to apportion £1 over two to him, not to forget parachute payments.
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 13, 2021, 07:04:18 PM
Quote from: bobby01 on August 13, 2021, 06:25:15 PM
Rumours of interest in Michael Obafemi, 21 year old Irish striker at Southampton.
Thats a right old Irish name
Is he from Cork or Dublin?
Maybe it's O'Bafemi.
Obafemi scores about one in twenty chances? When fit ? We are just about to sell someone similar? There is a lot better out there even in lower leagues.
Lewis Baker could be a good and cheap solution to our CM injuries
Kamara take account of his wages extended contract,as a business your supposed to make a profit,imagine 10 of them we are at a loss,we are in dept we need to sell,we have players no one wants,we are badly run,this cannot go on the club is a shambles,how can Brentford by and sell pay for a basic stadium and possibly stay up,Tony's fans speak up,family club my arse,a man with all that money bumpers and all why would let a clown run the club or do they want to, flats river cruises, fun fares and wait for it clowns to the left me jokers to the right Tony in the middle,all the work bill muddyman did to get us here such a disappointment.
Quote from: MickTheBeard on August 13, 2021, 11:21:54 PM
Kamara take account of his wages extended contract,as a business your supposed to make a profit,imagine 10 of them we are at a loss,we are in dept we need to sell,we have players no one wants,we are badly run,this cannot go on the club is a shambles,how can Brentford by and sell pay for a basic stadium and possibly stay up,Tony's fans speak up,family club my arse,a man with all that money bumpers and all why would let a clown run the club or do they want to, flats river cruises, fun fares and wait for it clowns to the left me jokers to the right Tony in the middle,all the work bill muddyman did to get us here such a disappointment.
Ouch, you typed this while on the rum?
Sorry but to buy a player, get four years out of him then sell him for almost the same fee you paid is good business. If you did that with a car you wouldn't be complaining.
Hope the man does well for his new team. Glad he not playing in the Championship against us.
I'm glad he's not playing in the Championship for us.
Quote from: HobGoblin on August 13, 2021, 11:24:48 PM
Quote from: MickTheBeard on August 13, 2021, 11:21:54 PM
Kamara take account of his wages extended contract,as a business your supposed to make a profit,imagine 10 of them we are at a loss,we are in dept we need to sell,we have players no one wants,we are badly run,this cannot go on the club is a shambles,how can Brentford by and sell pay for a basic stadium and possibly stay up,Tony's fans speak up,family club my arse,a man with all that money bumpers and all why would let a clown run the club or do they want to, flats river cruises, fun fares and wait for it clowns to the left me jokers to the right Tony in the middle,all the work bill muddyman did to get us here such a disappointment.
Ouch, you typed this while on the rum?
Or is it another alg account
Quote from: gang on August 14, 2021, 12:03:10 AM
I'm glad he's not playing in the Championship for us.
:005:
Quote from: HobGoblin on August 13, 2021, 11:24:48 PM
Quote from: MickTheBeard on August 13, 2021, 11:21:54 PM
Kamara take account of his wages extended contract,as a business your supposed to make a profit,imagine 10 of them we are at a loss,we are in dept we need to sell,we have players no one wants,we are badly run,this cannot go on the club is a shambles,how can Brentford by and sell pay for a basic stadium and possibly stay up,Tony's fans speak up,family club my arse,a man with all that money bumpers and all why would let a clown run the club or do they want to, flats river cruises, fun fares and wait for it clowns to the left me jokers to the right Tony in the middle,all the work bill muddyman did to get us here such a disappointment.
Ouch, you typed this while on the rum?
Perhaps he had his bird's eyes shut.
I know it's a little off topic but does anyone have any news on the new DOF at all, seems to have gone dark on that front?
Quote from: Danitar on August 14, 2021, 09:12:32 AM
I know it's a little off topic but does anyone have any news on the new DOF at all, seems to have gone dark on that front?
Don't need a new one - we still have the old one in place, unfortunately. I will reserve any further comments on him until the 1st September
Quote from: Danitar on August 14, 2021, 09:12:32 AM
I know it's a little off topic but does anyone have any news on the new DOF at all, seems to have gone dark on that front?
New you ask, I had no idea we had one in the first place.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 14, 2021, 09:25:06 AM
Quote from: Danitar on August 14, 2021, 09:12:32 AM
I know it's a little off topic but does anyone have any news on the new DOF at all, seems to have gone dark on that front?
New you ask, I had no idea we had one in the first place.
Tony's given himself every title under the sun so I assumed DOF was one of them or at least he as tall like he is
Quote from: Danitar on August 14, 2021, 09:12:32 AM
I know it's a little off topic but does anyone have any news on the new DOF at all, seems to have gone dark on that front?
Thought it was a director of Scouting not football
In the minutes form the trust it said the interviews were ongoing and that they want to find the right person not just appoint anybody
So, no real transfer news then other than we think Muniz may be only about 10 days quarantine away. Does he have to wait until the end of the quarantine period for a medical.
Can't imagine how long it is going to take for him to acclimatize and get match fit, best we can hope for is possibly to see him on the bench in about a month's time.
Doubt he will feature until after international break
Quote from: Holders on August 13, 2021, 11:06:06 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 13, 2021, 07:04:18 PM
Quote from: bobby01 on August 13, 2021, 06:25:15 PM
Rumours of interest in Michael Obafemi, 21 year old Irish striker at Southampton.
Thats a right old Irish name
Is he from Cork or Dublin?
Maybe it's O'Bafemi.
LOL QUALITY
Quote from: Statto on August 13, 2021, 11:49:45 PM
Sorry but to buy a player, get four years out of him then sell him for almost the same fee you paid is good business. If you did that with a car you wouldn't be complaining.
I mean it's a loss of potentially over £2m, that's fairly significant at this level.
But anyway, it's a good fee for him and an FFP accounting profit so I'm still happy. I would just like us to be able to do what Brentford do and sell players consistently for a profit.
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Quote from: St. Andrews White on August 14, 2021, 11:40:04 AM
Quote from: Statto on August 13, 2021, 11:49:45 PM
Sorry but to buy a player, get four years out of him then sell him for almost the same fee you paid is good business. If you did that with a car you wouldn't be complaining.
I mean it's a loss of potentially over £2m, that's fairly significant at this level.
But anyway, it's a good fee for him and an FFP accounting profit so I'm still happy. I would just like us to be able to do what Brentford do and sell players consistently for a profit.
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But it really is not a loss. In order to get fans to buy tickets, sponsorships to occur, and media deals to happen you have to have players on the field. There is a reason that for accounting purposes, Kamara will be sold at a profit for that price.
Quote from: St. Andrews White on August 14, 2021, 11:40:04 AM
Quote from: Statto on August 13, 2021, 11:49:45 PM
Sorry but to buy a player, get four years out of him then sell him for almost the same fee you paid is good business. If you did that with a car you wouldn't be complaining.
I mean it's a loss of potentially over £2m, that's fairly significant at this level.
But anyway, it's a good fee for him and an FFP accounting profit so I'm still happy. I would just like us to be able to do what Brentford do and sell players consistently for a profit.
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£500k a year (£2m over 4 years) sounds like reasonable value to me.
Bearing in mind the going rate (ie loan fee, or amortisation if you buy them) for a Cavaleiro or Knockaert calibre player is about £3-4m per year.
Haven't seen any confirmation Kamara is leaving yet except he is not in today's squad.
I notice will hughes is not in the Watford squad is he injured or left out
Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on August 14, 2021, 02:48:36 PM
I notice will hughes is not in the Watford squad is he injured or left out
Chalobah also missing ...
Is that Chalobah whose just scored for Chelsea.
Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on August 14, 2021, 02:48:36 PM
I notice will hughes is not in the Watford squad is he injured or left out
Hughes has been with the u23's all preseason.
I'd absolutely love Obafemi with us. Rapid, strong but very raw. Great for squad depth.
Quote from: sarnian on August 14, 2021, 04:17:21 PM
Is that Chalobah whose just scored for Chelsea.
No that would be his brother
I might be in the minority but I really want Seri and Anguissa to stay
Quote from: Caedal on August 14, 2021, 05:06:39 PM
I might be in the minority but I really want Seri and Anguissa to stay
Think most would if it was economically viable
I think Seri may stay. Surely he's more valuable to us as a quality CM (which we lack) than the pittance anyone is going to pay for him
Quote from: Statto on August 14, 2021, 05:13:20 PM
Quote from: Caedal on August 14, 2021, 05:06:39 PM
I might be in the minority but I really want Seri and Anguissa to stay
Think most would if it was economically viable
I think Seri may stay. Surely he's more valuable to us as a quality CM (which we lack) than the pittance anyone is going to pay for him
+1 - it'll cost more than the £2m rumoured fee to replace him with someone of adequate quality, and I know he's on bigger wages but against a bunch of cloggers like Hudds it was so easy to see how having a deep lying playmaker to move the ball about will aid us in the absence of TC, who can't be too far away from retiring with the state of his knee. Either that or we do get rid of him and swap him for Grimes who can do a similar job and might also be okay against more physical + high press teams teams (who I would probably not want Seri as a sole DM against, which isn't a criticism of him because it's not his playstyle)
https://twitter.com/sporting160_en/status/1426830008945946629?s=21
Apparently we're interested in this guy who plays as a DM for Sporting
http://sportwitness.co.uk/fulham-will-present-offer-signing-beginning-week-interesting-deal-works/
are we broke? we are trying to convince sporting to let him sign for us on a free transfer
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 15, 2021, 11:23:39 AM
http://sportwitness.co.uk/fulham-will-present-offer-signing-beginning-week-interesting-deal-works/
are we broke? we are trying to convince sporting to let him sign for us on a free transfer
Well the article says that he's not currently playing for them so perhaps it's a case of trying to get a player we think can contribute from a team that don't want him - giving a sell on % means that they'll get money for him if the transfer pays off and he does well for us, and we get another FFP workaround and another player in the squad
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 15, 2021, 10:39:50 AM
https://twitter.com/sporting160_en/status/1426830008945946629?s=21
Apparently we're interested in this guy who plays as a DM for Sporting
He's less tried and tested than Muniz though and 3 years older. Hasn't played a single game for Sporting only 30 for their B team in a lower league. Not sure I see much point. Surely he'd have made a breakthrough if he had top talent.
Wonder if the "free" part is with a view to signing him as a loan. Can't see how he'd be expected to come in and be a starter with Reed here and so far Anguissa still too. We need someone who can come in and do well not only at this level but with a view to being able to make the step up.
Would seem to be comparable to Onomah's situation with Parker and Spurs, where the manager knew and worked with the player as a youth, and feels that he understands and his potential, which hadn't been fully realized at his previous club. For what it's worth, I thought Onomah played really well yesterday, and looked good against Boro, too.
Makes Jan Molby look like a fitness freak. It would take a whole season to get Bruno Paz match fit
Ibrahima Cisse vibes
Quote from: Caedal on August 14, 2021, 05:06:39 PM
I might be in the minority but I really want Seri and Anguissa to stay
I go along with that, no risk, we know exactly what we are getting and then with Reed and Carvahlo surely we have the best midfield in the Championship.
Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on August 14, 2021, 02:48:36 PM
I notice will hughes is not in the Watford squad is he injured or left out
Apparently palace are after him now
Quote from: Danitar on August 15, 2021, 01:07:42 PM
Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on August 14, 2021, 02:48:36 PM
I notice will hughes is not in the Watford squad is he injured or left out
Apparently palace are after him now
He's agreed terms with Palace
Quote from: HobGoblin on August 13, 2021, 11:24:48 PM
Quote from: MickTheBeard on August 13, 2021, 11:21:54 PM
Kamara take account of his wages extended contract,as a business your supposed to make a profit,imagine 10 of them we are at a loss,we are in dept we need to sell,we have players no one wants,we are badly run,this cannot go on the club is a shambles,how can Brentford by and sell pay for a basic stadium and possibly stay up,Tony's fans speak up,family club my arse,a man with all that money bumpers and all why would let a clown run the club or do they want to, flats river cruises, fun fares and wait for it clowns to the left me jokers to the right Tony in the middle,all the work bill muddyman did to get us here such a disappointment.
Ouch, you typed this while on the rum?
and couldn't find the full stop key
Quote from: Caedal on August 14, 2021, 05:06:39 PM
I might be in the minority but I really want Seri and Anguissa to stay
You are
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/fulham-targeting-deal-for-23-year-old-midfielder-from-top-flight-club/
Fulham are interested in a deal for Sporting Lisbon midfielder Bruno Paz, a report from Portuguese outlet Record, via Sport Witness, has claimed.
According to this latest update, Fulham will make an offer to Sporting Lisbon for Paz at the start of next week, and it seems the circumstances could be falling into place for a deal to happen.
The Cottagers have so far signed just two players this summer following their relegation from the Premier League at the end of last season, with attacker Harry Wilson and goalkeeper Paulo Gazzaniga joining on permanent deals from Liverpool and Tottenham respectively.
Now, with little more than two weeks remaining in the window, it seems Fulham are still keen to get some more deals done, one of which could be for Paz.
According to this latest update, Fulham will make an offer to Sporting Lisbon for Paz at the start of next week, and it seems the circumstances could be falling into place for a deal to happen.
It is thought that Sporting are willing to let the 23-year-old leave this summer, and that Fulham are trying to convince the Portuguese giants to let Paz move on a free transfer.
For their part, it is said that Sporting could allow Paz to leave on a free, but that they would want a €2.5million buyback clause in the deal, and a percentage of any future sale.
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 15, 2021, 09:16:22 PM
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/fulham-targeting-deal-for-23-year-old-midfielder-from-top-flight-club/
Fulham are interested in a deal for Sporting Lisbon midfielder Bruno Paz, a report from Portuguese outlet Record, via Sport Witness, has claimed.
According to this latest update, Fulham will make an offer to Sporting Lisbon for Paz at the start of next week, and it seems the circumstances could be falling into place for a deal to happen.
The Cottagers have so far signed just two players this summer following their relegation from the Premier League at the end of last season, with attacker Harry Wilson and goalkeeper Paulo Gazzaniga joining on permanent deals from Liverpool and Tottenham respectively.
Now, with little more than two weeks remaining in the window, it seems Fulham are still keen to get some more deals done, one of which could be for Paz.
According to this latest update, Fulham will make an offer to Sporting Lisbon for Paz at the start of next week, and it seems the circumstances could be falling into place for a deal to happen.
It is thought that Sporting are willing to let the 23-year-old leave this summer, and that Fulham are trying to convince the Portuguese giants to let Paz move on a free transfer.
For their part, it is said that Sporting could allow Paz to leave on a free, but that they would want a €2.5million buyback clause in the deal, and a percentage of any future sale.
So I've been told we won't agree to a buyback clause, however, will offer 50% of any future sale which the club are fairly confident will be accepted. The buy back clause makes no sense to us. Sporting fans speak quite highly of him.
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I might be in the minority but I really want Seri and Anguissa to stay
You are
In my humble opinion, the only people that would not want both of these players in a championship team would be the type of fans who no very little about football or the type of pundits that think Scott Parker is a great coach or people that believe everything they read on twitter. And, I do accept that there are a few of those type of people that are on here.
I'm just the a voice for the rest of us. Or, to put another way, someone that doesn't talk nonsense about what he knows nothing about.
Quote from: 70sPimlico on August 15, 2021, 09:44:47 PM
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I might be in the minority but I really want Seri and Anguissa to stay
You are
In my humble opinion, the only people that would not want both of these players in a championship team would be the type of fans who no very little about football or the type of pundits that think Scott Parker is a great coach or people that believe everything they read on twitter. And, I do accept that there are a few of those type of people that are on here.
I'm just the a voice for the rest of us. Or, to put another way, someone that doesn't talk nonsense about what he knows nothing about.
It'd be silly to not want them in the championship. I want them both to stay and have an amazing season for us. Seri actually was smiling in the photos.. and it looked genuine. He hardly ever is seen smiling let alone genuinely. I think Silva wants to keep both.
I don't have a problem with a player that doesn't want to play in the Championship, I don't blame Zambo for that sentiment. Hoping they both stay.
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I notice will hughes is not in the Watford squad is he injured or left out
Apparently palace are after him now
He's agreed terms with Palace
I have Palace down as potential to get relegated this season. I'm not at all convinced by Vieira as a manager and palace struggled last season but were saved by Hodgson keeping them working on the basics.
We could.. possibly... go back up and be in a position to buy both andersen and areola (assuming one got relegated and the other hardly played at West ham)..
Quote from: 70sPimlico on August 15, 2021, 09:44:47 PM
Quote from: Fernhurst on August 15, 2021, 04:23:34 PM
Quote from: Caedal on August 14, 2021, 05:06:39 PM
I might be in the minority but I really want Seri and Anguissa to stay
You are
In my humble opinion, the only people that would not want both of these players in a championship team would be the type of fans who no very little about football or the type of pundits that think Scott Parker is a great coach or people that believe everything they read on twitter. And, I do accept that there are a few of those type of people that are on here.
I'm just the a voice for the rest of us. Or, to put another way, someone that doesn't talk nonsense about what he knows nothing about.
Just to add some detail. The sort of people I describe are the sort of people that think Ian Holloway would make a good Fulham manager, or people like, Ian Holloway.
Bruno Paz?
Dedicated CDM (which we currently don't have on our roster)...but with almost no top tier Portuguese experience.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 16, 2021, 02:18:13 AM
Bruno Paz?
Dedicated CDM (which we currently don't have on our roster)...but with almost no top tier Portuguese experience.
But he also likely to be a player Silva has asked for rather than someone our DoF is pursuing. Which is how I would prefer it to be.
While I can see the logic that underpins a club's DoF having the responsibility for recruiting players: to prevent a change of manager leading to a costly - and unnecessary, even - overhaul of the playing squad, I favour the appointment of a manager - Silva being an excellent choice, in my opinion - who can embrace the Club's desired style of play, yet who is then trusted to know which players will help to achieve success. The DoF would negotiate transfers, of course, but the new additions would be the manager's picks.
I welcome anything that seemingly moves us in this direction.
If FFP allows it of course I want Anguissa & Seri to stay. Who wouldn't want to keep them top players at this level will be so hard to bring better in
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 16, 2021, 02:18:13 AM
Bruno Paz?
Dedicated CDM (which we currently don't have on our roster)...but with almost no top tier Portuguese experience.
We certainly have a dedicated CDM in our squad, that would be Harrison Reed (not sure about a "roster" though).
Someone has to be sold that's general census and those 2 players don't normally hang around in adversity.
Quote from: Whitestone on August 15, 2021, 10:43:38 PM
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Quote from: Fernhurst on August 15, 2021, 04:23:34 PM
Quote from: Caedal on August 14, 2021, 05:06:39 PM
I might be in the minority but I really want Seri and Anguissa to stay
You are
He's not
I hope Anguissa and Seri both stay.
A lot of fans love Reed, Cairney and Onamah; I admit all three may be better than Seri when they actually play, but Seri injury record is so good that Wednesday could be the 5th game Seri has missed through injury in this entire career, but knowing him he'll recover from his injury by the Milwall game.
In comparison, I expect doubt Reed, Onamah and Cairney will all be fit for five games this entire season. Seri is possibly one of the most important players this season, even if he is not a star.
Seri can play as a 6.8, 10 or off the bench; so much better than our other midfielders that their most frequent position is rehab.
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Quote from: Caedal on August 14, 2021, 05:06:39 PM
I might be in the minority but I really want Seri and Anguissa to stay
You are
He's not
I hope Anguissa and Seri both stay.
Agree, both class above at this level
I've literally just been told don't expect Anguissa to stay. Been told a premier league club are expected to bid this week. Probably today or tomorrow but if I hear anything else I will let you know
That will be the Villa/Arsenal rumours that have been circulating for about a week finally hitting your source then
Quote from: Statto on August 16, 2021, 01:43:18 PM
That will be the Villa/Arsenal rumours that have been circulating for about a week finally hitting your source then
The rumours have been circulating yes, however, I've been told a physical bid is expected in the next 24 - 48 hours
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 16, 2021, 01:51:28 PM
Quote from: Statto on August 16, 2021, 01:43:18 PM
That will be the Villa/Arsenal rumours that have been circulating for about a week finally hitting your source then
The rumours have been circulating yes, however, I've been told a physical bid is expected in the next 24 - 48 hours
Anything about us getting more signings in WSW?
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 16, 2021, 01:51:28 PM
Quote from: Statto on August 16, 2021, 01:43:18 PM
That will be the Villa/Arsenal rumours that have been circulating for about a week finally hitting your source then
The rumours have been circulating yes, however, I've been told a physical bid is expected in the next 24 - 48 hours
On Friday you said "So been told this morning, Anguissa is in advanced talks about a permanent move away, he has agreed terms, and the club are just trying to agree the fee with the buying club. Seri likely to be off (possibly Galatasaray for a couple of million), if we can't sell him, we are looking at how much it would cost to terminate his contract to save his wages. Again I can't say which Club Anguissa is talking too, but its a fairly big club and the fee will likely be between 18-20 million".
It seems rare for someone that has agreed terms with another club to then play on the saturday, especially if the selling club stand to lose £18-£20m!
I will chose my words carefully, so I suggest that your source is lying to you and from the intel on managers, has been all along.
FWIW, I do think Anguissa will be sold this window, but I'd suggest that the timing of your "intel", prior to him playing on Saturday, showed your intel as incorrect.
Can I point out that the rumours and intel on here are likely genuine. This does not mean they are true and things change. So instead of always questioning the messenger. Just go with it or ignore it. But until anything is official it is all at best informed speculation.
Personally I enjoy reading it but have yet to be upset when it doesn't always prove to be accurate.
I didn't think we could afford to hold on to Frank this season FFP also he wants out anyway.
Quote from: Jim© on August 16, 2021, 01:59:13 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 16, 2021, 01:51:28 PM
Quote from: Statto on August 16, 2021, 01:43:18 PM
That will be the Villa/Arsenal rumours that have been circulating for about a week finally hitting your source then
The rumours have been circulating yes, however, I've been told a physical bid is expected in the next 24 - 48 hours
On Friday you said "So been told this morning, Anguissa is in advanced talks about a permanent move away, he has agreed terms, and the club are just trying to agree the fee with the buying club. Seri likely to be off (possibly Galatasaray for a couple of million), if we can't sell him, we are looking at how much it would cost to terminate his contract to save his wages. Again I can't say which Club Anguissa is talking too, but its a fairly big club and the fee will likely be between 18-20 million".
It seems rare for someone that has agreed terms with another club to then play on the saturday, especially if the selling club stand to lose £18-£20m!
I will chose my words carefully, so I suggest that your source is lying to you and from the intel on managers, has been all along.
FWIW, I do think Anguissa will be sold this window, but I'd suggest that the timing of your "intel", prior to him playing on Saturday, showed your intel as incorrect.
Yes I can explain this, Anguissa has still agreed terms with this club, that hasn't changed. But said club have so far, not met our valuations. Therefore until he a subsequent offer meets our valuation, he is available. The offer last week was, as far as I'm aware, 4 million pounds below the asking price.
This is the 'Silly Season Transfer Thread' not the 'Serious and everything has to be legit Transfer Thread'.
We welcome all types of information in here, so please take this thread as it is, and refrain from mocking, or being abusive towards other members.
We should all know by now how things change with transfers, often last minute, often agent driven asking for more money, brinkmanship, the whole works. All things are possible and I for one really enjoy WSW posts and all the other ITK people we have had in the past and have now. Nobody at the club can be certain of what will happen so it's pretty difficult for any ITK to always get it right.
Heard we are close to a deal for a young Southampton striker.
Journo friend told me.
DSTM
Quote from: FulhamStu on August 16, 2021, 03:43:35 PM
We should all know by now how things change with transfers, often last minute, often agent driven asking for more money, brinkmanship, the whole works. All things are possible and I for one really enjoy WSW posts and all the other ITK people we have had in the past and have now. Nobody at the club can be certain of what will happen so it's pretty difficult for any ITK to always get it right.
Spot on. Well said.
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 16, 2021, 03:46:30 PM
Heard we are close to a deal for a young Southampton striker.
Journo friend told me.
DSTM
Obafemi?
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1427284628579180544
Deal Done
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Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 16, 2021, 03:46:30 PM
Heard we are close to a deal for a young Southampton striker.
Journo friend told me.
DSTM
Obafemi?
Must be, TalkSport journo linked us to him on Friday and FootballLeagueWorld (gutter tier of rumours but still) ran an exclusive story on it today
https://twitter.com/ARIS__FC/status/1427293403264528391
Gone, finally
The Muniz deal appears to be done and the rumours surrounding Obafemi seem genuine.... Does anybody else worry this may mean Mitro will be off?? I like the sound of Muniz and I really like what I have seen from Obafemi, strong quick hard working... I would be happy with them to upfront, I just think we wouldn't signing two strikers if Mitro is staying, a little weird.
Like I said, if someone offered 25m for Mitro I think we take it. But I can't see that happening and he seemed to enjoy it on Saturday.
Can Muniz/Obafemi play on the wing do we know
Muniz is 20 and O'bafemi is 21. These are speculative investments, and different types of strikers than Mitro. They've only scored a handful of senior goals between them. They'll possibly play alongside Mitro if we're chasing a game (I think we may see Muniz quite a bit), or replace him late when we're holding a lead and want to have some pace to keep the opposition defenders occupied. I believe Silva wants to keep Mitro in the team and in the center of our attack
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Quote from: FulhamStu on August 16, 2021, 03:43:35 PM
We should all know by now how things change with transfers, often last minute, often agent driven asking for more money, brinkmanship, the whole works. All things are possible and I for one really enjoy WSW posts and all the other ITK people we have had in the past and have now. Nobody at the club can be certain of what will happen so it's pretty difficult for any ITK to always get it right.
Spot on. Well said.
Totally agree, just enjoy the rumours.
Quote from: PaulJ123 on August 16, 2021, 05:20:36 PM
Like I said, if someone offered 25m for Mitro I think we take it. But I can't see that happening and he seemed to enjoy it on Saturday.
Can Muniz/Obafemi play on the wing do we know
Definitely nor selling mitro for me in a decade of Sundays. What a thought. Do you want guaranteed goals and to get promoted? Why would you sell such a proven asset. Its why we spent so much on him in the first place.
Don't forget we didn't get out of the championship for years even though we attempted cherry picking all the best strikers in the league at the time, Chris Martin, Ross mccormack. You can't buy that level of quality and commitment to the club these days. Absurd to sell him. Especially when in Silva we may have a manager who'd know how to make the best of him and the rest of our attack if we were to be promoted. Sorry, know that's a strong opinion I hold but feel you've approached this with a relatively short term view point.. both historically and re the clubs future.
He's not washed up or no good. He wasn't played last season in the premiership and clearly had somewhat of a fallout with Parker, before that he scored 26 goals in the league we're currently in. There are clear and evident reasons why he didn't perform last season. Has nothing to do with his quality and ability to produce results, especially at this level.
Mitros record for us, despite two relegation seasons is averaging just and I mean JUST below a goal every other game and he's only 26. Plenty more to come from him. He also loves the club.
Where's loyalty these days to good players.
Quote from: Cookie6262 on August 16, 2021, 04:49:10 PM
The Muniz deal appears to be done and the rumours surrounding Obafemi seem genuine.... Does anybody else worry this may mean Mitro will be off?? I like the sound of Muniz and I really like what I have seen from Obafemi, strong quick hard working... I would be happy with them to upfront, I just think we wouldn't signing two strikers if Mitro is staying, a little weird.
Added depth. It's going to be a long seasons.
Also we need a ready-made squad for the premier league (if we are to promote) and having three strikers adapted into the team helps with that.
Good points about Martin and McCormack.
Quote from: ZM15 on August 16, 2021, 05:37:30 PM
Quote from: Cookie6262 on August 16, 2021, 04:49:10 PM
The Muniz deal appears to be done and the rumours surrounding Obafemi seem genuine.... Does anybody else worry this may mean Mitro will be off?? I like the sound of Muniz and I really like what I have seen from Obafemi, strong quick hard working... I would be happy with them to upfront, I just think we wouldn't signing two strikers if Mitro is staying, a little weird.
Added depth. It's going to be a long seasons.
Also we need a ready-made squad for the premier league (if we are to promote) and having three strikers adapted into the team helps with that.
Welcome to the board ZM15. Agreed. If anyone were to go it would be knockaert and kamara which seems to be happening anyway. So two for two.
Quote from: General on August 16, 2021, 05:36:04 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on August 16, 2021, 05:20:36 PM
Like I said, if someone offered 25m for Mitro I think we take it. But I can't see that happening and he seemed to enjoy it on Saturday.
Can Muniz/Obafemi play on the wing do we know
Definitely nor selling mitro for me in a decade of Sundays. What a thought. Do you want guaranteed goals and to get promoted? Why would you sell such a proven asset. Its why we spent so much on him in the first place.
Don't forget we didn't get out of the championship for years even though we attempted cherry picking all the best strikers in the league at the time, Chris Martin, Ross mccormack. You can't buy that level of quality and commitment to the club these days. Absurd to sell him. Especially when in Silva we may have a manager who'd know how to make the best of him and the rest of our attack if we were to be promoted. Sorry, know that's a strong opinion I hold but feel you've approached this with a relatively short term view point.. both historically and re the clubs future.
He's not washed up or no good. He wasn't played last season in the premiership and clearly had somewhat of a fallout with Parker, before that he scored 26 goals in the league we're currently in. There are clear and evident reasons why he didn't perform last season. Has nothing to do with his quality and ability to produce results, especially at this level.
Mitros record for us, despite two relegation seasons is averaging just and I mean JUST below a goal every other game and he's only 26. Plenty more to come from him. He also loves the club.
Where's loyalty these days to good players.
I didn't say I'd take it, I said I think we'd take it.
I love Mitro but equally, he hasn't looked himself for the best part of a year now. But overall, no I wouldn't get rid of him.
Quote from: PaulJ123 on August 16, 2021, 05:43:25 PM
Quote from: General on August 16, 2021, 05:36:04 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on August 16, 2021, 05:20:36 PM
Like I said, if someone offered 25m for Mitro I think we take it. But I can't see that happening and he seemed to enjoy it on Saturday.
Can Muniz/Obafemi play on the wing do we know
Definitely nor selling mitro for me in a decade of Sundays. What a thought. Do you want guaranteed goals and to get promoted? Why would you sell such a proven asset. Its why we spent so much on him in the first place.
Don't forget we didn't get out of the championship for years even though we attempted cherry picking all the best strikers in the league at the time, Chris Martin, Ross mccormack. You can't buy that level of quality and commitment to the club these days. Absurd to sell him. Especially when in Silva we may have a manager who'd know how to make the best of him and the rest of our attack if we were to be promoted. Sorry, know that's a strong opinion I hold but feel you've approached this with a relatively short term view point.. both historically and re the clubs future.
He's not washed up or no good. He wasn't played last season in the premiership and clearly had somewhat of a fallout with Parker, before that he scored 26 goals in the league we're currently in. There are clear and evident reasons why he didn't perform last season. Has nothing to do with his quality and ability to produce results, especially at this level.
Mitros record for us, despite two relegation seasons is averaging just and I mean JUST below a goal every other game and he's only 26. Plenty more to come from him. He also loves the club.
Where's loyalty these days to good players.
I didn't say I'd take it, I said I think we'd take it.
I love Mitro but equally, he hasn't looked himself for the best part of a year now. But overall, no I wouldn't get rid of him.
Hardly anyone in the world has looked themselves over the last year, what with a global pandemic going on. Parker as a manager wasn't good at getting the most out of attacking players either.
Let's give it a bit more time. I'd be very surprised if we got rid of mitro. We don't need to sell him and he's a key player for us and proven. Likely to say bye to abou and Knockaert and then the likes of neeskens before mitro is considered. Would be completely counterproductive to get rid of a player like him considering how hard they are to come by.
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on August 16, 2021, 05:25:29 PM
Muniz is 20 and O'bafemi is 21. These are speculative investments, and different types of strikers than Mitro. They've only scored a handful of senior goals between them. They'll possibly play alongside Mitro if we're chasing a game (I think we may see Muniz quite a bit), or replace him late when we're holding a lead and want to have some pace to keep the opposition defenders occupied. I believe Silva wants to keep Mitro in the team and in the center of our attack
Muniz is signed now I believe obafemi is still speculation, but as abou has gone we are currently in the same situation with 2 strikers. But I agree with what you have said above and feel it is a decent gamble by us.
Did I miss something or was it just speculation on this board that Mitro fell out with Parker.
Mitro missed a penalty against Scotland that would have sent his country to the Euros, he also missed a very important penalty for us, his confidence was shot and it showed with his performances for us, perhaps his relationship with Parker did deteriorate over last season but he seems to have got his mojo back and after his flukey goal on Saturday he seems up for it.
I also think that not many teams would pay good money for him on last season's performance.
Quote from: Steven Ageroad on August 16, 2021, 08:39:01 PM
Did I miss something or was it just speculation on this board that Mitro fell out with Parker.
Mitro missed a penalty against Scotland that would have sent his country to the Euros, he also missed a very important penalty for us, his confidence was shot and it showed with his performances for us, perhaps his relationship with Parker did deteriorate over last season but he seems to have got his mojo back and after his flukey goal on Saturday he seems up for it.
I also think that not many teams would pay good money for him on last season's performance.
Just realised I should have posted this comment on "Mitro Enough" sorry.
Quote from: Cookie6262 on August 16, 2021, 04:49:10 PM
The Muniz deal appears to be done and the rumours surrounding Obafemi seem genuine.... Does anybody else worry this may mean Mitro will be off?? I like the sound of Muniz and I really like what I have seen from Obafemi, strong quick hard working... I would be happy with them to upfront, I just think we wouldn't signing two strikers if Mitro is staying, a little weird.
Don't think Muniz is a replacement for Mitrovic for the simple reason that Muniz is nowhere near that calibre of player. Going on the highlight reels which are pretty shocking, I don't even expect Muniz to be starting regularly this season. He's going to cost us about £6m, Mitrovic cost about 4 x as much, and there's a reason for that. You get what you pay for. I think anyone expecting more is going to be severely disappointed. In terms of quality level, Muniz is going to be more around AK47's level, albeit with the advantages that (a) he's younger so has more potential to improve and (b) if/when he stands in for Mitrovic, it will be as the same type of player, so we won't need to fundamentally change our tactics.
Quote from: Steven Ageroad on August 16, 2021, 08:39:01 PM
Did I miss something or was it just speculation on this board that Mitro fell out with Parker.
No he really did, as confirmed by the man himself in clear terms during a long interview with a Serbian newspaper last autumn. The phrase I particularly recall from Mitro-- as translated -- was that their relationship was "beyond repair." The relevant sentences were translated for some of us at the time, on the condition that we kept quiet while both remained at the club. FFC comms were also alerted, as a warning in case our media picked up on the interview. (Less likely that our journos spoke Serbo-Croat than that a Belgrade one try to would cash in here.) Whether there was or wasn't any "repair" to relations later, can only guess, but he does look visibly perkier now.
Quote from: b+w geezer on August 17, 2021, 01:11:27 PM
Quote from: Steven Ageroad on August 16, 2021, 08:39:01 PM
Did I miss something or was it just speculation on this board that Mitro fell out with Parker.
No he really did, as confirmed by the man himself in clear terms during a long interview with a Serbian newspaper last autumn. The phrase I particularly recall from Mitro-- as translated -- was that their relationship was "beyond repair." The relevant sentences were translated for some of us at the time, on the condition that we kept quiet while both remained at the club. FFC comms were also alerted, as a warning in case our media picked up on the interview. (Less likely that our journos spoke Serbo-Croat than that a Belgrade one try to would cash in here.) Whether there was or wasn't any "repair" to relations later, can only guess, but he does look visibly perkier now.
Interested to read this. Do you know where we could find a link?
Quote from: b+w geezer on August 17, 2021, 01:11:27 PM
Quote from: Steven Ageroad on August 16, 2021, 08:39:01 PM
Did I miss something or was it just speculation on this board that Mitro fell out with Parker.
No he really did, as confirmed by the man himself in clear terms during a long interview with a Serbian newspaper last autumn. The phrase I particularly recall from Mitro-- as translated -- was that their relationship was "beyond repair." The relevant sentences were translated for some of us at the time, on the condition that we kept quiet while both remained at the club. FFC comms were also alerted, as a warning in case our media picked up on the interview. (Less likely that our journos spoke Serbo-Croat than that a Belgrade one try to would cash in here.) Whether there was or wasn't any "repair" to relations later, can only guess, but he does look visibly perkier now.
Thanks for the confirmation and the interview details. Lots of fans thought that Parker was going to be our saviour at the start of the season but his style of play soon produced negative results and at the end of the season left under a cloud, I wonder what sort of reception Parker will receive when he comes to us with Bournemouth?
Quote from: Steven Ageroad on August 17, 2021, 01:39:15 PM
Quote from: b+w geezer on August 17, 2021, 01:11:27 PM
Quote from: Steven Ageroad on August 16, 2021, 08:39:01 PM
Did I miss something or was it just speculation on this board that Mitro fell out with Parker.
No he really did, as confirmed by the man himself in clear terms during a long interview with a Serbian newspaper last autumn. The phrase I particularly recall from Mitro-- as translated -- was that their relationship was "beyond repair." The relevant sentences were translated for some of us at the time, on the condition that we kept quiet while both remained at the club. FFC comms were also alerted, as a warning in case our media picked up on the interview. (Less likely that our journos spoke Serbo-Croat than that a Belgrade one try to would cash in here.) Whether there was or wasn't any "repair" to relations later, can only guess, but he does look visibly perkier now.
Thanks for the confirmation and the interview details. Lots of fans thought that Parker was going to be our saviour at the start of the season but his style of play soon produced negative results and at the end of the season left under a cloud, I wonder what sort of reception Parker will receive when he comes to us with Bournemouth?
I would be disappointed if Parker gets anything less than a respectful reception from our fans. It didn't quite work out last season, and I realise his exit left something of a bad taste for some, but all in all he's no enemy of the club.
Quote from: bencher on August 17, 2021, 01:47:39 PM
Quote from: Steven Ageroad on August 17, 2021, 01:39:15 PM
Quote from: b+w geezer on August 17, 2021, 01:11:27 PM
Quote from: Steven Ageroad on August 16, 2021, 08:39:01 PM
Did I miss something or was it just speculation on this board that Mitro fell out with Parker.
No he really did, as confirmed by the man himself in clear terms during a long interview with a Serbian newspaper last autumn. The phrase I particularly recall from Mitro-- as translated -- was that their relationship was "beyond repair." The relevant sentences were translated for some of us at the time, on the condition that we kept quiet while both remained at the club. FFC comms were also alerted, as a warning in case our media picked up on the interview. (Less likely that our journos spoke Serbo-Croat than that a Belgrade one try to would cash in here.) Whether there was or wasn't any "repair" to relations later, can only guess, but he does look visibly perkier now.
Thanks for the confirmation and the interview details. Lots of fans thought that Parker was going to be our saviour at the start of the season but his style of play soon produced negative results and at the end of the season left under a cloud, I wonder what sort of reception Parker will receive when he comes to us with Bournemouth?
I would be disappointed if Parker gets anything less than a respectful reception from our fans. It didn't quite work out last season, and I realise his exit left something of a bad taste for some, but all in all he's no enemy of the club.
I think given the way he left and the way he took digs at the hierarchy and treated some of this team, he's one person who I wouldn't mind booing myself.
Would absolutely love Mitro to score against Bournemouth.
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Did I miss something or was it just speculation on this board that Mitro fell out with Parker.
No he really did, as confirmed by the man himself in clear terms during a long interview with a Serbian newspaper last autumn. The phrase I particularly recall from Mitro-- as translated -- was that their relationship was "beyond repair." The relevant sentences were translated for some of us at the time, on the condition that we kept quiet while both remained at the club. FFC comms were also alerted, as a warning in case our media picked up on the interview. (Less likely that our journos spoke Serbo-Croat than that a Belgrade one try to would cash in here.) Whether there was or wasn't any "repair" to relations later, can only guess, but he does look visibly perkier now.
Thanks for the confirmation and the interview details. Lots of fans thought that Parker was going to be our saviour at the start of the season but his style of play soon produced negative results and at the end of the season left under a cloud, I wonder what sort of reception Parker will receive when he comes to us with Bournemouth?
I would be disappointed if Parker gets anything less than a respectful reception from our fans. It didn't quite work out last season, and I realise his exit left something of a bad taste for some, but all in all he's no enemy of the club.
I think given the way he left and the way he took digs at the hierarchy and treated some of this team, he's one person who I wouldn't mind booing myself.
Would absolutely love Mitro to score against Bournemouth.
:plus one:
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Did I miss something or was it just speculation on this board that Mitro fell out with Parker.
No he really did, as confirmed by the man himself in clear terms during a long interview with a Serbian newspaper last autumn. The phrase I particularly recall from Mitro-- as translated -- was that their relationship was "beyond repair." The relevant sentences were translated for some of us at the time, on the condition that we kept quiet while both remained at the club. FFC comms were also alerted, as a warning in case our media picked up on the interview. (Less likely that our journos spoke Serbo-Croat than that a Belgrade one try to would cash in here.) Whether there was or wasn't any "repair" to relations later, can only guess, but he does look visibly perkier now.
Thanks for the confirmation and the interview details. Lots of fans thought that Parker was going to be our saviour at the start of the season but his style of play soon produced negative results and at the end of the season left under a cloud, I wonder what sort of reception Parker will receive when he comes to us with Bournemouth?
I would be disappointed if Parker gets anything less than a respectful reception from our fans. It didn't quite work out last season, and I realise his exit left something of a bad taste for some, but all in all he's no enemy of the club.
I think given the way he left and the way he took digs at the hierarchy and treated some of this team, he's one person who I wouldn't mind booing myself.
Would absolutely love Mitro to score against Bournemouth.
I suspect and hope Mitro will as well.
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Did I miss something or was it just speculation on this board that Mitro fell out with Parker.
No he really did, as confirmed by the man himself in clear terms during a long interview with a Serbian newspaper last autumn. The phrase I particularly recall from Mitro-- as translated -- was that their relationship was "beyond repair." The relevant sentences were translated for some of us at the time, on the condition that we kept quiet while both remained at the club. FFC comms were also alerted, as a warning in case our media picked up on the interview. (Less likely that our journos spoke Serbo-Croat than that a Belgrade one try to would cash in here.) Whether there was or wasn't any "repair" to relations later, can only guess, but he does look visibly perkier now.
Thanks for the confirmation and the interview details. Lots of fans thought that Parker was going to be our saviour at the start of the season but his style of play soon produced negative results and at the end of the season left under a cloud, I wonder what sort of reception Parker will receive when he comes to us with Bournemouth?
I would be disappointed if Parker gets anything less than a respectful reception from our fans. It didn't quite work out last season, and I realise his exit left something of a bad taste for some, but all in all he's no enemy of the club.
I think given the way he left and the way he took digs at the hierarchy and treated some of this team, he's one person who I wouldn't mind booing myself.
Would absolutely love Mitro to score against Bournemouth.
With respect, that type of attitude is more akin to the Milwall fans who are much derided on another thread. I would think and hope we are better than that.
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Did I miss something or was it just speculation on this board that Mitro fell out with Parker.
No he really did, as confirmed by the man himself in clear terms during a long interview with a Serbian newspaper last autumn. The phrase I particularly recall from Mitro-- as translated -- was that their relationship was "beyond repair." The relevant sentences were translated for some of us at the time, on the condition that we kept quiet while both remained at the club. FFC comms were also alerted, as a warning in case our media picked up on the interview. (Less likely that our journos spoke Serbo-Croat than that a Belgrade one try to would cash in here.) Whether there was or wasn't any "repair" to relations later, can only guess, but he does look visibly perkier now.
Thanks for the confirmation and the interview details. Lots of fans thought that Parker was going to be our saviour at the start of the season but his style of play soon produced negative results and at the end of the season left under a cloud, I wonder what sort of reception Parker will receive when he comes to us with Bournemouth?
I would be disappointed if Parker gets anything less than a respectful reception from our fans. It didn't quite work out last season, and I realise his exit left something of a bad taste for some, but all in all he's no enemy of the club.
I think given the way he left and the way he took digs at the hierarchy and treated some of this team, he's one person who I wouldn't mind booing myself.
Would absolutely love Mitro to score against Bournemouth.
With respect, that type of attitude is more akin to the Milwall fans who are much derided on another thread. I would think and hope we are better than that.
The words "With respect, normally indicate without respect."
Never understood why people use the phrase.
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Did I miss something or was it just speculation on this board that Mitro fell out with Parker.
No he really did, as confirmed by the man himself in clear terms during a long interview with a Serbian newspaper last autumn. The phrase I particularly recall from Mitro-- as translated -- was that their relationship was "beyond repair." The relevant sentences were translated for some of us at the time, on the condition that we kept quiet while both remained at the club. FFC comms were also alerted, as a warning in case our media picked up on the interview. (Less likely that our journos spoke Serbo-Croat than that a Belgrade one try to would cash in here.) Whether there was or wasn't any "repair" to relations later, can only guess, but he does look visibly perkier now.
Thanks for the confirmation and the interview details. Lots of fans thought that Parker was going to be our saviour at the start of the season but his style of play soon produced negative results and at the end of the season left under a cloud, I wonder what sort of reception Parker will receive when he comes to us with Bournemouth?
I would be disappointed if Parker gets anything less than a respectful reception from our fans. It didn't quite work out last season, and I realise his exit left something of a bad taste for some, but all in all he's no enemy of the club.
I think given the way he left and the way he took digs at the hierarchy and treated some of this team, he's one person who I wouldn't mind booing myself.
Would absolutely love Mitro to score against Bournemouth.
With respect, that type of attitude is more akin to the Milwall fans who are much derided on another thread. I would think and hope we are better than that.
The words "With respect, normally indicate without respect."
Never understood why people use the phrase.
With respect, it is used to make clear that you are disagreeing with a statement and not attacking the person that made the statement. I see nothing wrong with respectful debate and I disagree that using that expression indicates a lack of respect.
Any transfer news?
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Did I miss something or was it just speculation on this board that Mitro fell out with Parker.
No he really did, as confirmed by the man himself in clear terms during a long interview with a Serbian newspaper last autumn. The phrase I particularly recall from Mitro-- as translated -- was that their relationship was "beyond repair." The relevant sentences were translated for some of us at the time, on the condition that we kept quiet while both remained at the club. FFC comms were also alerted, as a warning in case our media picked up on the interview. (Less likely that our journos spoke Serbo-Croat than that a Belgrade one try to would cash in here.) Whether there was or wasn't any "repair" to relations later, can only guess, but he does look visibly perkier now.
Thanks for the confirmation and the interview details. Lots of fans thought that Parker was going to be our saviour at the start of the season but his style of play soon produced negative results and at the end of the season left under a cloud, I wonder what sort of reception Parker will receive when he comes to us with Bournemouth?
I would be disappointed if Parker gets anything less than a respectful reception from our fans. It didn't quite work out last season, and I realise his exit left something of a bad taste for some, but all in all he's no enemy of the club.
I think given the way he left and the way he took digs at the hierarchy and treated some of this team, he's one person who I wouldn't mind booing myself.
Would absolutely love Mitro to score against Bournemouth.
With respect, that type of attitude is more akin to the Milwall fans who are much derided on another thread. I would think and hope we are better than that.
The words "With respect, normally indicate without respect."
Never understood why people use the phrase.
Exactly this, or in its fullest term "with all due respect"....I personally wouldn't boo Parker but I agree with the rest of Paul J123's comments. Is the supposed kinship with Millwall fans solely regarding the booing aspect? I wouldn't boo a team for taking the knee but then I wouldn't applaud them either. Apart from that I fail to see any comparison regarding very valid points regarding Parker, specifically for the reasons mentioned, with comments posted in the "View from Millwall" thread...
It would be better to greet Parker with absolute quietness. He will take that knowing what the fans think of him now.
Parker will be getting nothing but pelters from me.
Tried to hold the club to ransom to force a move to Bournemouth (even though club wanted to keep him).
Parker looks after himself. His media image is nothing like his actual persona.
Ah good. Parker. Again.
So now the silly season transfer thread has become a bash Parker thread, super.
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Interested to read this. Do you know where we could find a link?
Would prefer to leave it there if you don't mind, as water under the bridge, but should correct my report that the interview was in the autumn -- revisiting the email I was sent about it (containing no link, just some extracts) I find it was later in the season.
Let's get back on track ... anyone heard anything about Grimes that isn't in the public domain?
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Let's get back on track ... anyone heard anything about Grimes that isn't in the public domain?
Combination of various things:
We agreed a deal with Swansea
Medical was scheduled
We tried reorganising deal with Swansea (pay later...)
Grimes asked for an amount equivalent to as if he was signing on a free transfer
Expect that and loads of others to run until deadline day....remeber Baumgartl last year?
DSTM
Tosin being linked with Southampton and Norwich again. If he has any sense he will look at the bigger picture and stay where he is.
Cheers Unionist 👍🍻
Sorry for making this thread into this but this is harsh to liken me to what the Millwall fans said on the other thread.
I'm not saying I would boo him but just that I think it's understandable if he didn't get the best reception given everything that happened.
Quote from: sarnian on August 17, 2021, 04:45:20 PM
Tosin being linked with Southampton and Norwich again. If he has any sense he will look at the bigger picture and stay where he is.
If we can get money for him I would take it.
I think he is soft, despite his stature, and easily bullied.
If we could get £15 million or more I would take it as he is in the last year of his contract next year
Turn your back on this thread for 24 hrs and you miss an entire page.......of Parker bashing.
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 17, 2021, 03:48:35 PM
Parker will be getting nothing but pelters from me.
Tried to hold the club to ransom to force a move to Bournemouth (even though club wanted to keep him).
Parker looks after himself. His media image is nothing like his actual persona.
+1
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Quote from: sarnian on August 17, 2021, 04:45:20 PM
Tosin being linked with Southampton and Norwich again. If he has any sense he will look at the bigger picture and stay where he is.
If we can get money for him I would take it.
I think he is soft, despite his stature, and easily bullied.
If we could get £15 million or more I would take it as he is in the last year of his contract next year
+1
Idiotic to even think of selling Tosin. He is one of our key players & will get better & better. I don´t care how much is offered, tell them to jog on.
https://twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1427662610661511169?s=21
We were linked with N'zola last season too right? Just that he was named as French back then as he hadn't played at national level yet.
Quote from: grandad on August 17, 2021, 05:09:56 PM
Idiotic to even think of selling Tosin. He is one of our key players & will get better & better. I don´t care how much is offered, tell them to jog on.
Fully agree with you Grandad, look at all the trouble we have had in finding decent center backs since Hangeland and Hughes left. Now that we have a decent one let us not let him go.
Quote from: sarnian on August 17, 2021, 04:45:20 PM
Tosin being linked with Southampton and Norwich again. If he has any sense he will look at the bigger picture and stay where he is.
I can see him going to Saints and us getting Obafemi as part of the deal. I just hope we get a suitable replacement in the CB position.
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Quote from: sarnian on August 17, 2021, 04:45:20 PM
Tosin being linked with Southampton and Norwich again. If he has any sense he will look at the bigger picture and stay where he is.
I can see him going to Saints and us getting Obafemi as part of the deal. I just hope we get a suitable replacement in the CB position.
I don't reckon Saints will pay whatever e want though, we will ask for 20 mill or so. I don't reckon they will pay that. They may surprise us, but there are cheaper alternatives out there for them
So where are we regarding transfers,
All last season's loan players gone, Stefjo, K Mac, and AK gone, Gazz and Wilson in. Do we need to offload more, Seri and Anguissa in particular before we bring anymore in.
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Tosin being linked with Southampton and Norwich again. If he has any sense he will look at the bigger picture and stay where he is.
I can see him going to Saints and us getting Obafemi as part of the deal. I just hope we get a suitable replacement in the CB position.
I don't reckon Saints will pay whatever e want though, we will ask for 20 mill or so. I don't reckon they will pay that. They may surprise us, but there are cheaper alternatives out there for them
I hope we do hold out for as much as we can out of Saints. If they want him they will have to cough up £16m or more. They played hardball with us over Targett a couple of seasons back so let's do the same to them.
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Tosin being linked with Southampton and Norwich again. If he has any sense he will look at the bigger picture and stay where he is.
I can see him going to Saints and us getting Obafemi as part of the deal. I just hope we get a suitable replacement in the CB position.
I don't reckon Saints will pay whatever e want though, we will ask for 20 mill or so. I don't reckon they will pay that. They may surprise us, but there are cheaper alternatives out there for them
I hope we do hold out for as much as we can out of Saints. If they want him they will have to cough up £16m or more. They played hardball with us over Targett a couple of seasons back so let's do the same to them.
I'm quite worried about the Saints rumour. He sound's like a bright guy so I cant see him demanding a move to Norwich which are quite likely to get relegated. Saints is another story, I don't think they will go down and its possible that he will get the available spot in their starting 11... I dont like this one bit!
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Quote from: sarnian on August 17, 2021, 04:45:20 PM
Tosin being linked with Southampton and Norwich again. If he has any sense he will look at the bigger picture and stay where he is.
I can see him going to Saints and us getting Obafemi as part of the deal. I just hope we get a suitable replacement in the CB position.
I don't reckon Saints will pay whatever e want though, we will ask for 20 mill or so. I don't reckon they will pay that. They may surprise us, but there are cheaper alternatives out there for them
I hope we do hold out for as much as we can out of Saints. If they want him they will have to cough up £16m or more. They played hardball with us over Targett a couple of seasons back so let's do the same to them.
I'm quite worried about the Saints rumour. He sound's like a bright guy so I cant see him demanding a move to Norwich which are quite likely to get relegated. Saints is another story, I don't think they will go down and its possible that he will get the available spot in their starting 11... I dont like this one bit!
I think Saints are one of the most likely teams to go down to be honest. Defence has always been suspect and they've lost Ings, Vestergaard and Bertrand. We'll see I guess but I just don't see them staying up. Worst team on paper I've seen from them in a long time.
Wouldn't make any sense for anyone to bid for Tosin now when he was available for £10m earlier in the summer. Can't see a PL team going for him anway, he's not PL standard yet
We're not getting rid of Tosin unless it's for a huge fee, and even then, I don't know that we'd take it. Can't rely on Ream + MLM/two long-term crocks to be the CB tandem. Tosin currently may be our most valuable -- in terms of value to the roster, as constructed -- player we have this season.
If he wants out for whatever reason, we can sell him next summer for a big price when more teams will have money and identified needs. We have an option on his contract for 2023-24, so he effectively has two seasons left on his contract after this one. https://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2020/october/Tosin-Adarabioyo-Signs/
Quote from: Statto on August 17, 2021, 10:56:03 PM
Wouldn't make any sense for anyone to bid for Tosin now when he was available for £10m earlier in the summer. Can't see a PL team going for him anway, he's not PL standard yet
Why would he want to leave anyway. He's in a squad brimming with confidence atm. He's still young. He should give us this season at least.
TK is being chirpy on twitter (as always after we win)
Claims he hasnt taken a step back at all with regards to his role at Fulham which is in contrast to some of the rumours on here over the summer
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 18, 2021, 10:10:14 AM
TK is being chirpy on twitter (as always after we win)
Claims he hasnt taken a step back at all with regards to his role at Fulham which is in contrast to some of the rumours on here over the summer
I thought the worst when I saw his stupid tweet thanking the "worldwide fans" after the Huddersfield win, after several months off Twitter. Just seen the reply to a fan. The man is an absolute moron. How does he not know by now just to STFU. The last thing we need is him derailing the season after a few games like he did last year, purely because his own ego won't let him read a rumour that he's stepped back without correcting it. And irrespective of the BS he comes out with, he patently has taken a step back because so many of the players we're being linked with now have a Silva flavour.
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Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 18, 2021, 10:10:14 AM
TK is being chirpy on twitter (as always after we win)
Claims he hasnt taken a step back at all with regards to his role at Fulham which is in contrast to some of the rumours on here over the summer
I thought the worst when I saw his stupid tweet thanking the "worldwide fans" after the Huddersfield win, after several months off Twitter. Just seen the reply to a fan. The man is an absolute moron. How does he not know by now just to STFU. The last thing we need is him derailing the season after a few games like he did last year, purely because his own ego won't let him read a rumour that he's stepped back without correcting it. And irrespective of the BS he comes out with, he patently has taken a step back because so many of the players we're being linked with now have a Silva flavour. FFS Shahid take this idiot's phone off him.
Agree with most of that - loves a celebrity fan. Richard Osman is the biggest fair weather supporter
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Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 18, 2021, 10:10:14 AM
TK is being chirpy on twitter (as always after we win)
Claims he hasnt taken a step back at all with regards to his role at Fulham which is in contrast to some of the rumours on here over the summer
I thought the worst when I saw his stupid tweet thanking the "worldwide fans" after the Huddersfield win, after several months off Twitter. Just seen the reply to a fan. The man is an absolute moron. How does he not know by now just to STFU. The last thing we need is him derailing the season after a few games like he did last year, purely because his own ego won't let him read a rumour that he's stepped back without correcting it. And irrespective of the BS he comes out with, he patently has taken a step back because so many of the players we're being linked with now have a Silva flavour.
:plus one:
Silva confirmed in the post-match interview that with AK47 gone we've only one striker, which isn't enough, and we'll look to bring another striker in at least. So presumably that will be Muniz.
Quote from: Statto on August 18, 2021, 10:59:55 AM
Silva confirmed in the post-match interview that with AK47 gone we've only one striker, which isn't enough, and we'll look to bring another striker in at least. So presumably that will be Muniz.
Think we will get Muniz and another on loan
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Quote from: Statto on August 18, 2021, 10:59:55 AM
Silva confirmed in the post-match interview that with AK47 gone we've only one striker, which isn't enough, and we'll look to bring another striker in at least. So presumably that will be Muniz.
Think we will get Muniz and another on loan
I'd hope so. With the amount of cloggers in this division you need plenty of backup.
Not FFC related but Bournemouth have sold Danjuma to Villerreal for 25 million. They are probably on the look out fo a striker/forward as well now. I know we have Muniz lined up maybe they will look at Obafemi the same as we are (if rumours are true)
https://twitter.com/peterrutzler/status/1427903024232554496?s=20
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https://twitter.com/peterrutzler/status/1427903024232554496?s=20
Excellent news if this comes off!
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https://twitter.com/peterrutzler/status/1427903024232554496?s=20
Could be the biggest signing of the summer
Really really hope he puts pen to paper. A great player for us and I think he'll really develop playing regularly in this team!
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Signing Fabio to a new contract is something I'd LOVE to see completed. As important as a new signing. I think Silva will have been working on this already, and that relationship will probably be key to getting him to agree to stay. Maybe it helps (as with Muniz) that he's Portuguese, because even though Fabio has been at Fulham since he was 13, his family all still speak Portuguese, so it might be nice for him to now have the manager and some coaching staff from his homeland
I thought we needed to sign a new creative midfielder, how wrong I was...
No chance Cairney gets anywhere near this team when he's back fit, Carvalho looks a class above!
Quote from: JoeS on August 18, 2021, 01:54:22 PM
I thought we needed to sign a new creative midfielder, how wrong I was...
No chance Cairney gets anywhere near this team when he's back fit, Carvalho looks a class above!
That's a big call! Cairney has shown himself to the best player in the division the last few years he's been in it. Still early days for young Fabio.
Siriki Dembele with 2 goals in 2 games already this season for the Posh.
Wonder if we're still interested
Quote from: JoeS on August 18, 2021, 01:54:22 PM
I thought we needed to sign a new creative midfielder, how wrong I was...
No chance Cairney gets anywhere near this team when he's back fit, Carvalho looks a class above!
Young players are often inconsistent, so we can't expect him to keep this up all season, besides there's a lot of games to play, we'll be relying on the whole squad.
Quote from: JoeS on August 18, 2021, 01:54:22 PM
I thought we needed to sign a new creative midfielder, how wrong I was...
No chance Cairney gets anywhere near this team when he's back fit, Carvalho looks a class above!
I think Cairney will more likely be competing with Seri for a place in the starting XI.
Quote from: Arthur on August 18, 2021, 02:29:40 PM
Quote from: JoeS on August 18, 2021, 01:54:22 PM
I thought we needed to sign a new creative midfielder, how wrong I was...
No chance Cairney gets anywhere near this team when he's back fit, Carvalho looks a class above!
I think Cairney will more likely be competing with Seri for a place in the starting XI.
Cairney is not a DMF. He does not like a tackle, especially with his recent injuries.
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Quote from: Arthur on August 18, 2021, 02:29:40 PM
I think Cairney will more likely be competing with Seri for a place in the starting XI.
Cairney is not a DMF. He does not like a tackle, especially with his recent injuries.
Maybe, as you say, Cairney's injury will dictate differently, but, to my eyes, what Cairney can bring to the team is more similar to Seri than Carvalho.
Quote from: junior white on August 18, 2021, 12:10:59 PM
Not FFC related but Bournemouth have sold Danjuma to Villerreal for 25 million. They are probably on the look out fo a striker/forward as well now. I know we have Muniz lined up maybe they will look at Obafemi the same as we are (if rumours are true)
Bournemouth bought Danjuma for 15 million.
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Quote from: NJFulham on August 18, 2021, 03:36:44 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 18, 2021, 12:10:59 PM
Not FFC related but Bournemouth have sold Danjuma to Villerreal for 25 million. They are probably on the look out fo a striker/forward as well now. I know we have Muniz lined up maybe they will look at Obafemi the same as we are (if rumours are true)
Bournemouth bought Danjuma for 15 million.
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He had to go, does not suit the Parker template. Sorry I couldn't resist.
Quote from: JoeS on August 18, 2021, 01:54:22 PM
I thought we needed to sign a new creative midfielder, how wrong I was...
No chance Cairney gets anywhere near this team when he's back fit, Carvalho looks a class above!
We still need an attacking midfielder because as good as Carvalho has been, he's only 18 so we don't want to put too much pressure on him, and if he's unable to play for whatever reason then we've not got another attacking midfielder to step in as things stand
Conor Hourihane from Villa on loan?
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 18, 2021, 05:22:55 PM
Conor Hourihane from Villa on loan?
Is this a suggestion or a rumour?
Give him a good contract could add a £100 million release clause
Want to clarify my earlier point! We still need Cairney and I hope he gets fit ASAP, but I no longer think we need a creative midfielder. Carvalho, Cairney, Onomah, Reid and Wilson can all play in the number 10 position. Priority after Muniz should be another midfielder to cover Reed in my opinion.
Assuming Zambo goes, Seri Onomah Reed Francois and another midfielder are fantastic options for the two midfielders in front of the defence.
That'll be Paz
I am not too sure TC can come back like the old TC. His knees must be worse than mine
Is his career finished already
No wonder he was using the disabled spot outside Costa Coffee in Cobham
Anyone heard anything new regarding Bruno Paz? Or any other potential incomings?
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 18, 2021, 05:48:30 PM
I am not too sure TC can come back like the old TC. His knees must be worse than mine
Is his career finished already
No wonder he was using the disabled spot outside Costa Coffee in Cobham
Very funny Sunbury.
Quote from: ianthailand on August 18, 2021, 05:52:08 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 18, 2021, 05:48:30 PM
I am not too sure TC can come back like the old TC. His knees must be worse than mine
Is his career finished already
No wonder he was using the disabled spot outside Costa Coffee in Cobham
Very funny Sunbury.
Agreed, that was a good one.
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/fulham-closing-in-on-major-boost-as-player-update-emerges-amid-transfer-speculation/
Rumour gathering pace....
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 18, 2021, 10:32:55 PM
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/fulham-closing-in-on-major-boost-as-player-update-emerges-amid-transfer-speculation/
Rumour gathering pace....
I've read the report in The Athletic and it doesn't say he's close to signing, it says talks are heading the right direction. Hopefully he will sign though.
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 18, 2021, 03:47:16 PM
Quote from: JoeS on August 18, 2021, 01:54:22 PM
I thought we needed to sign a new creative midfielder, how wrong I was...
No chance Cairney gets anywhere near this team when he's back fit, Carvalho looks a class above!
We still need an attacking midfielder because as good as Carvalho has been, he's only 18 so we don't want to put too much pressure on him, and if he's unable to play for whatever reason then we've not got another attacking midfielder to step in as things stand
Think the club are more likely to rely on BDR and Wilson in the backup 10 role than a new signing.
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 18, 2021, 03:47:16 PM
Quote from: JoeS on August 18, 2021, 01:54:22 PM
I thought we needed to sign a new creative midfielder, how wrong I was...
No chance Cairney gets anywhere near this team when he's back fit, Carvalho looks a class above!
We still need an attacking midfielder because as good as Carvalho has been, he's only 18 so we don't want to put too much pressure on him, and if he's unable to play for whatever reason then we've not got another attacking midfielder to step in as things stand
Josh???? Not saying we couldn't use another...but I think even Seri could play that role.
Of course it's very early days but I do think our current form/position really helps sell the club to new players. Those looking for a route into the PL would be hard pressed to find a better team in the Championship to join on current standings
Quote from: JoelH5 on August 19, 2021, 10:08:56 AM
Of course it's very early days but I do think our current form/position really helps sell the club to new players. Those looking for a route into the PL would be hard pressed to find a better team in the Championship to join on current standings
Agreed - if we can smash Hull this weekend, our targets of who to bring in might be able to adjust and be more aggressive. Would serve us well if we got auto's and then already had a reasonably PL ready team.
Alan Nixon tweeting we have "not offered enough" for Grimes presumably because Anguissa is still at the club.
https://twitter.com/reluctantnicko/status/1427984248288522248?s=20
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Quote from: NJFulham on August 19, 2021, 02:07:22 PM
Alan Nixon tweeting we have "not offered enough" for Grimes presumably because Anguissa is still at the club.
https://twitter.com/reluctantnicko/status/1427984248288522248?s=20
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If Zambo stays will we be able to sign anyone else with the dreaded FFP?
Quote from: Blawarmy on August 19, 2021, 02:16:55 PM
Quote from: NJFulham on August 19, 2021, 02:07:22 PM
Alan Nixon tweeting we have "not offered enough" for Grimes presumably because Anguissa is still at the club.
https://twitter.com/reluctantnicko/status/1427984248288522248?s=20
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If Zambo stays will we be able to sign anyone else with the dreaded FFP?
Think it's slightly odd to blame Anguissa for us not being able to sign anyone else whilst this window and without him going we've brought in Wilson, Gazza and it seems Muniz for anywhere between 5-10m depending on who you ask.
Quote from: General on August 19, 2021, 02:28:14 PM
Quote from: Blawarmy on August 19, 2021, 02:16:55 PM
Quote from: NJFulham on August 19, 2021, 02:07:22 PM
Alan Nixon tweeting we have "not offered enough" for Grimes presumably because Anguissa is still at the club.
https://twitter.com/reluctantnicko/status/1427984248288522248?s=20
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If Zambo stays will we be able to sign anyone else with the dreaded FFP?
Think it's slightly odd to blame Anguissa for us not being able to sign anyone else whilst this window and without him going we've brought in Wilson, Gazza and it seems Muniz for anywhere between 5-10m depending on who you ask.
I'm not blaming anyone for anything. I just asked if we would be able to get anyone else in if Frank stays purely from a financial standpoint.
Muniz expected in London next Tuesday.
https://twitter.com/venecasagrande/status/1428357272875397126?s=19
Would you settle to keep Frank and not bring in anybody else?
Quote from: AJW48361 on August 19, 2021, 06:58:49 PM
Would you settle to keep Frank and not bring in anybody else?
Yes.
Quote from: AJW48361 on August 19, 2021, 06:58:49 PM
Would you settle to keep Frank and not bring in anybody else?
Why cant we keep Frank but sell knockers and sess and even mlm and bring in a couple of players with that money
Quote from: AJW48361 on August 19, 2021, 06:58:49 PM
Would you settle to keep Frank and not bring in anybody else?
No way. He ain't looked interested and there's no excuse for that. Jog him on and take what we can and bring players in that can do the business for our great FFC.
Not sure if it's been posted but some highlights from the seemingly incoming Rodrigo Muniz.
https://youtu.be/_sxgVoQTZ3I
Next 11 days are going to be nerve racking if we lose nobody or just Anguissa we are likely to have an amazing season if we lose Anguissa, Seri and Tosin it may not be so great... the perfect 11 days for me will be....
Tosin stays
Seri stays
Muniz signs
Anguissa stays or replaced by Grimes
Carvalho signs new contract
A few Jack Daniels will be had if this happens
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on August 19, 2021, 07:42:04 PM
Not sure if it's been posted but some highlights from the seemingly incoming Rodrigo Muniz.
https://youtu.be/_sxgVoQTZ3I
He's got his celebration game down pat.
Quote from: Cookie6262 on August 19, 2021, 07:58:46 PM
Next 11 days are going to be nerve racking if we lose nobody or just Anguissa we are likely to have an amazing season if we lose Anguissa, Seri and Tosin it may not be so great... the perfect 11 days for me will be....
Tosin stays
Seri stays
Muniz signs
Anguissa stays or replaced by Grimes
Carvalho signs new contract
A few Jack Daniels will be had if this happens
Grimes isn't a like for like replacement for Anguissa, he's more of a deep lying playmaker. If Anguissa goes we're a dynamic player down and we'd need to replace that - Will Hughes would be a more suitable candidate. If we keep Seri we don't need Grimes but if he goes, we do.
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on August 19, 2021, 07:39:29 PM
Quote from: AJW48361 on August 19, 2021, 06:58:49 PM
Would you settle to keep Frank and not bring in anybody else?
No way. He ain't looked interested and there's no excuse for that. Jog him on and take what we can and bring players in that can do the business for our great FFC.
Zambo is a class above anyone else in other teams in this league. He must stay. We have the January window to get rid of the dross such as Knockaert, MLM & Sess if there are any potential FFP issues.
Quote from: grandad on August 19, 2021, 08:40:27 PM
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on August 19, 2021, 07:39:29 PM
Quote from: AJW48361 on August 19, 2021, 06:58:49 PM
Would you settle to keep Frank and not bring in anybody else?
No way. He ain't looked interested and there's no excuse for that. Jog him on and take what we can and bring players in that can do the business for our great FFC.
Zambo is a class above anyone else in other teams in this league. He must stay. We have the January window to get rid of the dross such as Knockaert, MLM & Sess if there are any potential FFP issues.
That is of course unless we breach and are put under an embargo, so you have to make sure your not in trouble prior to the window.
Quote from: grandad on August 19, 2021, 08:40:27 PM
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on August 19, 2021, 07:39:29 PM
Quote from: AJW48361 on August 19, 2021, 06:58:49 PM
Would you settle to keep Frank and not bring in anybody else?
No way. He ain't looked interested and there's no excuse for that. Jog him on and take what we can and bring players in that can do the business for our great FFC.
Zambo is a class above anyone else in other teams in this league. He must stay. We have the January window to get rid of the dross such as Knockaert, MLM & Sess if there are any potential FFP issues.
How do you know this? He ain't even started a game yet this season. And he never exactly set the prem alight. Cash in I say. We don't look like we need him do we?
Looks decent in the air.
He a looks he plays a similar position to Fabio.
I wish people would think before posting comments about our players like Sess, Max and Knock, as to call them "dross" is insulting and inaccurate. You may not rate them, as I don't rate Zambo but no need to denigrate them in this way. They're our players and should be treated with some respect.
Agreed we don't really need Grimes if we keep Seri.
Would also be OK keeping Zambo FFP permitting, but by my reckoning we currently have 6.5 CBs (.5 being Odoi), 5 wide forwards and 5 RBs (Tete, Christie, Odoi, Sess and Fossey). To balance the squad/books and reduce wage bill I rather move on MLM, Christie, Fossey, Knock and Fabri (if he's still alive) as they most are likely on good wages and simply unlikely to get much worthy game time to warrant their wages given squad depth.
I'd also loan out Sess to hopefully give him one last shot at proving he can develop from regular game time sufficiently to live up to his potential - would love to see him make it but not overly optimistic.
Keep Zambo, sell the aforementioned, bring in Muniz and I'd honestly be happy with that given how well we're playing/squad depth.
Personally think we don't need any additions once Muniz comes in if we can keep Frank.
Loan out or sell Fabri Christie Sess Le Marchand meaning squad is
GK - Gazzaniga Rodak
RB - Tete Odoi
CB - Tosin Ream Mawson Kongolo Hector
LB - Robinson Bryan
CM - Anguissa Seri Reed Onomah Francois
RM - Wilson Knockeart
LM - Kebano Cavaleiro
CAM - Carvalho Cairney
ST - Mitrovic Muniz
That for me is easily strong enough to finish in the top 2 & return to the Premier League
Quote from: JackHamlet90 on August 20, 2021, 04:53:29 AM
Personally think we don't need any additions once Muniz comes in if we can keep Frank.
Loan out or sell Fabri Christie Sess Le Marchand meaning squad is
GK - Gazzaniga Rodak
RB - Tete Odoi
CB - Tosin Ream Mawson Kongolo Hector
LB - Robinson Bryan
CM - Anguissa Seri Reed Onomah Francois
RM - Wilson Knockeart
LM - Kebano Cavaleiro
CAM - Carvalho Cairney
ST - Mitrovic Muniz
That for me is easily strong enough to finish in the top 2 & return to the Premier League
Yes. Fully agree. The only thing I would add is, if Ffp allows after those sales, pick the position that needs the most upgrading and try to find a player that is PL ready. Less preparation next year.
Quote from: JackHamlet90 on August 20, 2021, 04:53:29 AM
Personally think we don't need any additions once Muniz comes in if we can keep Frank.
Loan out or sell Fabri Christie Sess Le Marchand meaning squad is
GK - Gazzaniga Rodak
RB - Tete Odoi
CB - Tosin Ream Mawson Kongolo Hector
LB - Robinson Bryan
CM - Anguissa Seri Reed Onomah Francois
RM - Wilson Knockeart
LM - Kebano Cavaleiro
CAM - Carvalho Cairney
ST - Mitrovic Muniz
That for me is easily strong enough to finish in the top 2 & return to the Premier League
Then we also have BDR who can be a starter for a number of positions!
S Sess must admit yet to be fully convinced about him although highly regarded at the club.
Quote from: Porthogs FC on August 20, 2021, 04:56:43 AM
Quote from: JackHamlet90 on August 20, 2021, 04:53:29 AM
Personally think we don't need any additions once Muniz comes in if we can keep Frank.
Loan out or sell Fabri Christie Sess Le Marchand meaning squad is
GK - Gazzaniga Rodak
RB - Tete Odoi
CB - Tosin Ream Mawson Kongolo Hector
LB - Robinson Bryan
CM - Anguissa Seri Reed Onomah Francois
RM - Wilson Knockeart
LM - Kebano Cavaleiro
CAM - Carvalho Cairney
ST - Mitrovic Muniz
That for me is easily strong enough to finish in the top 2 & return to the Premier League
Yes. Fully agree. The only thing I would add is, if Ffp allows after those sales, pick the position that needs the most upgrading and try to find a player that is PL ready. Less preparation next year.
A ridiculous squad for the Championship - our second string is probably play-off worthy.
If possible, I'd look to shift Knockaert and sign another AM. Otherwise, assuming things are going well in January, potentially bring in 1 or 2 PL-ready upgrades then.
Quote from: WOTM on August 20, 2021, 05:24:58 AM
Quote from: JackHamlet90 on August 20, 2021, 04:53:29 AM
Personally think we don't need any additions once Muniz comes in if we can keep Frank.
Loan out or sell Fabri Christie Sess Le Marchand meaning squad is
GK - Gazzaniga Rodak
RB - Tete Odoi
CB - Tosin Ream Mawson Kongolo Hector
LB - Robinson Bryan
CM - Anguissa Seri Reed Onomah Francois
RM - Wilson Knockeart
LM - Kebano Cavaleiro
CAM - Carvalho Cairney
ST - Mitrovic Muniz
That for me is easily strong enough to finish in the top 2 & return to the Premier League
Then we also have BDR who can be a starter for a number of positions!
Surprised he missed out BDR and put in knockaert. BdR is one of our key forwards for me.
Transfer thread............Not a discussion thread.
Quote from: JackHamlet90 on August 20, 2021, 04:53:29 AM
Personally think we don't need any additions once Muniz comes in if we can keep Frank.
Loan out or sell Fabri Christie Sess Le Marchand meaning squad is
GK - Gazzaniga Rodak
RB - Tete Odoi
CB - Tosin Ream Mawson Kongolo Hector
LB - Robinson Bryan
CM - Anguissa Seri Reed Onomah Francois
RM - Wilson Knockeart
LM - Kebano Cavaleiro
CAM - Carvalho Cairney
ST - Mitrovic Muniz
That for me is easily strong enough to finish in the top 2 & return to the Premier League
Include the missing BDR in Knock's spot, sell Knock and Fossey (22 now and still no games for us despite being highly rated) that's exactly how I see it.
Transfer-wise only Muniz needed in that scenario; if we do get a buyer for Anguissa for a suitable fee and he wants to go then add another MF.
Quote from: Tooting legend on August 20, 2021, 09:24:34 AM
Transfer thread............Not a discussion thread.
There will be no transfer news now until a day or two before deadline day so we may as well spend the time gossiping.
One of the things I have heard is that we are waiting on outgoings before we do anymore incomings, not from anyone inside the club just something I heard in a discussion at work.
Also heard that Grimes is unlikely as he wants double what he originally asked for and Swansea also increased the fee.
Again no inside info just things i heard at work
My thoughts echo this re Anguissa. Wages must be huge & if we 'sacrifice' him then this does free up some flexibility for us to do other business. Certainly it may make Seri's remuneration more affordable & we'd be all the stronger if he stays.
So an interesting week ahead & there still may be Obafemi from So'ton in the mix plus the young Sporting Lisbon midfielder, too.
Crowning glory, of course a new contract for Carvalho .... however, fundamental, for me, that Adarabiyo stays.
Quote from: millsy on August 19, 2021, 09:40:18 PM
I wish people would think before posting comments about our players like Sess, Max and Knock, as to call them "dross" is insulting and inaccurate. You may not rate them, as I don't rate Zambo but no need to denigrate them in this way. They're our players and should be treated with some respect.
I was going to say much the same. A very poorly worded post.
Quote from: Twig on August 20, 2021, 10:57:51 AM
Quote from: millsy on August 19, 2021, 09:40:18 PM
I wish people would think before posting comments about our players like Sess, Max and Knock, as to call them "dross" is insulting and inaccurate. You may not rate them, as I don't rate Zambo but no need to denigrate them in this way. They're our players and should be treated with some respect.
I was going to say much the same. A very poorly worded post.
Agreed. Very few players get to the level required to play for even a lower league side. To get to championship club requires a great deal of dedication and talent
Sess = U17 World Cup Winner
Knock = Former championship player of the year
MLM = played in top division of both France and England
Hardly 'dross'.
I think we need to show a bit more respect and support to our players.
Quote from: Atherton on August 20, 2021, 01:28:27 PM
Sess = U17 World Cup Winner
Knock = Former championship player of the year
MLM = played in top division of both France and England
Hardly 'dross'.
I think we need to show a bit more respect and support to our players.
I will withdraw the word "dross" & replace it with - not up to the standard we require now. However dross can be recycled so let´s sell the 3 I mentioned.
Quote from: Atherton on August 20, 2021, 01:28:27 PM
Sess = U17 World Cup Winner
Knock = Former championship player of the year
MLM = played in top division of both France and England
Hardly 'dross'.
I think we need to show a bit more respect and support to our players.
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Quote from: Atherton on August 20, 2021, 01:28:27 PM
Sess = U17 World Cup Winner
Knock = Former championship player of the year
MLM = played in top division of both France and England
Hardly 'dross'.
I think we need to show a bit more respect and support to our players.
I appreciate all you say is true, but its quite quite stretch saying MLM played at the top league of England. I know he did, but not sure he was any/is any good at that level. Hardly made the bench once we had done our recruitment last season.
Thanks Grandad, fair enough and by the way, I agree with what you say and would add Zambo to that list
Some very sensitive people here
Knockaert has been dross, especially given the money we paid for him. Hopefully, Silva can revitalise him.
Has Muniz arrived at Heathrow yet?
Quote from: fulhamross on August 20, 2021, 03:53:47 PM
Has Muniz arrived at Heathrow yet?
Tuesday I think
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Quote from: fulhamross on August 20, 2021, 03:53:47 PM
Has Muniz arrived at Heathrow yet?
Whats wrong with Farnborough
Muniz announced on the Offal
https://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2021/august/Muniz-Joins-Fulham/
Someone took a Fulham shirt to Portugal!
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on August 20, 2021, 06:40:59 PM
Someone took a Fulham shirt to Portugal!
Apparently he is in Spain!
The likes of Christie, Sess and MLM are fine for depth at this level. They would probably all start for 50% of the teams in this league.
Now that Muniz is in, I wonder if we are done this transfer window? Bar getting rid of or loaning out the few bits of deadwood, we keep Anguissa and Seri, no new ins or outs? Feels like when no one came in for those two players that perhaps we we called off the dogs on Grimes and others...
Quote from: The Rock on August 20, 2021, 07:21:49 PM
Now that Muniz is in, I wonder if we are done this transfer window? Bar getting rid of or loaning out the few bits of deadwood, we keep Anguissa and Seri, no new ins or outs? Feels like when no one came in for those two players that perhaps we we called off the dogs on Grimes and others...
If what you state turns out to be the case, and no key players leave for pastures new.
Then on paper and on the field of play, Fulham look a formidable outfit of epic proportions.
I think there won't be any incoming players without players leaving first for the rest of the window.
Quote from: Pluto on August 20, 2021, 06:55:06 PM
The likes of Christie, Sess and MLM are fine for depth at this level. They would probably all start for 50% of the teams in this league.
Maybe, but MLM is currently our 6th choice CB so isn't needed. Personally, I'd look to loan out Sess and keep Christie as backup.
I really don't think Seri will leave. He seems happy and is playing well. I don't want him to go either
Not seeing much in this Swansea player Grimes, not that good and can't see any improvement on what we have already.
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 20, 2021, 03:29:00 PM
Some very sensitive people here
Knockaert has been dross, especially given the money we paid for him. Hopefully, Silva can revitalise him.
At least you could never, ever question Knock's efforts and commitment. For that at least he's better than dross.
Quote from: Twig on August 20, 2021, 10:12:21 PM
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 20, 2021, 03:29:00 PM
Some very sensitive people here
Knockaert has been dross, especially given the money we paid for him. Hopefully, Silva can revitalise him.
At least you could never, ever question Knock's efforts and commitment. For that at least he's better than dross.
Totally agree. Knocky's commitment is and always has been first class. I've always thought that his decision making offensively has let him down. He seems to play for himself rather than the team, often looking for a shot when a pass is the better option.
The changes in performance of most of our players since Marco arrived is immense. I would be interested in seeing how Knock performs now before writing him off.
Quote from: Whitestone on August 20, 2021, 10:31:54 PM
Quote from: Twig on August 20, 2021, 10:12:21 PM
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 20, 2021, 03:29:00 PM
Some very sensitive people here
Knockaert has been dross, especially given the money we paid for him. Hopefully, Silva can revitalise him.
At least you could never, ever question Knock's efforts and commitment. For that at least he's better than dross.
Totally agree. Knocky's commitment is and always has been first class. I've always thought that his decision making offensively has let him down. He seems to play for himself rather than the team, often looking for a shot when a pass is the better option.
Agree with these sentiments too.
On the moments he puts it all together he's a very tricky opponent.
However, more often than not (as pointed out above) it's his decision making and execution that lets him down, not his lack of effort or intensity.
It's a challenge for Silva and a challenge for Knocky and I hope Fulham as a club can benefit from it.
I'd be interested to hear if people thought Knockaert, when confident, fully fit and in form, isn't capable performing at this level? I've not seen anything to suggest that's true and his history would suggest he can.
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 21, 2021, 01:18:14 PM
I'd be interested to hear if people thought Knockaert, when confident, fully fit and in form, isn't capable performing at this level? I've not seen anything to suggest that's true and his history would suggest he can.
Well not getting carried away, but Silva and Boa seem to be improving confidence in the squad, so if they can get Knocks peak Brighton form back i think we'd all be pretty happy.
Quote from: bobby01 on August 21, 2021, 09:33:43 AM
The changes in performance of most of our players since Marco arrived is immense.
New manager bounce?
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Quote from: Whitestone on August 20, 2021, 10:31:54 PM
Quote from: Twig on August 20, 2021, 10:12:21 PM
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 20, 2021, 03:29:00 PM
Some very sensitive people here
Knockaert has been dross, especially given the money we paid for him. Hopefully, Silva can revitalise him.
At least you could never, ever question Knock's efforts and commitment. For that at least he's better than dross.
Totally agree. Knocky's commitment is and always has been first class. I've always thought that his decision making offensively has let him down. He seems to play for himself rather than the team, often looking for a shot when a pass is the better option.
Agree with these sentiments too.
On the moments he puts it all together he's a very tricky opponent.
However, more often than not (as pointed out above) it's his decision-making and execution that lets him down, not his lack of effort or intensity.
The decision making was probably down to the lack of options for decisions to be made, I mean Cav looked a world-beater against Hull, where was that for the last 2 seasons, when people are stood still it doesnt give the wide players many options but to cut inside and try a shot from 20 yards
https://twitter.com/hammyend/status/1429360436147859460?s=21
Anyway for those telling me that Silva can't not rate Christie, this is why he's in the U23 games
Christie is the one of the 3 backup RBs who is on the highest wages and would have the highest transfer value, so it makes sense to sell him off.
Quote from: bobby01 on August 21, 2021, 09:33:43 AM
The changes in performance of most of our players since Marco arrived is immense. I would be interested in seeing how Knock performs now before writing him off.
Marco had a look at him during the Charlton game & if I'm honest, I doubt he was that impressed?
The only players I see as surplus to current requirements are MLM & Fabri. All the other fringe players are needed in this long hard season. Christie is capable of standing in for Tete, Fossey could do with a loan out but would retain him. Odoi is the type of utility player all clubs need. Hector & Kongolo are more than adequate replacements for Tosin, Mawson & Ream. Francois & the other kids will learn a lot from Silva & will all play some part this season. Knockaert is a quandry as with only 9 days till the window closes I doubt he will be fit enough to play him to evaluate him. Sessegnon is another I would loan out as I can´t see him featuring in our 1st team squad.
Anguissa & Seri must stay & I hope beyond hope we can get Carvalho to sign a new contract with a hefty buy out & sell on. In a couple of more years of development he could be worth at least 50 million.
Quote from: SP on August 22, 2021, 11:51:14 AM
Quote from: bobby01 on August 21, 2021, 09:33:43 AM
The changes in performance of most of our players since Marco arrived is immense. I would be interested in seeing how Knock performs now before writing him off.
Marco had a look at him during the Charlton game & if I'm honest, I doubt he was that impressed?
Christie didn't play vs Charlton
Quote from: JoeS on August 22, 2021, 05:59:26 PM
Quote from: SP on August 22, 2021, 11:51:14 AM
Quote from: bobby01 on August 21, 2021, 09:33:43 AM
The changes in performance of most of our players since Marco arrived is immense. I would be interested in seeing how Knock performs now before writing him off.
Marco had a look at him during the Charlton game & if I'm honest, I doubt he was that impressed?
Christie didn't play vs Charlton
I think the comment you were responding to was about Knockaert rather than Christie.
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on August 22, 2021, 06:22:18 PM
Quote from: JoeS on August 22, 2021, 05:59:26 PM
Quote from: SP on August 22, 2021, 11:51:14 AM
Quote from: bobby01 on August 21, 2021, 09:33:43 AM
The changes in performance of most of our players since Marco arrived is immense. I would be interested in seeing how Knock performs now before writing him off.
Marco had a look at him during the Charlton game & if I'm honest, I doubt he was that impressed?
Christie didn't play vs Charlton
I think the comment you were responding to was about Knockaert rather than Christie.
Ah sorry, you're right. My mistake!
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 21, 2021, 01:18:14 PM
I'd be interested to hear if people thought Knockaert, when confident, fully fit and in form, isn't capable performing at this level? I've not seen anything to suggest that's true and his history would suggest he can.
My only problem with Knock is that I think the ball sticks to his feet too often. People say Zambo flatters to deceive. Imo Anthony is that, even moreso. Incredible work rate, great ball control...but imo plays poorly with Mitro and other attacking players.
Maybe it's a Scott Parker thing and we'll see better with him having more time under Marco.
If we can afford to spend more, I would like to see us add Sikiri Dembele from Peterborough to our numbers. Along with Wilson, we'd have two wingers who are a step up from Cavaleiro and Kebano (both of whom would be decent back-up). We could happily let Knockaert go out on loan again if a club were interested in him.
If we shift Anguissa we will go in for Hughes and offer him more salary than Burnley can.
I don't think it will happen but still expect Grimes to turn up.
Whisper of loan move for Fredericks, but again I don't think so.
Agents hard at work as you can imagine.
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 23, 2021, 11:58:46 AM
If we shift Anguissa we will go in for Hughes and offer him more salary than Burnley can.
I don't think it will happen but still expect Grimes to turn up.
Whisper of loan move for Fredericks, but again I don't think so.
Agents hard at work as you can imagine.
I'd love Fredericks back, him and Robinson must be the quickest full back pairing in history!
Can't see Fredericks wanting to join though as imagine he'd be second choice to Tete if he's not out for too long.
The only whisper I have heard about Fred was on here.
Hughes looks to be off to Palace
I don't know
Given how brilliant he was for us last time out it could be a tasty battle for the RB spot.
Depends how long Tete is out for I guess but Frederick's and Wilson on the right would be epic!
Is that it now until January, hard to see how we can attract better players than we already have.
The fear of course is snatches late in the window for our best players.
Quote from: filham on August 23, 2021, 02:38:40 PM
Is that it now until January, hard to see how we can attract better players than we already have.
The fear of course is snatches late in the window for our best players.
Maybe our transfer business isn't over yet in this window
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/west-brom-and-fulham-handed-boost-in-transfer-pursuit-as-clubs-transfer-stance-outlined/
Quote from: spikey norman on August 23, 2021, 03:51:12 PM
Quote from: filham on August 23, 2021, 02:38:40 PM
Is that it now until January, hard to see how we can attract better players than we already have.
The fear of course is snatches late in the window for our best players.
Maybe our transfer business isn't over yet in this window
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/west-brom-and-fulham-handed-boost-in-transfer-pursuit-as-clubs-transfer-stance-outlined/
I would be surprised if we signed Nzola now, we tried in January since then manager change and a seemingly change of transfer direction in how we do things.
I wouldnt say 100% we won't but i reckon it has to be very unlikely
MLM deciding on an offer from Dynamo Zagreb.
Quote from: jayffc on August 23, 2021, 01:49:58 PM
I don't know
Given how brilliant he was for us last time out it could be a tasty battle for the RB spot.
Depends how long Tete is out for I guess but Frederick's and Wilson on the right would be epic!
https://www.hammers.news/club-news/ryan-fredericks-needs-to-do-one-thing-to-be-a-success-at-west-ham/
Quote from: bobby01 on August 23, 2021, 05:06:50 PM
MLM deciding on an offer from Dynamo Zagreb.
Be keeping an eye on the squad tomorrow to see if hes in it. If not, then definitely gone.
Quote from: rebel on August 23, 2021, 05:08:19 PM
Quote from: jayffc on August 23, 2021, 01:49:58 PM
I don't know
Given how brilliant he was for us last time out it could be a tasty battle for the RB spot.
Depends how long Tete is out for I guess but Frederick's and Wilson on the right would be epic!
https://www.hammers.news/club-news/ryan-fredericks-needs-to-do-one-thing-to-be-a-success-at-west-ham/
Sounds like he hasn't really kicked on since his move to West Ham. A shame for him as I always liked him, but I did always wonder if he has the technical ability to be a regular at PL level.
I'm not sure why we would sign a RB. Tete is our first choice and a very, very good one. We have adequate cover in Chrisite, Odoi and even BDR (out of position). I certainly can't see Fred wanting to drop down from the Prem to be an understudy in the Champ.
Fred will be on too much money.
Quote from: Twig on August 23, 2021, 06:44:47 PM
I'm not sure why we would sign a RB. Tete is our first choice and a very, very good one. We have adequate cover in Chrisite, Odoi and even BDR (out of position). I certainly can't see Fred wanting to drop down from the Prem to be an understudy in the Champ.
Sell odoi and or Christie and replace him/them with a much better RB as competition at a low cost. I certainly wouldn't mind but yes it's not a priority. That said, waiting to hear how bad Tetes injury is.
As for the Spezia forward would be very much overkill at this point, if he could play out wide maybe but given we already have 2 very physical CF's I don't see why we'd entertain this
Maybe Mitro is off
Quote from: bencher on August 23, 2021, 06:11:55 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 23, 2021, 05:08:19 PM
Quote from: jayffc on August 23, 2021, 01:49:58 PM
I don't know
Given how brilliant he was for us last time out it could be a tasty battle for the RB spot.
Depends how long Tete is out for I guess but Frederick's and Wilson on the right would be epic!
https://www.hammers.news/club-news/ryan-fredericks-needs-to-do-one-thing-to-be-a-success-at-west-ham/
Sounds like he hasn't really kicked on since his move to West Ham. A shame for him as I always liked him, but I did always wonder if he has the technical ability to be a regular at PL level.
He plays every so often, regularly enough if not the normal starter and for a team that had a good season last year.. also in the last game I saw him play this season already I'm pretty sure he set up a benrahma goal so he's still contributing at a meaningful level for a top(ish) Premier league side. Considering he joined them when we first went up and has been there since its not bad going. We've been relegated twice, promoted one and are in our 4th season without him already.
Footballleagueworld is a nonsense source. I wouldn't read anything into what they say.
Quote from: General on August 23, 2021, 09:07:40 PM
Quote from: bencher on August 23, 2021, 06:11:55 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 23, 2021, 05:08:19 PM
Quote from: jayffc on August 23, 2021, 01:49:58 PM
I don't know
Given how brilliant he was for us last time out it could be a tasty battle for the RB spot.
Depends how long Tete is out for I guess but Frederick's and Wilson on the right would be epic!
https://www.hammers.news/club-news/ryan-fredericks-needs-to-do-one-thing-to-be-a-success-at-west-ham/
Sounds like he hasn't really kicked on since his move to West Ham. A shame for him as I always liked him, but I did always wonder if he has the technical ability to be a regular at PL level.
He plays every so often, regularly enough if not the normal starter and for a team that had a good season last year.. also in the last game I saw him play this season already I'm pretty sure he set up a benrahma goal so he's still contributing at a meaningful level for a top(ish) Premier league side. Considering he joined them when we first went up and has been there since its not bad going. We've been relegated twice, promoted one and are in our 4th season without him already.
West Ham top of the table tonight
Has Fredricks been getting any playing time for West Ham this season?
I would be quite happy to gamble everything I own and love on the fact that Fredericks will not be leaving the team top of the Premier League and certainly in contention for a good European run in order to play second fiddle right back for a team in the Championship.
The chance of Fredericks coming back to Fulham has to be super low. He's not the regular starter...but when he's not injured he gets minutes.
So...limited minutes at West Ham...or limited minutes at Fulham. Not sure he misses us that much.
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Quote from: bobby01 on August 23, 2021, 05:06:50 PM
MLM deciding on an offer from Dynamo Zagreb.
Loan or Sale?
Edit: Sorry looks like a sale on some of the other links.
Quote from: FulhamKC on August 23, 2021, 11:31:17 PM
Has Fredricks been getting any playing time for West Ham this season?
Fredericks was the first sub brought on towards the end of the match at Newcastle, when they were seeing the game out. Unused sub last night.
Not going to happen Fossey S.Sess Cyrus & Dennis (I now consider more a C/Df now)but options.
ONE WEEK TO GO
Here's a summary of the incoming/outcoming rumours that seem to be still in the pipeline...
INS
Matt Grimes - Swansea (rumoured to be having crunch talks with Swansea today, if he doesn't sign a new contract they need to sell before the deadline)
Will Hughes - Watford (likely off to Palace, with ourselves, Burnley and Newcastle also interested)
Nathaniel Chalobah - Watford
Bruno Paz - Sporting B
Obamfemi - Southampton (likely to leave before the deadline, several clubs interested)
N'Zola - Spezia (us and WBA have been linked)
OUTS
Fabri
MLM - Dinamo Zagreb and a few clubs in France linked
Christie - reportedly a bid was accepted from Forest but he didn't agree terms
Seri - I hope not!
Anguissa - several clubs in England and other European clubs interested
Paz has signed for someone else.
From what I have heard we are definitely in the market for one of those players that play upfront or on the wing. Probably a loan. I was told by Tom Barclay that we are trying for Obafemi but he prefers other clubs at this stage. Something about he wants to play up front and not as a rotation option.
The club is anticipating that when Kongolo returns this will be the end of his long term injury problems.
Hector, MLM, one of Christie/Sess, Anguissa, Knockaert are all players we definitely want to shift. There are talks that one of Bryan or Robinson as well as Seri could go.
Big last 7 days coming up.
Do you happen to know if we are in the market for any other positions too? Presume a midfielder
Definitely think we maintain our interest in Grimes.
Tom McGrath (spelling) said via dm that we need to shift before we can buy.
Would be lying if I had any new names though
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 24, 2021, 12:27:39 PM
From what I have heard we are definitely in the market for one of those players that play upfront or on the wing. Probably a loan. I was told by Tom Barclay that we are trying for Obafemi but he prefers other clubs at this stage. Something about he wants to play up front and not as a rotation option.
The club is anticipating that when Kongolo returns this will be the end of his long term injury problems.
Hector, MLM, one of Christie/Sess, Anguissa, Knockaert are all players we definitely want to shift. There are talks that one of Bryan or Robinson as well as Seri could go.
Big last 7 days coming up.
Would actually be gutted to see Seri go just as he's finding form for us. If he returns to his former glory it would be like having a huge new signing
Some interesting comments from Marco Silva on Fulham's recruitment – courtesy of the Athletic's Peter Rutzler. Asked specifically about the arrival of Rodrigo Muniz from Flamengo, the Fulham head coach said:
"Was he a player that I asked the board to sign? Definitely. Like I asked to sign Harry Wilson, and like I asked to sign Paulo Gazzaniga. I cannot see football in a different way. You work with the board, but to be clear, they were players I asked 100 per cent to be signed. Rodrigo was a player that came from myself to the club, and of course after the club analysed him and all the others as well."
Silva's insistence on prolonging Fulham's interest in the Brazilian striker, which looked like floundering earlier this summer when Flamengo rejected the club's initial loan offer, may hint at a change in transfer strategy or at least greater influence for the new head coach than some of his predecessors have enjoyed. It is noteworthy that Silva suggests that the signings of Paulo Gazzaniga and Harry Wilson originated with him rather than other members of the club's recruitment team.
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/08/silva-asked-board-to-sign-muniz/
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 24, 2021, 12:56:40 PM
Some interesting comments from Marco Silva on Fulham's recruitment – courtesy of the Athletic's Peter Rutzler. Asked specifically about the arrival of Rodrigo Muniz from Flamengo, the Fulham head coach said:
"Was he a player that I asked the board to sign? Definitely. Like I asked to sign Harry Wilson, and like I asked to sign Paulo Gazzaniga. I cannot see football in a different way. You work with the board, but to be clear, they were players I asked 100 per cent to be signed. Rodrigo was a player that came from myself to the club, and of course after the club analysed him and all the others as well."
Silva's insistence on prolonging Fulham's interest in the Brazilian striker, which looked like floundering earlier this summer when Flamengo rejected the club's initial loan offer, may hint at a change in transfer strategy or at least greater influence for the new head coach than some of his predecessors have enjoyed. It is noteworthy that Silva suggests that the signings of Paulo Gazzaniga and Harry Wilson originated with him rather than other members of the club's recruitment team.
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/08/silva-asked-board-to-sign-muniz/
Should also be noted that in a previous window we were credited with having an interest in Wilson, some of this reports even said we had a bid turned down
The manager having more input is a good thing though
Quote from: junior white on August 24, 2021, 01:09:10 PM
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 24, 2021, 12:56:40 PM
Some interesting comments from Marco Silva on Fulham's recruitment – courtesy of the Athletic's Peter Rutzler. Asked specifically about the arrival of Rodrigo Muniz from Flamengo, the Fulham head coach said:
"Was he a player that I asked the board to sign? Definitely. Like I asked to sign Harry Wilson, and like I asked to sign Paulo Gazzaniga. I cannot see football in a different way. You work with the board, but to be clear, they were players I asked 100 per cent to be signed. Rodrigo was a player that came from myself to the club, and of course after the club analysed him and all the others as well."
Silva's insistence on prolonging Fulham's interest in the Brazilian striker, which looked like floundering earlier this summer when Flamengo rejected the club's initial loan offer, may hint at a change in transfer strategy or at least greater influence for the new head coach than some of his predecessors have enjoyed. It is noteworthy that Silva suggests that the signings of Paulo Gazzaniga and Harry Wilson originated with him rather than other members of the club's recruitment team.
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/08/silva-asked-board-to-sign-muniz/
Should also be noted that in a previous window we were credited with having an interest in Wilson, some of this reports even said we had a bid turned down
The manager having more input is a good thing though
We were also quite heavily linked with Gazzaniga a year ago.
Quote from: twang on August 24, 2021, 01:13:54 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 24, 2021, 01:09:10 PM
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 24, 2021, 12:56:40 PM
Some interesting comments from Marco Silva on Fulham's recruitment – courtesy of the Athletic's Peter Rutzler. Asked specifically about the arrival of Rodrigo Muniz from Flamengo, the Fulham head coach said:
"Was he a player that I asked the board to sign? Definitely. Like I asked to sign Harry Wilson, and like I asked to sign Paulo Gazzaniga. I cannot see football in a different way. You work with the board, but to be clear, they were players I asked 100 per cent to be signed. Rodrigo was a player that came from myself to the club, and of course after the club analysed him and all the others as well."
Silva's insistence on prolonging Fulham's interest in the Brazilian striker, which looked like floundering earlier this summer when Flamengo rejected the club's initial loan offer, may hint at a change in transfer strategy or at least greater influence for the new head coach than some of his predecessors have enjoyed. It is noteworthy that Silva suggests that the signings of Paulo Gazzaniga and Harry Wilson originated with him rather than other members of the club's recruitment team.
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/08/silva-asked-board-to-sign-muniz/
Should also be noted that in a previous window we were credited with having an interest in Wilson, some of this reports even said we had a bid turned down
The manager having more input is a good thing though
We were also quite heavily linked with Gazzaniga a year ago.
We were indeed, just before Areola became available
Quote from: jayffc on August 24, 2021, 12:53:06 PM
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 24, 2021, 12:27:39 PM
From what I have heard we are definitely in the market for one of those players that play upfront or on the wing. Probably a loan. I was told by Tom Barclay that we are trying for Obafemi but he prefers other clubs at this stage. Something about he wants to play up front and not as a rotation option.
The club is anticipating that when Kongolo returns this will be the end of his long term injury problems.
Hector, MLM, one of Christie/Sess, Anguissa, Knockaert are all players we definitely want to shift. There are talks that one of Bryan or Robinson as well as Seri could go.
Big last 7 days coming up.
Would actually be gutted to see Seri go just as he's finding form for us. If he returns to his former glory it would be like having a huge new signing
Definitely. But Seri is also a player that we most likely couldn't receive a fee for a month ago so if a club comes in with a £5-10m offer I can't see us turning it down.
Quote from: junior white on August 24, 2021, 01:16:35 PM
Quote from: twang on August 24, 2021, 01:13:54 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 24, 2021, 01:09:10 PM
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 24, 2021, 12:56:40 PM
Some interesting comments from Marco Silva on Fulham's recruitment – courtesy of the Athletic's Peter Rutzler. Asked specifically about the arrival of Rodrigo Muniz from Flamengo, the Fulham head coach said:
"Was he a player that I asked the board to sign? Definitely. Like I asked to sign Harry Wilson, and like I asked to sign Paulo Gazzaniga. I cannot see football in a different way. You work with the board, but to be clear, they were players I asked 100 per cent to be signed. Rodrigo was a player that came from myself to the club, and of course after the club analysed him and all the others as well."
Silva's insistence on prolonging Fulham's interest in the Brazilian striker, which looked like floundering earlier this summer when Flamengo rejected the club's initial loan offer, may hint at a change in transfer strategy or at least greater influence for the new head coach than some of his predecessors have enjoyed. It is noteworthy that Silva suggests that the signings of Paulo Gazzaniga and Harry Wilson originated with him rather than other members of the club's recruitment team.
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/08/silva-asked-board-to-sign-muniz/
Should also be noted that in a previous window we were credited with having an interest in Wilson, some of this reports even said we had a bid turned down
The manager having more input is a good thing though
We were also quite heavily linked with Gazzaniga a year ago.
We were indeed, just before Areola became available
Yep I think Ruzler has clearly misinterpreted Silva when he says Silva "originated" the Gazzaniga and Wilson signings. Silva is saying he urged the board to go ahead and sign those players but not that they were his idea. Whereas in relation to Muniz he says the player "came from myself to the club" which I think is drawing a distinction and means Silva did indeed "originate" that one.
Quote from: Statto on August 24, 2021, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 24, 2021, 01:16:35 PM
Quote from: twang on August 24, 2021, 01:13:54 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 24, 2021, 01:09:10 PM
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 24, 2021, 12:56:40 PM
Some interesting comments from Marco Silva on Fulham's recruitment – courtesy of the Athletic's Peter Rutzler. Asked specifically about the arrival of Rodrigo Muniz from Flamengo, the Fulham head coach said:
"Was he a player that I asked the board to sign? Definitely. Like I asked to sign Harry Wilson, and like I asked to sign Paulo Gazzaniga. I cannot see football in a different way. You work with the board, but to be clear, they were players I asked 100 per cent to be signed. Rodrigo was a player that came from myself to the club, and of course after the club analysed him and all the others as well."
Silva's insistence on prolonging Fulham's interest in the Brazilian striker, which looked like floundering earlier this summer when Flamengo rejected the club's initial loan offer, may hint at a change in transfer strategy or at least greater influence for the new head coach than some of his predecessors have enjoyed. It is noteworthy that Silva suggests that the signings of Paulo Gazzaniga and Harry Wilson originated with him rather than other members of the club's recruitment team.
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/08/silva-asked-board-to-sign-muniz/
Should also be noted that in a previous window we were credited with having an interest in Wilson, some of this reports even said we had a bid turned down
The manager having more input is a good thing though
We were also quite heavily linked with Gazzaniga a year ago.
We were indeed, just before Areola became available
Yep I think Ruzler has clearly misinterpreted Silva when he says Silva "originated" the Gazzaniga and Wilson signings. Silva is saying he urged the board to go ahead and sign those players but not that they were his idea. Whereas in relation to Muniz he says the player "came from myself to the club" which I think is drawing a distinction and means Silva did indeed "originate" that one.
Agree
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 24, 2021, 12:49:15 PM
Definitely think we maintain our interest in Grimes.
Tom McGrath (spelling) said via dm that we need to shift before we can buy.
Would be lying if I had any new names though
Is what most of have thought for a while i guess, hence all the discussion as to wether Frank is going to be sold. If we really want to sign one or two more the answer is yes. Although Grimes I cannot see being an upgrade eon anything we have right now personally.
Quote from: twang on August 24, 2021, 01:19:22 PM
Quote from: jayffc on August 24, 2021, 12:53:06 PM
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 24, 2021, 12:27:39 PM
From what I have heard we are definitely in the market for one of those players that play upfront or on the wing. Probably a loan. I was told by Tom Barclay that we are trying for Obafemi but he prefers other clubs at this stage. Something about he wants to play up front and not as a rotation option.
The club is anticipating that when Kongolo returns this will be the end of his long term injury problems.
Hector, MLM, one of Christie/Sess, Anguissa, Knockaert are all players we definitely want to shift. There are talks that one of Bryan or Robinson as well as Seri could go.
Big last 7 days coming up.
Would actually be gutted to see Seri go just as he's finding form for us. If he returns to his former glory it would be like having a huge new signing
Definitely. But Seri is also a player that we most likely couldn't receive a fee for a month ago so if a club comes in with a £5-10m offer I can't see us turning it down.
Surprised how Seri is being used and I agree that it seems likely he would move if a good offer came in from a top club.
However we have Cairney and Reed who could slip nicely into that deep midfield role.
Quote from: filham on August 24, 2021, 02:26:47 PM
Quote from: twang on August 24, 2021, 01:19:22 PM
Quote from: jayffc on August 24, 2021, 12:53:06 PM
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 24, 2021, 12:27:39 PM
From what I have heard we are definitely in the market for one of those players that play upfront or on the wing. Probably a loan. I was told by Tom Barclay that we are trying for Obafemi but he prefers other clubs at this stage. Something about he wants to play up front and not as a rotation option.
The club is anticipating that when Kongolo returns this will be the end of his long term injury problems.
Hector, MLM, one of Christie/Sess, Anguissa, Knockaert are all players we definitely want to shift. There are talks that one of Bryan or Robinson as well as Seri could go.
Big last 7 days coming up.
Would actually be gutted to see Seri go just as he's finding form for us. If he returns to his former glory it would be like having a huge new signing
Definitely. But Seri is also a player that we most likely couldn't receive a fee for a month ago so if a club comes in with a £5-10m offer I can't see us turning it down.
Surprised how Seri is being used and I agree that it seems likely he would move if a good offer came in from a top club.
However we have Cairney and Reed who could slip nicely into that deep midfield role.
Personally I think Cairney is done sadly, due to his injury issues.
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 24, 2021, 12:56:40 PM
Some interesting comments from Marco Silva on Fulham's recruitment – courtesy of the Athletic's Peter Rutzler. Asked specifically about the arrival of Rodrigo Muniz from Flamengo, the Fulham head coach said:
"Was he a player that I asked the board to sign? Definitely. Like I asked to sign Harry Wilson, and like I asked to sign Paulo Gazzaniga. I cannot see football in a different way. You work with the board, but to be clear, they were players I asked 100 per cent to be signed. Rodrigo was a player that came from myself to the club, and of course after the club analysed him and all the others as well."
Silva's insistence on prolonging Fulham's interest in the Brazilian striker, which looked like floundering earlier this summer when Flamengo rejected the club's initial loan offer, may hint at a change in transfer strategy or at least greater influence for the new head coach than some of his predecessors have enjoyed. It is noteworthy that Silva suggests that the signings of Paulo Gazzaniga and Harry Wilson originated with him rather than other members of the club's recruitment team.
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/08/silva-asked-board-to-sign-muniz/
Not sure if this means that the much maligned three tick process has changed much, could easily say that "asking for" could mean that he ticked his box. Muniz was a suggestion from him clearly though, but the others were likely options put up to him as he singles out Muniz as "a player that came from myself to the club".
I'm not entirely sure why everyone is so surprised at the way Seri is currently being used, he is playing the same role now as he played at Nice.
Quote from: Tabby on August 24, 2021, 04:51:22 PM
I'm not entirely sure why everyone is so surprised at the way Seri is currently being used, he is playing the same role now as he played at Nice.
Well I would have thought he lacked physical qualities, height in particular, for defensive duties and that Reed and Anguissa would have been prefered in that position.
The selection probably shows how attack minded Silva is.
Might need a new right back
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on August 24, 2021, 05:46:50 PM
Might need a new right back
I imagine Tete is out for some time then.
Fred on loan so
Quote from: filham on August 24, 2021, 05:36:56 PM
Quote from: Tabby on August 24, 2021, 04:51:22 PM
I'm not entirely sure why everyone is so surprised at the way Seri is currently being used, he is playing the same role now as he played at Nice.
Well I would have thought he lacked physical qualities, height in particular, for defensive duties and that Reed and Anguissa would have been prefered in that position.
The selection probably shows how attack minded Silva is.
He's the same height as Kante and like Kante he's not afraid to get stuck in.
Based on tonight's lineup Fabri, Christie and Le Marchand are definitely the squad players that the club is looking to sell. While Sessegnon and Fossey are likely to leave on I guess.
Quote from: twang on August 24, 2021, 07:37:27 PM
Based on tonight's lineup Fabri, Christie and Le Marchand are definitely the squad players that the club is looking to sell. While Sessegnon and Fossey are likely to leave on I guess.
I should have a lie down. Us mortals have no idea who stays, goes, is loaned out, who else comes in. Just chill & wait for the Offal to confirm things.
Quote from: grandad on August 24, 2021, 07:41:35 PM
Quote from: twang on August 24, 2021, 07:37:27 PM
Based on tonight's lineup Fabri, Christie and Le Marchand are definitely the squad players that the club is looking to sell. While Sessegnon and Fossey are likely to leave on I guess.
I should have a lie down. Us mortals have no idea who stays, goes, is loaned out, who else comes in. Just chill & wait for the Offal to confirm things.
Or perhaps stay away from the Silly Season thread...
Quote from: twang on August 24, 2021, 07:37:27 PM
Based on tonight's lineup Fabri, Christie and Le Marchand are definitely the squad players that the club is looking to sell. While Sessegnon and Fossey are likely to leave on I guess.
ignore the grouch above
I think you are right
there seems to be an odd story behind the fabri besiktas deal? does anyone know more?
I've done a 180 on Seri and would 100% look to keep him at this point unless a huge offer comes in. Might be even more important to us now than Anguissa which shows how things can change in just a few games!
No might about it. I agree on Seri and remain far from convinced by big Frank. The world seems to think otherwise though so, if he wants to stay and no-one makes a mega offer, keep them both but priority for me is keep Seri. Can't believe how he's making us purr.
The only reason I can see for selling Seri is if we absolutely need his wages off the books and some kind of fee to balance FFP (with the presumption we sign a replacement but go for the deferred payment strategy again). Commitment doesn't seem to be an issue at all based on how he's been making challenges and celebrating with the team, and his quality is clear.
Given Cairney's fitness (plus StefJo's departure and presuming Anguissa leaves) we only really have 2 other DM/CMs in Reed and Onomah, so if Seri goes you absolutely need to bring in someone who is capable of starting regularly at this level.
Quote from: itombomb on August 25, 2021, 12:16:26 AM
The only reason I can see for selling Seri is if we absolutely need his wages off the books and some kind of fee to balance FFP (with the presumption we sign a replacement but go for the deferred payment strategy again). Commitment doesn't seem to be an issue at all based on how he's been making challenges and celebrating with the team, and his quality is clear.
Given Cairney's fitness (plus StefJo's departure and presuming Anguissa leaves) we only really have 2 other DM/CMs in Reed and Onomah, so if Seri goes you absolutely need to bring in someone who is capable of starting regularly at this level.
Do we though? We didn't spend much last year. Maybe we'll be okay if we flog MLM and Knockaert and possibly Anguissa, though I'd be loathe to lose him.
Apart from the MLM rumour a couple of days ago every other post has been pure supposition based on people's perception of FFP. Hopefully things are going on in the background especially as we have mounting injury worries.
Phil Jones anyone? I hear there's still a little space in the treatment room.
https://www.90min.com/posts/man-utd-transfer-news-phil-jones-fulham-interest-championship
Manchester United defender Phil Jones could still leave Old Trafford before next week's transfer deadline following interest from Championship club Fulham.
Jones hasn't played a competitive game for United for 19 months, largely because of long-term knee trouble, and faces an impossible task of establishing himself back in the team.
The 29-year-old, once billed as a future England captain, has only twice played more than 26 games in all competitions in a single season since joining United a decade ago and not at all since 2014.
Jones did play part of United's recent closed warm-up game against Burnley and has been tipped for a role as the squad's fifth centre-back this season. However, that is unlikely to yield much playing time and despite regaining fitness he still didn't even make the bench at the weekend.
90min understands that Fulham are among a handful of Championship teams showing interest in Jones. The most likely scenario would be a loan, with United still paying the majority of his wages, but it could give him the kind of regular playing time he needs to resurrect his stalled career.
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Might need a new right back
I imagine Tete is out for some time then.
When will we find out how long?
Silva described him, Carvalho and Ream yesterday as having "knocks". Perhaps he doesn't want to give any further information out atm but it would be good to know I agree!
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 25, 2021, 12:10:07 PM
Phil Jones anyone? I hear there's still a little space in the treatment room.
https://www.90min.com/posts/man-utd-transfer-news-phil-jones-fulham-interest-championship
Manchester United defender Phil Jones could still leave Old Trafford before next week's transfer deadline following interest from Championship club Fulham.
Jones hasn't played a competitive game for United for 19 months, largely because of long-term knee trouble, and faces an impossible task of establishing himself back in the team.
The 29-year-old, once billed as a future England captain, has only twice played more than 26 games in all competitions in a single season since joining United a decade ago and not at all since 2014.
Jones did play part of United's recent closed warm-up game against Burnley and has been tipped for a role as the squad's fifth centre-back this season. However, that is unlikely to yield much playing time and despite regaining fitness he still didn't even make the bench at the weekend.
90min understands that Fulham are among a handful of Championship teams showing interest in Jones. The most likely scenario would be a loan, with United still paying the majority of his wages, but it could give him the kind of regular playing time he needs to resurrect his stalled career.
I don't see why we need him? We have more than enough capable centre backs. Is he even an upgrade on Mawson/Ream at this point?
We always get a load of random players linked yo us at the close of every window.
Always fun but so many desperate players and agents!
As for Jones, can't see why we would do it?
Quote from: Pluto on August 25, 2021, 12:14:23 PM
I don't see why we need him? We have more than enough capable centre backs. Is he even an upgrade on Mawson/Ream at this point?
He's played at RB before, but i agree with you. The only part of his profile that fits our usual transfer target requirements is that he's injury-prone :005:
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Quote from: Barrett487 on August 25, 2021, 12:10:07 PM
Phil Jones anyone? I hear there's still a little space in the treatment room.
https://www.90min.com/posts/man-utd-transfer-news-phil-jones-fulham-interest-championship
Manchester United defender Phil Jones could still leave Old Trafford before next week's transfer deadline following interest from Championship club Fulham.
Jones hasn't played a competitive game for United for 19 months, largely because of long-term knee trouble, and faces an impossible task of establishing himself back in the team.
The 29-year-old, once billed as a future England captain, has only twice played more than 26 games in all competitions in a single season since joining United a decade ago and not at all since 2014.
Jones did play part of United's recent closed warm-up game against Burnley and has been tipped for a role as the squad's fifth centre-back this season. However, that is unlikely to yield much playing time and despite regaining fitness he still didn't even make the bench at the weekend.
90min understands that Fulham are among a handful of Championship teams showing interest in Jones. The most likely scenario would be a loan, with United still paying the majority of his wages, but it could give him the kind of regular playing time he needs to resurrect his stalled career.
I don't see why we need him? We have more than enough capable centre backs. Is he even an upgrade on Mawson/Ream at this point?
Phil Jones. This thread is definitely living up to its name ...
Quote from: Pluto on August 25, 2021, 12:14:23 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 25, 2021, 12:10:07 PM
Phil Jones anyone? I hear there's still a little space in the treatment room.
https://www.90min.com/posts/man-utd-transfer-news-phil-jones-fulham-interest-championship
Manchester United defender Phil Jones could still leave Old Trafford before next week's transfer deadline following interest from Championship club Fulham.
Jones hasn't played a competitive game for United for 19 months, largely because of long-term knee trouble, and faces an impossible task of establishing himself back in the team.
The 29-year-old, once billed as a future England captain, has only twice played more than 26 games in all competitions in a single season since joining United a decade ago and not at all since 2014.
Jones did play part of United's recent closed warm-up game against Burnley and has been tipped for a role as the squad's fifth centre-back this season. However, that is unlikely to yield much playing time and despite regaining fitness he still didn't even make the bench at the weekend.
90min understands that Fulham are among a handful of Championship teams showing interest in Jones. The most likely scenario would be a loan, with United still paying the majority of his wages, but it could give him the kind of regular playing time he needs to resurrect his stalled career.
I don't see why we need him? We have more than enough capable centre backs. Is he even an upgrade on Mawson/Ream at this point?
Suspect we are just making sure that we have an emergency solution in the event that someone like Tosin is ripped away from us on deadline day, or if both Mawson and Kongolo get another long term injury.
Anyone have any updates on potential incomings or outgoings?
Quote from: We Are Premier League on August 25, 2021, 03:41:25 PM
Quote from: Pluto on August 25, 2021, 12:14:23 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 25, 2021, 12:10:07 PM
Phil Jones anyone? I hear there's still a little space in the treatment room.
https://www.90min.com/posts/man-utd-transfer-news-phil-jones-fulham-interest-championship
Manchester United defender Phil Jones could still leave Old Trafford before next week's transfer deadline following interest from Championship club Fulham.
Jones hasn't played a competitive game for United for 19 months, largely because of long-term knee trouble, and faces an impossible task of establishing himself back in the team.
The 29-year-old, once billed as a future England captain, has only twice played more than 26 games in all competitions in a single season since joining United a decade ago and not at all since 2014.
Jones did play part of United's recent closed warm-up game against Burnley and has been tipped for a role as the squad's fifth centre-back this season. However, that is unlikely to yield much playing time and despite regaining fitness he still didn't even make the bench at the weekend.
90min understands that Fulham are among a handful of Championship teams showing interest in Jones. The most likely scenario would be a loan, with United still paying the majority of his wages, but it could give him the kind of regular playing time he needs to resurrect his stalled career.
I don't see why we need him? We have more than enough capable centre backs. Is he even an upgrade on Mawson/Ream at this point?
Suspect we are just making sure that we have an emergency solution in the event that someone like Tosin is ripped away from us on deadline day, or if both Mawson and Kongolo get another long term injury.
Making sure...with an injury prone CB? Naw...this article has to be a reach. I'm sure Man Utd would love for us to take Phil Jones with a playtime requirement clause in it.
I'd take Tuanzebe though...oh wait.
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https://www.football365.com/news/man-united-defender-phil-jones-wanted-fulham-surprise-loan-move
Quote from: rebel on August 25, 2021, 05:40:12 PM
https://www.football365.com/news/man-united-defender-phil-jones-wanted-fulham-surprise-loan-move
Yeah. Great move that'd be.
We could then stick a red cross on our white shirts and call ourselves The Old Traford Old Crocks Rehabilitation Home.
Fortunately these rumours come from those tuppeny-ha'penny schoolboy fiction blogs that clog up the internet.
Mind you, few could resist this ringing endorsement from Rio Ferdinand who, I'm guessing, is not the player's agent:
"He's taking up a youth team player's position in that squad right now," Ferdinand said. "He's had too many injuries... I was in the same team as Phil Jones, he came from Blackburn as a young kid, everyone was saying he was going to be this great player.
"Huge potential but injuries have absolutely annihilated his career and then confidence issues at certain times as well.
"He's never been able to fully establish himself in the team. Whether it's injuries, lack of form, lack of confidence. I think he should've gone ages ago. He should've gone before Chris Smalling went. Find a new club and play some football.
"He's lacked consistency throughout his career at Man United. That's a fact, for all the reasons I stated before. I am baffled at how he's still been given a new deal at the club given his past few years at the club. It just doesn't make sense to me how you get a new deal.
"I remember back in the day you'd have to do some absolute graft to get a new deal. You'd have to be putting in performances, you'd have to be a vital member of the team. Phil Jones isn't that."
Jeez, Phil Jones? No thanks on several levels...Surely just idle paper talk.
Quote from: cmg on August 25, 2021, 05:52:19 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 25, 2021, 05:40:12 PM
https://www.football365.com/news/man-united-defender-phil-jones-wanted-fulham-surprise-loan-move
Yeah. Great move that'd be.
We could then stick a red cross on our white shirts and call ourselves The Old Traford Old Crocks Rehabilitation Home.
Fortunately these rumours come from those tuppeny-ha'penny schoolboy fiction blogs that clog up the internet.
Mind you, few could resist this ringing endorsement from Rio Ferdinand who, I'm guessing, is not the player's agent:
"He's taking up a youth team player's position in that squad right now," Ferdinand said. "He's had too many injuries... I was in the same team as Phil Jones, he came from Blackburn as a young kid, everyone was saying he was going to be this great player.
"Huge potential but injuries have absolutely annihilated his career and then confidence issues at certain times as well.
"He's never been able to fully establish himself in the team. Whether it's injuries, lack of form, lack of confidence. I think he should've gone ages ago. He should've gone before Chris Smalling went. Find a new club and play some football.
"He's lacked consistency throughout his career at Man United. That's a fact, for all the reasons I stated before. I am baffled at how he's still been given a new deal at the club given his past few years at the club. It just doesn't make sense to me how you get a new deal.
"I remember back in the day you'd have to do some absolute graft to get a new deal. You'd have to be putting in performances, you'd have to be a vital member of the team. Phil Jones isn't that."
Yeah because we don't have enough centre backs at the club.
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Phil Jones anyone? I hear there's still a little space in the treatment room.
https://www.90min.com/posts/man-utd-transfer-news-phil-jones-fulham-interest-championship
Manchester United defender Phil Jones could still leave Old Trafford before next week's transfer deadline following interest from Championship club Fulham.
Jones hasn't played a competitive game for United for 19 months, largely because of long-term knee trouble, and faces an impossible task of establishing himself back in the team.
The 29-year-old, once billed as a future England captain, has only twice played more than 26 games in all competitions in a single season since joining United a decade ago and not at all since 2014.
Jones did play part of United's recent closed warm-up game against Burnley and has been tipped for a role as the squad's fifth centre-back this season. However, that is unlikely to yield much playing time and despite regaining fitness he still didn't even make the bench at the weekend.
90min understands that Fulham are among a handful of Championship teams showing interest in Jones. The most likely scenario would be a loan, with United still paying the majority of his wages, but it could give him the kind of regular playing time he needs to resurrect his stalled career.
I don't see why we need him? We have more than enough capable centre backs. Is he even an upgrade on Mawson/Ream at this point?
Suspect we are just making sure that we have an emergency solution in the event that someone like Tosin is ripped away from us on deadline day, or if both Mawson and Kongolo get another long term injury.
Making sure...with an injury prone CB? Naw...this article has to be a reach. I'm sure Man Utd would love for us to take Phil Jones with a playtime requirement clause in it.
I'd take Tuanzebe though...oh wait.
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I'd love Tuanzebe but he's already gone to Villa on loan.
Hear Harry Kanes only staying at spurs so he can moved to Fulham next year.
I actually wouldn't mind Phil Jones if he's fit.
He would tick the boxes we're after- he can play centre back, right back and as a defensive midfielder. He has a lot of experience as well.
Quote from: LC on August 25, 2021, 08:04:39 PM
I actually wouldn't mind Phil Jones if he's fit.
He would tick the boxes we're after- he can play centre back, right back and as a defensive midfielder. He has a lot of experience as well.
No wonder this topic is called the Silly Season Summer Transfer Thread with your comment. Barking mad anyone who wants this crock.
Quote from: grandad on August 25, 2021, 08:30:34 PM
Quote from: LC on August 25, 2021, 08:04:39 PM
I actually wouldn't mind Phil Jones if he's fit.
He would tick the boxes we're after- he can play centre back, right back and as a defensive midfielder. He has a lot of experience as well.
No wonder this topic is called the Silly Season Summer Transfer Thread with your comment. Barking mad anyone who wants this crock.
Agree, high wages and high maintenance but low contribution. Steer clear I'd say.
Le Marchand on way to Strasbourg apparently
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/08/le-marchand-set-for-strasbourg/
Phil Jones would be a similar transfer to Ruben Loftus-Cheek. That was a total failure. Would rather not risk it.
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on August 25, 2021, 09:02:28 PM
Le Marchand on way to Strasbourg apparently
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/08/le-marchand-set-for-strasbourg/
Making way for Fill 'the treatment room' Jones
Quote from: grandad on August 25, 2021, 08:30:34 PM
Quote from: LC on August 25, 2021, 08:04:39 PM
I actually wouldn't mind Phil Jones if he's fit.
He would tick the boxes we're after- he can play centre back, right back and as a defensive midfielder. He has a lot of experience as well.
No wonder this topic is called the Silly Season Summer Transfer Thread with your comment. Barking mad anyone who wants this crock.
A lot of people said that when I wanted to bring in Lingard last January..
I would absolutely take Jones, presuming United were to cover a large chunk/all his wages.
Also, chill out, it's a football forum, the idea is to share opinions.
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Quote from: grandad on August 25, 2021, 08:30:34 PM
Quote from: LC on August 25, 2021, 08:04:39 PM
I actually wouldn't mind Phil Jones if he's fit.
He would tick the boxes we're after- he can play centre back, right back and as a defensive midfielder. He has a lot of experience as well.
No wonder this topic is called the Silly Season Summer Transfer Thread with your comment. Barking mad anyone who wants this crock.
A lot of people said that when I wanted to bring in Lingard last January..
I would absolutely take Jones, presuming United were to cover a large chunk/all his wages.
Also, chill out, it's a football forum, the idea is to share opinions.
You're entitled to your opinion. Personally, I'm curious why you'd want us to bring in Phil when we already have Mawson and Hector, who can both be good CBs in the Championship. And we already have an injury prone CB in Mawson...and apparently one in Kongolo. Why in the world would you take a chance on a 3rd, who has no future with the club?
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Quote from: LC on August 26, 2021, 12:09:56 AM
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Quote from: LC on August 25, 2021, 08:04:39 PM
I actually wouldn't mind Phil Jones if he's fit.
He would tick the boxes we're after- he can play centre back, right back and as a defensive midfielder. He has a lot of experience as well.
No wonder this topic is called the Silly Season Summer Transfer Thread with your comment. Barking mad anyone who wants this crock.
A lot of people said that when I wanted to bring in Lingard last January..
I would absolutely take Jones, presuming United were to cover a large chunk/all his wages.
Also, chill out, it's a football forum, the idea is to share opinions.
You're entitled to your opinion. Personally, I'm curious why you'd want us to bring in Phil when we already have Mawson and Hector, who can both be good CBs in the Championship. And we already have an injury-prone CB in Mawson...and apparently one in Kongolo. Why in the world would you take a chance on a 3rd, who has no future with the club?
If we were thinking of selling three players out of Hector, MLM, Ream, Odoi, Christie, and Anguissa; then it makes sense to bring in someone (like Phil Jones) that can cover center-back, right-back, and defensive midfield. The Reality is that none of the players out of Hector, MLM, Ream, Odoi, and Christie will ever play Premier League again; so one utility defender maybe enough to replace a couple of them and the sale will raise some money.
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Quote from: grandad on August 25, 2021, 08:30:34 PM
Quote from: LC on August 25, 2021, 08:04:39 PM
I actually wouldn't mind Phil Jones if he's fit.
He would tick the boxes we're after- he can play centre back, right back and as a defensive midfielder. He has a lot of experience as well.
No wonder this topic is called the Silly Season Summer Transfer Thread with your comment. Barking mad anyone who wants this crock.
A lot of people said that when I wanted to bring in Lingard last January..
I would absolutely take Jones, presuming United were to cover a large chunk/all his wages.
Also, chill out, it's a football forum, the idea is to share opinions.
You're entitled to your opinion. Personally, I'm curious why you'd want us to bring in Phil when we already have Mawson and Hector, who can both be good CBs in the Championship. And we already have an injury-prone CB in Mawson...and apparently one in Kongolo. Why in the world would you take a chance on a 3rd, who has no future with the club?
If we were thinking of selling three players out of Hector, MLM, Ream, Odoi, Christie, and Anguissa; then it makes sense to bring in someone (like Phil Jones) that can cover center-back, right-back, and defensive midfield. The Reality is that none of the players out of Hector, MLM, Ream, Odoi, and Christie will ever play Premier League again; so one utility defender maybe enough to replace a couple of them and the sale will raise some money.
And when you make that investment...and said player is out for two months due to injury (https://www.transfermarkt.us/phil-jones/verletzungen/spieler/117996).
Again...why PHIL JONES? I'm not saying someone like Phil Jones whose way more physically reliable, wouldn't be a good idea. Phil Jones is a poor choice. And are you planning to start him over Tosin and Ream? ManUtd won't loan him to be a sub.
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Quote from: LC on August 26, 2021, 12:09:56 AM
Quote from: grandad on August 25, 2021, 08:30:34 PM
Quote from: LC on August 25, 2021, 08:04:39 PM
I actually wouldn't mind Phil Jones if he's fit.
He would tick the boxes we're after- he can play centre back, right back and as a defensive midfielder. He has a lot of experience as well.
No wonder this topic is called the Silly Season Summer Transfer Thread with your comment. Barking mad anyone who wants this crock.
A lot of people said that when I wanted to bring in Lingard last January..
I would absolutely take Jones, presuming United were to cover a large chunk/all his wages.
Also, chill out, it's a football forum, the idea is to share opinions.
You're entitled to your opinion. Personally, I'm curious why you'd want us to bring in Phil when we already have Mawson and Hector, who can both be good CBs in the Championship. And we already have an injury-prone CB in Mawson...and apparently one in Kongolo. Why in the world would you take a chance on a 3rd, who has no future with the club?
If we were thinking of selling three players out of Hector, MLM, Ream, Odoi, Christie, and Anguissa; then it makes sense to bring in someone (like Phil Jones) that can cover center-back, right-back, and defensive midfield. The Reality is that none of the players out of Hector, MLM, Ream, Odoi, and Christie will ever play Premier League again; so one utility defender maybe enough to replace a couple of them and the sale will raise some money.
And when you make that investment...and said player is out for two months due to injury (https://www.transfermarkt.us/phil-jones/verletzungen/spieler/117996). Again...why PHIL JONES? I'm not saying someone like Phil Jones whose way more physically reliable, wouldn't be a good idea. Phil Jones is a poor choice. And are you planning to start him over Tosin and Ream? ManUtd won't loan him to be a sub.
I wouldn't hesitate to play a "fully fit Phil Jones" ahead of "Tim Ream", although I doubt Phil Jones can stay fit.
completely agree no to another sick note player.
Quote from: ken 44 on August 26, 2021, 06:20:43 AM
completely agree no to another sick note player.
We have to sell players until we reach FFP, we could do worse than sell Hector, MLM, Christie, and Anguissa then bring in Phil Jones on loan practically for free. Warning in order to reach FFP Deadline Day could be a BLOOD BATH.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 26, 2021, 06:41:24 AM
Quote from: ken 44 on August 26, 2021, 06:20:43 AM
completely agree no to another sick note player.
We have to sell players until we reach FFP, we could do worse than sell Hector, MLM, Christie, and Anguissa then bring in Phil Jones on loan practically for free. Warning in order to reach FFP Deadline Day could be a BLOOD BATH.
I fear you may be right about FFP + deadline day = blood bath. Our squad looks insanely expensive (and high wages) for the Championship but without knowing the details of our finances it's pure guesswork of course.
I still wouldn't want Phil Jones though. Far too risky. We've not had much luck with injury prone CBs.
Anguissa and MLM will probably be sold. Let's hope we can keep the rest of the squad intact. At least the ones that are worth keeping.
Not a fan of Phil Jones it has to be said, but didnt Chambers have a history of injuries before he came to us? Maybe he had been over them for a season or so but hadn't played for the arsenal in that time. I know JOnes hasnt played for Man Ut for 19 months or so but has he been injured all that time?
Aside from that I remember a lot of negative comments about Chambers when we were linked and then we he signed, but didnt he end up player of the season?
Anyway back to Jones, he probably wouldnt do a Chambers with us, and he isnt a player I would look at perosnally, ut if we sold 3-5 players across the bank line and holding midfield, would he be that bad as cover? As long as there is no strange clause saying we had to play him that is
Quote from: junior white on August 26, 2021, 07:15:37 AM
Not a fan of Phil Jones it has to be said, but didnt Chambers have a history of injuries before he came to us? Maybe he had been over them for a season or so but hadn't played for the arsenal in that time. I know JOnes hasnt played for Man Ut for 19 months or so but has he been injured all that time?
Aside from that I remember a lot of negative comments about Chambers when we were linked and then we he signed, but didnt he end up player of the season?
Anyway back to Jones, he probably wouldnt do a Chambers with us, and he isnt a player I would look at perosnally, ut if we sold 3-5 players across the bank line and holding midfield, would he be that bad as cover? As long as there is no strange clause saying we had to play him that is
As long a he stays fit, also. We certainly don't want another cb queuing up in the treatment room.
Not sure that clauses about having to play loan players exist - hard to imagine any manager would agree to this, but maybe I'm wrong, but seems crazy. I know people said that about RLC.
I suppose if you loan a player from a top club, you feel he should play, and there is probably pressure to play him or fans would say why get him in, in the first place?
Obviously Chambers did really well for us, when he moved into midfield.
Phil Jones holds nothing back. Does anyone truly remember watching him? He will give it his all for whatever assignment is given to him. I think at this point as well we need to trust Silva and who he wants to sign. A hard-nosed, no-nonsense defender would lead by example and there'd be no doubt in your mind of what you're getting when Phil Jones steps onto the pitch. The only ones who are worried about him getting injured are supporters and the other player brave enough to face him and not being stuck in.
Maybe they are eyeing him up for a defensive midfield role knowing that there may be an outgoing or two of key players.
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Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 26, 2021, 06:41:24 AM
Quote from: ken 44 on August 26, 2021, 06:20:43 AM
completely agree no to another sick note player.
We have to sell players until we reach FFP, we could do worse than sell Hector, MLM, Christie, and Anguissa then bring in Phil Jones on loan practically for free. Warning in order to reach FFP Deadline Day could be a BLOOD BATH.
I fear you may be right about FFP + deadline day = blood bath. Our squad looks insanely expensive (and high wages) for the Championship but without knowing the details of our finances it's pure guesswork of course.
I still wouldn't want Phil Jones though. Far too risky. We've not had much luck with injury prone CBs.
Anguissa and MLM will probably be sold. Let's hope we can keep the rest of the squad intact. At least the ones that are worth keeping.
We are only allowed FFP losses of £61m over the last three seasons (19/20, 20/21 & 21/22).
We lost £74m before players sales in 2019/20, balanced that with player sales of £30m (Sess & Elliott), we probably lost around £10m last season, and look likely to lose £61m before players' sales in 2021/22, so youth exceptions (maybe £21m), coivd exceptions (maybe £10m) and profit players sales need to make up the difference. This means TK has to make sales profit of around £23m (balancing -74+30-10+21+10) above book value.
If Anguissa is sold for £30m, then things will be fine (Kamara £3m profit + Anguissa £20m profit); but if he can only get £15m for Anguissa say because he demands a pay-rise to move, then the "Blood Bath Fire Sale" might begin (Kamara £3m profit + Anguissa £5m profit + Rodak £4m + Robinson £6m + Cairney £5m etc). Making promotion much tougher.
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Quote from: junior white on August 26, 2021, 07:15:37 AM
Not a fan of Phil Jones it has to be said, but didnt Chambers have a history of injuries before he came to us? Maybe he had been over them for a season or so but hadn't played for the arsenal in that time. I know JOnes hasnt played for Man Ut for 19 months or so but has he been injured all that time?
Aside from that I remember a lot of negative comments about Chambers when we were linked and then we he signed, but didnt he end up player of the season?
Anyway back to Jones, he probably wouldnt do a Chambers with us, and he isnt a player I would look at perosnally, ut if we sold 3-5 players across the bank line and holding midfield, would he be that bad as cover? As long as there is no strange clause saying we had to play him that is
As long a he stays fit, also. We certainly don't want another cb queuing up in the treatment room.
Not sure that clauses about having to play loan players exist - hard to imagine any manager would agree to this, but maybe I'm wrong, but seems crazy. I know people said that about RLC.
I suppose if you loan a player from a top club, you feel he should play, and there is probably pressure to play him or fans would say why get him in, in the first place?
Obviously Chambers did really well for us, when he moved into midfield.
Agree with the stay fit part.
I didnt htink they did too re the clauses, but some on this board are adamant the RLC had one and had to play a set amount of games.
Laugh of the day. Roma want to sign RLC for 13.5 Mil. This has replaced the laugh of the day about signing Jones.
Just a note on the FFP stuff that people keep going on about. Wasnt there an option during covid where owners could put money into the clubs to help with FFP? I'm sure I read somewhere that Khan put in 150m. Add that to the 140m prize money we got from the PL and the parachute payments this year (I believe they went up to 60m this year for the first year).
I really cant see us being that close to FFP, especially with not spending anything on transfer fees last season
While I'm personally not sure about signing Phil Jones ( if the rumours are even true) I don't really understand the people saying not another sick note, surely the club would look at his fitness situation before making the deal and even if he did turn out to be a sick note we could
Just terminate the loan.
For what's it worth I don't think we need a centre back but a fully fit Phil Jones would be the best defender in the championship.
Quote from: Cookie6262 on August 26, 2021, 09:22:11 AM
While I'm personally not sure about signing Phil Jones ( if the rumours are even true) I don't really understand the people saying not another sick note, surely the club would look at his fitness situation before making the deal and even if he did turn out to be a sick note we could
Just terminate the loan.
For what's it worth I don't think we need a centre back but a fully fit Phil Jones would be the best defender in the championship.
I believe the riles now only allow for the loaning club to terminate a loan during an open transfer window and only with the agreement of the parent club who loaned the player out. That is unless there is a clause that allows the returning to happen.
I think the parent club can, if it s a serious injury, insist th payer returns to them for treatment, but I am fairly sure that doesnt end the loan period unless again both clubs agree to do so, then I presume it is from the next open transfer window.
Quote from: Nero on August 25, 2021, 07:48:04 PM
Hear Harry Kanes only staying at spurs so he can moved to Fulham next year.
I don't think so, Spurs would prefer to sell him for more than we would pay and use the transfer money to buy Carvalho.
From MN on tfi...reliable guy
"My soruce tells me Fulham are circulating the following list of players they are willing to let go.
Fabrio
Hector
Kongolo
Christie
Cairney
Zambo Anguissa
Knockhaert
Any offers?"
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 26, 2021, 11:04:00 AM
From MN on tfi...reliable guy
"My soruce tells me Fulham are circulating the following list of players they are willing to let go.
Fabrio
Hector
Kongolo
Christie
Cairney
Zambo Anguissa
Knockhaert
Any offers?"
Worrying when two of the players names are spelt wrong.
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 26, 2021, 11:04:00 AM
From MN on tfi...reliable guy
"My soruce tells me Fulham are circulating the following list of players they are willing to let go.
Fabrio
Hector
Kongolo
Christie
Cairney
Zambo Anguissa
Knockhaert
Any offers?"
Considering the window closes, is it 5 days time?, then it would be unlikely that 2 of those are even on the list as they are not trinaing from MS's updates.
Any other rumours going around at the minute?
Can see Zambo leaving over the weekend as well as MLM and Knocks.
For me we need a CM and a winger still
I find it hard to believe that we would be trying to offload one or both of Hector and Kongolo, plus Cairney who would surely not pass a medical at the moment?
The players that we could or should offload are:
Christie or Sessegnon (loan or sell)
MLM (loan or sell)
Knockaert (loan or sell)
Fabbri (loan or sell)
Anguissa (sell to generate funds for a defensive midfielder as back for Reed)
I am sick & tired of the hype from the Copy & Paste rubbish sites of the Phil Jones story. He is a constant sick note, smacks of the RLC farce, is not needed nor wanted. Let Manure do their own dirty work & play him themselves.
While i'm sure we do want to offload some of those players mentioned above, I think us circulating a list of those players to other clubs is an absolute load of b*****ks.
As some have already and quite rightly pointed out, some of those names won't even be training or fit before the end of the window so no chance of a sale as won't pass medicals, so why circulate their names on a list to all and sundry? Twitter rumours are worth listening to about once or twice in any hundred pumped out - and there are bloody thousands every day.
This almost certainly one of the BS ones - "reliable" journo or not. Absolutely reeks of someone putting 2 and 2 together after reading FFC supporter speculation about our FFP situation and assuming which players are most likely for sale. They are likely to be right about half to two thirds of the names on that list, but that actual list supposedly being circulated is nonsense.
Ha!
Well done, count f, I was in the midst of writing almost the exact same thing.
As if any club would go passing around a list of players they no longer want for various and sundry to see and circulate?! Not to mention the obvious fact that a couple of those listed couldn't pass a medical before the deadline. Seems entirely fabricated.
Do I believe that some on that list may move before the deadline? Certainly, but that doesn't mean there's any truth to this story, just that the people who made it up are somewhat familiar with our roster
.... besides which a fit Cairney & Kongolo could be priceless in our quest. Find the rumour a bit rich!
These Jones rumours are gathering momentum ,personally I hope we don't sign him but will always give new players a chance
Athletic saying Jones won't leave Utd this summer so can cross that one off the list.
MLM to Strasbourg sounds all but done, permanent deal according to GFFN.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 26, 2021, 05:45:58 AM
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I actually wouldn't mind Phil Jones if he's fit.
He would tick the boxes we're after- he can play centre back, right back and as a defensive midfielder. He has a lot of experience as well.
No wonder this topic is called the Silly Season Summer Transfer Thread with your comment. Barking mad anyone who wants this crock.
A lot of people said that when I wanted to bring in Lingard last January..
I would absolutely take Jones, presuming United were to cover a large chunk/all his wages.
Also, chill out, it's a football forum, the idea is to share opinions.
You're entitled to your opinion. Personally, I'm curious why you'd want us to bring in Phil when we already have Mawson and Hector, who can both be good CBs in the Championship. And we already have an injury-prone CB in Mawson...and apparently one in Kongolo. Why in the world would you take a chance on a 3rd, who has no future with the club?
If we were thinking of selling three players out of Hector, MLM, Ream, Odoi, Christie, and Anguissa; then it makes sense to bring in someone (like Phil Jones) that can cover center-back, right-back, and defensive midfield. The Reality is that none of the players out of Hector, MLM, Ream, Odoi, and Christie will ever play Premier League again; so one utility defender maybe enough to replace a couple of them and the sale will raise some money.
And when you make that investment...and said player is out for two months due to injury (https://www.transfermarkt.us/phil-jones/verletzungen/spieler/117996). Again...why PHIL JONES? I'm not saying someone like Phil Jones whose way more physically reliable, wouldn't be a good idea. Phil Jones is a poor choice. And are you planning to start him over Tosin and Ream? ManUtd won't loan him to be a sub.
I wouldn't hesitate to play a "fully fit Phil Jones" ahead of "Tim Ream", although I doubt Phil Jones can stay fit.
Again, if everyone read my original post, I said I would take him if he's fit.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 26, 2021, 03:03:16 AM
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Quote from: LC on August 25, 2021, 08:04:39 PM
I actually wouldn't mind Phil Jones if he's fit.
He would tick the boxes we're after- he can play centre back, right back and as a defensive midfielder. He has a lot of experience as well.
No wonder this topic is called the Silly Season Summer Transfer Thread with your comment. Barking mad anyone who wants this crock.
A lot of people said that when I wanted to bring in Lingard last January..
I would absolutely take Jones, presuming United were to cover a large chunk/all his wages.
Also, chill out, it's a football forum, the idea is to share opinions.
You're entitled to your opinion. Personally, I'm curious why you'd want us to bring in Phil when we already have Mawson and Hector, who can both be good CBs in the Championship. And we already have an injury-prone CB in Mawson...and apparently one in Kongolo. Why in the world would you take a chance on a 3rd, who has no future with the club?
If we were thinking of selling three players out of Hector, MLM, Ream, Odoi, Christie, and Anguissa; then it makes sense to bring in someone (like Phil Jones) that can cover center-back, right-back, and defensive midfield. The Reality is that none of the players out of Hector, MLM, Ream, Odoi, and Christie will ever play Premier League again; so one utility defender maybe enough to replace a couple of them and the sale will raise some money.
My thinking exactly.
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 26, 2021, 11:04:00 AM
From MN on tfi...reliable guy
"My soruce tells me Fulham are circulating the following list of players they are willing to let go.
Fabrio
Hector
Kongolo
Christie
Cairney
Zambo Anguissa
Knockhaert
Any offers?"
I call BS.
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 26, 2021, 11:04:00 AM
From MN on tfi...reliable guy
"My soruce tells me Fulham are circulating the following list of players they are willing to let go.
Fabrio
Hector
Kongolo
Christie
Cairney
Zambo Anguissa
Knockhaert
Any offers?"
Did you not have a go at WSW for in your own opinion "being a fantasist" giving us transfer news, and yet here you are taking people on the ultimate FFC WUM forum (where you can set your name to mimic people) as an "accurate" source of transfer news when the person can't even spell the players names?
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 26, 2021, 02:50:20 PM
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 26, 2021, 11:04:00 AM
From MN on tfi...reliable guy
"My soruce tells me Fulham are circulating the following list of players they are willing to let go.
Fabrio
Hector
Kongolo
Christie
Cairney
Zambo Anguissa
Knockhaert
Any offers?"
Did you not have a go at WSW for in your own opinion "being a fantasist" giving us transfer news, and yet here you are taking people on the ultimate FFC WUM forum (where you can set your name to mimic people) as an "accurate" source of transfer news when the person can't even spell the players names?
Do I not provide a source for my information? Stating where I get it?
Your precious WSW was posting about Wilder/Cooper while that TFI guy was saying Silva.
Put me on ignore
It is all speculation until its official. So the amount of truly reliable nonsense continues and is welcome to pass the time. But let's not pretend it means much until the smoke is seen from Cottage chimney and band strikes up.
All good fun but to be taken with a large pinch of 'heard from someone inside the club'.
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 26, 2021, 02:58:45 PM
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Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 26, 2021, 11:04:00 AM
From MN on tfi...reliable guy
"My soruce tells me Fulham are circulating the following list of players they are willing to let go.
Fabrio
Hector
Kongolo
Christie
Cairney
Zambo Anguissa
Knockhaert
Any offers?"
Did you not have a go at WSW for in your own opinion "being a fantasist" giving us transfer news, and yet here you are taking people on the ultimate FFC WUM forum (where you can set your name to mimic people) as an "accurate" source of transfer news when the person can't even spell the players names?
Do I not provide a source for my information? Stating where I get it?
Your precious WSW was posting about Wilder/Cooper while that TFI guy was saying Silva.
Put me on ignore
Who is Fabrio? Who is Knockhaert? I seriously doubt our club are circulating any sort of list but to include two injured players and two meaningless names is beyond belief. If that's what your "source" told you then I suggest you put him or her on ignore!
Quote from: Twig on August 26, 2021, 03:05:22 PM
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Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 26, 2021, 11:04:00 AM
From MN on tfi...reliable guy
"My soruce tells me Fulham are circulating the following list of players they are willing to let go.
Fabrio
Hector
Kongolo
Christie
Cairney
Zambo Anguissa
Knockhaert
Any offers?"
Did you not have a go at WSW for in your own opinion "being a fantasist" giving us transfer news, and yet here you are taking people on the ultimate FFC WUM forum (where you can set your name to mimic people) as an "accurate" source of transfer news when the person can't even spell the players names?
Do I not provide a source for my information? Stating where I get it?
Your precious WSW was posting about Wilder/Cooper while that TFI guy was saying Silva.
Put me on ignore
Who is Fabrio? Who is Knockhaert? I seriously doubt our club are circulating any sort of list but to include two injured players and two meaningless names is beyond belief. If that's what your "source" told you then I suggest you put him or her on ignore!
It's just a guy that posts on TFI so not even a source it's just a copy of someone else's post.
In case anyone want's to know the correct spellings the names are Anthony Knockaert and Fabricio Agosto Ramirez known as Fabri and our new striker is named Rodrigo Muniz Carvalho known as Rodrigo Muniz or Rodders to his mates.092.gif
Is 89 the lowest number of pages for a Transfer window?
Surely Fulham fans should know better than anyone that a player can still be pass a medical and be transferred when they're injured
Although with that said I can't see us offloading Cairney
Wouldn't be surprised to see Kongolo go over the coming days, though
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 26, 2021, 03:14:25 PM
Is 89 the lowest number of pages for a Transfer window?
Does seem to finally be a reduction of the TK & tea lady waffle by the few on here. Thats certainly helped
Quote from: Statto on August 26, 2021, 03:22:46 PM
Surely Fulham fans should know better than anyone that a player can still be pass a medical and be transferred when they're injured
Although with that said I can't see us offloading Cairney
Wouldn't be surprised to see Kongolo go over the coming days, though
Isnt Kongolo still injured?
Quote from: junior white on August 26, 2021, 03:12:26 PM
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Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 26, 2021, 11:04:00 AM
From MN on tfi...reliable guy
"My soruce tells me Fulham are circulating the following list of players they are willing to let go.
Fabrio
Hector
Kongolo
Christie
Cairney
Zambo Anguissa
Knockhaert
Any offers?"
Did you not have a go at WSW for in your own opinion "being a fantasist" giving us transfer news, and yet here you are taking people on the ultimate FFC WUM forum (where you can set your name to mimic people) as an "accurate" source of transfer news when the person can't even spell the players names?
Do I not provide a source for my information? Stating where I get it?
Your precious WSW was posting about Wilder/Cooper while that TFI guy was saying Silva.
Put me on ignore
Who is Fabrio? Who is Knockhaert? I seriously doubt our club are circulating any sort of list but to include two injured players and two meaningless names is beyond belief. If that's what your "source" told you then I suggest you put him or her on ignore!
It's just a guy that posts on TFI so not even a source it's just a copy of someone else's post.
You say this as if I didn't make it abundantly clear in my post.
Quote from: Statto on August 26, 2021, 03:22:46 PM
Surely Fulham fans should know better than anyone that a player can still be pass a medical and be transferred when they're injured
Although with that said I can't see us offloading Cairney
Wouldn't be surprised to see Kongolo go over the coming days, though
I would be given we have him the no. 5 shirt for this season, would be a bit strange to do so if we were desperate to be rid of him
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Quote from: Statto on August 26, 2021, 03:22:46 PM
Wouldn't be surprised to see Kongolo go over the coming days, though
Can't see TK's ego allowing Kongolo to leave after 1 single appearance in a year and being crocked most of the time - especially as we likely won't get anything like what we paid for him. Even he wouldn't be able to defend that on Twitter. There are several others I see leaving this window before him purely for that reason.
Re Kongolo, I'm sure I read somewhere that the medical team reckon that once he comes back that should be the end of this particular injury issue which has kept him out so long. I can't think where I read it though.
Quote from: Statto on August 26, 2021, 03:22:46 PM
Surely Fulham fans should know better than anyone that a player can still be pass a medical and be transferred when they're injured
Although with that said I can't see us offloading Cairney
Wouldn't be surprised to see Kongolo go over the coming days, though
I would be, firstly because he's injured and secondly because he's a good player that would slot into this style of play very nicely.
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 26, 2021, 03:31:44 PM
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Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 26, 2021, 11:04:00 AM
From MN on tfi...reliable guy
"My soruce tells me Fulham are circulating the following list of players they are willing to let go.
Fabrio
Hector
Kongolo
Christie
Cairney
Zambo Anguissa
Knockhaert
Any offers?"
Did you not have a go at WSW for in your own opinion "being a fantasist" giving us transfer news, and yet here you are taking people on the ultimate FFC WUM forum (where you can set your name to mimic people) as an "accurate" source of transfer news when the person can't even spell the players names?
Do I not provide a source for my information? Stating where I get it?
Your precious WSW was posting about Wilder/Cooper while that TFI guy was saying Silva.
Put me on ignore
Who is Fabrio? Who is Knockhaert? I seriously doubt our club are circulating any sort of list but to include two injured players and two meaningless names is beyond belief. If that's what your "source" told you then I suggest you put him or her on ignore!
It's just a guy that posts on TFI so not even a source it's just a copy of someone else's post.
You say this as if I didn't make it abundantly clear in my post.
No i knew that, but your response to the bit about WSW suggested that you were an ITK and that you had a source. So i am saying it is just a post and it isnt a source, the source is what the original poster had for his in info, yours is just a cut and paste. Quite clear really
Kongolo isn't going anywhere. He's probably our best centre back if fit and his injury isn't chronic in the same way Cairney's is.
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Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 26, 2021, 11:04:00 AM
From MN on tfi...reliable guy
"My soruce tells me Fulham are circulating the following list of players they are willing to let go.
Fabrio
Hector
Kongolo
Christie
Cairney
Zambo Anguissa
Knockhaert
Any offers?"
Did you not have a go at WSW for in your own opinion "being a fantasist" giving us transfer news, and yet here you are taking people on the ultimate FFC WUM forum (where you can set your name to mimic people) as an "accurate" source of transfer news when the person can't even spell the players names?
Do I not provide a source for my information? Stating where I get it?
Your precious WSW was posting about Wilder/Cooper while that TFI guy was saying Silva.
Put me on ignore
Who is Fabrio? Who is Knockhaert? I seriously doubt our club are circulating any sort of list but to include two injured players and two meaningless names is beyond belief. If that's what your "source" told you then I suggest you put him or her on ignore!
It's just a guy that posts on TFI so not even a source it's just a copy of someone else's post.
You say this as if I didn't make it abundantly clear in my post.
No i knew that, but your response to the bit about WSW suggested that you were an ITK and that you had a source. So i am saying it is just a post and it isnt a source, the source is what the original poster had for his in info, yours is just a cut and paste. Quite clear really
What does TFI stand for and is worth looking at?
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 26, 2021, 04:34:12 PM
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Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 26, 2021, 11:04:00 AM
From MN on tfi...reliable guy
"My soruce tells me Fulham are circulating the following list of players they are willing to let go.
Fabrio
Hector
Kongolo
Christie
Cairney
Zambo Anguissa
Knockhaert
Any offers?"
Did you not have a go at WSW for in your own opinion "being a fantasist" giving us transfer news, and yet here you are taking people on the ultimate FFC WUM forum (where you can set your name to mimic people) as an "accurate" source of transfer news when the person can't even spell the players names?
Do I not provide a source for my information? Stating where I get it?
Your precious WSW was posting about Wilder/Cooper while that TFI guy was saying Silva.
Put me on ignore
Who is Fabrio? Who is Knockhaert? I seriously doubt our club are circulating any sort of list but to include two injured players and two meaningless names is beyond belief. If that's what your "source" told you then I suggest you put him or her on ignore!
It's just a guy that posts on TFI so not even a source it's just a copy of someone else's post.
You say this as if I didn't make it abundantly clear in my post.
No i knew that, but your response to the bit about WSW suggested that you were an ITK and that you had a source. So i am saying it is just a post and it isnt a source, the source is what the original poster had for his in info, yours is just a cut and paste. Quite clear really
What does TFI stand for and is worth looking at?
https://www.voy.com/13865/ - The Fulham Independent; it's full of WUM's and you can impersonate people as you pick your name when you post but the link is there if you want to have a look at it
Kongolo is one of the Premier ready players at the club should we get promoted and he gets fit. I would be amazed if we sold him unless we got a big offer. We could potentially loan him until the new year to get him match fit.
Palace have finally agreed a fee with Watford for Will Hughes, another name to scratch off the list
Quote from: JoeS on August 26, 2021, 05:18:32 PM
Palace have finally agreed a fee with Watford for Will Hughes, another name to scratch off the list
Doesn't feel like a huge loss to me?
Does the Mandy issue at City now mean they may 'renew' any interest they had in Robinson?
Quote from: EricB on August 26, 2021, 07:32:25 PM
Does the Mandy issue at City now mean they may 'renew' any interest they had in Robinson?
Surely too late in the window, they've got Cancelo, Zinchenko, Laporte who can play there. Plus, they'll spend the remainder of the window going after Cristiano
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Quote from: EricB on August 26, 2021, 07:32:25 PM
Does the Mandy issue at City now mean they may 'renew' any interest they had in Robinson?
Surely too late in the window, they've got Cancelo, Zinchenko, Laporte who can play there. Plus, they'll spend the remainder of the window going after Cristiano
Too late for us or them? For us probably for them i would doubt it
https://twitter.com/gffn/status/1430963425816064003?s=21
That's one gone - nice bloke and wish him well but the move makes sense as he's not going to get game time this year
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 26, 2021, 07:54:43 PM
https://twitter.com/gffn/status/1430963425816064003?s=21
That's one gone - nice bloke and wish him well but the move makes sense as he's not going to get game time this year
Unusually for us, a player that actually had his own song, lyrics weren't brilliant mind.
Quote from: junior white on August 26, 2021, 07:40:29 PM
Quote from: PaulJ123 on August 26, 2021, 07:39:46 PM
Quote from: EricB on August 26, 2021, 07:32:25 PM
Does the Mandy issue at City now mean they may 'renew' any interest they had in Robinson?
Surely too late in the window, they've got Cancelo, Zinchenko, Laporte who can play there. Plus, they'll spend the remainder of the window going after Cristiano
Too late for us or them? For us probably for them i would doubt it
Yeah sorry, for us
We've knocked back an approach from Wolves for Tosin apparently.
https://twitter.com/fulhamfc/status/1430990935916105731?s=21
MLM always did a good job coming on as sub when we switched to Parker's favoured 6-3-1 formation to defend a one goal lead
Quote from: Statto on August 26, 2021, 09:41:20 PM
MLM always did a good job coming on as sub when we switched to Parker's favoured 6-3-1 formation to defend a one goal lead
For the final 64 mins
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 26, 2021, 09:32:23 PM
https://twitter.com/fulhamfc/status/1430990935916105731?s=21
You can see it in his eyes he knows he's heading out bless him ha
Always tried his best and a gent is the right wording. Not getting game time here I'm glad he's moving on somewhere he'll hopefully get to play!
Good luck MLM
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Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 26, 2021, 02:58:45 PM
Do I not provide a source for my information? Stating where I get it?
Your precious WSW was posting about Wilder/Cooper while that TFI guy was saying Silva.
Put me on ignore
No i knew that, but your response to the bit about WSW suggested that you were an ITK and that you had a source. So i am saying it is just a post and it isnt a source, the source is what the original poster had for his in info, yours is just a cut and paste. Quite clear really
Putting aside whether the information is genuine, what is quite clear to me is that Unionist isn't claiming to be the first to post it. He uses the word 'source' to describe the place from where he has taken it. Nothing wrong with that; it's clear he hasn't got the information by word of mouth. His opinion that the list comes from a reliable source implies that the guy posting on TFI is ITK.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 26, 2021, 08:45:06 PM
We've knocked back an approach from Wolves for Tosin apparently.
Cheers for the update Somerset. I've got to say I'm not too worried about prem teams coming in for Tosin. Reason is because I just find it so hard to believe that a club who wouldn't pay a bargain 10m before the clause expired, would now be willing to pay a minimum of 20 million. Best quality in the Khans of all the owners I've seen over the years is keeping hold of players when they don't want to sell. Tosin is one of the most Important players in our squad. It would take an offer that no one is prepared to make to prize him away from us.
Quote from: Arthur on August 26, 2021, 11:48:30 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 26, 2021, 04:21:56 PM
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 26, 2021, 02:58:45 PM
Do I not provide a source for my information? Stating where I get it?
Your precious WSW was posting about Wilder/Cooper while that TFI guy was saying Silva.
Put me on ignore
No i knew that, but your response to the bit about WSW suggested that you were an ITK and that you had a source. So i am saying it is just a post and it isnt a source, the source is what the original poster had for his in info, yours is just a cut and paste. Quite clear really
Putting aside whether the information is genuine, what is quite clear to me is that Unionist isn't claiming to be the first to post it. He uses the word 'source' to describe the place from where he has taken it. Nothing wrong with that; it's clear he hasn't got the information by word of mouth. His opinion that the list comes from a reliable source implies that the guy posting on TFI is ITK.
Isnt that what I sort of said with the bit hilighted?
Quote from: JEEVES on August 27, 2021, 12:37:24 AM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 26, 2021, 08:45:06 PM
We've knocked back an approach from Wolves for Tosin apparently.
Cheers for the update Somerset. I've got to say I'm not too worried about prem teams coming in for Tosin. Reason is because I just find it so hard to believe that a club who wouldn't pay a bargain 10m before the clause expired, would now be willing to pay a minimum of 20 million. Best quality in the Khans of all the owners I've seen over the years is keeping hold of players when they don't want to sell. Tosin is one of the most Important players in our squad. It would take an offer that no one is prepared to make to prize him away from us.
I never like those causes, in theory yes we could get more but also in theroy we could get less. Say wolves offered 7million, Tosin wanted to go and downed tools, we have an unhappy player who doesn't want to be here. While we dont have to sell that could then upset the apple cart and we are forced into taking less.
For the record I do not think that will happen but it is a scenario that always goes round in my head when I hear about these clauses.
Quote from: Arthur on August 26, 2021, 11:48:30 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 26, 2021, 04:21:56 PM
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 26, 2021, 02:58:45 PM
Do I not provide a source for my information? Stating where I get it?
Your precious WSW was posting about Wilder/Cooper while that TFI guy was saying Silva.
Put me on ignore
No i knew that, but your response to the bit about WSW suggested that you were an ITK and that you had a source. So i am saying it is just a post and it isnt a source, the source is what the original poster had for his in info, yours is just a cut and paste. Quite clear really
Putting aside whether the information is genuine, what is quite clear to me is that Unionist isn't claiming to be the first to post it. He uses the word 'source' to describe the place from where he has taken it. Nothing wrong with that; it's clear he hasn't got the information by word of mouth. His opinion that the list comes from a reliable source implies that the guy posting on TFI is ITK.
Have to say I took it that Unionist was claiming to have a source who was ITK. Ok, on careful reading I misunderstood but I think it was a bit ambiguous.
About Tosin not sure we keep him if the price is right,Been very good for us you could argue he doesn't dominate in the Air enough particularly in the Championship we would need a good Replacement though at short notice. Let's hoping MLM leaving is a sign Tosin stays.
Oh well we are just about into the bank holiday and after that it is window closing day so I suspect we will now have only Tuesday left now for transfers. That means once again we will be looking at TK's late bargain basement buys, nothing to get excited about.
However we are doing well on the pitch and a performance against Stoke tomorrow will give us more confidence than any late signing we sneak in on Tuesday.
I'm happy with the squad as it is now. Happy to let me fringe players go is Silva wants to trim the squad a bit. If Anguissa does leave, I would want a replacement. Same goes for any 1st team player sold in fact, but the replacement brought in should be a starting calibre player
Seri should absolutely not be sold unless we get a ridiculous offer.
I'd be content to lose a fringe player or two but otherwise happy with the squad as it is if we can keep it together. It's interesting how views have done a 180 over Seri!
Would like to see Aina back on loan, though.
https://twitter.com/albpintado/status/1431187630511775744?s=21
This one is really weird but apparently we're interested in William Carvalho of Real Betis. Apart from the fact it seems like we want to assemble a 5 a side team of Carvalho's I can't really see it as he's a bit too good for the championship, and probably wants fortunes for a salary. He's not the quickest but a really good DM but there is a Portuguese connection with Silva. Direct translation is:
One of those unexpected, although not ideal, situations is occurring in the #Betis . Fulham has taken an interest in William Carvalho, for whom it offers a transfer with a purchase option in the event of a promotion to PL. Betis prefers transfer, but is not reluctant.
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 27, 2021, 11:02:03 AM
https://twitter.com/albpintado/status/1431187630511775744?s=21
This one is really weird but apparently we're interested in William Carvalho of Real Betis. Apart from the fact it seems like we want to assemble a 5 a side team of Carvalho's I can't really see it as he's a bit too good for the championship, and probably wants fortunes for a salary. He's not the quickest but a really good DM but there is a Portuguese connection with Silva. Direct translation is:
One of those unexpected, although not ideal, situations is occurring in the #Betis . Fulham has taken an interest in William Carvalho, for whom it offers a transfer with a purchase option in the event of a promotion to PL. Betis prefers transfer, but is not reluctant.
Norwich were or are interested apparently he wants around 85k per week
I see too that Bruno Paz (who we were reportedly after) has now joined Liga Pro outfit Farense on loan until the end of this season.
Quote from: junior white on August 27, 2021, 07:03:49 AM
Quote from: Arthur on August 26, 2021, 11:48:30 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 26, 2021, 04:21:56 PM
No i knew that, but your response to the bit about WSW suggested that you were an ITK and that you had a source. So i am saying it is just a post and it isnt a source, the source is what the original poster had for his in info, yours is just a cut and paste. Quite clear really
Putting aside whether the information is genuine, what is quite clear to me is that Unionist isn't claiming to be the first to post it. He uses the word 'source' to describe the place from where he has taken it. Nothing wrong with that; it's clear he hasn't got the information by word of mouth. His opinion that the list comes from a reliable source implies that the guy posting on TFI is ITK.
Isnt that what I sort of said with the bit hilighted?
It didn't seem so to me.
You denounce Unionist for masquerading as a ITK and for misusing the word 'source'. In my opinion, he did neither.
But we are sort of going round in circles, so I shall say no more.
Quote from: Arthur on August 27, 2021, 11:48:09 AM
Quote from: junior white on August 27, 2021, 07:03:49 AM
Quote from: Arthur on August 26, 2021, 11:48:30 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 26, 2021, 04:21:56 PM
No i knew that, but your response to the bit about WSW suggested that you were an ITK and that you had a source. So i am saying it is just a post and it isnt a source, the source is what the original poster had for his in info, yours is just a cut and paste. Quite clear really
Putting aside whether the information is genuine, what is quite clear to me is that Unionist isn't claiming to be the first to post it. He uses the word 'source' to describe the place from where he has taken it. Nothing wrong with that; it's clear he hasn't got the information by word of mouth. His opinion that the list comes from a reliable source implies that the guy posting on TFI is ITK.
Isnt that what I sort of said with the bit hilighted?
It didn't seem so to me.
You denounce Unionist for masquerading as a ITK and for misusing the word 'source'. In my opinion, he did neither.
But we are sort of going round in circles, so I shall say no more.
We are yes but you missed the bit at the in in bold there where i said the original post had the source, but thats fine
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 27, 2021, 11:02:03 AM
One of those unexpected, although not ideal, situations is occurring in the #Betis . Fulham has taken an interest in William Carvalho, for whom it offers a transfer with a purchase option in the event of a promotion to PL. Betis prefers transfer, but is not reluctant.
The structure sounds like something we'd propose so this is plausible. Wages might be expensive but if he's coming in to replace Anguissa going out for £20m then we'll have a bit of money to play with and will want a player that can step up to the PL if necessary
Quote from: Statto on August 27, 2021, 12:10:15 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 27, 2021, 11:02:03 AM
One of those unexpected, although not ideal, situations is occurring in the #Betis . Fulham has taken an interest in William Carvalho, for whom it offers a transfer with a purchase option in the event of a promotion to PL. Betis prefers transfer, but is not reluctant.
The structure sounds like something we'd propose so this is plausible. Wages might be expensive but if he's coming in to replace Anguissa going out for £20m then we'll have a bit of money to play with and will want a player that can step up to the PL if necessary
I tend to agree it does sound plausible given how it is said to be structured. Bet is probably happy to take it if they want the salary off their books for a season at least
Quote from: junior white on August 27, 2021, 12:12:12 PM
Quote from: Statto on August 27, 2021, 12:10:15 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 27, 2021, 11:02:03 AM
One of those unexpected, although not ideal, situations is occurring in the #Betis . Fulham has taken an interest in William Carvalho, for whom it offers a transfer with a purchase option in the event of a promotion to PL. Betis prefers transfer, but is not reluctant.
The structure sounds like something we'd propose so this is plausible. Wages might be expensive but if he's coming in to replace Anguissa going out for £20m then we'll have a bit of money to play with and will want a player that can step up to the PL if necessary
I tend to agree it does sound plausible given how it is said to be structured. Bet is probably happy to take it if they want the salary off their books for a season at least
Yes. This plus the Silva link - Silva seems to be able to sell players on a long term vision (Muniz, Mitro new contract, Harry Wilson, etc.).
Plausible that Silva has sounded out the board about him and he'd almost certainly pass our statistical analysis.
Even if Betis are willing to sell, I would be surprised if we got him as he's a first team regular at international level and he's 29, so surely at that stage of his career he'd want to play higher than second level football and teams with a larger profile than ours will be keen. Stranger things have happened but I'd be surprised if we pulled this one off.
One thing is for sure - IF we do get him then at those wages that means we're moving on Anguissa or Seri. Probably the former for a large fee.
WC according to reports Norwich Bound today.
Quote from: AJW48361 on August 27, 2021, 12:50:46 PM
WC according to reports Norwich Bound today.
Not so sure about that, reports I've read say Fulham very much in the running, Carvalho and Silva go back a long way,
Who knows, let's see what happens.
Quote from: Riversider on August 27, 2021, 12:57:01 PM
Quote from: AJW48361 on August 27, 2021, 12:50:46 PM
WC according to reports Norwich Bound today.
Not so sure about that, reports I've read say Fulham very much in the running, Carvalho and Silva go back a long way,
Who knows, let's see what happens.
We're reports that Norwich baulked at his salary
Quote from Silva at the Stoke pre game conference:
https://twitter.com/peterrutzler/status/1431236249457729540?s=21
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 27, 2021, 01:46:22 PM
Quote from Silva at the Stoke pre game conference:
https://twitter.com/peterrutzler/status/1431236249457729540?s=21
Surely we can only bring in a new RB if some of the other four rbs we have move on. Given we have Odoi, Christie, S Sess and Fossey, it would be a bit excessive to bring in another rb
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That is a worry about Tete's injury, it must be worse than originally thought.
Quote from: St. Andrews White on August 27, 2021, 01:59:26 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 27, 2021, 01:46:22 PM
Quote from Silva at the Stoke pre game conference:
https://twitter.com/peterrutzler/status/1431236249457729540?s=21
Surely we can only bring in a new RB if some of the other four rbs we have move on. Given we have Odoi, Christie, S Sess and Fossey, it would be a bit excessive to bring in another rb
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The club are trying to bin Christie, Odoi is sort of a utility defender in that we can plug any gap with him, and Fossey we've tried to loan out to a League 1 club so we could easily see two RB's out before the end of the window
Wow, Silva and/or the club must really not like Christie, considering he's an experienced right back at this level who would start for a majority of the teams in the league
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on August 27, 2021, 02:10:13 PM
Wow, Silva and/or the club must really not like Christie, considering he's an experienced right back at this level who would start for a majority of the teams in the league
Agree he is good enough for this level, but if Silva and TK want and are able to source an upgrade before the deadline then i'm not going to complain.
Aina ?
Try and get Freddo back, him and Robinson as our full backs would cause absolute carnage to any team we come up against with them bombing on for 90 minutes. Aina would be a decent shout but would he want to come back?
Quote from: colinwhite on August 27, 2021, 03:41:08 PM
Aina ?
A very good shout. Another loan deal perhaps with an option to buy if promoted?
Quote from: colinwhite on August 27, 2021, 03:41:08 PM
Aina ?
Depends how long Tete is out imo.
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Quote from: Deeping_white on August 27, 2021, 03:46:40 PM
Try and get Freddo back, him and Robinson as our full backs would cause absolute carnage to any team we come up against with them bombing on for 90 minutes. Aina would be a decent shout but would he want to come back?
Also a very good shout. Silva likes attacking full backs, Fredricks put the fear of god in defenders when he was running at them. A loan deal would be ideal.
No way Fredericks is coming back. Absolutely not happening.
Aina makes so much sense.
CHAMPIONSHIP CLUBS WANT ROBERTS
Championship clubs are lining up to sign Patrick Roberts; available on a free transfer from Manchester City.
In alphabetical order; Blackburn, Bournemouth, Swansea and Stoke all want to sign the winger.
They didnt get much value from the 10m we got from them for him.
Aina is a much more believable target.
Quote from: Fulham 442 on August 27, 2021, 02:02:06 PM
That is a worry about Tete's injury, it must be worse than originally thought.
Said on here Tuesday we might need to get a right back in, got told Tues morning hes expected to be out for months.. Not sure why the club played it down?
Hillingdon, do you know what the story is with Christie? So they just not rate him? Malcontent? Something happen that keeps them from using him as a back-up to Tete?
Quote from: Caedal on August 27, 2021, 04:12:57 PM
Aina makes so much sense.
Does to me - transfermkt £6mill - great utility player as well as decent RB
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on August 27, 2021, 04:28:18 PM
Quote from: Fulham 442 on August 27, 2021, 02:02:06 PM
That is a worry about Tete's injury, it must be worse than originally thought.
Said on here Tuesday we might need to get a right back in, got told Tues morning hes expected to be out for months.. Not sure why the club played it down?
I'll be amazed if we don't sign a right back...
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on August 27, 2021, 04:31:31 PM
Hillingdon, do you know what the story is with Christie? So they just not rate him? Malcontent? Something happen that keeps them from using him as a back-up to Tete?
No idea tbh mate, I only get the odd snippet
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 27, 2021, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on August 27, 2021, 04:28:18 PM
Quote from: Fulham 442 on August 27, 2021, 02:02:06 PM
That is a worry about Tete's injury, it must be worse than originally thought.
Said on here Tuesday we might need to get a right back in, got told Tues morning hes expected to be out for months.. Not sure why the club played it down?
I'll be amazed if we don't sign a right back...
Have you heard anything re incomings/outgoings WSW?
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on August 27, 2021, 04:28:18 PM
Quote from: Fulham 442 on August 27, 2021, 02:02:06 PM
That is a worry about Tete's injury, it must be worse than originally thought.
Said on here Tuesday we might need to get a right back in, got told Tues morning hes expected to be out for months.. Not sure why the club played it down?
I wonder if we have someone near signing otherwise why would Silva mention the fact.
Quote from: Caedal on August 27, 2021, 04:14:50 PM
CHAMPIONSHIP CLUBS WANT ROBERTS
Championship clubs are lining up to sign Patrick Roberts; available on a free transfer from Manchester City.
In alphabetical order; Blackburn, Bournemouth, Swansea and Stoke all want to sign the winger.
They didnt get much value from the 10m we got from them for him.
I'd take him quite honestly.
Appreciate I'm likely to be in the minority on this one.
Quote from: simplyfulham on August 27, 2021, 04:48:20 PM
Quote from: Caedal on August 27, 2021, 04:14:50 PM
CHAMPIONSHIP CLUBS WANT ROBERTS
Championship clubs are lining up to sign Patrick Roberts; available on a free transfer from Manchester City.
In alphabetical order; Blackburn, Bournemouth, Swansea and Stoke all want to sign the winger.
They didnt get much value from the 10m we got from them for him.
Appreciate I'm likely to be in the minority on this one
Only criticism is he was always too lightweight and easily knocked off the ball.
Quote from: simplyfulham on August 27, 2021, 04:48:20 PM
Quote from: Caedal on August 27, 2021, 04:14:50 PM
CHAMPIONSHIP CLUBS WANT ROBERTS
Championship clubs are lining up to sign Patrick Roberts; available on a free transfer from Manchester City.
In alphabetical order; Blackburn, Bournemouth, Swansea and Stoke all want to sign the winger.
They didnt get much value from the 10m we got from them for him.
I'd take him quite honestly.
Appreciate I'm likely to be in the minority on this one.
Another example where signing for a big club is a 'poison chalice'. Look at Piazon, loaned out to 'umpteen' clubs.
Come home Aina!!
Aina returning would be immense.
I like Aina and think he's a good player...but he does not fit our system, we need a more attacking right back as our replacement, someone like Fredericks (not that I can see us pulling that off)
No Zambo rumors this weekend?
The latest training videos have him working out with the team, but who knows how old those videos are.
Hope he stays.
Aina be class, such a good player
Quote from: JoeS on August 27, 2021, 05:10:33 PM
I like Aina and think he's a good player...but he does not fit our system, we need a more attacking right back as our replacement, someone like Fredericks (not that I can see us pulling that off)
I agree to some extent - but I think Aina will be great at this level regardless. Checking the Torino squad - they signed a third right back in the summer for £4.5m, so not inconceivable that Aina could be released on loan again.
Plus, this news story would make you think that he would consider leaving his parent club: https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/haters-ex-chelsea-defender-aina-torino-fans/ui785p4k9iyx11rorv0uadm13
Quote from: simplyfulham on August 27, 2021, 04:48:20 PM
Quote from: Caedal on August 27, 2021, 04:14:50 PM
CHAMPIONSHIP CLUBS WANT ROBERTS
Championship clubs are lining up to sign Patrick Roberts; available on a free transfer from Manchester City.
In alphabetical order; Blackburn, Bournemouth, Swansea and Stoke all want to sign the winger.
They didnt get much value from the 10m we got from them for him.
I'd take him quite honestly.
Appreciate I'm likely to be in the minority on this one.
He has a lot of skill - but I don't see him playing many games for us. I feel sorry for him in that he still seems to have the physique of a 15 year old. It would be a wasted signing for both us and him..
I wonder if Silva is going to play Anguissa tomorrow just to help get the win going into the break, even if he's being sold. I'll bet he's on the bench at the very least, as a safeguard to help us regain and retain the ball late in the game if we're trying to hold onto a lead
But I thought he had refused to play for us this season...
Quote from: rebel on August 27, 2021, 04:52:15 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on August 27, 2021, 04:48:20 PM
Quote from: Caedal on August 27, 2021, 04:14:50 PM
CHAMPIONSHIP CLUBS WANT ROBERTS
Championship clubs are lining up to sign Patrick Roberts; available on a free transfer from Manchester City.
In alphabetical order; Blackburn, Bournemouth, Swansea and Stoke all want to sign the winger.
They didnt get much value from the 10m we got from them for him.
I'd take him quite honestly.
Appreciate I'm likely to be in the minority on this one.
Another example where signing for a big club is a 'poison chalice'. Look at Piazon, loaned out to 'umpteen' clubs.
Be careful what you wish for and all that. He still has a year left to run on his contract but City are obviously happy to see him go now. A shame but his choice, and his parents were instrumental in the move too I understand, at the end of the day.
I like Aina too, and given also his versatility he'd be a great signing. That said, we have more than enough to romp this league and I would anticipate our business is now done, aside from perhaps shipping 1 or 2 out such as divisive figures Zambo & Seri. Personally I think we should get rid of Zambo and hope we keep a motivated Seri. His ball retention and passing ability is a cut above anything else in the league and I think he and Reed would be a formidable partnership......
I can see a rb coming in and also a centre mid if Anguissa goes. We do need a few
More out though Christie and Knockeart if possible.
Quote from: MartyFFC on August 27, 2021, 05:51:57 PM
I like Aina too, and given also his versatility he'd be a great signing. That said, we have more than enough to romp this league and I would anticipate our business is now done, aside from perhaps shipping 1 or 2 out such as divisive figures Zambo & Seri. Personally I think we should get rid of Zambo and hope we keep a motivated Seri. His ball retention and passing ability is a cut above anything else in the league and I think he and Reed would be a formidable partnership......
100% agreed with all of the above.
Why are Anguissa and Seri "divisive"?
Also, they must be trying to move Christie elsewhere in this window. With Tete out injured, he didn't even make the bench for the game against Brum?
With AK47 & MLM gone for fees I feel the only players we need to ship out are Knockaert & Fabri. I don´t want Zambo, Seri & Christie to leave.
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on August 27, 2021, 06:22:25 PM
Why are Anguissa and Seri "divisive"?
Also, they must be trying to move Christie elsewhere in this window. With Tete out injured, he didn't even make the bench for the game against Brum?
Divisive between fans' opinion I think is what's meant. But then most players are.
Feck Fred and Roberts - they wanted out so stay out!
Quote from: simplyfulham on August 27, 2021, 04:48:20 PM
Quote from: Caedal on August 27, 2021, 04:14:50 PM
CHAMPIONSHIP CLUBS WANT ROBERTS
Championship clubs are lining up to sign Patrick Roberts; available on a free transfer from Manchester City.
In alphabetical order; Blackburn, Bournemouth, Swansea and Stoke all want to sign the winger.
They didnt get much value from the 10m we got from them for him.
I'd take him quite honestly.
Appreciate I'm likely to be in the minority on this one.
I rated Roberts so highly and was sorry when he left us, I saw him as a mid field playmaker.
Now I have to ask the question why is he available on a free.
Quote from: BestOfBrede on August 27, 2021, 06:52:36 PM
Feck Fred and Roberts - they wanted out so stay out!
Tend to agree with that but on the other hand if they are prepared to eat humble pie....?.
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on August 27, 2021, 06:22:25 PM
Why are Anguissa and Seri "divisive"?
Also, they must be trying to move Christie elsewhere in this window. With Tete out injured, he didn't even make the bench for the game against Brum?
I take it you don't read this forum very often; they've both had long threads slagging them off and defending them in equal measure.
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/fulham-linked-with-surprise-swoop-for-68-cap-international/
Quote from: rebel on August 27, 2021, 08:29:51 PM
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/fulham-linked-with-surprise-swoop-for-68-cap-international/
There is a silly quiz at the end of that link which may entertain people for a couple of minutes.
I managed to score a rubbish 18/25, how did everyone else get on?
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 27, 2021, 08:39:29 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 27, 2021, 08:29:51 PM
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/fulham-linked-with-surprise-swoop-for-68-cap-international/
There is a silly quiz at the end of that link which may entertain people for a couple of minutes.
I managed to score a rubbish 18/25, how did everyone else get on?
19. I thought the Craven Cottage one was a trick question as we played at Loftus Road for a while and the capacity with the new stand takes us over 25000.
Have we been linked with Aina again? I hope so.
Quote from: Blawarmy on August 27, 2021, 09:59:15 PM
Have we been linked with Aina again? I hope so.
No, sadly. Well, not at this moment in time.
It's one of those rumours that begin here and then turns into people believing as truth because enough people have said it.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 27, 2021, 08:39:29 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 27, 2021, 08:29:51 PM
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/fulham-linked-with-surprise-swoop-for-68-cap-international/
There is a silly quiz at the end of that link which may entertain people for a couple of minutes.
I managed to score a rubbish 18/25, how did everyone else get on?
I got 19. 76%
Even if Tete is out for a while I'm not sure the point of signing anyone. Odoi and Christie are on the books and good enough for this level.
I imagine we'll be linked with a few midfielders over the next couple of days as the club line up contingencies in case we do get a good enough offer in for Anguissa.
Put this in the other thread but:
https://twitter.com/peterrutzler/status/1431368871278153735?s=21
https://twitter.com/peterrutzler/status/1431368873446715394?s=21
If Silva doesn't rate Christie then that's fair enough & Odoi isn't exactly a marauding right back and we've already seen how he wants the full backs to get forward so it makes sense we get someone with a similar play style to Tete in to not dispute the team balance
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 27, 2021, 08:39:29 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 27, 2021, 08:29:51 PM
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/fulham-linked-with-surprise-swoop-for-68-cap-international/
There is a silly quiz at the end of that link which may entertain people for a couple of minutes.
I managed to score a rubbish 18/25, how did everyone else get on?
20/25
Wouldn't say 18 is rubbish at all, several tough questions.
Cheers, Mick!
It might not be that Silva doesn't rate Christie, it might be that Christie just wants a fresh start. Whatever it is I trust Silva. He has constantly said he wants committed players
Quote from: MikeTheCubed on August 27, 2021, 10:41:25 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 27, 2021, 08:39:29 PM
Quote from: rebel on August 27, 2021, 08:29:51 PM
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/fulham-linked-with-surprise-swoop-for-68-cap-international/
There is a silly quiz at the end of that link which may entertain people for a couple of minutes.
I managed to score a rubbish 18/25, how did everyone else get on?
20/25
Wouldn't say 18 is rubbish at all, several tough questions.
I got 18 as well.
Turkish media reporting on Twitter that we are interested in Osayi-Samuel. Been linked before so wouldn't surprise me.
Quote from: dfwilson84 on August 27, 2021, 11:27:40 PM
Turkish media reporting on Twitter that we are interested in Osayi-Samuel. Been linked before so wouldn't surprise me.
If Silva wants him, that'll do me.
I want Anguissa to stay.
If this season we're the Man City of the championship, we need to be two starter deep at every position. We're not getting a better player than Zambo in the transfer window.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 28, 2021, 02:59:23 PM
I want Anguissa to stay.
If this season we're the Man City of the championship, we need to be two starter deep at every position. We're not getting a better player than Zambo in the transfer window.
That's an accurate statement IMO
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on August 28, 2021, 03:00:47 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 28, 2021, 02:59:23 PM
I want Anguissa to stay.
If this season we're the Man City of the championship, we need to be two starter deep at every position. We're not getting a better player than Zambo in the transfer window.
That's an accurate statement IMO
We may need to sell him for FFP reasons.
Quote from: NJFulham on August 28, 2021, 03:49:36 PM
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on August 28, 2021, 03:00:47 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 28, 2021, 02:59:23 PM
I want Anguissa to stay.
If this season we're the Man City of the championship, we need to be two starter deep at every position. We're not getting a better player than Zambo in the transfer window.
That's an accurate statement IMO
We may need to sell him for FFP reasons.
Do we though? We didn't spend anything last season when we went up (and banked 80m), we have spent barely anything this season and banked another 30-40m for going down in parachute payments. We're definitely going up this season so that's another 80m. We don't have to sell anyone.
Quote from: LC on August 28, 2021, 03:56:41 PM
Quote from: NJFulham on August 28, 2021, 03:49:36 PM
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on August 28, 2021, 03:00:47 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 28, 2021, 02:59:23 PM
I want Anguissa to stay.
If this season we're the Man City of the championship, we need to be two starter deep at every position. We're not getting a better player than Zambo in the transfer window.
That's an accurate statement IMO
We may need to sell him for FFP reasons.
Do we though? We didn't spend anything last season when we went up (and banked 80m), we have spent barely anything this season and banked another 30-40m for going down in parachute payments. We're definitely going up this season so that's another 80m. We don't have to sell anyone.
That may be the case, but didnt we lose 60 odd million last season? That's a question not a statement, if true then can't we conly lose half that in the EFL
Quote from: junior white on August 28, 2021, 04:12:26 PM
Quote from: LC on August 28, 2021, 03:56:41 PM
Quote from: NJFulham on August 28, 2021, 03:49:36 PM
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on August 28, 2021, 03:00:47 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 28, 2021, 02:59:23 PM
I want Anguissa to stay.
If this season we're the Man City of the championship, we need to be two starter deep at every position. We're not getting a better player than Zambo in the transfer window.
That's an accurate statement IMO
We may need to sell him for FFP reasons.
Do we though? We didn't spend anything last season when we went up (and banked 80m), we have spent barely anything this season and banked another 30-40m for going down in parachute payments. We're definitely going up this season so that's another 80m. We don't have to sell anyone.
That may be the case, but didnt we lose 60 odd million last season? That's a question not a statement, if true then can't we conly lose half that in the EFL
To be fair, Zambo didn't play today, so he may well be off. We've been linked with William Carvalho who would be a real coup for us.
Yeah... Silva is sold on Josh...which imo means that midfield spot is locked into him. Zambo must be leaving this week.
And for the record...I think Fabio and Zambo are friends. Fabio probably knows Zambo is gone this week. :016:
When someone mentions how little we have spent on transfer fees they forget the high salaries our big squad are on and that this also is a consideration for FFP.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 28, 2021, 05:04:09 PM
Yeah... Silva is sold on Josh...which imo means that midfield spot is locked into him. Zambo must be leaving this week.
And for the record...I think Fabio and Zambo are friends. Fabio probably knows Zambo is gone this week. :016:
What's Fabio's relationship with Anguissa got to do with his staying /leaving?
Quote from: BestOfBrede on August 28, 2021, 05:15:13 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 28, 2021, 05:04:09 PM
Yeah... Silva is sold on Josh...which imo means that midfield spot is locked into him. Zambo must be leaving this week.
And for the record...I think Fabio and Zambo are friends. Fabio probably knows Zambo is gone this week. :016:
What's Fabio's relationship with Anguissa got to do with his staying /leaving?
Everyone is friends at the Club now.
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Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 28, 2021, 05:04:09 PM
Yeah... Silva is sold on Josh...which imo means that midfield spot is locked into him. Zambo must be leaving this week.
And for the record...I think Fabio and Zambo are friends. Fabio probably knows Zambo is gone this week. :016:
What's Fabio's relationship with Anguissa got to do with his staying /leaving?
Nothing. I think it was an interview last year where Fabio commented on Anguissas talent ...and I've seen the two of them having discussions with each other post game.
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All gone very quiet on the subject of transfers. Surely something must be happening with a couple of days to go. :hook:
Quote from: sarnian on August 29, 2021, 09:06:52 AM
All gone very quiet on the subject of transfers. Surely something must be happening with a couple of days to go. :hook:
No idea. But one area where I am now convinced we don't need to spend cash is RB. I thought Dennis did a very good job yesterday up against a highly rated Stoke side and specifically their left winger. Tete will always be our first choice but in Dennis I think we have perfectly adequate cover. Given how careful we have to be over FFP I think we could target any limited funds elsewhere.
Surely just one midfielder if Anguissa goes. Maybe a utility forward that can play AM/RW/LW, but even that would like depend on how Cairney is coming along. Think we still offload 2 or 3? Knockaert, Hector, Christie?
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Quote from: sarnian on August 29, 2021, 09:06:52 AM
All gone very quiet on the subject of transfers. Surely something must be happening with a couple of days to go. :hook:
No idea. But one area where I am now convinced we don't need to spend cash is RB. I thought Dennis did a very good job yesterday up against a highly rated Stoke side and specifically their left winger. Tete will always be our first choice but in Dennis I think we have perfectly adequate cover. Given how careful we have to be over FFP I think we could target any limited funds elsewhere.
:plus one: :plus one:
Quote from: Porthogs FC on August 29, 2021, 12:55:20 PM
Surely just one midfielder if Anguissa goes. Maybe a utility forward that can play AM/RW/LW, but even that would like depend on how Cairney is coming along. Think we still offload 2 or 3? Knockaert, Hector, Christie?
Osayi-Samuel rumour isn't going away. Doesn't he fit that utility forward?
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Quote from: Porthogs FC on August 29, 2021, 12:55:20 PM
Surely just one midfielder if Anguissa goes. Maybe a utility forward that can play AM/RW/LW, but even that would like depend on how Cairney is coming along. Think we still offload 2 or 3? Knockaert, Hector, Christie?
Osayi-Samuel rumour isn't going away. Doesn't he fit that utility forward?
Sikiri Dembele would also fit that bill. But need to offload at least one attacking player to make room imo.
Lots of chat on Twitter that we've agreed terms with William Carvalho and just need to sell Anguissa and we can then complete the deal which is a loan with obligation to buy should we get promoted.
Getting William Carvalho would be absolutely insane
With Tete out for a while and Christie on his way out a right back is urgently needed. Odoi is ok as short term cover but will be a liability if he gets an extended run in the team. He was the weak link yesterday and it came as no surprise that Stoke had done their homework and targeted their attacks down our right side. I don't think his skill set suits Silva's style.
Quote from: Whitestone on August 29, 2021, 03:08:38 PM
With Tete out for a while and Christie on his way out a right back is urgently needed. Odoi is ok as short term cover but will be a liability if he gets an extended run in the team. He was the weak link yesterday and it came as no surprise that Stoke had done their homework and targeted their attacks down our right side. I don't think his skill set suits Silva's style.
What on earth did you see that made him the weak leak, would genuinely like to know.
I thought Odoi had a very good game and is an excellent squa player for us. Christie on the other hand has never been good and should be off loaded immediately
I really would not be too happy with Carvalho from Betis.
Serious questions over attitude and finances/agents. Could destabilise squad
Just surprised that William Carvalho is 29 years old. Seems like just yesterday he was the next big thing for Portugal. Guess I'm getting old.
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 29, 2021, 03:48:35 PM
I really would not be too happy with Carvalho from Betis.
Serious questions over attitude and finances/agents. Could destabilise squad
Silva obviously has a different idea, he knows the player
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 29, 2021, 03:48:35 PM
I really would not be too happy with Carvalho from Betis.
Serious questions over attitude and finances/agents. Could destabilise squad
Good news for you then, he has rejected us
Quote from: Whitestone on August 29, 2021, 03:08:38 PM
With Tete out for a while and Christie on his way out a right back is urgently needed. Odoi is ok as short term cover but will be a liability if he gets an extended run in the team. He was the weak link yesterday and it came as no surprise that Stoke had done their homework and targeted their attacks down our right side. I don't think his skill set suits Silva's style.
Have to disagree. I watched Odoi carefully and he did very well. Kept their left side pretty quiet including the highly rated Josh Tymon. I didn't see any weak links and would be happy with him as cover for Kenny.
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Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 29, 2021, 03:48:35 PM
I really would not be too happy with Carvalho from Betis.
Serious questions over attitude and finances/agents. Could destabilise squad
Good news for you then, he has rejected us
I saw someone on Facebook say the same. What's this based on?
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Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 29, 2021, 03:48:35 PM
I really would not be too happy with Carvalho from Betis.
Serious questions over attitude and finances/agents. Could destabilise squad
Good news for you then, he has rejected us
I saw someone on Facebook say the same. What's this based on?
Silva and Boa will be on the phone to him IF there is any truth in it.
Given the sustained leaks with Grimes and now Carvalho, I think it clear that the club are looking to replace Anguissa if he goes, with another relatively high calibre player. Looking forward to seeing how it pans out.
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Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 29, 2021, 03:48:35 PM
I really would not be too happy with Carvalho from Betis.
Serious questions over attitude and finances/agents. Could destabilise squad
Good news for you then, he has rejected us
I saw someone on Facebook say the same. What's this based on?
Mundo Deportivo
As has been said on another thread, I think Ola Aina would fit both the current RB issue and the DM role as he could play both. Genuinely think we wouldn't need anyone else if we signed/loaned him.
Dennis did have a great game yesterday, including running the wings and offering the overlap. He defended brilliantly too. He certainly wasn't a weak link.
With regards to FFP, if we go up and stay up does it matter? Serious question.
It´s far too late in the window to sell Zambo & get a top replacement in. This is Fulham you know, we don´t do quick transfers.
Quote from: Caedal on August 29, 2021, 03:03:58 PM
Getting William Carvalho would be absolutely insane
Whose spot does he take?
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Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 29, 2021, 05:51:14 PM
Quote from: Caedal on August 29, 2021, 03:03:58 PM
Getting William Carvalho would be absolutely insane
Whose spot does he take?
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Currently, no one.
According to twitter some report saying Carvalho doesnt want to come
Quote from: junior white on August 29, 2021, 07:32:57 PM
According to twitter some report saying Carvalho doesnt want to come
But according to West Sussex White its very much on.
I can confirm that in a couple of days time we will all know who is staying and who is leaving and forget most of what has appeared on this thread. :drums:
Quote from: Riversider on August 29, 2021, 07:34:47 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 29, 2021, 07:32:57 PM
According to twitter some report saying Carvalho doesnt want to come
But according to West Sussex White its very much on.
Hadn't seen a comment from WSW, was just flicking thru twitter and saw that he is reluctant to come to us
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 29, 2021, 07:37:28 PM
I can confirm that in a couple of days time we will all know who is staying and who is leaving and forget most of what has appeared on this thread. :drums:
When does the January Transfer Window thread begin.? The day after this Window closes or do we have to wait a few days first???
COYW⚽️⚽️⚽️
WSW Is Carvalho coming to us or Is the deal dead.
For me ideal end to the window
In
Ola Aina
Out
Fabri
Cyrus Christie
Anthony Knockeart
Fabio Carvalho signing a new deal
I was at PNE v Swansea yesterday and Grimes was awful !! Totally ineffective and I would not recommend him on the basis of that match 🤔
Let's buy Carvalho and keep Anguissa then I can have 9 months of great fun tweeting daily to second tier podcast 😂😂😂
Quote from: Fulham Tup North on August 29, 2021, 07:55:39 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 29, 2021, 07:37:28 PM
I can confirm that in a couple of days time we will all know who is staying and who is leaving and forget most of what has appeared on this thread. :drums:
When does the January Transfer Window thread begin.? The day after this Window closes or do we have to wait a few days first???
COYW⚽️⚽️⚽️
Damn you spotted the hole in my argument.
WSW broadly said that the player wage demands were higher than we were offering, but not bank breaking. He said if the club want him, they should be able to get him.
People need to back off, if you don't like what the guy has to say then ignore it.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 29, 2021, 10:27:01 PM
WSW broadly said that the player wage demands were higher than we were offering, but not bank breaking. He said if the club want him, they should be able to get him.
People need to back off, if you don't like what the guy has to say then ignore it.
I cant even see a post on it from WSW, I must have missed it will go back thru.
Salary wanted is rumoured to be at 85k per week on twitter
Quote from: junior white on August 29, 2021, 10:30:45 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 29, 2021, 10:27:01 PM
WSW broadly said that the player wage demands were higher than we were offering, but not bank breaking. He said if the club want him, they should be able to get him.
People need to back off, if you don't like what the guy has to say then ignore it.
I cant even see a post on it from WSW, I must have missed it will go back thru.
Salary wanted is rumoured to be at 85k per week on twitter
No, that's cool JW it's people sniping at the guy that I can't stand when all he is doing is trying to provide information. There is no need to attack him when others simply create outright lies to fit their narative and seem to get away with it..
The actual quote is on the Will Hughes thread.
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 29, 2021, 07:37:28 PM
I can confirm that in a couple of days time we will all know who is staying and who is leaving and forget most of what has appeared on this thread. :drums:
Love that!
Napoli want to take Anguissa on loan according to Italian media.
Quote from: JackHamlet90 on August 29, 2021, 09:10:22 PM
For me ideal end to the window
In
Ola Aina
Out
Fabri
Cyrus Christie
Anthony Knockeart
Fabio Carvalho signing a new deal
Why do we need to spend money on wages for Aina (and I was a big fan) when Odoi can do a great job for us? If Tete is still crocked next year in the Prem that would be a different matter but for this season I don't see a problem.
https://twitter.com/peterrutzler/status/1432099817325568007?s=21
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 29, 2021, 11:16:29 PM
https://twitter.com/peterrutzler/status/1432099817325568007?s=21
They'll sign him Tuesday imo
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Quote from: Tooting legend on August 29, 2021, 08:10:10 PM
WSW Is Carvalho coming to us or Is the deal dead.
It's not definitely on, but it's also not definitely off. The player isn't against the move, the reason he rejected the first bid was due to the clauses and bonuses that would come into affect if we got promoted. As it will be an obligation this has to be sorted now rather than at the end of the season. The club and Carvalho are not a million miles apart so it could very much still happen if Fulham want him enough, but it will depend if Fulham want to compromise or whether they want to go to other cheaper targets. I do wonder whether the new Grimes bid might be Fulham exploring a different option, however, they are very different types of player. Will be an interesting 48 hours
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 29, 2021, 11:44:04 PM
Quote from: Tooting legend on August 29, 2021, 08:10:10 PM
WSW Is Carvalho coming to us or Is the deal dead.
It's not definitely on, but it's also not definitely off. The player isn't against the move, the reason he rejected the first bid was due to the clauses and bonuses that would come into affect if we got promoted. As it will be an obligation this has to be sorted now rather than at the end of the season. The club and Carvalho are not a million miles apart so it could very much still happen if Fulham want him enough, but it will depend if Fulham want to compromise or whether they want to go to other cheaper targets. I do wonder whether the new Grimes bid might be Fulham exploring a different option, however, they are very different types of player. Will be an interesting 48 hours
Carvalho is definitely a Frank replacement isn't he, so looks like Frank wants to leave.
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Quote from: Tooting legend on August 29, 2021, 08:10:10 PM
WSW Is Carvalho coming to us or Is the deal dead.
It's not definitely on, but it's also not definitely off. The player isn't against the move, the reason he rejected the first bid was due to the clauses and bonuses that would come into affect if we got promoted. As it will be an obligation this has to be sorted now rather than at the end of the season. The club and Carvalho are not a million miles apart so it could very much still happen if Fulham want him enough, but it will depend if Fulham want to compromise or whether they want to go to other cheaper targets. I do wonder whether the new Grimes bid might be Fulham exploring a different option, however, they are very different types of player. Will be an interesting 48 hours
Carvalho is definitely a Frank replacement isn't he, so looks like Frank wants to leave.
Yes definitely a Frank replacement; but I would be surprised if we signed both Grimes and Carvalho. I'll try and get another update tomorrow. The Grimes bid this evening suggests the Carvalho deal isn't happening, however, it might just be us testing the water and making sure we have more than 1 option in case either deal doesn't happen.
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Quote from: Tooting legend on August 29, 2021, 08:10:10 PM
WSW Is Carvalho coming to us or Is the deal dead.
It's not definitely on, but it's also not definitely off. The player isn't against the move, the reason he rejected the first bid was due to the clauses and bonuses that would come into affect if we got promoted. As it will be an obligation this has to be sorted now rather than at the end of the season. The club and Carvalho are not a million miles apart so it could very much still happen if Fulham want him enough, but it will depend if Fulham want to compromise or whether they want to go to other cheaper targets. I do wonder whether the new Grimes bid might be Fulham exploring a different option, however, they are very different types of player. Will be an interesting 48 hours
Carvalho is definitely a Frank replacement isn't he, so looks like Frank wants to leave.
Yes definitely a Frank replacement; but I would be surprised if we signed both Grimes and Carvalho. I'll try and get another update tomorrow. The Grimes bid this evening suggests the Carvalho deal isn't happening, however, it might just be us testing the water and making sure we have more than 1 option in case either deal doesn't happen.
Is Grimes that good? I haven't seen much of him tbh.
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Quote from: Tooting legend on August 29, 2021, 08:10:10 PM
WSW Is Carvalho coming to us or Is the deal dead.
It's not definitely on, but it's also not definitely off. The player isn't against the move, the reason he rejected the first bid was due to the clauses and bonuses that would come into affect if we got promoted. As it will be an obligation this has to be sorted now rather than at the end of the season. The club and Carvalho are not a million miles apart so it could very much still happen if Fulham want him enough, but it will depend if Fulham want to compromise or whether they want to go to other cheaper targets. I do wonder whether the new Grimes bid might be Fulham exploring a different option, however, they are very different types of player. Will be an interesting 48 hours
Carvalho is definitely a Frank replacement isn't he, so looks like Frank wants to leave.
Yes definitely a Frank replacement; but I would be surprised if we signed both Grimes and Carvalho. I'll try and get another update tomorrow. The Grimes bid this evening suggests the Carvalho deal isn't happening, however, it might just be us testing the water and making sure we have more than 1 option in case either deal doesn't happen.
Is Grimes that good? I haven't seen much of him tbh.
I haven't seen massive amounts, but he's more of a seri type deep lying passer. And he's certainly no Anguissa, but then again Onomah and Reed will likely play in the Anguissa position
Quote from: JackHamlet90 on August 29, 2021, 09:10:22 PM
For me ideal end to the window
In
Ola Aina
Out
Fabri
Cyrus Christie
Anthony Knockeart
Fabio Carvalho signing a new deal
Agree with this 100%.
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Quote from: Tooting legend on August 29, 2021, 08:10:10 PM
WSW Is Carvalho coming to us or Is the deal dead.
It's not definitely on, but it's also not definitely off. The player isn't against the move, the reason he rejected the first bid was due to the clauses and bonuses that would come into affect if we got promoted. As it will be an obligation this has to be sorted now rather than at the end of the season. The club and Carvalho are not a million miles apart so it could very much still happen if Fulham want him enough, but it will depend if Fulham want to compromise or whether they want to go to other cheaper targets. I do wonder whether the new Grimes bid might be Fulham exploring a different option, however, they are very different types of player. Will be an interesting 48 hours
Carvalho is definitely a Frank replacement isn't he, so looks like Frank wants to leave.
Yes definitely a Frank replacement; but I would be surprised if we signed both Grimes and Carvalho. I'll try and get another update tomorrow. The Grimes bid this evening suggests the Carvalho deal isn't happening, however, it might just be us testing the water and making sure we have more than 1 option in case either deal doesn't happen.
Is Grimes that good? I haven't seen much of him tbh.
I haven't seen massive amounts, but he's more of a seri type deep lying passer. And he's certainly no Anguissa, but then again Onomah and Reed will likely play in the Anguissa position
With the 10 million offer for Zambo not going through...what are the chances no one will pay what Tony Khan wants for the player?
The more I've thought about it this weekend the more angry I've gotten that he (Anguissa) wouldn't want to stay at Fulham and help us go back up to the Prem THEN move on to a different club. It's actually frustrating.
We've had the opportunity to play against 5 holding mids of varying quality over the past 5 games. Those are the types of holding mids I see Matt Grimes being. OK to above average holding mids in the Championship.
We're all hoping we're only going to be in the Championship for another season.
Then, there's William, who I thought was slow 4 years ago...but whose a "smart" footballer. Is he going to be our holding mid next season? No? Then why are we looking to sign a 29 year old who had very little playing minutes last season?
I know...I do trust Marco Silva when it comes to William...because we still have Reed and Seri that can fill the same role...
but damn... I can't help but feel that we aren't getting the same value by moving Anguissa on.
The key thing with this Anguissa move is that if we get a replacement lined up, then I think we will loan him out with an option. If we don't get a replacement sorted then I think we hold onto him. Frank clearly wants to move, so I think he will go but we probably won't get the market value for him in this window.
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Quote from: Tooting legend on August 29, 2021, 08:10:10 PM
WSW Is Carvalho coming to us or Is the deal dead.
It's not definitely on, but it's also not definitely off. The player isn't against the move, the reason he rejected the first bid was due to the clauses and bonuses that would come into affect if we got promoted. As it will be an obligation this has to be sorted now rather than at the end of the season. The club and Carvalho are not a million miles apart so it could very much still happen if Fulham want him enough, but it will depend if Fulham want to compromise or whether they want to go to other cheaper targets. I do wonder whether the new Grimes bid might be Fulham exploring a different option, however, they are very different types of player. Will be an interesting 48 hours
Carvalho is definitely a Frank replacement isn't he, so looks like Frank wants to leave.
Yes definitely a Frank replacement; but I would be surprised if we signed both Grimes and Carvalho. I'll try and get another update tomorrow. The Grimes bid this evening suggests the Carvalho deal isn't happening, however, it might just be us testing the water and making sure we have more than 1 option in case either deal doesn't happen.
Is Grimes that good? I haven't seen much of him tbh.
I haven't seen massive amounts, but he's more of a seri type deep lying passer. And he's certainly no Anguissa, but then again Onomah and Reed will likely play in the Anguissa position
Reed, in my opinion, isn't suited to the Anguissa role, and he is better for us sitting back like has heaps done. If Frank leaves (Napoli on loan?) and we do not replace like for like then I think we leave ourselves short. As for Grimes a decent championship player but not better than anything we have right now in my opinion, also have doubts over could he be decent in the prem.
Overall doesnt mater what I think it matters what MS/TK think but I owuld hope they have a back up plan if Carvalho doesnt come
I believe Reed is better suited to the Anguissa/Johansen type of more box to box role. Surprises me that people see him mostly as a solely defensive midfielder, as I think he lacks the positional discipline. He leaves a big hole wide open in front of the defense far too often for my liking. His strengths are his endless running, tackling and covering all over the pitch, but that comes more in handy if someone else takes responsibility to cover that all important area in front of the center backs. Seri looks to have the required discipline, as had Lemina last year. But maybe Reed can be coached into being a bit smarter without losing his positive impact in other areas. After all we do seem to have quite a good coach now.
All in my opinion of course.
Anguissa seemingly off to Italy
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/08/fulham-accept-napolis-anguissa-loan-offer/
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I believe Reed is better suited to the Anguissa/Johansen type of more box to box role. Surprises me that people see him mostly as a solely defensive midfielder, as I think he lacks the positional discipline. He leaves a big hole wide open in front of the defense far too often for my liking. His strengths are his endless running, tackling and covering all over the pitch, but that comes more in handy if someone else takes responsibility to cover that all important area in front of the center backs. Seri looks to have the required discipline, as had Lemina last year. But maybe Reed can be coached into being a bit smarter without losing his positive impact in other areas. After all we do seem to have quite a good coach now.
All in my opinion of course.
Thats a good point, the problem for me there is Seri is also the type of player you describe Reed as, or he has been in the past. If he can just sit and orchestrate then great but we do see him up and around the box.
Will be interesting to see what we do.
I am sure MS will know who he wants and hopefully they tick all the boxes so he can get them
I'm surprised that we've allowed a loan. FFP can't be a factor then as it doesn't help us immediately (bar his wages).
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I'm surprised that we've allowed a loan. FFP can't be a factor then as it doesn't help us immediately (bar his wages).
Loan fee we got would help, i did expect a sale not a loan though, but it seems most Italian clubs have very little spare money these days
I mean the loan fee is probably gonna be less than we got for Kamara. Just seems an odd choice
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I mean the loan fee is probably gonna be less than we got for Kamara. Just seems an odd choice
As i said it does for me, i heard the loan fee would be around 2.5 million (just the usual twitter rumours no inside info) so yes less than Kamara, hopefully they are paying his salary with no contribution form us as that will help as well
Find the Anguissa transfer very disappointing from us.
Napoli have the option, not the obligation, to buy. We aren't getting too much upfront on loan fee if comments are to be believed.
Seems like we are back in for Grimes.
Sources for this is a mixture of newsnow and reddit soccer.
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I'm surprised that we've allowed a loan. FFP can't be a factor then as it doesn't help us immediately (bar his wages).
We will get a loan fee, the option to buy is around 15 million euros. So in total if he joins then permanently we will receive 18 million euros ish. I believe Napoli will pay 80% of his wages. (Around 63k a week) meaning we will still have to pay 7k a week. However, these massive wages off our wage bill should allow us to bring in every position we still need filling before the deadline
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Find the Anguissa transfer very disappointing from us.
Napoli have the option, not the obligation, to buy. We aren't getting too much upfront on loan fee if comments are to be believed.
Seems like we are back in for Grimes.
Sources for this is a mixture of newsnow and reddit soccer.
I'm certainly on the pro-Anguissa side of the fence, and think he's a top class player, but even I question why we'd hang onto a player who doesn't want to play for us, whilst he sits on high wages and devalues.
I'd love him to be a starter for us, but he clearly wants out and I think we'd be better re-investing in someone who wants to play for us.
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Find the Anguissa transfer very disappointing from us.
Napoli have the option, not the obligation, to buy. We aren't getting too much upfront on loan fee if comments are to be believed.
Seems like we are back in for Grimes.
Sources for this is a mixture of newsnow and reddit soccer.
I'm certainly on the pro-Anguissa side of the fence, and think he's a top class player, but even I question why we'd hang onto a player who doesn't want to play for us, whilst he sits on high wages and devalues.
I'd love him to be a starter for us, but he clearly wants out and I think we'd be better re-investing in someone who wants to play for us.
Just do the old...oh sorry the paperwork didn't get done in time. He isn't going to refuse to play. He's under contract at Fulham. He's a Fulham player..
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I'm surprised that we've allowed a loan. FFP can't be a factor then as it doesn't help us immediately (bar his wages).
We will get a loan fee, the option to buy is around 15 million euros. So in total if he joins then permanently we will receive 18 million euros ish. I believe Napoli will pay 80% of his wages. (Around 63k a week) meaning we will still have to pay 7k a week. However, these massive wages off our wage bill should allow us to bring in every position we still need filling before the deadline
They are not paying all his wages Jesus, if we want and or get Carvalho its 85k euros over week, we will be spending more on the loan players wages than we were the player we are replacing on loan whilst still paying him.
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I'm surprised that we've allowed a loan. FFP can't be a factor then as it doesn't help us immediately (bar his wages).
We will get a loan fee, the option to buy is around 15 million euros. So in total if he joins then permanently we will receive 18 million euros ish. I believe Napoli will pay 80% of his wages. (Around 63k a week) meaning we will still have to pay 7k a week. However, these massive wages off our wage bill should allow us to bring in every position we still need filling before the deadline
They are not paying all his wages Jesus, if we want and or get Carvalho its 85k euros over week, we will be spending more on the loan players wages than we were the player we are replacing on loan whilst still paying him.
Carvalho's wages are 38k a week, so will be saving money no matter what
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I'm surprised that we've allowed a loan. FFP can't be a factor then as it doesn't help us immediately (bar his wages).
We will get a loan fee, the option to buy is around 15 million euros. So in total if he joins then permanently we will receive 18 million euros ish. I believe Napoli will pay 80% of his wages. (Around 63k a week) meaning we will still have to pay 7k a week. However, these massive wages off our wage bill should allow us to bring in every position we still need filling before the deadline
They are not paying all his wages Jesus, if we want and or get Carvalho its 85k euros over week, we will be spending more on the loan players wages than we were the player we are replacing on loan whilst still paying him.
Carvalho would still be under his Betis contract for the duration of the loan.
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I'm surprised that we've allowed a loan. FFP can't be a factor then as it doesn't help us immediately (bar his wages).
We will get a loan fee, the option to buy is around 15 million euros. So in total if he joins then permanently we will receive 18 million euros ish. I believe Napoli will pay 80% of his wages. (Around 63k a week) meaning we will still have to pay 7k a week. However, these massive wages off our wage bill should allow us to bring in every position we still need filling before the deadline
They are not paying all his wages Jesus, if we want and or get Carvalho its 85k euros over week, we will be spending more on the loan players wages than we were the player we are replacing on loan whilst still paying him.
Carvalho's wages are 38k a week, so will be saving money no matter what
According to the press and twitter he wants 85k euros per week which is why Norwich walked away and signed the guy from the Russian club
If he wants 38k a week and we are saving what you say then there should be no hold up on any bonuses or anything as we can afford it. It purely then is surely down to the player as if he wants to play in the championship. But like I say all the info I have seen in the press / on twitter is indicating 85k euros per week.
I am sure MS can talk to hIm and persuade him if all the finances work
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I'm surprised that we've allowed a loan. FFP can't be a factor then as it doesn't help us immediately (bar his wages).
We will get a loan fee, the option to buy is around 15 million euros. So in total if he joins then permanently we will receive 18 million euros ish. I believe Napoli will pay 80% of his wages. (Around 63k a week) meaning we will still have to pay 7k a week. However, these massive wages off our wage bill should allow us to bring in every position we still need filling before the deadline
They are not paying all his wages Jesus, if we want and or get Carvalho its 85k euros over week, we will be spending more on the loan players wages than we were the player we are replacing on loan whilst still paying him.
Carvalho would still be under his Betis contract for the duration of the loan.
I know but they want him off of the wage bill so they can sign Bellerin for less than they are paying him according to twitter exports which is all I am going on.
[Mike McGrath] Swansea have rejected a bid from Fulham for Matt Grimes
I certainly don't won't to see him in Fulham top again.
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I'm surprised that we've allowed a loan. FFP can't be a factor then as it doesn't help us immediately (bar his wages).
We will get a loan fee, the option to buy is around 15 million euros. So in total if he joins then permanently we will receive 18 million euros ish. I believe Napoli will pay 80% of his wages. (Around 63k a week) meaning we will still have to pay 7k a week. However, these massive wages off our wage bill should allow us to bring in every position we still need filling before the deadline
They are not paying all his wages Jesus, if we want and or get Carvalho its 85k euros over week, we will be spending more on the loan players wages than we were the player we are replacing on loan whilst still paying him.
Carvalho would still be under his Betis contract for the duration of the loan.
I know but they want hi. Off the wane bill so they can sign Bellerin for less than they are paying him according to twitter exports which is all I am going on.
Sure, but wages in the prem are hugely inflated, doubt he is on anywhere near 85k per week currently. The only figures I can find are somewhere around £40k currently, which is high, but lower than Anguissa.
Not thrilled about this prospective signing either, but I assume that Silva has been pushing for it.
I wonder if we will get a offer for Harrison Reed this week?
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I'm surprised that we've allowed a loan. FFP can't be a factor then as it doesn't help us immediately (bar his wages).
We will get a loan fee, the option to buy is around 15 million euros. So in total if he joins then permanently we will receive 18 million euros ish. I believe Napoli will pay 80% of his wages. (Around 63k a week) meaning we will still have to pay 7k a week. However, these massive wages off our wage bill should allow us to bring in every position we still need filling before the deadline
They are not paying all his wages Jesus, if we want and or get Carvalho its 85k euros over week, we will be spending more on the loan players wages than we were the player we are replacing on loan whilst still paying him.
Carvalho's wages are 38k a week, so will be saving money no matter what
According to the press and twitter he wants 85k euros per week which is why Norwich walked away and signed the guy from the Russian club
If he wants 38k a week and we are saving what you say then there should be no hold up on any bonuses or anything as we can afford it. It purely then is surely down to the player as if he wants to play in the championship. But like I say all the info I have seen in the press / on twitter is indicating 85k euros per week.
I am sure MS can talk to hIm and persuade him if all the finances work
I hadn't seen that he had asked for 85k a week, if that's the case I doubt we will get him. However, I was told we weren't far away from an agreement, it was mainly the clauses and bonuses he would receive if we get promoted
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I'm surprised that we've allowed a loan. FFP can't be a factor then as it doesn't help us immediately (bar his wages).
We will get a loan fee, the option to buy is around 15 million euros. So in total if he joins then permanently we will receive 18 million euros ish. I believe Napoli will pay 80% of his wages. (Around 63k a week) meaning we will still have to pay 7k a week. However, these massive wages off our wage bill should allow us to bring in every position we still need filling before the deadline
They are not paying all his wages Jesus, if we want and or get Carvalho its 85k euros over week, we will be spending more on the loan players wages than we were the player we are replacing on loan whilst still paying him.
Carvalho would still be under his Betis contract for the duration of the loan.
I know but they want hi. Off the wane bill so they can sign Bellerin for less than they are paying him according to twitter exports which is all I am going on.
Sure, but wages in the prem are hugely inflated, doubt he is on anywhere near 85k per week currently. The only figures I can find are somewhere around £40k currently, which is high, but lower than Anguissa.
Not thrilled about this prospective signing either, but I assume that Silva has been pushing for it.
Could be the case I've just gone form reports on twitter and some dubious press as not seen it in main stream here
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I'm surprised that we've allowed a loan. FFP can't be a factor then as it doesn't help us immediately (bar his wages).
We will get a loan fee, the option to buy is around 15 million euros. So in total if he joins then permanently we will receive 18 million euros ish. I believe Napoli will pay 80% of his wages. (Around 63k a week) meaning we will still have to pay 7k a week. However, these massive wages off our wage bill should allow us to bring in every position we still need filling before the deadline
They are not paying all his wages Jesus, if we want and or get Carvalho its 85k euros over week, we will be spending more on the loan players wages than we were the player we are replacing on loan whilst still paying him.
Carvalho's wages are 38k a week, so will be saving money no matter what
According to the press and twitter he wants 85k euros per week which is why Norwich walked away and signed the guy from the Russian club
If he wants 38k a week and we are saving what you say then there should be no hold up on any bonuses or anything as we can afford it. It purely then is surely down to the player as if he wants to play in the championship. But like I say all the info I have seen in the press / on twitter is indicating 85k euros per week.
I am sure MS can talk to hIm and persuade him if all the finances work
I hadn't seen that he had asked for 85k a week, if that's the case I doubt we will get him. However, I was told we weren't far away from an agreement, it was mainly the clauses and bonuses he would receive if we get promoted
This is one of the few i saw on his salary, dont know how reliable the source is https://twitter.com/footballreportg/status/1431375868790812675?s=21
But your mate inside has told you 38k so guess he must know quite a bit if he knows what salary is being offered. Has to be involve din the player signing / contract admin side of things
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I'm surprised that we've allowed a loan. FFP can't be a factor then as it doesn't help us immediately (bar his wages).
We will get a loan fee, the option to buy is around 15 million euros. So in total if he joins then permanently we will receive 18 million euros ish. I believe Napoli will pay 80% of his wages. (Around 63k a week) meaning we will still have to pay 7k a week. However, these massive wages off our wage bill should allow us to bring in every position we still need filling before the deadline
They are not paying all his wages Jesus, if we want and or get Carvalho its 85k euros over week, we will be spending more on the loan players wages than we were the player we are replacing on loan whilst still paying him.
Carvalho's wages are 38k a week, so will be saving money no matter what
According to the press and twitter he wants 85k euros per week which is why Norwich walked away and signed the guy from the Russian club
If he wants 38k a week and we are saving what you say then there should be no hold up on any bonuses or anything as we can afford it. It purely then is surely down to the player as if he wants to play in the championship. But like I say all the info I have seen in the press / on twitter is indicating 85k euros per week.
I am sure MS can talk to hIm and persuade him if all the finances work
I hadn't seen that he had asked for 85k a week, if that's the case I doubt we will get him. However, I was told we weren't far away from an agreement, it was mainly the clauses and bonuses he would receive if we get promoted
This is one of the few i saw on his salary, dont know how reliable the source is https://twitter.com/footballreportg/status/1431375868790812675?s=21
But your mate inside has told you 38k so guess he must know quite a bit if he knows what salary is being offered. Has to be involve din the player signing / contract admin side of things
Sorry that's the salary he is on now, I don't know what we've offered him if we get promoted. We will pay 38k this season if he comes. But we aren't far apart on personal terms for next season Apparenlty. Just seen on Twitter we've been linked with Guilbert from Aston Villa for the RB position. I'd take him
Reports linking us with French right back Frédéric Guilbert of Aston Villa,
Villa fans seem confident about it happening.
Quote from: Riversider on August 30, 2021, 10:39:19 AM
Reports linking us with French right back Frédéric Guilbert of Aston Villa,
Villa fans seem confident about it happening.
He's solid. Good backup option until Kenny is back.
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I'm surprised that we've allowed a loan. FFP can't be a factor then as it doesn't help us immediately (bar his wages).
We will get a loan fee, the option to buy is around 15 million euros. So in total if he joins then permanently we will receive 18 million euros ish. I believe Napoli will pay 80% of his wages. (Around 63k a week) meaning we will still have to pay 7k a week. However, these massive wages off our wage bill should allow us to bring in every position we still need filling before the deadline
They are not paying all his wages Jesus, if we want and or get Carvalho its 85k euros over week, we will be spending more on the loan players wages than we were the player we are replacing on loan whilst still paying him.
Carvalho's wages are 38k a week, so will be saving money no matter what
According to the press and twitter he wants 85k euros per week which is why Norwich walked away and signed the guy from the Russian club
If he wants 38k a week and we are saving what you say then there should be no hold up on any bonuses or anything as we can afford it. It purely then is surely down to the player as if he wants to play in the championship. But like I say all the info I have seen in the press / on twitter is indicating 85k euros per week.
I am sure MS can talk to hIm and persuade him if all the finances work
I hadn't seen that he had asked for 85k a week, if that's the case I doubt we will get him. However, I was told we weren't far away from an agreement, it was mainly the clauses and bonuses he would receive if we get promoted
This is one of the few i saw on his salary, dont know how reliable the source is https://twitter.com/footballreportg/status/1431375868790812675?s=21
But your mate inside has told you 38k so guess he must know quite a bit if he knows what salary is being offered. Has to be involve din the player signing / contract admin side of things
Sorry that's the salary he is on now, I don't know what we've offered him if we get promoted. We will pay 38k this season if he comes. But we aren't far apart on personal terms for next season Apparenlty. Just seen on Twitter we've been linked with Guilbert from Aston Villa for the RB position. I'd take him
I know it is, and also what Norwich walked away from, I cant see anyone taking more than 50% pay cut. Betis want his whole salary off their books as Belerin wants 75k apparently which would mean they couldnt afford that above the 38k surely.
Well that is it, all that is left for us now are TK's window closing day bargain basement buys, that is players not wanted by others. Similarly outgoing players , like Anguissa, will be snapped up in cheap deals.
However lets be thankful that we signed Wilson early on, he is looking good, especially in front of goal.
He doesn't won't to play for us unless we are in the premier league good riddance do you want him back if we are promoted.
https://twitter.com/footballleaguew/status/1432264448283140102
https://twitter.com/fball_insights_/status/1432271988530233344
I assume Grimes is being signed as back up for Seri?
Guilbert would be a solid acquisition, and an upgrade on Christie. It would give us 2 Premier League ready right back options with great competition for Place & possibilities for rotation and quality backups in case of injury. Comparable to our Left Back situation w/Bryan & Robinson. Indicates that we think Tete may be out for a long while & probably with a lengthy rehab. Maybe a bit harsh on Odoi and puts an obstacle in Sessegnon & Fossey's paths into the first team. Expect loans out if we get Guilbert. A bit ruthless, but we gotta stay focused on promotion
Oh, and 100 PAGES of this nonsense; congrats.
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Oh, and 100 PAGES of this nonsense; congrats.
Amazing and the sad thing is I've read every one of them 😂
Ha! Tragic, me too!
Could've read a good book...
Just as much fiction as any novel...
Yet here we are, hooked.
Honestly, I think we just need Anguissa gone now, he's beginning to whiff a bit.
Should we get promoted again, I don't want him as part of the squad. There is of course nothing to say that this is his fault, but this coming and going whenever we get relegated can't be good for squad harmony.
leicester after lookman
christie can go on a free transfer
https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-cyrus-christie-5848683
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christie can go on a free transfer
https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-cyrus-christie-5848683
Guess the gamble of triggering the extension didn't pan out.
https://twitter.com/rudygaletti/status/1432260398821085186
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 30, 2021, 12:16:31 PM
Honestly, I think we just need Anguissa gone now, he's beginning to whiff a bit.
Should we get promoted again, I don't want him as part of the squad. There is of course nothing to say that this is his fault, but this coming and going whenever we get relegated can't be good for squad harmony.
Exactly my thoughts, that's why I would rather sell him and we move on. Don't really want to loan him and he returns again for next season. I really hope someone offers us a decent fee but not sure it will happen.
Quote from: AJW48361 on August 30, 2021, 11:07:04 AM
He doesn't won't to play for us unless we are in the premier league good riddance do you want him back if we are promoted.
I didn't want him in the first place, a complete waste of money by the owners son.
I'd be surprised if Carvalho isn't joining now if it's being confirmed Anguissa's having a medical at Napoli.
William Carvalho is a DM. We have Reed, Seri & Onomah , so where would he fit in?
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William Carvalho is a DM. We have Reed, Seri & Onomah , so where would he fit in?
The name alone would confuse the opposition on who is actually playing
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William Carvalho is a DM. We have Reed, Seri & Onomah , so where would he fit in?
The name alone would confuse the opposition on who is actually playing
Fabio and William Carvalho look pretty different at least.
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William Carvalho is a DM. We have Reed, Seri & Onomah , so where would he fit in?
Onomah isn't a DM, and Silva played Reed much higher up the pitch yesterday which might allude to the fact he doesn't want to play him as a DM
If the William Carvalho rumors are true - at 29 - he's got a season or two with us at most? Someone with a longer time horizon would, on the face of it, be the way to go... but William Carvalho is a Portuguese International with tons of top level experience and would definitely do a job for us getting promoted and staying in the premier league finally past our first season I would hope.
Police cars revolving light Real Betis are forcing William Carvalho Flag of Portugal to go to the PL. The Portugese midfielder has so far refused to accept Fulham's offer, as he doesn't want to downgrade. FFC are willing to pay his entire salary and put a purchase option. #Betis #FFC
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Grimes it is then ..
https://twitter.com/diarioas/status/1432308618112618497
Quote from: Blawarmy on August 30, 2021, 12:31:05 PM
I'd be surprised if Carvalho isn't joining now if it's being confirmed Anguissa's having a medical at Napoli.
You'd have to ask Silva as he seems to be after him.
He's turned us down again according to reports. I've not had an update since first thing, so if he has turned us down again, I'd move on to Grimes or Chalobah.
Having watched a lot of Portugal over the last few years I actually don't think Carvalho is a particularly good player. He'd obviously be good at this level, but he's pretty slow and his best position is screening at the base of the midfield playing quite a simple game in possession, and that's an area where we already have Seri and Reed.
I think we'd be falling into the same traps/mistakes we made with Cavaliero and Knockaert - paying over the odds for players who won't be the level required if we do get promoted (or at least we'll have better options available being able to guarantee PL football and wages). And while we need squad depth, we don't really need to upgrade the starting midfield we have.
I'd much rather someone like Grimes, who we know can do a job at this level, and if we do get promoted and we don't think he'll be able to make the step up we can quite easily ship back down to a good Championship team - the basic approach Brighton took with Norwood.
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He's turned us down again according to reports. I've not had an update since first thing, so if he has turned us down again, I'd move on to Grimes or Chalobah.
And apparently Swansea have turned down a 2.5m bid for Grimes, who honestly probably wants to leave especially for a club going in the direction ours is... the question remaining is - how much is too much for Grimes? Do we go back in for 3.5m or just up it to 5m final offer?
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Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 30, 2021, 01:25:52 PM
He's turned us down again according to reports. I've not had an update since first thing, so if he has turned us down again, I'd move on to Grimes or Chalobah.
And apparently Swansea have turned down a 2.5m bid for Grimes, who honestly probably wants to leave especially for a club going in the direction ours is... the question remaining is - how much is too much for Grimes? Do we go back in for 3.5m or just up it to 5m final offer?
About right but I think £4M is about fair so I would put in £3.5M with a £500k promotion bonus
Unsubstantiated Twitter rumours that Swansea looking at Mawson
Quote from: bobby01 on August 30, 2021, 02:12:34 PM
Unsubstantiated Twitter rumours that Swansea looking at Mawson
It's a fake account, the guy has 77 followers
Offload Fabri, Christie and Hector, as these are not in Silvas plans.
Loan out Sess and Dorset for experience
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Quote from: bobby01 on August 30, 2021, 02:12:34 PM
Unsubstantiated Twitter rumours that Swansea looking at Mawson
It's a fake account, the guy has 77 followers
👍 I got fooled by walesonline saying they were looking for a cb
Nathaniel Chalobah would still be my choice if we're bringing in a midfielder. I think Seri and Harrison both offer the same or more in the holding mid spot(to a Matt Grimes), and William...bloody heck...he's so fricken slow..and 29.
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 30, 2021, 01:25:52 PM
He's turned us down again according to reports. I've not had an update since first thing, so if he has turned us down again, I'd move on to Grimes or Chalobah.
Grimes for Anguissa is a poor deal for us, he doesnt do the same role, unless the are moving Seri into that. I wouldnt as Seri has been great just as he is so far
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Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 30, 2021, 01:25:52 PM
He's turned us down again according to reports. I've not had an update since first thing, so if he has turned us down again, I'd move on to Grimes or Chalobah.
Grimes for Anguissa is a poor deal for us, he doesnt do the same role, unless the are moving Seri into that. I wouldnt as Seri has been great just as he is so far
Do we necessarily need a like for like?
Grimes is a combative creative DM - similar to Reed - him besides Harrison gives plenty of defensive energy in midfield but also a creative outlet for spreading quick deliveries out wide to the wings. I think that pairing would be great, With Seri and Fab to fight it out for the CAM spot or Seri has shown he too and play as a deep lying creative CM alongside a more physical presence
Also its not Grimes for Anguissa
Its grimes for Anguissa & potentially, reportedly, 12+ million on top
Could put that towards a bigger DM if we really wanted - or it could help with our RB situation or one more wing forward if we wanted to move on any of Knockaert/Kebano etc
There are only 32 hours of the window left. There will be the usual last hour panic.
Tyrese did not look out place.
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He's turned us down again according to reports. I've not had an update since first thing, so if he has turned us down again, I'd move on to Grimes or Chalobah.
Grimes for Anguissa is a poor deal for us, he doesnt do the same role, unless the are moving Seri into that. I wouldnt as Seri has been great just as he is so far
Do we necessarily need a like for like?
Grimes is a combative creative DM - similar to Reed - him besides Harrison gives plenty of defensive energy in midfield but also a creative outlet for spreading quick deliveries out wide to the wings. I think that pairing would be great, With Seri and Fab to fight it out for the CAM spot or Seri has shown he too and play as a deep lying creative CM alongside a more physical presence
I don't start Grimes over Seri, Onomah or Fabio. Why would we? We're already using Seri in Grimes role (even if they play it differently).
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Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 30, 2021, 01:25:52 PM
He's turned us down again according to reports. I've not had an update since first thing, so if he has turned us down again, I'd move on to Grimes or Chalobah.
Grimes for Anguissa is a poor deal for us, he doesnt do the same role, unless the are moving Seri into that. I wouldnt as Seri has been great just as he is so far
Do we necessarily need a like for like?
Grimes is a combative creative DM - similar to Reed - him besides Harrison gives plenty of defensive energy in midfield but also a creative outlet for spreading quick deliveries out wide to the wings. I think that pairing would be great, With Seri and Fab to fight it out for the CAM spot or Seri has shown he too and play as a deep lying creative CM alongside a more physical presence
For me yes, i would sign someone to replace Anguissa and leave Seri where he is, as he has been doing well. Say we move him and then he doesnt play well we have then, albeit in a small way, damaged the squad strength. Reed and Seri in the 2 would be great in my mind, JO could replace Anguissa, think he has done well this season, but I still think we need that replacement for Anguissa/Stefjo
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He's turned us down again according to reports. I've not had an update since first thing, so if he has turned us down again, I'd move on to Grimes or Chalobah.
Grimes for Anguissa is a poor deal for us, he doesnt do the same role, unless the are moving Seri into that. I wouldnt as Seri has been great just as he is so far
Do we necessarily need a like for like?
Grimes is a combative creative DM - similar to Reed - him besides Harrison gives plenty of defensive energy in midfield but also a creative outlet for spreading quick deliveries out wide to the wings. I think that pairing would be great, With Seri and Fab to fight it out for the CAM spot or Seri has shown he too and play as a deep lying creative CM alongside a more physical presence
I don't start Grimes over Seri, Onomah or Fabio. Why would we?
We don't HAVE to, but he's a quality player at this level. ATM josh is doing fairly well but until this point Grimes has proven himself a more consistent performer at this level. Wouldnt start him over Fab by any means but wouldn't be mad at him earning a spot over Josh. Seri I'm still more than happy to persevere with though we could bring him in for Fab later in games as our 2nd CAM option and have Grimes with Reed for the games where we face more physical opposition.
Either way, IF we lose Anguissa, Id be absolutely more than happy with Grimes for under 5m wether he starts from the offset or earns his place I like what I've seen
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Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 30, 2021, 01:25:52 PM
He's turned us down again according to reports. I've not had an update since first thing, so if he has turned us down again, I'd move on to Grimes or Chalobah.
Grimes for Anguissa is a poor deal for us, he doesnt do the same role, unless the are moving Seri into that. I wouldnt as Seri has been great just as he is so far
Do we necessarily need a like for like?
Grimes is a combative creative DM - similar to Reed - him besides Harrison gives plenty of defensive energy in midfield but also a creative outlet for spreading quick deliveries out wide to the wings. I think that pairing would be great, With Seri and Fab to fight it out for the CAM spot or Seri has shown he too and play as a deep lying creative CM alongside a more physical presence
I don't start Grimes over Seri, Onomah or Fabio. Why would we? We're already using Seri in Grimes role (even if they play it differently).
AOB, I agree with your assessment here as well. If Grimes does come, he'd really need to prove his worth to start over Seri, Onomah, or Fab - none of them have put a foot wrong. Seri has really been revelatory since either, or a combination of: 1) Buying in to a manager who understands him, 2) fighting to show he's good enough to be purchased by a club he prefers, 3) realized his previous "holier than tho" mentality has cost him years of his career he'll never get back and he just wants to have fun again.
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Quote from: WestSussexWhite on August 30, 2021, 01:25:52 PM
He's turned us down again according to reports. I've not had an update since first thing, so if he has turned us down again, I'd move on to Grimes or Chalobah.
Grimes for Anguissa is a poor deal for us, he doesnt do the same role, unless the are moving Seri into that. I wouldnt as Seri has been great just as he is so far
Do we necessarily need a like for like?
Grimes is a combative creative DM - similar to Reed - him besides Harrison gives plenty of defensive energy in midfield but also a creative outlet for spreading quick deliveries out wide to the wings. I think that pairing would be great, With Seri and Fab to fight it out for the CAM spot or Seri has shown he too and play as a deep lying creative CM alongside a more physical presence
For me yes, i would sign someone to replace Anguissa and leave Seri where he is, as he has been doing well. Say we move him and then he doesnt play well we have then, albeit in a small way, damaged the squad strength. Reed and Seri in the 2 would be great in my mind, JO could replace Anguissa, think he has done well this season, but I still think we need that replacement for Anguissa/Stefjo
Currently that's Onomah. But I agree that we should be TWO players deep at that spot and I don't think we currently are. Yes, Harrison can do the job there, but I'm not betting my house (or our chance of winning the Championship this season__ something Fulham has never done outright) on Harrison staying healthy the way he plays. I thought we were going to lose him this weekend after his lower leg got rolled into.
Nathaniel Chalobah...if he'd come. I've seen him play twice and he's fairly dynamic moving forward. Doesn't really offer anything defensively imo. But when the ball is in his feet he's always looking to set up the attack with the right pass. Work rate could be higher.
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He's turned us down again according to reports. I've not had an update since first thing, so if he has turned us down again, I'd move on to Grimes or Chalobah.
Grimes for Anguissa is a poor deal for us, he doesnt do the same role, unless the are moving Seri into that. I wouldnt as Seri has been great just as he is so far
Do we necessarily need a like for like?
Grimes is a combative creative DM - similar to Reed - him besides Harrison gives plenty of defensive energy in midfield but also a creative outlet for spreading quick deliveries out wide to the wings. I think that pairing would be great, With Seri and Fab to fight it out for the CAM spot or Seri has shown he too and play as a deep lying creative CM alongside a more physical presence
For me yes, i would sign someone to replace Anguissa and leave Seri where he is, as he has been doing well. Say we move him and then he doesnt play well we have then, albeit in a small way, damaged the squad strength. Reed and Seri in the 2 would be great in my mind, JO could replace Anguissa, think he has done well this season, but I still think we need that replacement for Anguissa/Stefjo
Currently that's Onomah. But I agree that we should be TWO players deep at that spot and I don't think we currently are. Yes, Harrison can do the job there, but I'm not betting my house (or our chance of winning the Championship this season__ something Fulham has never done outright) on Harrison staying healthy the way he plays. I thought we were going to lose him this weekend after his lower leg got rolled into.
Nathaniel Chalobah...if he'd come. I've seen him play twice and he's fairly dynamic moving forward. Doesn't really offer anything defensively imo. But when the ball is in his feet he's always looking to set up the attack with the right pass. Work rate could be higher.
I mean weve won this league - it just wasnt called the championship at the time.
Also might add never said he should start off the bat - just I felt he'd be a good pairing with Harrison or another solid DM.
Given Anguissa hasnt been starting I'd be happy having him off the bench and fighting for one of those spots. Josh has still yet to perform consistently in his career to date (though I am ever hopeful and willing him on) and as you say Harrison has his injury issues. See Grimes as a very good Harrison replacement too should he get injured
anyway, we shall see what transpires.
DM from Lyall Thomas.
Believes the Villa right back link is genuine. Says we have alternatives lined up from Italy and France but won't share the names.
Says Grimes is our main target as far as he knows after the Portuguese guy rejected.
Says he thinks we could be in for a 2 further players depending on who leaves
Feels pretty nice to not be overly bothered over incomings for once. Think the squad is already pretty complete.
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 30, 2021, 03:27:17 PM
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Says he thinks we could be in for a 2 further players depending on who leaves
I'm going to say it now.
Brennan Price Johnson is too good to be on Forest. I'd gamble on him right now, thinking he can make the jump to Prem quality with time.
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 30, 2021, 03:27:17 PM
DM from Lyall Thomas.
Believes the Villa right back link is genuine. Says we have alternatives lined up from Italy and France but won't share the names.
Says Grimes is our main target as far as he knows after the Portuguese guy rejected.
Says he thinks we could be in for a 2 further players depending on who leaves
Two more players as in a right back and midfielder? Or two more on top of those positions?
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/08/fulham-make-eustaquio-offer/
Fulham have made an offer to Portuguese side Pacos de Ferreira for midfielder Stephen Eustáquio, according to reports this afternoon.
Marco Silva is keen to supplement his midfield options before the transfer window slams shut tomorrow with Andre Frank Zambo Anguissa posed to join Napoli on loan shortly. The Canadian international, who has made 60 appearances in three years with Pacos, has been heavily linked with a move to Fenerbahce this summer.
The 26 year-old midfielder, who has won ten senior caps for his country, has spent most of his senior career in Portuguese football. He is most regularly used as a defensive midfielder and has made eight first team appearances so far this season, including playing in both legs of Pacos' European Conference League defeat by Spurs earlier this month.
46 games 3 Games a week you do need numbers especially with the Refs more lenient nature this season.
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Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 30, 2021, 03:27:17 PM
DM from Lyall Thomas.
Believes the Villa right back link is genuine. Says we have alternatives lined up from Italy and France but won't share the names.
Says Grimes is our main target as far as he knows after the Portuguese guy rejected.
Says he thinks we could be in for a 2 further players depending on who leaves
Two more players as in a right back and midfielder? Or two more on top of those positions?
My own interpretation was 2 more on top of those
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Quote from: JoeS on August 30, 2021, 03:45:54 PM
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 30, 2021, 03:27:17 PM
DM from Lyall Thomas.
Believes the Villa right back link is genuine. Says we have alternatives lined up from Italy and France but won't share the names.
Says Grimes is our main target as far as he knows after the Portuguese guy rejected.
Says he thinks we could be in for a 2 further players depending on who leaves
Two more players as in a right back and midfielder? Or two more on top of those positions?
My own interpretation was 2 more on top of those
Sounds promising, if you screen shot the DM and post it we can see of we agree with your interpretation
Lyall Thomas says Tosin is an option for Wolves if they cant get Botman, Botman likely to go to Sevilla
Sky Sports News have just reported that Swansea have apparently turned down our 2.5 million bid for Grimes.....
Got a hunch that we will sign Dembele from Peterborough
Quote from: junior white on August 30, 2021, 04:11:02 PM
Lyall Thomas says Tosin is an option for Wolves if they cant get Botman, Botman likely to go to Sevilla
Can't see that happening unless they pay over £30 million
Apparently we've put a bid in for fenerbache's Stephen Eustaquio (central mid)
[Mike McGrath] In the Championship, Blackburn Rovers are closing in on deal for Lincoln full-back Tayo Edun.[Mike McGrath]
one of our academy graduates
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Quote from: junior white on August 30, 2021, 04:11:02 PM
Lyall Thomas says Tosin is an option for Wolves if they cant get Botman, Botman likely to go to Sevilla
Can't see that happening unless they pay over £30 million
Agreed. Just don't think the club can sell Tosin unless there is an overwhelming offer at this point.
Hopefully Fulham let Wolves know they heard Phil Jones is available if they are looking for a CB...
Quote from: Danitar on August 30, 2021, 04:26:54 PM
Apparently we've put a bid in for fenerbache's Stephen Eustaquio (central mid)
That is a great bit of business for Fenerbahce.
Especially as he doesn't play for them :005:
Quote from: Blawarmy on August 30, 2021, 04:21:29 PM
Quote from: junior white on August 30, 2021, 04:11:02 PM
Lyall Thomas says Tosin is an option for Wolves if they cant get Botman, Botman likely to go to Sevilla
Can't see that happening unless they pay over £30 million
Hope not
Quote from: Danitar on August 30, 2021, 04:26:54 PM
Apparently we've put a bid in for fenerbache's Stephen Eustaquio (central mid)
He's playing in Portugal at the moment but Fener are interested in him. Quite a bit of hype around this guy and he's done really well in Portugal, not the tallest but a really commanding DM like Reed so would be intrigued in us signing him in comparison to Grimes. For anyone that likes a read about potential transfers:
https://breakingthelines.com/scouting-report/scouting-report-stephen-eustaquio/
My predictions for the next day: (zero insider knowledge, just based on reports)
Ins:
- Guilbert from Villa on loan
- Grimes from Swansea permanently
- Another surprise attacker
Outs:
- Anguissa, loan with option
- Christie perm
- Fabri perm
I remember Liverpool under Houllier won some trophies all in the same season. They didn't need to buy any players, but bought because the fans expected it. A lot of the buying is 'sheer madness', it looks great at the time. It's like what the 'joneses' bought mentality.
Conor Hourihane has agreed a season-long loan to Sheffield United
Bologna eye up Cyrus Christie.
Ireland full-back Cyrus Christie is being reportedly being lined up for a move to Serie A side Bologna.
According to The Irish Sun, the club are interested in taking the Fulham defender to Italy ahead of tomorrow's transfer deadline but face competition from Burnley and Stoke City.
https://punditarena.com/football/james-fenton/cyrus-christie-bologna/
Quote from: Worcesterwhite on August 30, 2021, 04:20:57 PM
Got a hunch that we will sign Dembele from Peterborough
I hope so, think he'd add something for us.
Spends lots of time on the bench for Peterborough.
Anyone "in the know" have any updates?
Will we go back in for Grimes with another bid?
Is Guilbert the only right back we have lined up or are there alternatives should that move not materialise?
Quote from: simplyfulham on August 30, 2021, 04:54:07 PM
Quote from: Danitar on August 30, 2021, 04:26:54 PM
Apparently we've put a bid in for fenerbache's Stephen Eustaquio (central mid)
That is a great bit of business for Fenerbahce.
Especially as he doesn't play for them :005:
As a CMNT fan he is quite a little player. He is a DM yet he can launch counter attacks and play a killer ball. Was the best player for Canada at the last Gold Cup and made the tournament 11. Had his career derailed by injuries when he was younger, but hes coming into his own now.
Quote from: simplyfulham on August 30, 2021, 04:54:07 PM
Quote from: Danitar on August 30, 2021, 04:26:54 PM
Apparently we've put a bid in for fenerbache's Stephen Eustaquio (central mid)
That is a great bit of business for Fenerbahce.
Especially as he doesn't play for them :005:
My bad but yes it would good business for them if they got, looks a decent player
I'd rather it was a good bit of business for us if WE get him.
I don't give a rat's about Fenerbahce
I fear that there may be a deeper reason why we're looking at all these midfielders...
We all believe that one will be replacing Anguissa, but maybe another might be addressing the possibility that Cairney may not be returning anytime soon...
There's a sadder possibility further down that path which we won't talk about here and now, but in terms of creative central midfielders, we might not be seeing TC til who knows when, and we'll be needing another fit player in the squad. Maybe.
Wouldn't mind if we signed a wonder kid or someone with loads of potential as a squad filler
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Wouldn't mind if we signed a wonder kid or someone with loads of potential as a squad filler
Rodrigo Muniz
Prezactly
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Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 30, 2021, 07:45:22 PM
Wouldn't mind if we signed a wonder kid or someone with loads of potential as a squad filler
Rodrigo Muniz
Great shout! forgot we signed hin
Just seen Maja might be off to Forest. Shame as I'd of liked him back for some depth here to be honest.
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 30, 2021, 08:27:26 PM
Just seen Maja might be off to Forest. Shame as I'd of liked him back for some depth here to be honest.
If he's going to Forest I'd be all in on
Brennan Johnson from them. Imo way more upside than Maja. Young, great pace and can finish.
Romano says Wolves have Tosin as an option
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 30, 2021, 08:46:10 PM
Romano says Wolves have Tosin as an option
:003: It's great to want nice things.
Fulham wants something too. More than money. Promotion.
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Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 30, 2021, 08:46:10 PM
Romano says Wolves have Tosin as an option
:003: It's great to want nice things.
Fulham wants something too. More than money. Promotion.
Happening way to late in the window as well now, so there's a very slim chance he does in fact leave. I think he could be a future captain for us.
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on August 30, 2021, 07:39:30 PM
I fear that there may be a deeper reason why we're looking at all these midfielders...
We all believe that one will be replacing Anguissa, but maybe another might be addressing the possibility that Cairney may not be returning anytime soon...
There's a sadder possibility further down that path which we won't talk about here and now, but in terms of creative central midfielders, we might not be seeing TC til who knows when, and we'll be needing another fit player in the squad. Maybe.
Sadly, I think Cairney is finished (at least with us). He's had almost all of 2021 including a summer to get healthy and his knee can't handle it.
We have to presume our midfield options are Fabio (with Wilson or BDR also capable of sliding in at the 10), Seri, Onomah and Reed, and it certainly looks like we need another body there now. I assume a RB and a CM type are coming in. If they can combine that with a new contract for Fab, that would be a sensational window.
Ben Davis going to Oxford by the sounds of it
https://hammyend.com/index.php/2021/08/davis-due-to-join-oxford/
So, last year on deadline day of the September transfer window (the summer window was pushed back because of the pandemic), we confirmed the signing of Tosin Adarabioyo at around 10:45pm, and the loan of Joachim Andersen at 11:45pm, so we do sometimes leave it late...
Im guessing today we are expecting a centre mid and a right back plus a few outgoings.
Strategy question: should our business this window be done with an eye on a possible PL campaign next season? Would it be better to wait until Jan or next summer? Obvs some players will not agree to join until we are actually promoted, but in my view we are always better off starting a PL campaign with a settled team or at least with certain key positions or partnerships settled. For me the important one is CB. If we could go in to a PL season with a settled back 4 or settled CB partnership that is PL level it would be such an advantage compared to the previous 2 PL campaigns. Tosin (if we keep him) would be one. Ream is evidently preferred to Mawson and Hector, no idea about Kongolo or if he will play for us regularly at any stage, but Ream, for all his qualities, is not going to cut it at PL level. Would it be worth looking for that PL ready CB now?
I think keeping what we got defensively.Your be doing well signing a premier league Centre Back atm.
Serge Aurier on loan anyone?
Quote from: bencher on August 31, 2021, 08:38:04 AM
Strategy question: should our business this window be done with an eye on a possible PL campaign next season? Would it be better to wait until Jan or next summer? Obvs some players will not agree to join until we are actually promoted, but in my view we are always better off starting a PL campaign with a settled team or at least with certain key positions or partnerships settled. For me the important one is CB. If we could go in to a PL season with a settled back 4 or settled CB partnership that is PL level it would be such an advantage compared to the previous 2 PL campaigns. Tosin (if we keep him) would be one. Ream is evidently preferred to Mawson and Hector, no idea about Kongolo or if he will play for us regularly at any stage, but Ream, for all his qualities, is not going to cut it at PL level. Would it be worth looking for that PL ready CB now?
I agree with this and have said so on other threads about needing a PL side more or less in place like we had when we got promoted under Tigana. A good centre back partnership of PL level would be key to us getting up and, more importantly, staying up.
Easier said than done.
I see spurs are close to signing another rightfull would love to sing matt doherty on loan
According to a Lyall Thomas tweet 6 minutes ago Wolves over the recent days have maybe enquiries about Tosin, cant believe we have been receptive so hoping thats as far as it has gone.
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Quote from: bencher on August 31, 2021, 08:38:04 AM
Strategy question: should our business this window be done with an eye on a possible PL campaign next season? Would it be better to wait until Jan or next summer? Obvs some players will not agree to join until we are actually promoted, but in my view we are always better off starting a PL campaign with a settled team or at least with certain key positions or partnerships settled. For me the important one is CB. If we could go in to a PL season with a settled back 4 or settled CB partnership that is PL level it would be such an advantage compared to the previous 2 PL campaigns. Tosin (if we keep him) would be one. Ream is evidently preferred to Mawson and Hector, no idea about Kongolo or if he will play for us regularly at any stage, but Ream, for all his qualities, is not going to cut it at PL level. Would it be worth looking for that PL ready CB now?
I agree with this and have said so on other threads about needing a PL side more or less in place like we had when we got promoted under Tigana. A good centre back partnership of PL level would be key to us getting up and, more importantly, staying up.
Let's be realistic - we are not going to be able to sign any centre backs better than we have now on the last day of window. I'll be happy if we keep Tosin. Then we have Ream, Mawson and Kongolo who will see us through until the end of season (injuries permitting to the latter two) and Hector as able back-up.
If Palace go down, then we can sign Andersen (and hopefully Areola) on permanents deals and that is the defence sorted.
The problem in previous seasons where we have been promoted is that the entire defence needed to be upgraded. However, we will hopefully have 3 of the back 4 Premier League ready and established in the team (Tete, Tosin and Robinson). I also have hope that a fit Mawson and Kongolo would be at least good enough as back-up in the top division.
https://twitter.com/caughtoffside/status/1432639267239510018
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on August 31, 2021, 11:01:47 AM
https://twitter.com/caughtoffside/status/1432639267239510018
Linked to a right back not surprised given the Tete injury
I note that a lot of posts refer to Kongolo and other sick notes
I once heard an interview with Emlin Hughes who was asked
about Liverpools succes and he said the Manager (Bill Shankly)
only buys players with an apperience record (enough said)
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Strategy question: should our business this window be done with an eye on a possible PL campaign next season? Would it be better to wait until Jan or next summer? Obvs some players will not agree to join until we are actually promoted, but in my view we are always better off starting a PL campaign with a settled team or at least with certain key positions or partnerships settled. For me the important one is CB. If we could go in to a PL season with a settled back 4 or settled CB partnership that is PL level it would be such an advantage compared to the previous 2 PL campaigns. Tosin (if we keep him) would be one. Ream is evidently preferred to Mawson and Hector, no idea about Kongolo or if he will play for us regularly at any stage, but Ream, for all his qualities, is not going to cut it at PL level. Would it be worth looking for that PL ready CB now?
I agree with this and have said so on other threads about needing a PL side more or less in place like we had when we got promoted under Tigana. A good centre back partnership of PL level would be key to us getting up and, more importantly, staying up.
Let's be realistic - we are not going to be able to sign any centre backs better than we have now on the last day of window. I'll be happy if we keep Tosin. Then we have Ream, Mawson and Kongolo who will see us through until the end of season (injuries permitting to the latter two) and Hector as able back-up.
If Palace go down, then we can sign Andersen (and hopefully Areola) on permanents deals and that is the defence sorted.
The problem in previous seasons where we have been promoted is that the entire defence needed to be upgraded. However, we will hopefully have 3 of the back 4 Premier League ready and established in the team (Tete, Tosin and Robinson). I also have hope that a fit Mawson and Kongolo would be at least good enough as back-up in the top division.
Bencher mentioned the January window, or even next summer. No one is expecting another CB to arrive today! Mawson and Kongolo are both injury prone. Ream isn't up to PL standard.
but I still think we need that replacement for Anguissa/Stefjo
Well if that's the case, let's beat Bournemouth to their target Ryan Christie
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on August 31, 2021, 11:01:47 AM
https://twitter.com/caughtoffside/status/1432639267239510018
A speedy Physical Dutch right back who started at Ajax.... Gus Ulhenbeek springs to mind 😂
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https://twitter.com/caughtoffside/status/1432639267239510018
A speedy Physical Dutch right back who started at Ajax.... Gus Ulhenbeek springs to mind 😂
I look forward to the announcement pun with a name like that...
We often sign people on deadline day that we've had 0 rumours about. Wonder who it could be today.
https://twitter.com/johnstejourno/status/1432655899265470468
Quote from: Friendsoffulham on August 31, 2021, 12:40:31 PM
https://twitter.com/johnstejourno/status/1432655899265470468
Can't see how he is an improvement on anyone we have currently, so I doubt it is true.
Berahino was he not the one with a bad attitude? or some other scandal linked to him?
The Berahino tweet is fake, he's reportedly joining Sheffield Wednesday
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https://twitter.com/johnstejourno/status/1432655899265470468
Can't see how he is an improvement on anyone we have currently, so I doubt it is true.
I wouldn't be too interested in him, but I think the squad does lack a quick and nimble striker in the Jermaine Defoe mould. Muniz looks like a junior Mitro and apart from Stansfield there is no one else (although perhaps Stansfield deserves a chance to be given this role).
That is literally some rando who just made that up haha
Peter Rutzler
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Fulham will be active today and are hoping to replace outgoing midfielder Andre-Frank Anguissa. He's set to join Napoli on loan. Jean Michael Seri, though, is set to stay. More on that in our tracker here: #FFC
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https://twitter.com/caughtoffside/status/1432639267239510018
A speedy Physical Dutch right back who started at Ajax.... Gus Ulhenbeek springs to mind 😂
I look forward to the announcement pun with a name like that...
Pity his first name isn't Watt!
Berahino? If you say so pal. Must be a slow day if someone's carting this out.
If you're going to try and pass this off as legit at least spell his first name right!
Most ridiculous rumour i've heard yet on silly season - whoever mocked this up take a bow.
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Pity his first name isn't Watt!
:005: - well played sir.
Not that @rsed about signing another right back unless they are PL potential/ready TBH. As far as i've seen we've not got rid of Christie yet - even on a reported free. IF that report is correct, I reckon he might see out his contract and pick up the money In the U23s if no one else meets his wage demands.
Another CM to replace Zambo would be a priority IMO - anything else a bonus.
Jamal Lowe to Bournemouth from Swansea for 1.5 million that's quite cheap i think, not see na lot of him nut when i have he seems decent
Wonder if we could get Ainsley Maitland-Niles in with a cheeky bid, would solve both the RB and CM problems.
I think Lowe of Swansea is a very tidy centre forward. Has all round ability just needs to score more regularly than he does. If reported £1.5m then that's a steal for someone like him.
Carvalho confirms he is staying at Betis. Gave brief interview at their training ground.
Gerry Pimm says Mawson stays and we rejected loan bid from Swansea.
Iván Alejo rejected us.
Quote from: Tabby on August 31, 2021, 01:17:35 PM
Wonder if we could get Ainsley Maitland-Niles in with a cheeky bid, would solve both the RB and CM problems.
Would be a great shout but I could only see him accepting a loan move at best, if that. That said, hes 24 now so maybe he wants to settle somewhere and play first team football. Would probably command a place in a decent Prem team though so unlikely.
Quote from: Tabby on August 31, 2021, 01:17:35 PM
Wonder if we could get Ainsley Maitland-Niles in with a cheeky bid, would solve both the RB and CM problems.
Was thinking the same as well, did well last year at WBA.
Also too late now but Choudhry from Leicester is a tidy midfielder, who could have been worth a punt, but seems to be going on loan to Newcastle!
chancel mbemba at motspur today - supposedly told a brother of a fan when he bumped into him at the airport . Not sure if true but it's on Fulham's Twitter feed.
He's a defender with Porto.
https://twitter.com/yeIlowcoat/status/1432668573743321090/photo/1
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on August 31, 2021, 01:57:36 PM
chancel mbemba seen at motspur today supposedly by a fan . Not sure if true but it's on Fulham's Twitter feed.
He's a defender with Porto.
Remember him being highly rated at Newcastle for a while, wonder what happened there. Guess Kebano could help convince him to move.
Zambo is done according to Twitter.
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chancel mbemba seen at motspur today supposedly by a fan . Not sure if true but it's on Fulham's Twitter feed.
He's a defender with Porto.
Remember him being highly rated at Newcastle for a while, wonder what happened there. Guess Kebano could help convince him to move.
From Wikipedia:
A 2013 report by CNN found that documents support four different dates of birth for Mbemba from 1988 to 1994, with the player saying himself that he was born in 1990; an anonymous member of the Congolese Association Football Federation said that his date of birth was changed to 1991 so that he would be eligible for the 2012 Olympics where players must be under 23.[6] Upon signing for Newcastle, he said that he was born in 1994 and that there was forensic proof.
Classic
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Zambo is done according to Twitter.
Good riddance
Who would have thought Zambo would be the villain and Seri the potential hero
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Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on August 31, 2021, 01:57:36 PM
chancel mbemba seen at motspur today supposedly by a fan . Not sure if true but it's on Fulham's Twitter feed.
He's a defender with Porto.
Remember him being highly rated at Newcastle for a while, wonder what happened there. Guess Kebano could help convince him to move.
From Wikipedia:
A 2013 report by CNN found that documents support four different dates of birth for Mbemba from 1988 to 1994, with the player saying himself that he was born in 1990; an anonymous member of the Congolese Association Football Federation said that his date of birth was changed to 1991 so that he would be eligible for the 2012 Olympics where players must be under 23.[6] Upon signing for Newcastle, he said that he was born in 1994 and that there was forensic proof.
Classic
So a perfect Tony Khan signing
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Quote from: Tabby on August 31, 2021, 01:59:59 PM
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on August 31, 2021, 01:57:36 PM
chancel mbemba seen at motspur today supposedly by a fan . Not sure if true but it's on Fulham's Twitter feed.
He's a defender with Porto.
Remember him being highly rated at Newcastle for a while, wonder what happened there. Guess Kebano could help convince him to move.
From Wikipedia:
A 2013 report by CNN found that documents support four different dates of birth for Mbemba from 1988 to 1994, with the player saying himself that he was born in 1990; an anonymous member of the Congolese Association Football Federation said that his date of birth was changed to 1991 so that he would be eligible for the 2012 Olympics where players must be under 23.[6] Upon signing for Newcastle, he said that he was born in 1994 and that there was forensic proof.
Classic
Don't worry - Tony's stats model will weed him out
Anguissa for £15m total isn't great business, but it is a depressed market and should provide a fair amount of FFP space that we may be able to take advantage of in January.
Seri staying is great, but we do need another midfielder in the squad.
Quote from: Count Flapula on August 31, 2021, 01:08:53 PM
Not that @rsed about signing another right back unless they are PL potential/ready TBH. As far as i've seen we've not got rid of Christie yet - even on a reported free. IF that report is correct, I reckon he might see out his contract and pick up the money In the U23s if no one else meets his wage demands.
Another CM to replace Zambo would be a priority IMO - anything else a bonus.
Tete is a PL quality right back, we just need someone to cover if he's out until January.
Christie is one where I imagine if we do not get any interest, we'll probably come to a deal with to release (with some kind of exit payment) then he'll be able to move on as a free agent.
Mbemba seems to have done well at Porto no matter what age he is. But he has been playing as a CB, wonder if that means that Tosin is on the way out.
Any news on how much the 1 year loan fee for Anguissa is? 15m + 3m loan fee would be fine for me tbh.
The Mbemba rumour is not real, was a joke on Twitter from a few years back that someone has decided to startup again
Quote from: itombomb on August 31, 2021, 02:10:20 PM
Anguissa for £15m total isn't great business, but it is a depressed market and should provide a fair amount of FFP space that we may be able to take advantage of in January.
We won't be able to take advantage of it in January unless they choose to sign him permanently in January, which is very unlikely to happen.
Realistic best case is this has freed up £2-3m from wages being paid by Napoli. Highly doubt there is a loan fee involved as we are not in a strong bargaining position.
If Sheffield United are determined to hold out for a team to meet the 35m release clause for Sander Berge, why are we so willing to let one of our prized assets go for a loan with a purported option to buy (that is still a big loss for us)
Quote from: FFC In Oz on August 31, 2021, 02:44:28 PM
If Sheffield United are determined to hold out for a team to meet the 35m release clause for Sander Berge, why are we so willing to let one of our prized assets go for a loan with a purported option to buy (that is still a big loss for us)
Anguissa wants out, berge doesnt
Quote from: FFC In Oz on August 31, 2021, 02:44:28 PM
If Sheffield United are determined to hold out for a team to meet the 35m release clause for Sander Berge, why are we so willing to let one of our prized assets go for a loan with a purported option to buy (that is still a big loss for us)
I think the club consider Frank as being surplus to requirements, and he also wants to leave. As the poster above said - we are not really in a strong bargaining position. Whilst it would be great to get £20m plus for him - I suspect that we never will, simply because he is not worth that much. The club overpaid for a player who (for all his skill and composure) provides very little in terms of end product...
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Quote from: FFC In Oz on August 31, 2021, 02:44:28 PM
If Sheffield United are determined to hold out for a team to meet the 35m release clause for Sander Berge, why are we so willing to let one of our prized assets go for a loan with a purported option to buy (that is still a big loss for us)
I think the club consider Frank as being surplus to requirements, and he also wants to leave. As the poster above said - we are not really in a strong bargaining position. Whilst it would be great to get £20m plus for him - I suspect that we never will, simply because he is not worth that much. The club overpaid for a player who (for all his skill and composure) provides very little in terms of end product...
We may or may not have overpaid. But I would say that we bought him expecting him to improve (especially in goal involvements), and he probably hasn't really improved. Good player, but not a great player. Priced accordingly.
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Quote from: Lordedmundo on August 31, 2021, 02:50:46 PM
Quote from: FFC In Oz on August 31, 2021, 02:44:28 PM
If Sheffield United are determined to hold out for a team to meet the 35m release clause for Sander Berge, why are we so willing to let one of our prized assets go for a loan with a purported option to buy (that is still a big loss for us)
I think the club consider Frank as being surplus to requirements, and he also wants to leave. As the poster above said - we are not really in a strong bargaining position. Whilst it would be great to get £20m plus for him - I suspect that we never will, simply because he is not worth that much. The club overpaid for a player who (for all his skill and composure) provides very little in terms of end product...
We may or may not have overpaid. But I would say that we bought him expecting him to improve (especially in goal involvements), and he probably hasn't really improved. Good player, but not a great player. Priced accordingly.
Helped take us down twice. Third time lucky without him hopefully.
Sheffield United are also £25 million in the black this transfer window after selling Ramsdale, FFP constraints put us in a weaker position.
West Ham apparently trying to sign Moussa Dembele.
[emoji599] Fulham have launched a fresh £2.5M+ bid to sign Matt Grimes [emoji1022] from Swansea City. #FulhamFC #Swans
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I doubt it's much but will Oxford have to compensate us for Ben Davies from the academy?
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[emoji599] Fulham have launched a fresh £2.5M+ bid to sign Matt Grimes [emoji1022] from Swansea City. #FulhamFC #Swans
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Seems very cheap for a decent English player - surely we can stump up 4/5m for him if that's what is needed
Isnt that the 4th bid of 2.5m that we've put in? They rejected the other 3 so....
Quote from: mrmicawbers on August 31, 2021, 03:39:00 PM
I doubt it's much but will Oxford have to compensate us for Ben Davies from the academy?
They will have been obligated to negotiate with us as he is under contract, but I doubt we have asked for anything other than a nominal fee & a sell on clause.
Quote from: Caedal on August 31, 2021, 03:42:49 PM
Isnt that the 4th bid of 2.5m that we've put in? They rejected the other 3 so....
Apparently we bid £2 million before but the figures are different everywhere. It seems a new bid was recently put in though.
Quote from: Dougie on August 31, 2021, 02:19:47 PM
Quote from: itombomb on August 31, 2021, 02:10:20 PM
Anguissa for £15m total isn't great business, but it is a depressed market and should provide a fair amount of FFP space that we may be able to take advantage of in January.
We won't be able to take advantage of it in January unless they choose to sign him permanently in January, which is very unlikely to happen.
Realistic best case is this has freed up £2-3m from wages being paid by Napoli. Highly doubt there is a loan fee involved as we are not in a strong bargaining position.
Ligue 1 agents really pulled our pants down in summer 2018... Anguissa at (reported?) £30m grossly overpriced whether we paid for "potential" or not. If we were paying £30m for potential, we should have offered a smaller base with potential add-ons to take it to £30m if he met those targets. He is a good player but we overpaid, simple as.
What did we pay for MLM and Seri combined? Seri coming good finally but Zambo and Nice transfers were an absolutely criminal overspend.
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Quote from: Blawarmy on August 31, 2021, 03:33:02 PM
[emoji599] Fulham have launched a fresh £2.5M+ bid to sign Matt Grimes [emoji1022] from Swansea City. #FulhamFC #Swans
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Seems very cheap for a decent English player - surely we can stump up 4/5m for him if that's what is needed
Contract expires at the end of the season so they'd risk losing him on a free, hence the (surprisingly) low price.
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Quote from: PaulJ123 on August 31, 2021, 03:42:01 PM
Quote from: Blawarmy on August 31, 2021, 03:33:02 PM
[emoji599] Fulham have launched a fresh £2.5M+ bid to sign Matt Grimes [emoji1022] from Swansea City. #FulhamFC #Swans
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Seems very cheap for a decent English player - surely we can stump up 4/5m for him if that's what is needed
Contract expires at the end of the season so they'd risk losing him on a free, hence the (surprisingly) low price.
Ahhh makes sense, thanks.
https://twitter.com/sportspeteo/status/1432717715467378688
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Quote from: Blawarmy on August 31, 2021, 03:33:02 PM
[emoji599] Fulham have launched a fresh £2.5M+ bid to sign Matt Grimes [emoji1022] from Swansea City. #FulhamFC #Swans
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Seems very cheap for a decent English player - surely we can stump up 4/5m for him if that's what is needed
Contract expires at the end of the season so they'd risk losing him on a free, hence the (surprisingly) low price.
We should just pay the 4M and stop pissing about
Fulham are exploring a late loan move for Newcastle United defender Emil Krafth as they look to bring in a new right-back before the transfer window shuts. #FFC #NUFC #DeadlineDay
Peter O Rorule is reliable
99% of Newcastle fans are offering to drive him here. Wonderful
Quote from: Count Flapula on August 31, 2021, 03:47:00 PM
Quote from: Dougie on August 31, 2021, 02:19:47 PM
Quote from: itombomb on August 31, 2021, 02:10:20 PM
Anguissa for £15m total isn't great business, but it is a depressed market and should provide a fair amount of FFP space that we may be able to take advantage of in January.
We won't be able to take advantage of it in January unless they choose to sign him permanently in January, which is very unlikely to happen.
Realistic best case is this has freed up £2-3m from wages being paid by Napoli. Highly doubt there is a loan fee involved as we are not in a strong bargaining position.
Ligue 1 agents really pulled our pants down in summer 2018... Anguissa at (reported?) £30m grossly overpriced whether we paid for "potential" or not. If we were paying £30m for potential, we should have offered a smaller base with potential add-ons to take it to £30m if he met those targets. He is a good player but we overpaid, simple as.
What did we pay for MLM and Seri combined? Seri coming good finally but Zambo and Nice transfers were an absolutely criminal overspend.
He was, like Mitroglou, a good player but not the right signing at the right time for us. The subtle issues an experienced DOF would have known (needing time to adjust, not being disciplined enough to play DM on his own, etc) but our naive rookie DOF missed. But actually I think the fact he can still command a fee like £15m now he's 3 years older, on a relatively short contract and we're motivated to sell, shows that actually he was worth the £25m we paid for him at the time.
Quote from: rusty shackleford on August 31, 2021, 03:54:00 PM
99% of Newcastle fans are offering to drive him here. Wonderful
They have always been renowned for their generosity those geordies
Hector is trying to get a move away from Fulham
Quote from: rusty shackleford on August 31, 2021, 03:54:00 PM
99% of Newcastle fans are offering to drive him here. Wonderful
I've only seen 1 Newcastle fan say that
Quote from: DevonFFC on August 31, 2021, 04:06:51 PM
Hector is trying to get a move away from Fulham
With our injury prone CBs we need him for backup
Good to see our ex youngsters moving up the leagues.
Blackburn sign Tayo Edun on permanent deal from Lincoln
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Quote from: rusty shackleford on August 31, 2021, 03:54:00 PM
99% of Newcastle fans are offering to drive him here. Wonderful
I've only seen 1 Newcastle fan say that
Yeah, the rest of them are just celebrating wildly. In fact I only seen 1 saying he was decent
i actually remember watching Emil Krafth from the Euros. I thought he stood out as a pretty good player for Sweden
Quote from: Statto on August 31, 2021, 03:59:23 PM
He was, like Mitroglou, a good player but not the right signing at the right time for us. The subtle issues an experienced DOF would have known (needing time to adjust, not being disciplined enough to play DM on his own, etc) but our naive rookie DOF missed. But actually I think the fact he can still command a fee like £15m now he's 3 years older, on a relatively short contract and we're motivated to sell, shows that actually he was worth the £25m we paid for him at the time.
He was - and is - a good player. Worth £25m (if that's what we paid) - at the time we bought him? More palatable than that £30m mentioned by someone else earlier and I don't totally disagree, but still not worth £25m up front IMO as he was very raw still - maybe worth
up to £25m total including add-on payments IF he met specific targets / reached his potential . I'd suggest at the very least our offer was structured completely wrong, so still maintain we were somewhat fleeced by agents/clubs in France that summer.
With regards to your passage above highlighted in bold, I appreciate what you're saying but he's still only 25 now so barely in his peak years yet, if at all - plus has effectively 3 years left on his contract with us, so to be forced to sell him for £10m less than we paid at that profile after 2 full Prem seasons and a season playing in La Liga is hugely disappointing. Appreciate it's a completely different market now due to COVID/us needing to satisfy FFP considerations. That said, it's quite a heavy loss considering his remaining contract length and age.
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on August 31, 2021, 04:28:24 PM
i actually remember watching Emil Krafth from the Euros. I thought he stood out as a pretty good player for Sweden
In addition to covering for Tete, he has also played a bit at CB so could be the 5th CB if Hector leaves
Quote from: rusty shackleford on August 31, 2021, 03:54:00 PM
99% of Newcastle fans are offering to drive him here. Wonderful
So did a lot of Lyon fans say the same thing when we bought Tete. Sometimes a new team could help change things up...
Quote from: ZM15 on August 31, 2021, 04:48:09 PM
Quote from: rusty shackleford on August 31, 2021, 03:54:00 PM
99% of Newcastle fans are offering to drive him here. Wonderful
So did a lot of Lyon fans say the same thing when we bought Tete. Sometimes a new team could help change things up...
They did, and good shout... also what happened to Mitro? Newcastle outcast now Fulham legend and golden boot winner?
Kraft played 8 times for Sweden this year so can't be that bad. And if he is bad for Newcastle in the PL he may be better in the Championship
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on August 31, 2021, 04:54:03 PM
Kraft played 8 times for Sweden this year so can't be that bad. And if he is bad for Newcastle in the PL he may be better in the Championship
This is exactly why we need to keep Tosin.. He is pretty solid in the PL. We have all seen what happens if we try to revamp the team every time we go up. Disaster
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on August 31, 2021, 04:54:03 PM
Kraft played 8 times for Sweden this year so can't be that bad. And if he is bad for Newcastle in the PL he may be better in the Championship
I don't think he's a bad player at all, but he's not at all similar to Kenny. He's not particularly quick and doesn't seem to get forward to cross the ball much (4 assists in 4 years). He is more like a CB playing out wide than the other way around IMO.
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on August 31, 2021, 04:54:03 PM
Kraft played 8 times for Sweden this year so can't be that bad. And if he is bad for Newcastle in the PL he may be better in the Championship
Not like there is a surplus of elite Swedish RB's tbf.
Grimes rejected again
Quote from: rusty shackleford on August 31, 2021, 05:14:05 PM
Grimes rejected again
I mean it was so obvious. You can't keep just putting the same bid in. Just offer the 4m and be done with it
Why not ask Swansea how much the want for Grimes. If it is under 5 mil pay the money. If they want more back out.
Tbf were in the driving seat in some ways with grimes
They know he walks for free next year so we're pushing it. Given we're tight for cash with ffp no need to over extend...well top it up if needs be before the days out
Quote from: jayffc on August 31, 2021, 05:27:19 PM
Tbf were in the driving seat in some ways with grimes
They know he walks for free next year so we're pushing it. Given we're tight for cash with ffp no need to over extend...well top it up if needs be before the days out
On top of that how many times are we screwed over by not getting the price we want, about time we did it to others rather than be push overs
Zambo extended his contract before leaving. Wtf
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Quote from: jayffc on August 31, 2021, 05:27:19 PM
Tbf were in the driving seat in some ways with grimes
They know he walks for free next year so we're pushing it. Given we're tight for cash with ffp no need to over extend...well top it up if needs be before the days out
On top of that how many times are we screwed over by not getting the price we want, about time we did it to others rather than be push overs
If we settle on under 4 mil then why not save the money that could help us pick up decent rb cover
Quote from: rusty shackleford on August 31, 2021, 05:33:52 PM
Zambo extended his contract before leaving. Wtf
FFP. Same reason Mitro did.
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If we do end up getting Grimes we'll have an embarrassment of riches at CM at the Championship level. Any one of Seri, Reed, Onomah or Grimes would start at virtually every Championship club, and we'll only have places for two of them in the starting 11. Then we've got Francois who hasn't looked out of place when he's played, and potentially Cairney to come back at some point too. It'll be difficult to keep those first four happy as they'll all want to start, but we'll be very well protected in case of injuries.
As I said in the other thread, no mention of an option to buy. I'm assuming it's a good loan fee plus them paying his wages for a season.
Quote from: NJFulham on August 31, 2021, 05:34:37 PM
Quote from: rusty shackleford on August 31, 2021, 05:33:52 PM
Zambo extended his contract before leaving. Wtf
FFP. Same reason Mitro did.
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That logic doesn't stand up at all, especially when you include Mitro in the argument who has clearly stated he's very happy here (even with us yo-yoing around). Sure it may be the case with Frank, or Frank may be on a great deal with us and may struggle to get better anywhere else - Or frank is actually a good guy, who does like being at the club and with our squad and wants to play for us in a successful team. Likely to be one of those three options.
We get him back if we go up and it's possible Silva could get the best out of him as were seeing with Seri.
Or
It helps with FFP
And or if he doesn't have an option with napoli but performs wellike he did on his last loan,we're in a better position to sell him for a good fee later
Can't complain about that!
Quote from: SKSW6 on August 31, 2021, 05:34:51 PM
If we do end up getting Grimes we'll have an embarrassment of riches at CM at the Championship level. Any one of Seri, Reed, Onomah or Grimes would start at virtually every Championship club, and we'll only have places for two of them in the starting 11. Then we've got Francois who hasn't looked out of place when he's played, and potentially Cairney to come back at some point too. It'll be difficult to keep those first four happy as they'll all want to start, but we'll be very well protected in case of injuries.
Reed gets injured again though and we're down to only three options, which is quite light in my view - even if their quality is high. One red card or suspension and another niggling injury and anything could happen.
The contract extension is just the clause that was already in I assume, not a new contract.
To be honest, this is a much much better solution in all ways, regardless of what happens at the end.
The club's had a blinder here I reckon
Quote from: Tabby on August 31, 2021, 05:41:41 PM
The contract extension is just the clause that was already in I assume, not a new contract.
Never mentioned an option in the announcement when we signed him
And normally they do, if there is one
Quote from: rusty shackleford on August 31, 2021, 05:33:52 PM
Zambo extended his contract before leaving. Wtf
I do love a plot twist!
Quote from: Caedal on August 31, 2021, 05:37:39 PM
As I said in the other thread, no mention of an option to buy. I'm assuming it's a good loan fee plus them paying his wages for a season.
Napoli have confirmed that they have an option to purchase... https://www.sscnapoli.it/static/news/Anguissa-joins-Napoli-on-loan-23332.aspx
Fee is rumoured to be £15m
That is sad. Very strange Fulham haven't announced that
Quote from: Statto on August 31, 2021, 05:44:39 PM
Quote from: Tabby on August 31, 2021, 05:41:41 PM
The contract extension is just the clause that was already in I assume, not a new contract.
Never mentioned an option in the announcement when we signed him
And normally they do, if there is one
But the wording is very specific, extended contract, not new contract. Compare it to the Mitro one where it is a new contract. When I've been looking at different sites I've seen that they're reporting that we had a one year extension option.
Anyway, according to Napoli there is an option to buy in there.
"La SSC Napoli comunica di aver acquisito dal Fulham FC le prestazioni sportive di Andre Frank Zambo Anguissa con la formula del prestito con diritto di riscatto"
Which through a google translate becomes:
"SSC Napoli announces that it has acquired Andre Frank Zambo Anguissa's sports performances from Fulham FC with the formula of the loan with the right of redemption"
Quote from: Caedal on August 31, 2021, 05:41:46 PM
To be honest, this is a much much better solution in all ways, regardless of what happens at the end.
The club's had a blinder here I reckon
:plus one:
apparently in fot Malang Sarr
Quote from: finknottle on August 31, 2021, 05:51:01 PM
Quote from: Caedal on August 31, 2021, 05:37:39 PM
As I said in the other thread, no mention of an option to buy. I'm assuming it's a good loan fee plus them paying his wages for a season.
Napoli have confirmed that they have an option to purchase... https://www.sscnapoli.it/static/news/Anguissa-joins-Napoli-on-loan-23332.aspx
Fee is rumoured to be £15m
Would rather it was an obligation to buy not an option but at least we save his high wages and we may possibly get to recoup £15m of his fee. Good luck to him, shame it hasn't worked out at Fulham. We move on.
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 31, 2021, 06:12:46 PM
apparently in fot Malang Sarr
Hmm, interesting. Hope that doesn't mean that Tosin is on the move ?
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 31, 2021, 06:12:46 PM
apparently in fot Malang Sarr
Solid player. Unfortunately it seems he will be joining a Greuther Furth on loan.
we would have stipulated that anguissa would have to sign an extension if he wanted this move to protect his value if Napoli don't buy; in this instance, now he has two years left after his loan move, and not one which would depress any possible transfer fee we could get. In this case, his value to us as a salable asset is maintained. clever move.
https://twitter.com/robmaida/status/1432751395682365451
Quote from: LRCN on August 31, 2021, 06:18:04 PM
we would have stipulated that anguissa would have to sign an extension if he wanted this move to protect his value if Napoli don't buy; in this instance, now he has two years left after his loan move, and not one which would depress any possible transfer fee we could get. In this case, his value to us as a salable asset is maintained. clever move.
Absolutely and we amortise another year of his fee reducing our FFP liability.
Quote from: Tabby on August 31, 2021, 05:52:32 PM
But the wording is very specific, extended contract, not new contract. Compare it to the Mitro one where it is a new contract. When I've been looking at different sites I've seen that they're reporting that we had a one year extension option.
Indeed. But for the Club to take up the extension now suggests to me we are 'on the wire' with FFP and need the extra £1.67M to help to fund today's business.
Quote from: Whitestone on August 31, 2021, 06:17:36 PM
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 31, 2021, 06:12:46 PM
apparently in fot Malang Sarr
Hmm, interesting. Hope that doesn't mean that Tosin is on the move ?
Me too but he is more than capable
Quote from: Tabby on August 31, 2021, 05:52:32 PM
Quote from: Statto on August 31, 2021, 05:44:39 PM
Quote from: Tabby on August 31, 2021, 05:41:41 PM
The contract extension is just the clause that was already in I assume, not a new contract.
Never mentioned an option in the announcement when we signed him
And normally they do, if there is one
But the wording is very specific, extended contract, not new contract. Compare it to the Mitro one where it is a new contract. When I've been looking at different sites I've seen that they're reporting that we had a one year extension option.
Anyway, according to Napoli there is an option to buy in there.
"La SSC Napoli comunica di aver acquisito dal Fulham FC le prestazioni sportive di Andre Frank Zambo Anguissa con la formula del prestito con diritto di riscatto"
Which through a google translate becomes:
"SSC Napoli announces that it has acquired Andre Frank Zambo Anguissa's sports performances from Fulham FC with the formula of the loan with the right of redemption"
Not sure any of that implies we had an option to extend, just that he's agreed to extend on the same terms, whereas Mitro probably got the usual pay rise we have to give him so he doesn't leave
Quote from: Jim© on August 31, 2021, 04:58:24 PM
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on August 31, 2021, 04:54:03 PM
Kraft played 8 times for Sweden this year so can't be that bad. And if he is bad for Newcastle in the PL he may be better in the Championship
I don't think he's a bad player at all, but he's not at all similar to Kenny. He's not particularly quick and doesn't seem to get forward to cross the ball much (4 assists in 4 years). He is more like a CB playing out wide than the other way around IMO.
And Odoi does all that perfectly well so not an upgrade.
Would love us to go after Maitland Niles, could do a job at RB whilst Tete is out and compete for a place in CM too
I don't think anything will happen now, it's far to late to get anything across the line unless it's a loan
Quote from: Friendsoffulham on August 31, 2021, 06:20:24 PM
https://twitter.com/robmaida/status/1432751395682365451
? Great news eh?
Quote from: Twig on August 31, 2021, 06:51:22 PM
Quote from: Jim© on August 31, 2021, 04:58:24 PM
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on August 31, 2021, 04:54:03 PM
Kraft played 8 times for Sweden this year so can't be that bad. And if he is bad for Newcastle in the PL he may be better in the Championship
I don't think he's a bad player at all, but he's not at all similar to Kenny. He's not particularly quick and doesn't seem to get forward to cross the ball much (4 assists in 4 years). He is more like a CB playing out wide than the other way around IMO.
And Odoi does all that perfectly well so not an upgrade.
Agreed. Odoi is actually better both defensively but even more so in possession in my opinion (with the caveat that I have of course not seen them in quite the same environments). I have seen Krafth quite a lot, and to me he doesn't strike me as anyone fitting in at all with the way we play. Might as well just go with Odoi and Sessegnon as extra backup. Very disappointed with these rumours, but as always in such situations I hope I am wrong should we acquire him.
We will sign a CM and a RB before 11. My guess is Grimes and that bloke from Villa.
Quote from: tonywildman on August 31, 2021, 06:58:16 PM
I don't think anything will happen now, it's far to late to get anything across the line unless it's a loan
But almost every window for several years we have concluded business later than this, haven't we?
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on August 31, 2021, 03:52:30 PM
https://twitter.com/sportspeteo/status/1432717715467378688
Really hope not. Never been interested in these players who CAN play CB and CAN play RB but not fully suited to either position.
Quote from: Caedal on August 31, 2021, 07:09:25 PM
We will sign a CM and a RB before 11. My guess is Grimes and that bloke from Villa.
Think the Villa player is going to France, if we are talking about the RB.
Guilbert the right back of villa gone to Strasbourg
too bad, I would've liked Guilbert.
Quote from: General on August 31, 2021, 05:39:40 PM
Quote from: NJFulham on August 31, 2021, 05:34:37 PM
Quote from: rusty shackleford on August 31, 2021, 05:33:52 PM
Zambo extended his contract before leaving. Wtf
FFP. Same reason Mitro did.
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That logic doesn't stand up at all, especially when you include Mitro in the argument who has clearly stated he's very happy here (even with us yo-yoing around). Sure it may be the case with Frank, or Frank may be on a great deal with us and may struggle to get better anywhere else - Or frank is actually a good guy, who does like being at the club and with our squad and wants to play for us in a successful team. Likely to be one of those three options.
It makes perfect sense. Mitro's happy to extend because it's guaranteed money and no skin off his nose if we want to re-feinance his transfer on our balance sheets.
Anguissa is less happy at Fulham but apparently happy enough to stick around another year and collect £3m.
In all those two fiddles have created £3m on the FFP accounts for this year, for whatever purpose. We could actually engage in all sorts of shenanigans with the contracts of Seri, Mawson, Cav, Knockaert, and BDR if we really wanted to.
Actually, I can't find any confirmation that he's gone to Strarbourg, just rumours
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on August 31, 2021, 07:28:35 PM
Actually, I can't find any confirmation that he's gone to Strarbourg, just rumours
BBC Sport Football page.
If West Sussex White ain't confirming it today, then I'm not interested 👍🤣😉⚽️⚽️⚽️
Quote from: Dougie on August 31, 2021, 07:22:28 PM
Quote from: General on August 31, 2021, 05:39:40 PM
Quote from: NJFulham on August 31, 2021, 05:34:37 PM
Quote from: rusty shackleford on August 31, 2021, 05:33:52 PM
Zambo extended his contract before leaving. Wtf
FFP. Same reason Mitro did.
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That logic doesn't stand up at all, especially when you include Mitro in the argument who has clearly stated he's very happy here (even with us yo-yoing around). Sure it may be the case with Frank, or Frank may be on a great deal with us and may struggle to get better anywhere else - Or frank is actually a good guy, who does like being at the club and with our squad and wants to play for us in a successful team. Likely to be one of those three options.
It makes perfect sense. Mitro's happy to extend because it's guaranteed money and no skin off his nose if we want to re-feinance his transfer on our balance sheets.
Anguissa is less happy at Fulham but apparently happy enough to stick around another year and collect £3m.
In all those two fiddles have created £3m on the FFP accounts for this year, for whatever purpose. We could actually engage in all sorts of shenanigans with the contracts of Seri, Mawson, Cav, Knockaert, and BDR if we really wanted to.
Don't think these interpretations are mutually exclusive. Yes these extensions spread the amortisation and maintain our bargaining strength on a sale a year from now. But they also put us on the hook for the player's wages for an additional year. So I don't think we'd extend unless we also thought the player could end up being a useful player for us next season, in the event that we don't sell them.
Chalobah to #FFC now developing, talks on.
Quote from: MickeyAdamsFamily on August 31, 2021, 07:28:35 PM
Actually, I can't find any confirmation that he's gone to Strarbourg, just rumours
On the sky sports bottom of page ticker
https://twitter.com/peterrutzler/status/1432775884629479432
Quina also from Watford on loan too is a rumour
Quina is an attacking midfielder isn't he?
https://twitter.com/peterrutzler/status/1432778745492934663?s=21
3 hours to go for me in Spain. Might have a cat nap for a couple of hours.
Quote from: rusty shackleford on August 31, 2021, 07:52:39 PM
Quina also from Watford on loan too is a rumour
I've been patiently waiting to see who could be the late window add ala Reed and Tosin. Club have done well with those end of contract, dissatisfied English based players late on in the past few summers.
20:27
BREAKING NEWS
Fulham are in talks to sign Nathaniel Chalobah from Watford.
Deal described as 50-50 at this stage and not clear yet whether loan or permanent.
If we sign Quina from Watford it worries me that we may never see Cairney in a Fulham shirt again 😢
Quote from: Cookie6262 on August 31, 2021, 08:28:25 PM
If we sign Quina from Watford it worries me that we may never see Cairney in a Fulham shirt again 😢
He always had to be replaced eventually & I think it's sensible to look at life beyond TC at this point because we can't rely on him if he's going to be available for 5 games a year, as good as he is when fit
Quote from: Cookie6262 on August 31, 2021, 08:28:25 PM
If we sign Quina from Watford it worries me that we may never see Cairney in a Fulham shirt again 😢
If we're bringing in both Chalobah and Quina (on a loan, no less), there's no way Cairney is remotely healthy.
From what Silva's been saying sounded like Cairney is a long long way off being available. This knee injury seems very serious and it hasn't been right for like 3 years
Quote from: Cookie6262 on August 31, 2021, 08:28:25 PM
If we sign Quina from Watford it worries me that we may never see Cairney in a Fulham shirt again 😢
Quinoa would be a healthy alternative
I think the Anguissa deal has f---ed everything up, FFP rules abide and FFC has under performed! Fortunately we just about have a strong enough squad to challenge for promotion again! COYW!! Please prove me wrong with some breaking news in the next 2 and 1/2 hours.
Quote from: davew on August 31, 2021, 08:33:16 PM
I think the Anguissa deal has f---ed everything up, FFP rules abide and FFC has under performed! Fortunately we just about have a strong enough squad to challenge for promotion again! COYW!! Please prove me wrong with some breaking news in the next 2 and 1/2 hours.
Good old Dave
Hasn't Silva already said that Cairney is getting closer?
I'm not sure why everybody seems to think he is over?
Quote from: 70sPimlico on August 31, 2021, 08:34:25 PM
Quote from: davew on August 31, 2021, 08:33:16 PM
I think the Anguissa deal has f---ed everything up, FFP rules abide and FFC has under performed! Fortunately we just about have a strong enough squad to challenge for promotion again! COYW!! Please prove me wrong with some breaking news in the next 2 and 1/2 hours.
Good old Dave
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Its absolutely relentless.
Quote from: Caedal on August 31, 2021, 08:31:46 PM
From what Silva's been saying sounded like Cairney is a long long way off being available. This knee injury seems very serious and it hasn't been right for like 3 years
DOnt forget he went to America a few years back to try and get it sorted
Surprised its so quiet on transfers out
Hope it pans out for him
20:44
ROBERTS LEAVES ON LOAN
Patrick Roberts is set to join Manchester City's sister club Troyes on a season-long loan.
The deal will take him up to the end of his current City contract and be his sixth loan since moving to the Etihad from Fulham.
I'm watching the transfer bollocks on SSN which mostly is absolute bollocks. Happy Transfer Deadline Day, anyone?
But they currently have the owner from Peterborough (Darragh MacAnthony) on, and he seems like a really decent, knowledgeable bloke.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 31, 2021, 08:52:00 PM
I'm watching the transfer bollocks on SSN which mostly is absolute bollocks. Happy Transfer Deadline Day, anyone?
But they currently have the owner from Peterborough (Darragh MacAnthony) on, and he seems like a really decent, knowledgeable bloke.
Same which is cool for me as I live in the States (Texas). We are able to watch the show on Peacock (NBC's streaming service).
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 31, 2021, 08:52:00 PM
I'm watching the transfer bollocks on SSN which mostly is absolute bollocks. Happy Transfer Deadline Day, anyone?
But they currently have the owner from Peterborough (Darragh MacAnthony) on, and he seems like a really decent, knowledgeable bloke.
Yeah but he loves the sound of his own voice
Patrick Roberts is set to join Manchester City's sister club Troyes on a season-long loan.
The deal will take him up to the end of his current City contract and be his sixth loan since moving to the Etihad from Fulham.
What a waste of a talent. So badly advised.
Quote from: emiddlebrook on August 31, 2021, 08:57:46 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on August 31, 2021, 08:52:00 PM
I'm watching the transfer bollocks on SSN which mostly is absolute bollocks. Happy Transfer Deadline Day, anyone?
But they currently have the owner from Peterborough (Darragh MacAnthony) on, and he seems like a really decent, knowledgeable bloke.
Same which is cool for me as I live in the States (Texas). We are able to watch the show on Peacock (NBC's streaming service).
💪 support in Tx
Quote from: grandad on August 31, 2021, 09:26:10 PM
Patrick Roberts is set to join Manchester City's sister club Troyes on a season-long loan.
The deal will take him up to the end of his current City contract and be his sixth loan since moving to the Etihad from Fulham.
What a waste of a talent. So badly advised.
I dont think he was big enough for adult football, that was the issue
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 31, 2021, 09:29:20 PM
Quote from: grandad on August 31, 2021, 09:26:10 PM
Patrick Roberts is set to join Manchester City's sister club Troyes on a season-long loan.
The deal will take him up to the end of his current City contract and be his sixth loan since moving to the Etihad from Fulham.
What a waste of a talent. So badly advised.
I dont think he was big enough for adult football, that was the issue
Carvalho is smaller.
From Twitter
Domingos Quina
@domingosquina1
·
1h
Tik tok.. Tik tok.. ⌛⌛
Bournemouth fans seem to think Quina is going there
Quote from: Jim© on August 31, 2021, 09:41:02 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 31, 2021, 09:29:20 PM
Quote from: grandad on August 31, 2021, 09:26:10 PM
Patrick Roberts is set to join Manchester City's sister club Troyes on a season-long loan.
The deal will take him up to the end of his current City contract and be his sixth loan since moving to the Etihad from Fulham.
What a waste of a talent. So badly advised.
I dont think he was big enough for adult football, that was the issue
Carvalho is smaller.
Patrick Roberts is 1.68m
Jean Michael Seri is 1.68m
N'Golo Kanté is 1.68m
Messi is 1.69m
Quote from: Texas White on August 31, 2021, 09:42:43 PM
From Twitter
Domingos Quina
@domingosquina1
·
1h
Tik tok.. Tik tok.. ⌛⌛
is he going to do a 30 second dance video then reveal where hes going
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 31, 2021, 09:29:20 PM
Quote from: grandad on August 31, 2021, 09:26:10 PM
Patrick Roberts is set to join Manchester City's sister club Troyes on a season-long loan.
The deal will take him up to the end of his current City contract and be his sixth loan since moving to the Etihad from Fulham.
What a waste of a talent. So badly advised.
I dont think he was big enough for adult football, that was the issue
Lol. But agree 100%
Silva will know them both from his time at Watford...
rutzler thinks all 3 of challah, quinoa and grimes are coming.
no right back.
seri off to Turkey? their window stays open tk next week
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 31, 2021, 10:20:30 PM
rutzler thinks all 3 of challah, quinoa and grimes are coming.
no right back.
seri off to Turkey? their window stays open tk next week
Thought he said he didn't think all 3 would happen
https://twitter.com/peterrutzler/status/1432814723653935105?s=21
Quote from: unionist_ffc on August 31, 2021, 10:20:30 PM
rutzler thinks all 3 of challah, quinoa and grimes are coming.
no right back.
seri off to Turkey? their window stays open tk next week
He clarified to say he doesn't expect it to be all three. https://twitter.com/peterrutzler/status/1432814723653935105
Has it ever been confirmed the extent of Tete injury?
ah thanks
missed his follow up
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 31, 2021, 09:45:28 PM
Quote from: Jim© on August 31, 2021, 09:41:02 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 31, 2021, 09:29:20 PM
Quote from: grandad on August 31, 2021, 09:26:10 PM
Patrick Roberts is set to join Manchester City's sister club Troyes on a season-long loan.
The deal will take him up to the end of his current City contract and be his sixth loan since moving to the Etihad from Fulham.
What a waste of a talent. So badly advised.
I dont think he was big good enough for adult football, that was the issue
Carvalho is smaller.
Patrick Roberts is 1.68m
Jean Michael Seri is 1.68m
N'Golo Kanté is 1.68m
Messi is 1.69m
22:29
CHALOBAH DEAL CLOSE
Fulham are closing in on a deal for Nathaniel Chalobah from Watford.
Talks about a permanent move are at an advanced stage but an initial loan has still not been completely ruled out.
Quote from: IloveFFC on August 31, 2021, 10:33:56 PM
22:29
CHALOBAH DEAL CLOSE
Fulham are closing in on a deal for Nathaniel Chalobah from Watford.
Talks about a permanent move are at an advanced stage but an initial loan has still not been completely ruled out.
Hope we get him - played 38 times in their promotion season last year
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on August 31, 2021, 10:38:27 PM
Quote from: IloveFFC on August 31, 2021, 10:33:56 PM
22:29
CHALOBAH DEAL CLOSE
Fulham are closing in on a deal for Nathaniel Chalobah from Watford.
Talks about a permanent move are at an advanced stage but an initial loan has still not been completely ruled out.
Hope we get him - played 38 times in their promotion season last year
If we get Chal alone good. Chal and Quina/Grimes great! Chal Quina, and Gimes - Amazing - but why? We don't need all three, our squad is amazing as is.
If we pull any of them through the line our squad is the Man City of the Championship without a doubt, especially if Seri stays
Think we need Quina as much as anything, don't want Fab having to be our sole attacking mid because it's a lot of pressure to put on an 18 year olds shoulders (I think he's up to it but it always helps to have depth)
Quina has only played 34 first team games in his career - so not at all proven - not fussed if we don't get him
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on August 31, 2021, 10:46:57 PM
Quina has only played 34 first team games in his career - so not at all proven - not fussed if we don't get him
You can apply this logic to literally any young player ever though, that's like saying we shouldn't play Fab because he's got less than 20 senior appearances
https://twitter.com/peterrutzler/status/1432823043911467019?s=21
Grimes isn't coming so looks like it'll be Chalobah now
Chalobah would be a great pickup IMO - would be more excited about getting him than Grimes even. Fingers crossed.
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 31, 2021, 10:53:33 PM
https://twitter.com/peterrutzler/status/1432823043911467019?s=21
Grimes isn't coming so looks like it'll be Chalobah now
Nice...that's who I wanted to replace Zambo...but with some trepidation.
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Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on August 31, 2021, 10:46:57 PM
Quina has only played 34 first team games in his career - so not at all proven - not fussed if we don't get him
Looks very impressive from what I've seen and Watford mates rate him
I'd really like this one personally
Ryan Gray the Watford observer journalist is saying the Chalobah and Quina deals are done
https://twitter.com/observerryan/status/1432830668933849090
Did we sign a right back or are we relying on Denis?
Quote from: Blawarmy on August 31, 2021, 11:41:24 PM
Did we sign a right back or are we relying on Denis?
Aurier is a free agent. Maybe he likes london enough to remaim there 🤷♂️
If we've got even one of these in, then we're utterly taking the piss.
UTF!
Quote from: Blawarmy on August 31, 2021, 11:41:24 PM
Did we sign a right back or are we relying on Denis?
Don't forget BDR can play there.
Quote from: Maidstone Lee on August 31, 2021, 11:29:43 PM
https://twitter.com/observerryan/status/1432830668933849090
More than happy with this - the envy of the championship. Grimes didn't want to come because he knew he'd be hard pressed to get into our match day squad!
Weve options on the 2 watford lads apparently
Watford local media says both deals are loans with options to buy. Quina's is 5m; Chalobah's is not known yet.
https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/19549668.domingos-quina-nathaniel-chalobah-leave-watford-fulham/
Quote from: Denver Fulham on August 31, 2021, 11:53:15 PM
Watford local media says both deals are loans with options to buy. Quina's is 5m; Chalobah's is not known yet.
https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/19549668.domingos-quina-nathaniel-chalobah-leave-watford-fulham/
Absolutely worth it, even if only for a season. Perform well enough and who knows!
Now just grab Aurier on a provisional short term contract until January and we're all set 🤣
https://twitter.com/peterrutzler/status/1432841357605888004
If one only one of these come in, then this is honestly one of the most outrageous squads ever assembled at this level.
I have no idea who has arranged it, but fair play to them.
Hoping Napoli are paying Anguissa's wages in full during his loan. What's he supposed to be on presently?
Chalobah reportedly on £35k per week, not sure about Quina.
Loan fees notwithstanding, we must have a net spend of at the very least £10m - guessing either our FFP situation was not as dicey as commonly assumed, or the club is rolling the dice on an immediate return.r
FFP considerations aside, from a personnel perspective if the Watford guys come in I'd say it's been a pretty successful window. Very happy with the majority of players brought in and keeping our key players here. Hats off to the club.
Seri could still end up goin to Turkey until next week too tho...
Quote from: rusty shackleford on September 01, 2021, 12:22:06 AM
Seri could still end up goin to Turkey until next week too tho...
no chance of that happen. He is a key player for Silva
https://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2021/august/Quina-Joins-On-Loan/
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Someone's had their first ever Bacardi Breezer this evening 🤣
Watford have confirmed Chalobah
So have we
This squad we have is ridiculous
Quote from: Caedal on September 01, 2021, 12:48:39 AM
This squad we have is ridiculous
It's honestly absurd. The Invincible Season, if it was to happen, happens with this lot.
I wonder what the "favourable terms" that Tony mentioned on the Chalobah deal are? Maybe deferred payments until next year or something
We have an insane plethora of riches in central midfield
Reed
Seri
Fab
Chalobah
Quina
Josh
And cairney in the wings potentially - wild
Francois also as back up
Some serious competition there hopefully we can send francois out on loan
What a squad- RB is definately our weak spot without Tete but we should have enough quality elsewhere to cope
Quote from: jayffc on September 01, 2021, 12:59:12 AM
We have an insane plethora of riches in central midfield
Reed
Seri
Fab
Chalobah
Quina
Josh
And cairney in the wings potentially - wild
Francois also as back up
Some serious competition there hopefully we can send francois out on loan
What a squad- RB is definately our weak spot without Tete but we should have enough quality elsewhere to cope
Didn't Silva say he wanted a right back as priority?
Quote from: Blawarmy on September 01, 2021, 01:09:11 AM
Quote from: jayffc on September 01, 2021, 12:59:12 AM
We have an insane plethora of riches in central midfield
Reed
Seri
Fab
Chalobah
Quina
Josh
And cairney in the wings potentially - wild
Francois also as back up
Some serious competition there hopefully we can send francois out on loan
What a squad- RB is definately our weak spot without Tete but we should have enough quality elsewhere to cope
Didn't Silva say he wanted a right back as priority?
He did.
Quote from: Blawarmy on September 01, 2021, 01:09:11 AM
Didn't Silva say he wanted a right back as priority?
Silva has also said his interest is in players who will make us a stronger outfit. If a right back with the qualities our manager wanted couldn't be persuaded to join us, it's plausible Silva declined to bring in an inferior player for the sake of it. If Dennis were to be unavailable, Harrison Reed may be his deputy. I believe he turned out at right-back when on loan at Norwich.
Quote from: Arthur on September 01, 2021, 01:31:48 AM
Quote from: Blawarmy on September 01, 2021, 01:09:11 AM
Didn't Silva say he wanted a right back as priority?
Silva has also said his interest is in players who will make us a stronger outfit. If a right back with the qualities our manager wanted couldn't be persuaded to join us, it's plausible Silva declined to bring in an inferior player for the sake of it. If Dennis were to be unavailable, Harrison Reed may be his deputy. I believe he turned out at right-back when on loan at Norwich.
We might get through a few different right backs with all the cloggers and crap refs in this division.
Are/ were Chalobah, Quina and even Hughes (palace) surplus to requirements at Watford? Or have they jumped ship? I'm very happy with them either way I'm just interested after reading the post from the upset Watford fan.
What a remarkable transfer window. Sure some people are worried about RB, but the loan market is still open for a week I believe, and that's all we need until Tete is back, and even then, we have enough quality in the squad to cope.
We've kept basically everyone we needed to, plus added some real quality on sensible terms. Surely this is the best squad ever assembled at this level? Silva looks an incredible appointment aswell, being able to completely change everything about the club in such a short space of time, and reintegrate and re-energise discarded players.
I haven't felt this positive about the club for a very long time. Just a tremendous job by everyone
Quote from: JEEVES on September 01, 2021, 05:38:13 AM
Are/ were Chalobah, Quina and even Hughes (palace) surplus to requirements at Watford? Or have they jumped ship? I'm very happy with them either way I'm just interested after reading the post from the upset Watford fan.
Chalobah, Hughes and Quina all refused to sign new contracts.
Hughes wouldn't sign one because he didn't want a relegation wage cut clause in his contract, Quina wanted assurances over gametime and Chalobah just didn't want to sign one. Chalobah actually took a pay cut to join us
Quote from: Blawarmy on September 01, 2021, 01:09:11 AM
Quote from: jayffc on September 01, 2021, 12:59:12 AM
We have an insane plethora of riches in central midfield
Reed
Seri
Fab
Chalobah
Quina
Josh
And cairney in the wings potentially - wild
Francois also as back up
Some serious competition there hopefully we can send francois out on loan
What a squad- RB is definately our weak spot without Tete but we should have enough quality elsewhere to cope
Didn't Silva say he wanted a right back as priority?
I thought he said Tete's injury may change our transfer plans not tha it was a priority. Unless he made another statement after the initial one
Good window, well done 👍.
Not too worried about RB / RWB, we got Denis and BDR can also fill in there, we have Sess still on the books.
Quote from: brightster on September 01, 2021, 07:50:09 AM
Good window, well done 👍.
Not too worried about RB / RWB, we got Denis and BDR can also fill in there, we have Sess still on the books.
Christie is also on the books. So is Fossey. Could Fossey get a look in?
Quote from: Caedal on September 01, 2021, 06:49:36 AM
What a remarkable transfer window. Sure some people are worried about RB, but the loan market is still open for a week I believe, and that's all we need until Tete is back, and even then, we have enough quality in the squad to cope.
We've kept basically everyone we needed to, plus added some real quality on sensible terms. Surely this is the best squad ever assembled at this level? Silva looks an incredible appointment aswell, being able to completely change everything about the club in such a short space of time, and reintegrate and re-energise discarded players.
I haven't felt this positive about the club for a very long time. Just a tremendous job by everyone
I thought they stopped that a couple of seasons back, i thought now it was only emergency goalkeeper loans, hopefully i have got that wrong as getting some cover would be good if Sess and Christie are not in the plans (although we still have Fossey and Odoi). I thought Odoi did ok at the weekend
The only danger fo Denis is getting sent off, 064.gif, rarely picks up an injury.
I have a sneaky feeling that Seri may still leave.
I believe the window closes later in Turkey and while Mr Seri has got his head down and played well I wonder if he was always going to help balance the books?
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on September 01, 2021, 08:08:12 AM
I have a sneaky feeling that Seri may still leave.
I believe the window closes later in Turkey and while Mr Seri has got his head down and played well I wonder if he was always going to help balance the books?
I don't see that happening. He looks to be enjoying his football and has the trust of the manager. Chalobah is presumably a replacement for Anguissa, and Quino adds depth to our attacking options centrally and out wide. Although I will be intrigued to see our starting midfield in our next game with these new additions and Reed fit. I suspect Onomah may drop out for Chalobah.
Chalobah and Quina are good pick ups. Our squad looks stupidly strong at this level.
I'm not too worried about the RB situation. Odoi, Sessegnon and Christie are still on the books, plus BDR and Reed can also play there if needed.
Peter Rutzler said Seri was staying yesterday; plus his body language on the pitch is clearly that of a man who is happy here (has constantly been clapping the fans when he goes to take corners, tapping the badge/his heart when celebrating wins at the end of matches) - to me he seems like he's in a very good place mentally with a manager who's sat down with him, gets him as a players and explained his plans for how he sees he fits in.
My gut feeling is he'll stay unless a big team come in with a good offer - his stock has risen again within the club so I can't see us offloading him for the sake of it anymore.
As for RB, more than happy with Odoi and Sess as 2nd/3rd choice at this level (not to mention Christie/Fossey) - not our strongest position but that speaks more of the plethora of talent we talent we have across the squad, rather than RB being "weak". Almost every other Champ team would kill for our options there.
We are in rude health in every position - barring injury disaster (and would have to be a huge spate of them) we simply have to go up given the depth of talent at our disposal.
Have we potentially built a team now that if promoted could survive in the PL without any major overhaul? A team that could work towards PL survival from day one of pre-season?
Quote from: WOTM on September 01, 2021, 08:24:02 AM
Have we potentially built a team now that if promoted could survive in the PL without any major overhaul? A team that could work towards PL survival from day one of pre-season?
No we will still need 3-4 quality additions.
Happy with who we've signed - if anything I'd say we've retained too many players!
Our biggest danger could be keeping such a large squad happy. Real first world problems that though!
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on September 01, 2021, 08:08:12 AM
I have a sneaky feeling that Seri may still leave.
I believe the window closes later in Turkey and while Mr Seri has got his head down and played well I wonder if he was always going to help balance the books?
Unless he throws his toys out the pram, I don't see it happening.
Quote from: Caedal on September 01, 2021, 06:49:36 AM
What a remarkable transfer window. Sure some people are worried about RB, but the loan market is still open for a week I believe, and that's all we need until Tete is back, and even then, we have enough quality in the squad to cope.
We've kept basically everyone we needed to, plus added some real quality on sensible terms. Surely this is the best squad ever assembled at this level? Silva looks an incredible appointment aswell, being able to completely change everything about the club in such a short space of time, and reintegrate and re-energise discarded players.
I haven't felt this positive about the club for a very long time. Just a tremendous job by everyone
The class of 2000/2001 under Tigana was a better team. Coleman, Finnan, Brevett, Davis, Clark, John Collins, Boa Morte, Hayles, Saha....wow what a team that was! But yes maybe this current squad has more depth.
Quote from: bencher on September 01, 2021, 08:17:43 AM
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on September 01, 2021, 08:08:12 AM
I have a sneaky feeling that Seri may still leave.
I believe the window closes later in Turkey and while Mr Seri has got his head down and played well I wonder if he was always going to help balance the books?
I don't see that happening. He looks to be enjoying his football and has the trust of the manager. Chalobah is presumably a replacement for Anguissa, and Quino adds depth to our attacking options centrally and out wide. Although I will be intrigued to see our starting midfield in our next game with these new additions and Reed fit. I suspect Onomah may drop out for Chalobah.
I do agree but I guess it would be very Fulhamish for him to go just as we are seeing his true value.
He is like a new player for us, hope he stays.
As for RB I think its an area we can cope with while Tete is injured and wasn't a priority to recruit
The Club must be congratulated on one of the most positive Transfer Windows in recent years. Our strength in depth is awesome. Competition for places will be fierce.
Does anyone know if the loan window is closed now? or if that deadline is later
Also, can we still sell and/or loan players to countries (Turkey etc.) where the window is closing later?
One of the most important issues is the fact that we did not transfer out any key players on the last day.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 01, 2021, 09:28:52 AM
One of the most important issues is the fact that we did not transfer out any key players on the last day.
Agree.
Imagine if Carvalho signs a new contract and Muniz is actually the next Richarlison 😳 😂😂
Quote from: WOTM on September 01, 2021, 09:41:23 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 01, 2021, 09:28:52 AM
One of the most important issues is the fact that we did not transfer out any key players on the last day.
Agree.
Totally. But there are one or two whom one assumes they would have wanted to move on who haven't.
Quote from: bencher on September 01, 2021, 08:04:31 AM
Quote from: brightster on September 01, 2021, 07:50:09 AM
Good window, well done 👍.
Not too worried about RB / RWB, we got Denis and BDR can also fill in there, we have Sess still on the books.
Christie is also on the books. So is Fossey. Could Fossey get a look in?
I didn't mention those two as I think Silva has already said not part of his plans, think they can still be loaned out as that window hasn't shut yet. But if he can use either of them that's a bonus.
Quote from: brightster on September 01, 2021, 09:46:11 AM
Quote from: bencher on September 01, 2021, 08:04:31 AM
Quote from: brightster on September 01, 2021, 07:50:09 AM
Good window, well done 👍.
Not too worried about RB / RWB, we got Denis and BDR can also fill in there, we have Sess still on the books.
Christie is also on the books. So is Fossey. Could Fossey get a look in?
I didn't mention those two as I think Silva has already said not part of his plans, think they can still be loaned out as that window hasn't shut yet. But if he can use either of them that's a bonus.
I see that Fossey signed a new 2 year contract in June. He turns 23 in November. This is his best chance to get a crack at the first team. I haven't seen much of him but I know some on this board rate him highly.
Quote from: We Are Premier League on September 01, 2021, 09:26:41 AM
Does anyone know if the loan window is closed now? or if that deadline is later
Also, can we still sell and/or loan players to countries (Turkey etc.) where the window is closing later?
I didn't think the loan window was open after the transfer window closed anymore, with the exception of emergency keeper loans.
Yes any country with a window still open can approach a club for their player
Quote from: bencher on September 01, 2021, 09:54:54 AM
Quote from: brightster on September 01, 2021, 09:46:11 AM
Quote from: bencher on September 01, 2021, 08:04:31 AM
Quote from: brightster on September 01, 2021, 07:50:09 AM
Good window, well done 👍.
Not too worried about RB / RWB, we got Denis and BDR can also fill in there, we have Sess still on the books.
Christie is also on the books. So is Fossey. Could Fossey get a look in?
I didn't mention those two as I think Silva has already said not part of his plans, think they can still be loaned out as that window hasn't shut yet. But if he can use either of them that's a bonus.
I see that Fossey signed a new 2 year contract in June. He turns 23 in November. This is his best chance to get a crack at the first team. I haven't seen much of him but I know some on this board rate him highly.
Agree with you, best chance is to prove himself to the new boss, I have seen Fossey a couple of times but only pre season friendlies, he looks good on the ball, fast and good passer, my only worry with him is that he is a bit injury prone.
As for Christie just do not think he is happy at Fulham, never felt he has settled, am sure the Barnsley incident didn't help.
I believe it used to be that the loan window closed on deadline day for Premier league teams, but that the lower leagues had an extra week to have loans (presumably to allow Prem teams to offload excess players after their transfers are complete). I'm not sure if that's true this year, but I would think we'll be trying to loan out a few players if so.
Also, Fossey was an outstanding player at youth level, and looked to have a great career ahead of him, but his trajectory was interrupted by lengthy and problematic injuries. Allegedly they're a behind him now, but he hasn't appeared to have reached a level that his potential hinted at years ago. He and Steve Sess chould get an opportunity now to show their worth
Looking forward hopefully to next season would you worry the Two Watford boys were considered surplus to requirements in the premier league by their present club.
It seems loans are no longer allowed outside of the transfer window. In that case we seem to be "stuck" with a fair few players who won't be getting near the first team squad but will still be on the wage bill.
Probably the only disappointment of the window.
That and Cav not signing, but hopefully he will do that soon.
Quote from: AJW48361 on September 01, 2021, 10:15:42 AM
Looking forward hopefully to next season would you worry the Two Watford boys were considered surplus to requirements in the premier league by their present club.
Watford wanted to keep them but they didn't want to stay.
Quote from: AJW48361 on September 01, 2021, 10:15:42 AM
Looking forward hopefully to next season would you worry the Two Watford boys were considered surplus to requirements in the premier league by their present club.
Chalobah turned down a 5 year deal this summer at watford and Quina turned down a new deal too. Will Highes did the same
Fossey was stand out good at u 18 level, particularly when on the ball. He needed to work a bit on his off the ball game. At the u 18 level I would have taken Fossey over S Sess, Spence and Drameh and to me he looked just as first team ready as R Sess did when he got the initial first team call. Poor bloke has however been plagued by injuries ever since and has lost the best part of 4 years to injury- suspect he hasn't played more than 20 games in that period. Is that something that you can get over? What is encouraging is that a Villa fan commenting on Twitter on the u 23 game on Friday was hugely complementary and thought he was the stand out player on the pitch.
Is that the reason they wasn't starting matches.I read that they were told they will get insufficient playing time.
Odd from yesterday, Maja failed his medical at Forest.
I thought the same about Fossey's play in U18.
Part of the reason that Cody Drameh and Djed Spence wanted to move elsewhere was that Fossey was clearly ahead of them at Fulham.
I hadn't seen that report on the U23's game w/Villa, but hopefully if he's recovered his form & fitness, he'll be able to step up and grab this opportunity.
Quote from: bobby01 on September 01, 2021, 10:48:26 AM
Odd from yesterday, Maja failed his medical at Forest.
Long thing on Sky yesterday about medicals, the bloke being interviewed said you don't really fail a medical, they just point out concerns and the club decides what to do. All the results depend on age, where they are in their career, ongoing prospects and resale value if for example they show wear in knees etc
Quote from: snarks on September 01, 2021, 11:06:03 AM
Quote from: bobby01 on September 01, 2021, 10:48:26 AM
Odd from yesterday, Maja failed his medical at Forest.
Long thing on Sky yesterday about medicals, the bloke being interviewed said you don't really fail a medical, they just point out concerns and the club decides what to do. All the results depend on age, where they are in their career, ongoing prospects and resale value if for example they show wear in knees etc
I think this is fairly obvious when you think about it. It's not like a driving test. It's more like when you buy a house. Your solicitor (speaking as one) and surveyor reports on all the potential problems and you make a decision whether to accept them and proceed or not. The only question is who makes the final decision within the club whether to proceed.
Regarding Fossey haven't watch him recently but he look potentially very good a few seasons ago but to me came across lacking a bit physically.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 01, 2021, 09:28:52 AM
One of the most important issues is the fact that we did not transfer out any key players on the last day.
Agree - I was watching sky all through yesterday worried sick we would lose any of our players, especially Tosin and Carvalho
Well done Fulham
Quote from: The Cravenette on September 01, 2021, 10:19:57 AM
It seems loans are no longer allowed outside of the transfer window. In that case we seem to be "stuck" with a fair few players who won't be getting near the first team squad but will still be on the wage bill.
Probably the only disappointment of the window.
That and Cav not signing, but hopefully he will do that soon.
Presumably clubs can still sign free agents? In which case I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of players are released with a bit of a golden handshake, and then they are allowed to move on.
Quote from: itombomb on September 01, 2021, 12:37:27 PM
Quote from: The Cravenette on September 01, 2021, 10:19:57 AM
It seems loans are no longer allowed outside of the transfer window. In that case we seem to be "stuck" with a fair few players who won't be getting near the first team squad but will still be on the wage bill.
Probably the only disappointment of the window.
That and Cav not signing, but hopefully he will do that soon.
Presumably clubs can still sign free agents? In which case I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of players are released with a bit of a golden handshake, and then they are allowed to move on.
A player cannot sign for a club if he is released after a transfer window has closed. He has to have been released before that
Quote from: bencher on September 01, 2021, 11:11:06 AM
Quote from: snarks on September 01, 2021, 11:06:03 AM
Quote from: bobby01 on September 01, 2021, 10:48:26 AM
Odd from yesterday, Maja failed his medical at Forest.
Long thing on Sky yesterday about medicals, the bloke being interviewed said you don't really fail a medical, they just point out concerns and the club decides what to do. All the results depend on age, where they are in their career, ongoing prospects and resale value if for example they show wear in knees etc
I think this is fairly obvious when you think about it. It's not like a driving test. It's more like when you buy a house. Your solicitor (speaking as one) and surveyor reports on all the potential problems and you make a decision whether to accept them and proceed or not. The only question is who makes the final decision within the club whether to proceed.
Ty snarks never considered that, so obviously not obvious to me bencher.
I think that one of the best bits of business through the transfer window was keeping Tosin. Will be essential in our push for promotion.
https://twitter.com/tombogert/status/1433077085569011715?s=21
This makes me sad because I called him out as a potential option a few years ago, he's essentially an American Ryan Fredericks
Quote from: Deeping_white on September 01, 2021, 03:54:12 PM
https://twitter.com/tombogert/status/1433077085569011715?s=21
This makes me sad because I called him out as a potential option a few years ago, he's essentially an American Ryan Fredericks
We can get him in Jan if right back is a problem position. Hopefully with BDR, Odoi etc we should be ok.
Quote from: F(f)CUK on September 01, 2021, 03:28:15 PM
I think that one of the best bits of business through the transfer window was keeping Tosin. Will be essential in our push for promotion.
100% agree.
Actually, for me, it was keeping Tete and Robinson. It can't be stressed enough how important the speed and work rate is out wide in this division. Tosin was obviously important, but those guys our wide are the biggest piece of the puzzle for a top 2 finish. Fingers crossed.
Convincing and rejuvenating Seri and Mitro. Fantastic business
Absolutely agree the best thing about this transfer window is about the players we retained. Well done TK and MS
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 01, 2021, 04:43:55 PM
Actually, for me, it was keeping Tete and Robinson. It can't be stressed enough how important the speed and work rate is out wide in this division. Tosin was obviously important, but those guys our wide are the biggest piece of the puzzle for a top 2 finish. Fingers crossed.
It's pretty crazy that Tete's in this division with us. He's easily a PL starter. Made a bunch of appearances for Lyon and has 14 caps for the Netherlands. He's just a very, very good player and I'm glad we have him.
Robinson isn't that caliber of player (yet, anyway), but his speed with BDR on the left flank has been absolutely murdering teams in this division. Given his crossing and decision-making look improved, that's an incredible asset in this league. Combine that with interplay with Mitro, Fab and even Wilson when he drifts over (like the first goal vs Stoke), and it's hard to see many teams in this league being able to cope with our play on the left.
Seri, Tosin, Robinson, Reed, Carvalho and Mitro must all have been an a wish list for some club. The fact that they are all still with us is more important than any new signing.
https://twitter.com/rgonzalezcbs/status/1433111070705700866?s=21
Quote from: Deeping_white on September 01, 2021, 07:02:23 PM
https://twitter.com/rgonzalezcbs/status/1433111070705700866?s=21
Who the heck is this?
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on September 01, 2021, 07:25:40 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on September 01, 2021, 07:02:23 PM
https://twitter.com/rgonzalezcbs/status/1433111070705700866?s=21
Who the heck is this?
He's a right back who plays for the US National team - basically a younger Ryan Fredericks is the most accurate description
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on September 01, 2021, 07:25:40 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on September 01, 2021, 07:02:23 PM
https://twitter.com/rgonzalezcbs/status/1433111070705700866?s=21
Who the heck is this?
US international, plays in Portugal for Boavista. Would have been our replacement RB.
Let's get him in January and really upset the rest of the division and secondtier podcast 😂
Wow. That's really a shame on Cannon. I mentioned last year on some thread on here that I think he's better than Robinson. He's quite good.
is Aurier still available on a free? Surely we can persuade him to stay in London for 4 months?
Quote from: Denver Fulham on September 01, 2021, 08:21:59 PM
Wow. That's really a shame on Cannon. I mentioned last year on some thread on here that I think he's better than Robinson. He's quite good.
No doubt. Would have been a very solid pick up at the Championship level with the potential to develop into a top flight RB.
That would've been 3 yanks in the back 4 surely a record.
Quote from: Denver Fulham on September 01, 2021, 05:25:18 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 01, 2021, 04:43:55 PM
Actually, for me, it was keeping Tete and Robinson. It can't be stressed enough how important the speed and work rate is out wide in this division. Tosin was obviously important, but those guys our wide are the biggest piece of the puzzle for a top 2 finish. Fingers crossed.
It's pretty crazy that Tete's in this division with us. He's easily a PL starter. Made a bunch of appearances for Lyon and has 14 caps for the Netherlands. He's just a very, very good player and I'm glad we have him.
Robinson isn't that caliber of player (yet, anyway), but his speed with BDR on the left flank has been absolutely murdering teams in this division. Given his crossing and decision-making look improved, that's an incredible asset in this league. Combine that with interplay with Mitro, Fab and even Wilson when he drifts over (like the first goal vs Stoke), and it's hard to see many teams in this league being able to cope with our play on the left.
I think his injury 'helped' us as well! It seemed like there were quiet a few teams in the PL looking for a RB, so without the injury there would have been a few bids to test us
Quote from: Twig on September 01, 2021, 07:39:59 PM
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on September 01, 2021, 07:25:40 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on September 01, 2021, 07:02:23 PM
https://twitter.com/rgonzalezcbs/status/1433111070705700866?s=21
Who the heck is this?
US international, plays in Portugal for Boavista. Would have been our replacement RB.
As an American, I didn't even know him lol. I'm ashamed.
Sounds like a 1950s Cockney celebrity. Live on stage tonight, Tommy Trinder and Reggie Cannon...
Quote from: Caedal on September 01, 2021, 08:33:26 PM
is Aurier still available on a free? Surely we can persuade him to stay in London for 4 months?
That would be a outrageous bit of business but can't see it happening personally
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Quote from: Caedal on September 01, 2021, 08:33:26 PM
is Aurier still available on a free? Surely we can persuade him to stay in London for 4 months?
No chance, was on 120k a week at Spurs, doubt he'll drop that by 2/3 to even get close to what we can pay him
According to Pete Rutzler of the Athletic - Chalobah was a free transfer and Quina is a loan with no fee + an option to buy and we're just covering his wages
Quote from: Statto on September 01, 2021, 11:02:01 PM
Sounds like a 1950s Cockney celebrity. Live on stage tonight, Tommy Trinder and Reggie Cannon...
Or Cannon and Ball...
Quote from: Deeping_white on September 02, 2021, 09:00:57 AM
According to Pete Rutzler of the Athletic - Chalobah was a free transfer and Quina is a loan with no fee + an option to buy and we're just covering his wages
Odd because even our official announcement mentioned an "undisclosed fee" for Chalobah
Quote from: Deeping_white on September 02, 2021, 09:00:57 AM
According to Pete Rutzler of the Athletic - Chalobah was a free transfer and Quina is a loan with no fee + an option to buy and we're just covering his wages
I'm not doubting the info, but I am puzzled by it a bit. Apparently Chalobah had refused to sign a new contract and was training with under23s. Now it is said he was a free transfer. What on earth went wrong there? Quina clearly needs game time so that part is a bit more logical.
Quote from: Statto on September 02, 2021, 09:14:04 AM
Quote from: Deeping_white on September 02, 2021, 09:00:57 AM
According to Pete Rutzler of the Athletic - Chalobah was a free transfer and Quina is a loan with no fee + an option to buy and we're just covering his wages
Odd because even our official announcement mentioned an "undisclosed fee" for Chalobah
Maybe we sent round a few kits in less garish colours.
Quote from: Statto on September 02, 2021, 09:14:04 AM
Quote from: Deeping_white on September 02, 2021, 09:00:57 AM
According to Pete Rutzler of the Athletic - Chalobah was a free transfer and Quina is a loan with no fee + an option to buy and we're just covering his wages
Odd because even our official announcement mentioned an "undisclosed fee" for Chalobah
We seem to be incredibly secretive when it comes to announcing the values that we bought/sold players for and I'm guessing it's just so that clubs don't know how much money we do/don't have? We did it for MLM too and that was later confirmed to be a free transfer so it wouldn't surprise me if it actually was a freebie and we covered it up. Either way if it is then that's great business to get a player of his quality for nothing
Quote from: Classic94 on September 01, 2021, 08:18:52 AM
Chalobah and Quina are good pick ups. Our squad looks stupidly strong at this level.
I'm not too worried about the RB situation. Odoi, Sessegnon and Christie are still on the books, plus BDR and Reed can also play there if needed.
Make no bones about it as mangled Jamie often says on commentary opposition managers will attack down their left side all season until we get Tete back up to speed.
The ever improving Robinson is just too strong and quick on the other flank.
Quote from: Fernhurst on September 02, 2021, 12:01:41 PM
Quote from: Classic94 on September 01, 2021, 08:18:52 AM
Chalobah and Quina are good pick ups. Our squad looks stupidly strong at this level.
I'm not too worried about the RB situation. Odoi, Sessegnon and Christie are still on the books, plus BDR and Reed can also play there if needed.
Make no bones about it as mangled Jamie often says on commentary opposition managers will attack down their left side all season until we get Tete back up to speed.
The ever improving Robinson is just too strong and quick on the other flank.
I think that should be "make no doubt about it", as he always says.
But I agree, we will be targeted on that side relentlessly. Tosin and whoever is playing in the defensive midfield role will have a job to do to support the incumbent RB.
I think you're all over-egging the RB situation as if we're playing Doris the Motspur Park tea-lady there.
I'd guess that our "cover" for that position would be on a par with first teamers for any other side.
If i was an opposition manager and saw what Millwall did to us for the last ten minutes of that game, I'd be heading in that direction, not targeting a perfectly good RB (with good defensive cover from the RW too).
Agree. Odoi at championship level is a decent option. Rather have him there than at CB and he can be a big unconventional. He qas signed as a RB and got 1or 2 caps for Belgium. Happy he's not like Tete in terms of attacking as Wilson doesn't track back and he hasn't got the skill set that Tete has.
Someone mentioned a young Ch****a Right Back he went on loan to Blackpool.
Re the Chalobah free tsf, just like the MLM/Seri deal with Nice was a fudge, I wouldn't be surprised with this either.
Chalobah recorded as a free, but then the option we've agreed for Quina is basically a fee for both of the,.
Any chance that we will pick up an unattached RB on a free? I assume that's still allowed outside the window? Andre Wisdom anyone?
Quote from: We Are Premier League on September 08, 2021, 08:30:50 AM
Any chance that we will pick up an unattached RB on a free? I assume that's still allowed outside the window? Andre Wisdom anyone?
Whats the sense in that
Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on September 08, 2021, 08:46:32 AM
Quote from: We Are Premier League on September 08, 2021, 08:30:50 AM
Any chance that we will pick up an unattached RB on a free? I assume that's still allowed outside the window? Andre Wisdom anyone?
Whats the sense in that
Tete's injury and the fact that Denis Odoi is the alternative unless the manager brings Christie back into contention.
Quote from: We Are Premier League on September 08, 2021, 08:30:50 AM
Any chance that we will pick up an unattached RB on a free? I assume that's still allowed outside the window? Andre Wisdom anyone?
I'd rather play no one at right back than Andre Wisdom....
Quote from: Whitestone on September 08, 2021, 08:50:33 AM
Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on September 08, 2021, 08:46:32 AM
Quote from: We Are Premier League on September 08, 2021, 08:30:50 AM
Any chance that we will pick up an unattached RB on a free? I assume that's still allowed outside the window? Andre Wisdom anyone?
Whats the sense in that
Tete's injury and the fact that Denis Odoi is the alternative unless the manager brings Christie back into contention.
Odoi is perfectly decent cover. I'm very happy with that, the grass isn't always greener you know.
Christie was on the bench for Ireland last night, so somebody still loves him.
Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on September 08, 2021, 08:46:32 AM
Quote from: We Are Premier League on September 08, 2021, 08:30:50 AM
Any chance that we will pick up an unattached RB on a free? I assume that's still allowed outside the window? Andre Wisdom anyone?
Whats the sense in that
Wasn't having a dig it was more a play on words because he wanted to sign wisdom and I said wheres the sense .Not that clever I guess if I have to explain it
Quote from: Twig on September 08, 2021, 10:30:49 AM
Quote from: Whitestone on September 08, 2021, 08:50:33 AM
Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on September 08, 2021, 08:46:32 AM
Quote from: We Are Premier League on September 08, 2021, 08:30:50 AM
Any chance that we will pick up an unattached RB on a free? I assume that's still allowed outside the window? Andre Wisdom anyone?
Whats the sense in that
Tete's injury and the fact that Denis Odoi is the alternative unless the manager brings Christie back into contention.
Odoi is perfectly decent cover. I'm very happy with that, the grass isn't always greener you know.
Quote from: Twig on September 08, 2021, 10:30:49 AM
Quote from: Whitestone on September 08, 2021, 08:50:33 AM
Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on September 08, 2021, 08:46:32 AM
Quote from: We Are Premier League on September 08, 2021, 08:30:50 AM
Any chance that we will pick up an unattached RB on a free? I assume that's still allowed outside the window? Andre Wisdom anyone?
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Odoi is perfectly decent cover. I'm very happy with that, the grass isn't always greener you know.
Quote from: Twig on September 08, 2021, 10:30:49 AM
Quote from: Whitestone on September 08, 2021, 08:50:33 AM
Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on September 08, 2021, 08:46:32 AM
Quote from: We Are Premier League on September 08, 2021, 08:30:50 AM
Any chance that we will pick up an unattached RB on a free? I assume that's still allowed outside the window? Andre Wisdom anyone?
Whats the sense in that
Tete's injury and the fact that Denis Odoi is the alternative unless the manager brings Christie back into contention.
Odoi is perfectly decent cover. I'm very happy with that, the grass isn't always greener you know.
I think the grass is greener which is why Tete was signed as an upgrade. I realise that I have to tread carefully on here when the ability of Odoi and Ream is questioned. They are both true professionals and great servants of the club. However when they are played together our defence is significantly weaker. So far the defence hasn't been properly tested but it undoubtedly will be put under pressure and thats when the weaknesses of Odoi and Ream will be severely tested. The evidence is there to see. Just take the opening three games of last season as an example. We conceded ten goals. Odoi definitely isn't decent cover IMO. He's OK, that's all, which isn't good enough. The manager clearly thinks the same which is why we tried to recruit a right back when the club realised Tete's injury was long term. I have no doubt the opposition will target our right side, just as Stoke did in the last match because that is the weakest area as I see it.
Quote from: Whitestone on September 08, 2021, 11:30:33 AM
Quote from: Twig on September 08, 2021, 10:30:49 AM
Quote from: Whitestone on September 08, 2021, 08:50:33 AM
Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on September 08, 2021, 08:46:32 AM
Quote from: We Are Premier League on September 08, 2021, 08:30:50 AM
Any chance that we will pick up an unattached RB on a free? I assume that's still allowed outside the window? Andre Wisdom anyone?
Whats the sense in that
Tete's injury and the fact that Denis Odoi is the alternative unless the manager brings Christie back into contention.
Odoi is perfectly decent cover. I'm very happy with that, the grass isn't always greener you know.
Quote from: Twig on September 08, 2021, 10:30:49 AM
Quote from: Whitestone on September 08, 2021, 08:50:33 AM
Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on September 08, 2021, 08:46:32 AM
Quote from: We Are Premier League on September 08, 2021, 08:30:50 AM
Any chance that we will pick up an unattached RB on a free? I assume that's still allowed outside the window? Andre Wisdom anyone?
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Odoi is perfectly decent cover. I'm very happy with that, the grass isn't always greener you know.
Quote from: Twig on September 08, 2021, 10:30:49 AM
Quote from: Whitestone on September 08, 2021, 08:50:33 AM
Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on September 08, 2021, 08:46:32 AM
Quote from: We Are Premier League on September 08, 2021, 08:30:50 AM
Any chance that we will pick up an unattached RB on a free? I assume that's still allowed outside the window? Andre Wisdom anyone?
Whats the sense in that
Tete's injury and the fact that Denis Odoi is the alternative unless the manager brings Christie back into contention.
Odoi is perfectly decent cover. I'm very happy with that, the grass isn't always greener you know.
I think the grass is greener which is why Tete was signed as an upgrade. I realise that I have to tread carefully on here when the ability of Odoi and Ream is questioned. They are both true professionals and great servants of the club. However when they are played together our defence is significantly weaker. So far the defence hasn't been properly tested but it undoubtedly will be put under pressure and thats when the weaknesses of Odoi and Ream will be severely tested. The evidence is there to see. Just take the opening three games of last season as an example. We conceded ten goals. Odoi definitely isn't decent cover IMO. He's OK, that's all, which isn't good enough. The manager clearly thinks the same which is why we tried to recruit a right back when the club realised Tete's injury was long term. I have no doubt the opposition will target our right side, just as Stoke did in the last match because that is the weakest area as I see it.
Agree, but I guess odoi/Christie are good enough to hold the fort until January or when Tete is back. The trade off would have been to spend serious money on a different right back that is substantially better, but would that money be better spend in January/ next summer if we go up? Also what when tete comes back we have a big(ish) money signing sitting on the bench. I think we go back in for the American fella in January to have him & tete in the prem.
Odoi will be targeted, but it's the championship we are talking about not the PL - if Odoi is your only weakness (as it stands) we will be ok (counting on the fact that we will always score 2/3 goals per game)
I think we got 'lucky' as well that tete got injured as I'm sure there would have been some last minute offers from the PL for him - I think there were a few clubs looking for a right back and not much was out there.
Turkish window closes tonight. Survive the rest of the day without a Galatasary move for Seri and we are good to go
I'd be shocked and ultimately angry if he was to go at this point.
Quote from: rusty shackleford on September 08, 2021, 05:28:30 PM
Turkish window closes tonight. Survive the rest of the day without a Galatasary move for Seri and we are good to go
We've already turned down a bid last week I believe so they've stopped trying for him